Gold Glove?

[pravata]

McTaggart gets Pence to talk about his chances,

“It’s something I like to focus on and take some pride in,” Pence said of his defense. “The award would be an honor. I don’t go out there like I deserve a Gold Glove or this and that. I try to go out there and play the game the right way and help my team win.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/5984496.html

[Limey]

Focus?

[Mr. Happy]

McTaggart gets Pence to talk about his chances,

“It’s something I like to focus on and take some pride in,” Pence said of his defense. “The award would be an honor. I don’t go out there like I deserve a Gold Glove or this and that. I try to go out there and play the game the right way and help my team win.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/5984496.html

Pence still has a lot to learn.

[Amy]

I thought this thread was going to be about Twinkie.  The Comical strikes again.

[Ty in Tampa]

"I try to go out there and play the game the right way and help my team win.”

The Biggio Influence.

[pravata]

I thought this thread was going to be about Twinkie.  The Comical strikes again.

McTaggart knows better than to ask Berkman a fool question like that.

[Duman]

The something he likes to focus on is the defense not the gold glove.  That is how I read the article in full context.  The numbers spouted are good no errors and 15 outfield assist (Tied for most in Majors).

[pravata]

The something he likes to focus on is the defense not the gold glove.  That is how I read the article in full context.  The numbers spouted are good no errors and 15 outfield assist (Tied for most in Majors).

I was highligting McTaggart asking the question.

[Jacksonian]

15 outfield assist (Tied for most in Majors).

I'm not so sure this should be seen in a good light.  The book on Pence appears to be to run as often as possible.  He's got lots of assists because teams are giving him lots of opportunities.

[mihoba]

The something he likes to focus on is the defense not the gold glove.  That is how I read the article in full context.  The numbers spouted are good no errors and 15 outfield assist (Tied for most in Majors).

Soriano had 19 outfield assists last year, just saying.

For McTaggert to dream that up and then actually ask Spaz that question is beyond idiotic. Coaches vote on GG's and I hope they aren't that shallow. To see him misplay so many hit in his direction, it's a real head scratcher. Does McTaggert even watch?

I know Limey, Palmeiro...

[Fredia]

almost like asking a child if he wants a new bike for christmas

[Limey]

I'm not so sure this should be seen in a good light.  The book on Pence appears to be to run as often as possible.  He's got lots of assists because teams are giving him lots of opportunities.

Exactly the same as Biggio when he was in CF.  IIRC, he lead the league in assists through the ASB, and had zero errors (because an outfielder has to touch the ball to record an error, so chances misread or misplayed get scored as hits).  Pence typically catches what he gets to, but he's more Derek Bell than Roberto Clemente.

[Amy]

Soriano had 19 outfield assists last year, just saying.

For McTaggert to dream that up and then actually ask Spaz that question is beyond idiotic. Coaches vote on GG's and I hope they aren't that shallow. To see him misplay so many hit in his direction, it's a real head scratcher. Does McTaggert even watch?

I know Limey, Palmeiro...

Jeter...

[ValpoCory]

because an outfielder has to touch the ball to record an error

 

Much like infielders, outfielders also get charged with errors on balls that go between their legs.

[pravata]

 

Outfielders also get charged with errors on balls that go between their legs or on errant throws back in.

Depends on how errant, 10 feet up the 3b line and usually it's not charged.  They also don't record errors for running in, igoring the cf calling, and causing the ball to drop.

[Mr. Happy]

Depends on how errant, 10 feet up the 3b line and usually it's not charged.  They also don't record errors for running in, igoring the cf calling, and causing the ball to drop.

Don't know if the official scorers incorporate a player's skill level in the "ordinary effort" standard.

[HudsonHawk]

Depends on how errant, 10 feet up the 3b line and usually it's not charged.  They also don't record errors for running in, igoring the cf calling, and causing the ball to drop.

Sure they do.  A ball that should be caught and isn't gets charged as an error to someone.  Furthermore, outfielders almost always get charged the error when a throw gets away from an infielder. 

[Duman]

I'm not so sure this should be seen in a good light.  The book on Pence appears to be to run as often as possible.  He's got lots of assists because teams are giving him lots of opportunities.

This was also my first thought but then I went back an looked at league leaders for outfield assist and saw that Clemente lead the league in outfield assist for 5 years of his career.  Maybe managers/third base coaches were dumber then.

[pravata]

Sure they do.  A ball that should be caught and isn't gets charged as an error to someone.  Furthermore, outfielders almost always get charged the error when a throw gets away from an infielder. 

Pence didn't get charged with an error when he ran in and spooked Bourn off a game changing pop up earlier in the season.  Many of his throws to home drift way up the 3b line.  Not sure if they had a play on any of them but's it why they test him. 

[ValpoCory]

Pence didn't get charged with an error when he ran in and spooked Bourn off a game changing pop up earlier in the season.  Many of his throws to home drift way up the 3b line.  Not sure if they had a play on any of them but's it why they test him. 

That was this game (Top of the 7th, error charged to Bourn).  That also was the game Ed Romero held pinch-runner Reggie Abercrombie at 3rd base in the 8th when Joe Mather threw into 2nd base conceding the tying run.

[HudsonHawk]

Pence didn't get charged with an error when he ran in and spooked Bourn off a game changing pop up earlier in the season.  Many of his throws to home drift way up the 3b line.  Not sure if they had a play on any of them but's it why they test him. 

Don't know about that specific play, but if the should be caught and isn't, someone gets an error.  As for throwing errors, they only score those when a runner advances past the base they're attempting to obtain.  So unless the batter advances on the throw to home, there will not be an error charged on the throw, even if it is offline.

[strosrays]

This was also my first thought but then I went back an looked at league leaders for outfield assist and saw that Clemente lead the league in outfield assist for 5 years of his career.  Maybe managers/third base coaches were dumber then.

They had a hard time getting their minds around the idea of a guy who could regularly gun down runners at 3B from the RF corner.

[Mr. Happy]

They had a hard time getting their minds around the idea of a guy who could regularly gun down runners at 3B from the RF corner.

Clemente was amazing to watch. He could run down balls others couldn't dream of and then throwing accurately.

[Mr. Happy]

The last time I saw Clemente play in person was on July 6, 1972 in the Dome, which was to be his last season (although we didn't know it at the time). It was a 17 inning affair that the Astros blew 7-3. Clemente scored two runs and had a pair of hits in eight trips to the plate. I'm proud to say that I stayed for the entire game, even after we fell apart in the top of the 17th. My mother made it to the 13th inning, and that was the last Astros game that she attended or ever will attend--she remembers that long game like it was yesterday.