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Matt Albers sent down
« on: August 05, 2006, 02:56:51 am »
Albers sent down, Nieve back up according to FSW.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 02:58:41 am »
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Albers sent down, Nieve back up according to FSW.




Just heard the same thing.  I guess the Nieve as RP/closer experiment is over.
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Re: Matt Albers sent down
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 02:59:25 am »
We don't need a 5th starter until next Saturday so I assume Nieve will work out of the pen until then.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2006, 03:05:49 am »
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We don't need a 5th starter until next Saturday so I assume Nieve will work out of the pen until then.




I didn't realize the Astros had an off day coming up on Monday.  I wonder if we will finally see Hirsh next Saturday or if Nieve will get the start.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 12:02:26 pm »
it is no "experiment."
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Re: Matt Albers sent down
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 12:04:15 pm »
So, Fernando is our new closer?

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 12:44:01 pm »
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So, Fernando is our new closer?




He is not only a closer, but a closer who can pitch two innings without problem.  He was pretty darn good from what I saw at Round Rock.  He was throwing free and easy and touching 94 on the gun easy.  If he has control of his slider and changeup, dude will be untouchable.

Oh, did I mention he has no problem going two innings?  As far as being *THE* closer for the Astros, methinks he is now part of the committee.  Qualls has been regressing a bit while Wheeler has been coming on strong.  Lidge is still Lidge for this season.  Adding Nieve to that mix makes, along with Trever Miller makes for a stronger bullpen.  I think Garner now knows he has to have options at his disposal to get the last six outs or less.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 12:54:06 pm »
I just hope Garner remembers to use him.  Borkowski is getting covered in cobwebs out there.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2006, 01:12:35 pm »
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I just hope Garner remembers to use him.  Borkowski is getting covered in cobwebs out there.




Because he's a long reliever.  The starters are going much better now and in reality, now that Wandy Rodriquez and Taylor Buchholz are in AAA and Albers too, the need for a long reliever is diminishing.  All depends on Backe now, if he can go like he did his last start instead of blowing himself out in five inning (because he has so many freaking 3-2 counts on all the hitters), they will not need a long reliever again.

Means they could bring up Hirsh and be done with the moves for this year.  Here is hoping.

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Re: Matt Albers sent down
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2006, 01:14:13 pm »
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Means they could bring up Hirsh and be done with the moves for this year.  Here is hoping.




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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2006, 01:15:06 pm »
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Means they could bring up Hirsh and be done with the moves for this year.  Here is hoping.




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Albers can't come back up for ten days.  It's either Buchholz or Hirsh in five days.  I'm betting Hirsh.

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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2006, 01:16:27 pm »
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Albers can't come back up for ten days.  It's either Buchholz or Hirsh in five days.  I'm betting Hirsh.




I didn't mean on who they bring up. I mean on whether they could be done with moves this year.

Everyone else has had a turn -- why not Hirsh?

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2006, 12:08:00 pm »
Well, Buchholz started for Round Rock last night, which would put him in line for a start on the 12th.  According to this article The Link  Hirsh is supposed to start tonight.  I'm feeling sick thinking about the possibility of Buchholz starting Saturday instead of Hirsh.

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2006, 12:22:59 pm »
feeling sick? that is ridiculous.
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2006, 12:24:09 pm »
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I'm feeling sick thinking about the possibility of Buchholz starting Saturday instead of Hirsh.



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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2006, 12:41:59 pm »
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I'm feeling sick thinking about the possibility of Buchholz starting Saturday instead of Hirsh.



I guess you better let your doctor know about this since you will be sick alot next season as Buchholz will likely be starting every 5th day.  MAN that is going to be a rough year for you.

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2006, 12:48:39 pm »
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Well, Buchholz started for Round Rock last night, which would put him in line for a start on the 12th.  According to this article The Link  Hirsh is supposed to start tonight.  I'm feeling sick thinking about the possibility of Buchholz starting Saturday instead of Hirsh.




Histrionic much?

It should be quite clear to everyone that the Astros do not want another untested rookie to take the mound as a starter this season.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2006, 01:11:30 pm »
Buchholz's last three starts with the Astros were horrible.  His two (or three?) starts in AAA haven't given me any reason to believe he has improved his consistency/command at all while there.  Isn't one of the biggest differences between a major league player and a minor leauge player consistency?  Well, Buchholz has been the epitome of inconsistency this season, while Hirsh has been the consistently good at Round Round (excluding the first month or so).

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2006, 01:49:41 pm »
I'm curious as to how Buccholz has looked in RR and what guys like Jackie & Hooton are saying about his outings.  IIRC, Buccholz's problems in Houston came from leaving the ball up and being inconsistant with hanging the curve.  Has that improved in RR?

