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Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« on: March 29, 2009, 11:54:29 am »
No real surprises here. Newhan took a shot at Cooper with a comment. Footer's blog comment on this quotes Cooper as saying that there's a difference between someone playing shortstop and someone standing over there. She gave that an ouch. Cooper is sounding more and more like a jerk.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090329&content_id=4083918&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2009, 12:17:41 pm »
No real surprises here. Newhan took a shot at Cooper with a comment. Footer's blog comment on this quotes Cooper as saying that there's a difference between someone playing shortstop and someone standing over there. She gave that an ouch. Cooper is sounding more and more like a jerk.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090329&content_id=4083918&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

Made me wonder if this isn't the type of treatment that alienates an entire roster.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2009, 01:08:28 pm »
"We said that in the winter time and talked about it when we got down here," he said. "We expressed we needed a shortstop. Maysonet and Smith play short and the history of Newhan is he's never been a shortstop, never really played shortstop.”

"The guy did a great job for us last year. He's a good pinch-hitter and great teammate, but he didn't fit this spring.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6348531.html

Was Newhan in on this plan when he signed the contract?  He's 35 and looking for a job, why would he sign the contract if he knew they only wanted him at 2nd? 

Newhan originally thought he would get a look at shortstop, until he read an article on MLB.com that quoted Cooper saying Newhan was seventh in the pecking order of potential shortstops. Cooper also indicated in that article that Newhan likely would not see playing time at short this spring.

"That's kind of the way they communicated that," Newhan said.

He seems surprised.  Why.  Is Blum now the other option at 2nd?  If Cooper is planning to rest Matsui, it's not an irrelevant consideration.   Does Maysonet play 2nd?  Who's the backup at 3rd?  Cooper was talking up Johnson, saying he's going to give him every opportunity and if he makes the team it'll be with the intention he'll play every day.   Where does that leave Blum and does this make a trade for a 3b seem more realistic?


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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2009, 01:20:13 pm »
No real surprises here. Newhan took a shot at Cooper with a comment. Footer's blog comment on this quotes Cooper as saying that there's a difference between someone playing shortstop and someone standing over there. She gave that an ouch. Cooper is sounding more and more like a jerk.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090329&content_id=4083918&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou


Also mentioned on Footer's blog something of serious concern:

Lance Berkman assured us he'd be ready to play Opening Day, but after hear him describing the pain in his left shoulder, I'm not encouraged.

Berkman wanted us to know that he was not in any way faking this injury in order to get out of playing the remainder of the exhibition schedule [which, incidentally, we have collectively decided is never, ever going to end], and that the pain he is feeling is real.

"It's not a pending surgery," he began. "But let me say this -- it's more painful and worse than I initially thought."

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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2009, 01:28:49 pm »
"We said that in the winter time and talked about it when we got down here," he said. "We expressed we needed a shortstop. Maysonet and Smith play short and the history of Newhan is he's never been a shortstop, never really played shortstop.”

"The guy did a great job for us last year. He's a good pinch-hitter and great teammate, but he didn't fit this spring.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6348531.html

Was Newhan in on this plan when he signed the contract?  He's 35 and looking for a job, why would he sign the contract if he knew they only wanted him at 2nd? 

Newhan originally thought he would get a look at shortstop, until he read an article on MLB.com that quoted Cooper saying Newhan was seventh in the pecking order of potential shortstops. Cooper also indicated in that article that Newhan likely would not see playing time at short this spring.

"That's kind of the way they communicated that," Newhan said.

He seems surprised.  Why.  Is Blum now the other option at 2nd?  If Cooper is planning to rest Matsui, it's not an irrelevant consideration.   Does Maysonet play 2nd?  Who's the backup at 3rd?  Cooper was talking up Johnson, saying he's going to give him every opportunity and if he makes the team it'll be with the intention he'll play every day.   Where does that leave Blum and does this make a trade for a 3b seem more realistic?



Seems that either (a) the Astros brought him in under false pretenses, (b) this was Newhan's only chance to play baseball this year or (c) there's another misunderstanding between Wade and Cooper.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2009, 01:30:31 pm »
McTaggart has Wade contradicting Cooper about the necessity of carrying a shortstop, and attempts to show Coop as considering Johnson as a starter if he makes the club.
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Cooper said Saturday if Johnson (.233 spring average) makes the club it will be as the starting third baseman.

“If he’s with us, he’s not going to sit on the bench, that’s for sure,” Cooper said. “I don’t think that’s what you do with a young kid.”

Blum is better suited as a backup because he can play third, second and shortstop. If the Astros don’t think Johnson is ready, they might be forced to make a move to find another third baseman.

David Newhan remains in the mix at third or the backup infield spot, but he isn’t a shortstop.

“There’s lot of different ways to go,” Wade said. “We don’t have to carry a pure shortstop because (Class AAA) Round Rock is only a couple of hours away, and if somebody goes down, other than (Miguel Tejada) getting a day off and putting Blum over there — we can grab somebody. We have some decisions to make.”

