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Sheets on the DL
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:35:35 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2938710

If he's actually going to be out more than 15 days, article says no, the Brewers will have to shop for a starter.

Jennings value goes up?
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 16, 2007, 04:35:35 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2938710

If he's actually going to be out more than 15 days, article says no, the Brewers will have to shop for a starter.

Jennings value goes up?

No way Purp trades within the division.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 04:52:28 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
No way Purp trades within the division.

Not saying that.  But, the more teams looking for a starter...
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 04:59:19 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 16, 2007, 04:52:28 pm
Not saying that.  But, the more teams looking for a starter...

Indirectly, I agree with you. The Phillies may be looking too. Do they have anything to give?
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 05:00:12 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
No way Purp trades within the division.

I don't understand why this is treated as such an inviolable rule. The usual argument is that you're making your life harder in the future, but it seems like if you give a competitor an older guy and take back a younger one (assume for the purposes of this argument that a 1-for-1 trade makes sense here), just the opposite might be true: your competitor's new player will likely have fewer remaining years than the guy you just picked up.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 05:15:24 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:59:19 pm
Indirectly, I agree with you. The Phillies may be looking too. Do they have anything to give?

Why?  Trading Jennings basically says you've packed it in for this season anyhow...not to mention Jennings is a FAgent at season's end.  I say, "Trade him to the team that offers you the best deal - inter-divison bullshit be damned."
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2007, 05:20:52 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
No way Purp trades within the division.

Jennings is a free agent after the end of the season.  If the Astros management has given up chasing the Brewers (as the players appear to have done), then there's no harm in giving them a rental and raping them in return.  They'd still have the same chance of signing Jennings for 2008 as they do now.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2007, 05:27:31 pm »
Quote from: Limey on July 16, 2007, 05:20:52 pm
Jennings is a free agent after the end of the season.  If the Astros management has given up chasing the Brewers (as the players appear to have done), then there's no harm in giving them a rental and raping them in return.  They'd still have the same chance of signing Jennings for 2008 as they do now.

I wouldn't have a problem with what you propose. I was only offering one of the normal rules of trading. One of the times the Astros broke that rule was when they gave the Big Red Machine its sparkplug.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2007, 05:35:39 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
No way Purp trades within the division.

The Brewers have a kid named Yovani Gallardo and I doubt they'll panic to get a starter.  Just my hunch.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2007, 05:44:15 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 05:27:31 pm
I wouldn't have a problem with what you propose. I was only offering one of the normal rules of trading. One of the times the Astros broke that rule was when they gave the Big Red Machine its sparkplug.

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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 05:55:19 pm »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 16, 2007, 05:35:39 pm
The Brewers have a kid named Yovani Gallardo and I doubt they'll panic to get a starter.  Just my hunch.

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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 06:01:41 pm »
Quote from: Limey on July 16, 2007, 05:44:15 pm
"Did I say sparkplug?  I meant buttplug."
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 07:45:51 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:51:52 pm
No way Purp trades within the division.

If they're trading Jennings, they're not really aiming at the division crown anyway, so who cares whether they pry some prospects loose from Milwaukee in exchange for Jennings? Jennings is a free agent after the season, so it's not like they're sending him to Milwaukee for seasons to come.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2007, 07:47:34 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 05:27:31 pm
I wouldn't have a problem with what you propose. I was only offering one of the normal rules of trading. One of the times the Astros broke that rule was when they gave the Big Red Machine its sparkplug.

I don't really think the big issue with trading Morgan was that it was to somebody in the then-three-year-old division. I think they would rue that trade just about as much if they had traded him to Japan.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2007, 07:58:39 pm »
I think only gets traded if it is a great deal.  Especially since I thought the Astros wanted to try and sign him.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2007, 08:31:09 pm »
Remember that they need to get more than the equivalent of a first-rounder and a sandwich pick to make any deal worthwhile.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2007, 08:34:08 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 16, 2007, 08:31:09 pm
Remember that they need to get more than the equivalent of a first-rounder and a sandwich pick to make any deal worthwhile.

Will Jennings really be a type A (or whatever the classification is called)?  But thanks for the reminder: I had forgotten about draft compensation if he leaves.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 08:37:34 pm »
Quote from: austro on July 16, 2007, 08:34:08 pm
Will Jennings really be a type A (or whatever the classification is called)?  But thanks for the reminder: I had forgotten about draft compensation if he leaves.

Jason friggin Marquis was type A.  Jennings surely will be.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2007, 08:58:59 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 16, 2007, 08:37:34 pm
Jason friggin Marquis was type A.  Jennings surely will be.

Jason "3/21" Marquis also happens to be Jennings's number 2 comparable player through age 27, according to Baseball Reference. Carp is number 3.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2007, 09:33:25 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 16, 2007, 08:31:09 pm
Remember that they need to get more than the equivalent of a first-rounder and a sandwich pick to make any deal worthwhile.

Actually...IIRC, this past offseason was the last time compensation will be handed out for FAgents under the current rules.  Walking softly here, but think that's right.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2007, 08:40:13 am »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 16, 2007, 04:59:19 pm
Indirectly, I agree with you. The Phillies may be looking too. Do they have anything to give?

Theoretically they have an extra starting-caliber outfielder, having Burrell, Rowand, Victorino and Bourn. They're as dry at 3B as the 'Stros are, and their farm is weak, with more pitching that isn't ready for the majors than anything else.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2007, 09:05:59 am »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 16, 2007, 08:31:09 pm
Remember that they need to get more than the equivalent of a first-rounder and a sandwich pick to make any deal worthwhile.

That's best case.

If the Astros don't offer him arb, as they didn't with Huff last year, they'll get nada.

If the Astros do offer arb and he signs with another team, any other free agents that sign with that team could affect the compenstion the Astros get.  This is why the Padres got the Astros 2nd round pick rather than 1st in the recent draft.  The Astros got Lee and Woody.  Because Lee was the higher rated the Rangers got the Astros first round pick and the Pads got the Astros second round pick.  Both teams did get supplemental first rounders as well.  And, to make it messier, if the team signing Jennings is one of the worst 15 then draft pick compensation STARTS in the 2nd round though the Astros would still get a supp 1st rounder as well.
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Re: Sheets on the DL
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2007, 09:06:52 am »
Quote from: jaklewein on July 16, 2007, 09:33:25 pm
Actually...IIRC, this past offseason was the last time compensation will be handed out for FAgents under the current rules.  Walking softly here, but think that's right.

That was a rumor last summer.  Not true.  Compensation changed but was not eliminated.
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