No doubt that when he's on, Buccholz is very, very good.
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2006, 02:19:32 pm »
I love TB- I'm on record as saying that. I'm excited about his future, blah blah blah.

He's gotten lit up a couple times at RR- his era is around 9 and he's in some type of funk that he hasn't seemed to come out of yet.  Put me down as wanting to see Hirsch make his big league debut.

That being said if it is TB I'm not going to be sick or anything.

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Re: Matt Albers sent down
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2006, 02:41:13 pm »
yeah, except for when he was lousy, Hirsch has been great.

so, you have watched TB in RR? how has he looked to you? how is he throwing? what does he need to work on? why does he make you sick? are you Mrs. Hirsch?
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2006, 03:32:09 pm »
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Buchholz's last three starts with the Astros were horrible.  His two (or three?) starts in AAA haven't given me any reason to believe he has improved his consistency/command at all while there.  Isn't one of the biggest differences between a major league player and a minor leauge player consistency?  Well, Buchholz has been the epitome of inconsistency this season, while Hirsh has been the consistently good at Round Round (excluding the first month or so).




So Buchholz has been inconsistent in his first year in the bigs, while Hirsch has been consistent, except when he wasn't.

Is that the sum of it?

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2006, 03:44:12 pm »
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So Buchholz has been inconsistent in his first year in the bigs, while Hirsch has been consistent, except when he wasn't.

Is that the sum of it?





46 consecutive shutout innings is pretty darn consistent.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2006, 03:45:59 pm »
Like I said, except for the first month of the season, Hirsh has been great.  Jackie Moore said that Hirsh is the most consistent young pitcher he has ever seen.  I think Moore has seen quite a few young pitchers.  I haven't seen Taylor pitch at Round Rock, but I think (from watching his starts with the Astros) he definitely needs to work on his location, especially with his fastball.  He also needs to minimize his mistakes, such as hanging his curveball.  I do think Taylor has top of the rotation stuff, but I don't think a team contending for the playoffs can put him out there every five days and pray that he has one of his spectacular days (which he does have every now and then).  Maybe he makes me sick because he gave up sixteen earned runs in his last 3 starts, and we lost all three of those games.  Yes, I am "Mrs. Hirsch".  How did you figure that one out?

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2006, 03:54:17 pm »
because you luuuuuv Jason.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2006, 04:33:05 pm »
I don't doubt he's good, or that the Astros could and may use him, but I found the statement funny...if you throw out the time he wasn't consistent, he's been very consistent.

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2006, 04:39:27 pm »
I think had Jason not had the minor arm tenderness when Albers was brought up, Jason would have been the one getting the call.

I also think that given how close the team is to Sept 1st and the freebie call-ups then, that they are starting to wonder if it might be better for the team long term to wait on calling up Hirsh until Sept 1st, thus not starting the clock on him just yet.

While I think they still might call him up for the start comming up, it will be very tempting for them to put it off for that reason since they are basically only 2 weeks away (or will be when the start comes around).

This is one of those balancing now and the future things that GMs have so much heartburn over.  Just thought I would point that out.

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2006, 04:49:20 pm »
i do not think they will call Hirsch up for the pen. that is why Albers was the selection.

every game is crucial. is that the best spot for The First Major League Start? Buchholz may be the better choice, although i am sure Jackie M. will get to express his opinion on how they both are throwing.
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2006, 05:30:08 pm »
No 'C' in his name, Hirsh.

And I agree I think Buchholz is the likely choice.  And if bullpen help was what they needed, I don't understand the reasoning that said Albers would be better than Nieve.  Although recent reports are that Astros management has now settled on the fact that Nieve is detined for relief not starting. I find that interesting because I have been saying that since last year when he was being talked about...

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2006, 05:34:57 pm »
RR was under orders to use Nieve out of the pen exclusively.

Albers throws harder, i think. HIRSH (sorry Duder) is only 88-92. maybe that was a factor.
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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2006, 05:45:37 pm »
Hey don't group me in with that clark!

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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2006, 05:46:43 pm »
i wasn't but he read my incorrect spelling, i'm sure.
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2006, 05:53:21 pm »
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RR was under orders to use Nieve out of the pen exclusively.

Albers throws harder, i think. HIRSH (sorry Duder) is only 88-92. maybe that was a factor.





Nieve has a mph or 2 on Albers, Albers' has more movement.

