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Sweet Willy T
« on: September 06, 2006, 11:17:18 pm »
Huff muffs a liner, Lidge can't find the plate, Rollins groves a double in the gap and Willy T guns his ass at 2nd.  Next thing you know Brad is throwing aspirins up there and we're out of it.  Sweet.  

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Re: Sweet Willy T
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2006, 11:19:41 pm »
Wow - what a throw
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2006, 11:39:41 pm »
did out may have saved the game
smile on willy ts face pricelss
i i love watching a player out there that is having fun
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Re: Sweet Willy T
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2006, 11:49:09 pm »
My imagination is running wild over what the Phillie fans were yelling at Willy after that throw.  I saw him talking to someone up in the stands, but considering he was smiling and laughing it probably wasn't anything too bad.  Probably something beginning with "Ya mutha..." or "Ya lucky bum...".
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 12:11:15 am »
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My imagination is running wild over what the Phillie fans were yelling at Willy after that throw.  I saw him talking to someone up in the stands, but considering he was smiling and laughing it probably wasn't anything too bad.  Probably something beginning with "Ya mutha..." or "Ya lucky bum...".



They should save it for Rollins. The showboater got caught this time.
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Re: Sweet Willy T
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 12:20:08 am »
Damn, Willy's got a strong and accurate arm, not to mention incredible range. Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game. Willy looks like he's part of that convo now.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2006, 10:56:31 am »
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My imagination is running wild over what the Phillie fans were yelling at Willy after that throw.  I saw him talking to someone up in the stands, but considering he was smiling and laughing it probably wasn't anything too bad.  Probably something beginning with "Ya mutha..." or "Ya lucky bum...".



They should save it for Rollins. The showboater got caught this time.



I don't think Rollins was showboating on this one; he just got beat. He was thinking triple off the bat:

 
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When the ball was hit, Rollins said, "I put my head down... and thought I could make it to third."



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Re: Sweet Willy T
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2006, 10:56:57 am »
Yep he's absolutely killing uuh...the opposition out there with his defense.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2006, 11:18:58 am »
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Yep he's absolutely killing uuh...the opposition out there with his defense.



pretty asinine comment, bro. i can think of at least a couple of games lately where he has, in fact, killed the opposition with his defense. remember the 1-0 win when clemens pitched against the brewers?
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2006, 11:43:43 am »
I wasn't being sarcastic...jerkyboy
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2006, 11:50:06 am »
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Yep he's absolutely killing uuh...the opposition out there with his defense.



pretty asinine comment, bro. i can think of at least a couple of games lately where he has, in fact, killed the opposition with his defense. remember the 1-0 win when clemens pitched against the brewers?



It was a reference to a TZ brew-ha-ha earlier in the season. I believe Spack got involved.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2006, 11:54:02 am »
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Yep he's absolutely killing uuh...the opposition out there with his defense.



pretty asinine comment, bro. i can think of at least a couple of games lately where he has, in fact, killed the opposition with his defense. remember the 1-0 win when clemens pitched against the brewers?



It was a reference to a TZ brew-ha-ha earlier in the season. I believe Spack got involved.



And I can get involved again, fuckwits.
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Re: Sweet Willy T
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2006, 12:49:11 pm »
Having had season ticket packages for the Phillies, Eagles, Sixers and Flyers in the past, I know EXACTLY what those drunk union boys were saying. They were probably more pissed off at the hitter. Philly fans love to eat their own.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2006, 01:49:54 pm »
Does anyone have a video link  of the play?  I was working last night, missed the game, and cannot find anything on astros.com or mlb.com.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2006, 03:01:10 pm »
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Does anyone have a video link  of the play?  I was working last night, missed the game, and cannot find anything on astros.com or mlb.com.



The funny thing is, you didn't recognize it as the play was happening.  I, like probably everyone else besides Taveras, just assumed it would be a double.  Then as Rollins is sliding into 2B, I'm thinking "holy shit, they got a shot at him".  Even when Taveras fielded the ball, I thought "no way".  Shows what I know.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2006, 03:45:32 pm »
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Does anyone have a video link  of the play?  I was working last night, missed the game, and cannot find anything on astros.com or mlb.com.



The funny thing is, you didn't recognize it as the play was happening.  I, like probably everyone else besides Taveras, just assumed it would be a double.  Then as Rollins is sliding into 2B, I'm thinking "holy shit, they got a shot at him".  Even when Taveras fielded the ball, I thought "no way".  Shows what I know.



What was special about that play was the foot work.  The throw had a big loop in it but was dead on the bag.  Pretty slick since he hardly looked.  The play was made by how quickly he closed on the ball, gloved it, turned, and threw without an extra step to set.
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2006, 05:33:50 pm »
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Does anyone have a video link  of the play?  I was working last night, missed the game, and cannot find anything on astros.com or mlb.com.



The funny thing is, you didn't recognize it as the play was happening.  I, like probably everyone else besides Taveras, just assumed it would be a double.  Then as Rollins is sliding into 2B, I'm thinking "holy shit, they got a shot at him".  Even when Taveras fielded the ball, I thought "no way".  Shows what I know.



What was special about that play was the foot work.  The throw had a big loop in it but was dead on the bag.  Pretty slick since he hardly looked.  The play was made by how quickly he closed on the ball, gloved it, turned, and threw without an extra step to set.



