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Footer was right about Matsui
« on: May 30, 2009, 09:43:30 am »
On the DL again.  At this point he's a bust. I'd be fine with letting Maysonet/Keepinger get the bulk of the AB's this season.

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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 10:13:43 am »
Try not to think of Matsui as a lazy malingering baby, by thinking of him as a broken down softy with questionable hygienic and dietary habits.  
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 10:45:22 am »
is a nagging hammy strain really Matsui's fault? It is perplexing why he hadn't gotten going with the bat at all. Last year he was very impressive when healthy. he seemed to be swinging through a lot of 89 mph fastballs this year.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2009, 12:58:38 pm »
is a nagging hammy strain really Matsui's fault? It is perplexing why he hadn't gotten going with the bat at all. Last year he was very impressive when healthy. he seemed to be swinging through a lot of 89 mph fastballs this year.


I don't care whose fault it is. Frankly, I'm laying this one on Wade.

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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 04:47:23 pm »
Try not to think of Matsui as a lazy malingering baby, by thinking of him as a broken down softy with questionable hygienic and dietary habits.  

Wow, I feel so much better about it now!

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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 05:26:15 pm »

I don't care whose fault it is. Frankly, I'm laying this one on Wade.

I would tend to agree with you.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 09:51:22 pm »
I would tend to agree with you.


Uh oh. Somebody else agress with us. Now I'm having second thoughts. http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/05/ed_wade_gambled.html

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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 10:46:58 pm »
Maysonet can play. I don't want to whine about the team's not bringing him up sooner because there really never was room for him, but now there is. Two years late is better than never.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 10:53:56 pm »
Maysonet can play. I don't want to whine about the team's not bringing him up sooner because there really never was room for him, but now there is. Two years late is better than never.

he could not play last year. very much improved this year.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2009, 11:04:10 pm »
he could not play last year. very much improved this year.

I'm always fascinated to learn what you guys in RR see compared to what I see in FL. I thought three years ago that Maysonet could play based on the three innings per game I see over 20 games in Florida. You see much more. And more meaningful innings.

What did you see last year? Or what didn't you see? I'm more interested in his glove than his bat.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2009, 08:04:07 am »
I'm always fascinated to learn what you guys in RR see compared to what I see in FL. I thought three years ago that Maysonet could play based on the three innings per game I see over 20 games in Florida. You see much more. And more meaningful innings.

What did you see last year? Or what didn't you see? I'm more interested in his glove than his bat.

his glove was ok. his bat was not. he was an average player who i NEVER thought would be in Houston. he was much, much better in RR this year, and i knew he was headed to MLB.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 11:13:30 am »
his glove was ok. his bat was not. he was an average player who i NEVER thought would be in Houston. he was much, much better in RR this year, and i knew he was headed to MLB.

Cool. I've always liked him and I really think he can help the team this year.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 01:31:37 pm »
Cool. I've always liked him and I really think he can help the team this year.
Would you consider him a potential starting SS? Or more valuable as the main utility IF/ stop-gap starter?
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 01:37:13 pm »
his glove was ok. his bat was not. he was an average player who i NEVER thought would be in Houston. he was much, much better in RR this year, and i knew he was headed to MLB.

Last year I was alerted by our mutual friend to keep an eye on Maysonet.  There were signs that he was starting to get it in terms of hitting.  Much of what Pence is learning now (go the other way, turn on an inside pitch, look for your pitch, don't expand your zone) had to be what Edwin learned last year.  Signs that he was starting to get it was raising some eyebrows last year.

That means that before that, no one believed he was anything better than a late inning defensive replacement player in the making.  Had he shown more signs of being ready, it could have skewed the opinion about signing Matsui.  BTW - the Astros had three second basemen in mind when they went free agent hunting: Luis Castillo, Kaz Matsui and Iwagawa.  Castillo played around with the idea of seriously considering the Astros and other offers, but ultimately settled on going back to the Mets.  After that, the shopping list was pretty much Matsui, who took their offer.

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 01:51:14 pm »
Would you consider him a potential starting SS? Or more valuable as the main utility IF/ stop-gap starter?

Definitely the latter, but I'm open to the idea of the former. I'd have to watch him play short more to know whether he could play there every day or not. As I said in the spring I get to see him for little more than a couple of innings a game.
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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 02:05:46 pm »
his glove was ok. his bat was not. he was an average player who i NEVER thought would be in Houston. he was much, much better in RR this year, and i knew he was headed to MLB.

I saw Edwin a few times when he was at CC and came up here to play Frisco. He never distinguished himself. I never felt he would get a cup of coffee in he MLs then.

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 02:39:55 pm »
I saw Edwin a few times when he was at CC and came up here to play Frisco. He never distinguished himself. I never felt he would get a cup of coffee in he MLs then.

Neither did Eric Bruntlett.  In fact, during the time Bruntlett was in the minors and playing shortstop, he looked everything but a major league player.  He looked he was going to be a career minor leaguer.  Keith Ginter looked more of a lock to be a MLer, but most of that was based on his hitting (not fielding).  Maysonet has the reputation as a good glove man but never as anything worth writing home about in terms of hitting.

He turned the corner last year by working hard with Jackson in Round Rock and it's paid off.  BTW - it looked as if Jackson was working his magic on Yordanny Ramirez this year, however he's fallen off seriously lately.  Ramirez is also a big hotdog and that did not sit well with some folks.

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Re: Footer was right about Matsui
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 04:45:02 pm »
maysonet was a different player this year. good for him.
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