Doesn't look like Blum as a starter, which probably means they're going to continue to look for someone else and give Johnson some regular time in Round Rock. Unless they decide they can't find a better option. Why not Tejada / Blum at 3B, and Tejada / Maysonet / Smith at SS?
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2009, 02:05:45 pm »
Seems that either (a) the Astros brought him in under false pretenses, (b) this was Newhan's only chance to play baseball this year or (c) there's another misunderstanding between Wade and Cooper.

I think that (c) is increasingly the general situation.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2009, 04:59:15 pm »
A couple of items:

1. The Astros are interested in Jeff Baker, but Colorado wants a young starter in return.  That probably means Bud Norris but really that the Red Sox and Phillies are in on Baker, looks like the Astros will get outbid.  One thing to remember about Ed Wade, he overpays many times, so not only would he give up Norris (if that is the target) but also another player to get back Baker.

2. There is word Jeff Kippinger is available and Houston is interested.  The guy is a butcher at short, but decent enough at 2nd and 3rd.  No word how interested Houston is at getting in on Kippinger, but the Red Sox are calling the Reds so Houston might just give a ring as well.

So any of these sort of trades materialize or if Chris Johnson makes the club means Geoff Blum goes back to looking for work backing up more than one position.  Means most of what Newhan was going to bring to the club will be Blums job if they land a third baseman and/or give the job to Chris Johnson.

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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2009, 05:24:36 pm »
as of Friday, the Phillies thought the price for Baker would be too high for them.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2009, 05:27:51 pm »
A couple of items:

1. The Astros are interested in Jeff Baker, but Colorado wants a young starter in return.  That probably means Bud Norris but really that the Red Sox and Phillies are in on Baker, looks like the Astros will get outbid.  One thing to remember about Ed Wade, he overpays many times, so not only would he give up Norris (if that is the target) but also another player to get back Baker.

2. There is word Jeff Kippinger is available and Houston is interested.  The guy is a butcher at short, but decent enough at 2nd and 3rd.  No word how interested Houston is at getting in on Kippinger, but the Red Sox are calling the Reds so Houston might just give a ring as well.

So any of these sort of trades materialize or if Chris Johnson makes the club means Geoff Blum goes back to looking for work backing up more than one position.  Means most of what Newhan was going to bring to the club will be Blums job if they land a third baseman and/or give the job to Chris Johnson.
So, you're predicting Norris+Jason Castro for Baker, then?

Looking at the Red Sox roster, it's hard to think they're that serious about Baker or Keppinger because the only way they could fit/use either one is if they somehow traded Julio Lugo, who's owed about $18 or 20 mil for 2009-10 I believe. Their other backup spots are already occupied. Unless they did something really crazy like trade their young SS Lowrie for a young catcher, which, hey, jalapeno, right? So I would imagine Wade is probably waiting out the Rocks and Reds right now, knowing that he can use Chris Johnson as leverage against any perceived desperation to get a 3B.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2009, 05:46:48 pm »
So, you're predicting Norris+Jason Castro for Baker, then?

Looking at the Red Sox roster, it's hard to think they're that serious about Baker or Keppinger because the only way they could fit/use either one is if they somehow traded Julio Lugo, who's owed about $18 or 20 mil for 2009-10 I believe. Their other backup spots are already occupied. Unless they did something really crazy like trade their young SS Lowrie for a young catcher, which, hey, jalapeno, right? So I would imagine Wade is probably waiting out the Rocks and Reds right now, knowing that he can use Chris Johnson as leverage against any perceived desperation to get a 3B.

Based upon a small sample size, if we don't do something, we're going to seriously underperform at the plate and in the field at the hot corner.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2009, 05:49:06 pm »
Based upon a small sample size, if we don't do something, we're going to seriously underperform at the plate and in the field at the hot corner.

If you're gonna go all small sample size, take a look at Baker's home/road splits.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2009, 06:09:25 pm »
If you're gonna go all small sample size, take a look at Baker's home/road splits.
...which, for the Astros' purposes, probably aren't as important as his LHP/RHP splits (.287/.353/.569 vs. lefties... small sample size, of course).
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2009, 06:29:13 pm »
...which, for the Astros' purposes, probably aren't as important as his LHP/RHP splits (.287/.353/.569 vs. lefties... small sample size, of course).

Now if there were only some way to see his home/road LHP/RHP splits...then we'd really have some non-information to consider.
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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2009, 08:44:54 pm »
Seems that either (a) the Astros brought him in under false pretenses, (b) this was Newhan's only chance to play baseball this year or (c) there's another misunderstanding between Wade and Cooper.

I think they just throw some guys into the mix and see what shakes out.  Fine for kids but a guy on the edge at the end of his career deserves some focus.  They may not be capable of that.

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Re: Newhan released; Paronto reassigned to minor league camp
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2009, 05:25:19 pm »
Was Newhan in on this plan when he signed the contract?  He's 35 and looking for a job, why would he sign the contract if he knew they only wanted him at 2nd? 

Newhan originally thought he would get a look at shortstop, until he read an article on MLB.com that quoted Cooper saying Newhan was seventh in the pecking order of potential shortstops. Cooper also indicated in that article that Newhan likely would not see playing time at short this spring.

"That's kind of the way they communicated that," Newhan said.

WFW.  The .182 SLG might have had something to do with it too.
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