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Cooper backs down to Roy?
« on: April 01, 2008, 03:59:11 pm »
After announcing during ST that the catchers would catch every pitcher, i.e., no pitcher/catcher matchups, Cooper says now that Ausmus will catch Ozwalt "for the time being."

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080331&content_id=2475747&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
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Re: Cooper backs down to Roy?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 04:22:04 pm »
I didn't follow the reporting in spring training or leading up to opening day.  Are there any relevant quotes from Roy leading up to opening day.  In other words, is there some evidence that Roy doesn't care who catches him; cares very little and this is simply a preference; or is demanding Ausmus?

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 04:36:01 pm »
Is Oswalt still pitching to contact?  If so, Ausmus is more apt to provide him with assistance towards that than Towles would be at this stage in his career.

I watched but it was hard to tell, and while 6 Ks in 5.1 looks like he wasn't, but the 11 hits and his approach to several of the batters looked like he was.

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 04:39:31 pm »
wonder if he just feels more comfortable with ausmus or does not want to fool with the rookie
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2008, 04:44:02 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 04:44:12 pm »
I said it in GZ last night, I'll say it again:  I disagree strongly with this move.

Two reasons:
(a) Roy needs to get used to Towles - the sooner, the better;
(b) Ausmus' occasional start is much better used keeping Wandy focused.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 04:49:20 pm »
Or Backe...

Where does the club draw the line?  It's clear Ausmus is the better receiver, and the team has pitching issues.  If every pitcher's foibles are placated to via Ausmus, Towles will never get any innings.

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 04:52:28 pm »
AGAIN, the Astros probably don't think Towles is at 100%.  Why the fuss?

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 04:52:37 pm »
Is Oswalt still pitching to contact?  If so, Ausmus is more apt to provide him with assistance towards that than Towles would be at this stage in his career.

I watched but it was hard to tell, and while 6 Ks in 5.1 looks like he wasn't, but the 11 hits and his approach to several of the batters looked like he was.

He said he didn't have a feel for his breaking stuff at any time last night.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 04:53:44 pm »
Is Oswalt still pitching to contact?  If so, Ausmus is more apt to provide him with assistance towards that than Towles would be at this stage in his career.

I watched but it was hard to tell, and while 6 Ks in 5.1 looks like he wasn't, but the 11 hits and his approach to several of the batters looked like he was.

Footer quotes him saying he wanted to keep the pitch count down but had nothing but the fastball so he couldnt fool anybody.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 04:54:02 pm »
Against the Tigers in the 10-0 blowout Roy went on camera stating his case for Ausmus.

felt "like a bat he was comfortable with"...just a comfort issue...said Ausmus framed pitches the way he liked it.

Only media I have seen on subject.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 04:56:12 pm »
AGAIN, the Astros probably don't think Towles is at 100%.  Why the fuss?

Then why not say "we're saving JR until he's 100%" instead of "Brad is Roy's catcher for the time being"?  They're very different statements.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 04:58:26 pm »
Then why not say "we're saving JR until he's 100%" instead of "Brad is Roy's catcher for the time being"?  They're very different statements.

Ya'll can spin in circles about this if you want.  But, a month ago,

"I'm not going to let it be an issue, we're going to try and work through it. You have to go slow with those kind of things," Cooper said."

 

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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2008, 05:02:03 pm »
Ya'll can spin in circles about this if you want.  But, a month ago,

"I'm not going to let it be an issue, we're going to try and work through it. You have to go slow with those kind of things," Cooper said."

 

Already seen him back down on the batting order a few times...Oswalt just told him how it was going to be...Just like "The Pony"

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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2008, 05:17:07 pm »
Already seen him back down on the batting order a few times...Oswalt just told him how it was going to be...Just like "The Pony"

veteran coming in and demanding what he wants?





Cooper losing the team already? 

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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2008, 05:18:08 pm »
Cooper losing the team already? 

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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2008, 05:21:58 pm »
Losing? Try lost. Just like the season. Pack it up boys, this one's over.

Sure, you can mock.  But Ausmus catching Oswalt?  Lee hitting 4th?  What next? Berkman demands to take bp with the first group? Pandemonium.

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2008, 05:37:28 pm »
Are there any relevant quotes from Roy leading up to opening day.  In other words, is there some evidence that Roy doesn't care who catches him; cares very little and this is simply a preference; or is demanding Ausmus?