The ability to stop on a dime while going full speed, turn and make a throw to an exact spot 150 feet from where I am was probably the only thing keeping me out of professional baseball.  Damnit!
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2006, 05:47:31 pm »
yes i second your idea, link of video anyone?
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2006, 10:40:37 am »
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Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game.



and Andruw Jones?
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2006, 01:55:12 pm »
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Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game.



and Andruw Jones?



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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2006, 02:56:21 pm »
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Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game.



and Andruw Jones?




I think it depends on what qualities you most value in a CF.  Having one with a strong arm, like Taveras or Kotsay, is great, but range has traditionally been considered the most important asset at that position.

In that sense, the play Wily T made was great before he ever threw the ball.  He's always been plenty fast enough, but range is also angle, approach, footwork, etc.  I used to think Taveras took not so great angles, but now I think I was wrong.

A. Jones had tremendous range when he was 19, 20, 21.  Unbelievable range, the best I've seen since Garry Maddox (and no one had more range than Maddox - ask Ralph Kiner.)  But since Jones bulked up/gained weight, his range seems to have diminished noticeably.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2006, 03:26:35 pm »
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Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game.



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I think it depends on what qualities you most value in a CF.  Having one with a strong arm, like Taveras or Kotsay, is great, but range has traditionally been considered the most important asset at that position.

In that sense, the play Wily T made was great before he ever threw the ball.  He's always been plenty fast enough, but range is also angle, approach, footwork, etc.  I used to think Taveras took not so great angles, but now I think I was wrong.

A. Jones had tremendous range when he was 19, 20, 21.  Unbelievable range, the best I've seen since Garry Maddox (and no one had more range than Maddox - ask Ralph Kiner.)  But since Jones bulked up/gained weight, his range seems to have diminished noticeably.



You weren't wrong, Taveras has improved.  Which is why he's back in center.  He made a wrong turn on a flyball early in game 3 of the last Mets series but that has been rare lately.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2006, 03:27:07 pm »
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In that sense, the play Wily T made was great before he ever threw the ball.  He's always been plenty fast enough, but range is also angle, approach, footwork, etc.  I used to think Taveras took not so great angles, but now I think I was wrong.



I think you were right.  No doubt Taveras has improved tremendously.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2006, 03:38:44 pm »
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You weren't wrong, Taveras has improved.  Which is why he's back in center.  He made a wrong turn on a flyball early in game 3 of the last Mets series but that has been rare lately.


To be fair, that one was straight over his head which makes it harder to determine which way to turn.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2006, 03:52:40 pm »
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To be fair, that one was straight over his head which makes it harder to determine which way to turn.


It may even have been bending back somewhat.  I don't think that one was a misread so much as a reaction to something that couldn't really be read when he had to make his jump, if that makes any sense.
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2006, 03:55:30 pm »
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It may even have been bending back somewhat.  I don't think that one was a misread so much as a reaction to something that couldn't really be read when he had to make his jump, if that makes any sense.


Right.  He had to go straight back, so whether he turned to the left or the right was less of a priority than getting moving.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2006, 04:36:12 pm »
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You weren't wrong, Taveras has improved.  Which is why he's back in center.  He made a wrong turn on a flyball early in game 3 of the last Mets series but that has been rare lately.


To be fair, that one was straight over his head which makes it harder to determine which way to turn.



True, and once he got back and straightened out, he made it look like a routine play, which it was not.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2006, 08:30:28 pm »
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Hunter, Cameron and Beltran come to mind as the best defensive CF'ers in the game.



and Andruw Jones?




I think it depends on what qualities you most value in a CF.  Having one with a strong arm, like Taveras or Kotsay, is great, but range has traditionally been considered the most important asset at that position.

In that sense, the play Wily T made was great before he ever threw the ball.  He's always been plenty fast enough, but range is also angle, approach, footwork, etc.  I used to think Taveras took not so great angles, but now I think I was wrong.

A. Jones had tremendous range when he was 19, 20, 21.  Unbelievable range, the best I've seen since Garry Maddox (and no one had more range than Maddox - ask Ralph Kiner.)  But since Jones bulked up/gained weight, his range seems to have diminished noticeably.



You weren't wrong, Taveras has improved.  Which is why he's back in center.  He made a wrong turn on a flyball early in game 3 of the last Mets series but that has been rare lately.




Thanks.  I haven't been able to watch as much this season as normally, so I wasn't sure.

It was wrong to do so, but the guy I used to draw a facile comparison to Willy T with was Roger Cedeno.  Remember his brief encampment out in yon Central Gardens?  Now there was a guy who appeared to be and was really fast, like Taveras.  A natural CF, right?  Only Cedeno never looked like he knew what he was doing out there.  And never got any better at it, as I recall.

I'm glad to say I apparently judged Willy T. too harshly.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2006, 09:20:51 pm »
Otehr teams have tried Cedeno and have exactly the same problem.  I seem to remember him getting some hits for thr 3rds in the 2005 NLCS, but looking like 5-year old in the field whenever the ball came his way.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2006, 12:03:39 pm »
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Otehr teams have tried Cedeno and have exactly the same problem.  I seem to remember him getting some hits for thr 3rds in the 2005 NLCS, but looking like 5-year old in the field whenever the ball came his way.



I recall one time, I think he was playing left field for the Mets at this point, that someone hit a routine high pop to the center side of left field. Cedeno froze, then sprinted towards the foul line, stopped turned completely around, and arrived as the routine pop landed 30 feet from where he was originally standing.
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