A pitcher or a player as the manager?

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Sluggo on the Padres hiring  Harry  Ralston "Bud", or "Buddy"  Black, a pitching coach to manage the Padres,

?One of the things that will be a challenge for Bud,? said Larry Dierker, the former pitcher who managed the Houston Astros from 1997 to 2001, ?is to try to get the hitters to believe that he knows what he's doing as far as putting some lineups down and putting some plays on that score runs." (a problem that Dierker never solved)

?Yet I also think that pitching is the most important element of any team. When you're on a team with a manager who has played a position, he'll tell you things that are fairly stupid that tell you he's never been on the mound before.?
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[Limey]

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?One of the things that will be a challenge for Bud,? said Larry Dierker, the former pitcher who managed the Houston Astros from 1997 to 2001, ?is to try to get the hitters to believe that he knows what he's doing as far as putting some lineups down and putting some plays on that score runs." (a problem that Dierker never solved)

See Truby, Chris.

One could also argue that Dierker wasn't the best at managing his pen once the Starter-to-Dotel-to-Wagner ploy got busted.

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Sluggo on the Padres hiring  Harry  Ralston "Bud", or "Buddy"  Black, a pitching coach to manage the Padres,

?One of the things that will be a challenge for Bud,? said Larry Dierker, the former pitcher who managed the Houston Astros from 1997 to 2001, ?is to try to get the hitters to believe that he knows what he's doing as far as putting some lineups down and putting some plays on that score runs." (a problem that Dierker never solved)

?Yet I also think that pitching is the most important element of any team. When you're on a team with a manager who has played a position, he'll tell you things that are fairly stupid that tell you he's never been on the mound before.?
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So I guess a catcher would be the optimum choice?  He would presumably know a good deal about both.

If one were to try and study this (and I don't care about it nearly enough to try myself), instead of looking at how many ex-players screwed up their pitching staffs, or ex-pitchers who couldn't put together an offense, I'd like to see evidence of an ex-hitter actually helping his offense, or an ex-pitcher improving the pitching.  I'll bet it is a lot less frequent than one might think.

Some of the best managers weren't worth a fuck, either playing a position or pitching.  I think this is mostly just Dierker jacking off his frontal lobes.