I swear I read an article in the chron or on astros.com where Roy was saying how much he preferred Ausmus.  Said it took him awhile to get used to Chavez, and he didn't want to go through that again.  Or something to that effect.  I'll see if I can find it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2008, 05:54:27 pm »
I swear I read an article in the chron or on astros.com where Roy was saying how much he preferred Ausmus.  Said it took him awhile to get used to Chavez, and he didn't want to go through that again.  Or something to that effect.  I'll see if I can find it.

Last night, JD talked about this for a little while.  BTW - I don't care what anyone else says in terms of competent color commentators... JD has the best insight in terms of the Houston Astros and baseball combined you'll find anywhere.  He's clever, concise, very knowledgeable and pinpoint accurate with what he's telling you without being overbearing or pompous or arrogant in tone and presentation.  Any way, JD said that Cooper had said in ST that he wasn't going to advocate pitchers having a specific catcher or batterymate and that included Roy and Brad.  But... he went to add right after that "but when all is said and done, I'm sure Roy will have some input on that item".  Then he and Brownie talked about Peavey and Bard.  Michael Barrett is Bard's backup and when you look at numbers, Barrett has some nice stats batting against Roy.  So why not use Barrett last night?  Because in JD's view, Bard and Peavey have a nice battery tandem going on and Bud Black didn't even think about breaking that duo up no matter what numbers Barrett might have.

I know Towles is hurt and such, but he did come in last night and did a credible job the last three innings.  I think Ausmus is Roy's caddie for the season though and that is the way Roy would like for Cooper to keep it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2008, 05:56:01 pm »
Sure, you can mock.  But Ausmus catching Oswalt?  Lee hitting 4th?  What next? Berkman demands to take bp with the first group? Pandemonium.

He shouldn't fiddle with the batting order during spring training but instead maintain a slavish devotion to his thoughts expressed in the middle of the winter? How is being flexible and re-evaluating being a weak leader or "backing down" or "losing the team"?
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2008, 06:01:58 pm »
He shouldn't fiddle with the batting order during spring training but instead maintain a slavish devotion to his thoughts expressed in the middle of the winter? How is being flexible and re-evaluating being a weak leader or "backing down" or "losing the team"?

I'm guessing sarcasm.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2008, 06:20:58 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2008, 06:36:14 pm »
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2008, 07:06:14 pm »
Losing? Try lost. Just like the season. Pack it up boys, this one's over.


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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2008, 07:39:42 pm »
Already seen him back down on the batting order a few times...Oswalt just told him how it was going to be...Just like "The Pony"

veteran coming in and demanding what he wants?

Not sure that's a fair characterization of the Lee day off earlier.  Lee, Ausmus get day away from camp

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Cooper offered Lee Friday off earlier in the week, but Lee wanted to wait before he made a definitive decision. By the end of the day Thursday, he decided to take his manager's offer. (emphasis mine)
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2008, 08:57:45 pm »
I swear I read an article in the chron or on astros.com where Roy was saying how much he preferred Ausmus.  Said it took him awhile to get used to Chavez, and he didn't want to go through that again.  Or something to that effect.  I'll see if I can find it.

You read it here:

http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=105281.msg185355#msg185355
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2008, 12:12:48 am »
Not sure that's a fair characterization of the Lee day off earlier.  Lee, Ausmus get day away from camp


Hmmmhh,,

didn't see this..but one of the "major" sportswriters in a "national" publication  ( SI or ESPN or somethin')  intimated that Carlos was pissy about the five ..

that..combined w the fact he had gone like o'fer in several at bats...( something stupid like a 4ab stretch)

led him to push Cecil's chronometer...and make a play...left a note expressing his displeasure...


I'm sure the powers that be here at OWA/ BFT/ STST something         ...can clear all that up.

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2008, 12:22:02 am »
Hmmmhh,,

didn't see this..but one of the "major" sportswriters in a "national" publication  ( SI or ESPN or somethin')  intimated that Carlos was pissy about the five ..

that..combined w the fact he had gone like o'fer in several at bats...( something stupid like a 4ab stretch)

led him to push Cecil's chronometer...and make a play...left a note expressing his displeasure...


I'm sure the powers that be here at OWA/ BFT/ STST something         ...can clear all that up.

I want some birthday cake too. I was told I could have some.

First off, I agree that going 0 for 4 is just "stupid" - what a "pony"... I saw another "publication" that "reported" that "Cecil's chronometer" was "at about a five"
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2008, 12:27:15 am »
First off, I agree that going 0 for 4 is just "stupid" - what a "pony"... I saw another "publication" that "reported" that "Cecil's chronometer" was "at about a five"


Not sure what that means...

but go brother!

he's probably at "about a four" now.
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