IIRC, Hirsh had more velocity before the Astros changed his mechanics in 2004. His 88-89 two-seamer moves like a nasty sinker. He locates his 4-seamer better at 92 than at 94-95. That's what I've seen and what I've been told.
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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2006, 05:53:43 pm »
Perhaps the Albers call-up was a showcase for a potential suitor?

In any case, Hirsh is pitching against Salt Lake tonight at 8. Hopefully the feed won't crap out on me again.

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RR was under orders to use Nieve out of the pen exclusively.

Albers throws harder, i think. HIRSH (sorry Duder) is only 88-92. maybe that was a factor.





Nieve has a mph or 2 on Albers, Albers' has more movement.

IIRC, Hirsh had more velocity before the Astros changed his mechanics in 2004. His 88-89 two-seamer moves like a nasty sinker. He locates his 4-seamer better at 92 than at 94-95. That's what I've seen and what I've been told.





It's what I saw the other day.  He threw his four seamer effectively, but when he threw hard, it wasn't as consistently getting swings as his 92 version of the four seamer.  His sinker was absolutely devistating.  He throws north and south really well.  I saw a bunch of very weak swings by the Oakland A's AAA players, grounding out to second or short a ton of times and even back to Hirsh on slow rollers.   When he had to, he would go upstairs just to keep them honest and get them to pop out just as weakly.

His game seems to be north and south and occasionally hit a corner with the sinker.

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2006, 06:06:15 pm »
i was not comparing Albers to Nieve.

if i had been 6'8," i would have thrown a lot harder than 92. it blows me away that some guys have to reduce their velocity to gain control. Koufax is the best example of that phenomenon.
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2006, 06:11:41 pm »
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i was not comparing Albers to Nieve.

if i had been 6'8," i would have thrown a lot harder than 92. it blows me away that some guys have to reduce their velocity to gain control. Koufax is the best example of that phenomenon.





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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2006, 06:19:36 pm »
Is Sampson now totally out of the mix for a spot start?
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2006, 06:24:31 pm »
dunno. i think he's back in RR, but the moves lost me.
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2006, 06:25:26 pm »
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RR was under orders to use Nieve out of the pen exclusively.

Albers throws harder, i think. HIRSH (sorry Duder) is only 88-92. maybe that was a factor.





Nieve has a mph or 2 on Albers, Albers' has more movement.

IIRC, Hirsh had more velocity before the Astros changed his mechanics in 2004. His 88-89 two-seamer moves like a nasty sinker. He locates his 4-seamer better at 92 than at 94-95. That's what I've seen and what I've been told.




It's what I saw the other day.  He threw his four seamer effectively, but when he threw hard, it wasn't as consistently getting swings as his 92 version of the four seamer.  His sinker was absolutely devistating.  He throws north and south really well.  I saw a bunch of very weak swings by the Oakland A's AAA players, grounding out to second or short a ton of times and even back to Hirsh on slow rollers.   When he had to, he would go upstairs just to keep them honest and get them to pop out just as weakly.

His game seems to be north and south and occasionally hit a corner with the sinker.




I am told he didn't really have that sinker movement before the Astros altered his mechanics.
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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2006, 06:41:21 pm »
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I am told he didn't really have that sinker movement before the Astros altered his mechanics.




Chad Qualls has a nasty sinker that touches around 90-91 mph.  It moves quite a bit, but at times he has a hard time throwing it for strikes because of the movement.  But when he's on, nobody squares him up.  Hirsh does the same thing, other than Jeremy Brown running into one four seamer that Hirsh left too close to the middle of the strikezone (and Brown put a funky swing on the pitch that was up in the zone), he had the sinker working all night.  His four seamer got him in a jam the next inning, when Brian Gordon dropped what should've been a long fly ball out into a two run double.  It also put two men in scoring position with two outs... and Jeremy Brown up to bat again.

Burt Hooton came out to visit Hirsh and did all the talking.  After the meeting broke up, Hirsh threw his four seamer again, Brown swung like he did in his homerun, but this time he just popped it up to shortstop.  If Hooton told him to trust his four seamer getting this anxious free swinger, then he's a genius.  Perfectly placed above the hands, a little below eye-level.

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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2006, 11:15:30 pm »
I just saw that Hirsh only went 2 in Salt Lake tonight.  I talked to him today and he had no idea this was going on.  Does this mean he will be up on Saturday?  If so, I need to find a place that plays the Astros games

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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2006, 11:16:59 pm »
Yes, Hirsh is starting on Saturday night.

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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2006, 11:18:23 pm »
how do you know?  That is sweet but want to find out for sure.  thanks

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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2006, 11:33:21 pm »
I just talked to Hirsh and he is going up and throwing on Sat. Night.  Looks like i have to find a place to watch the game!!!

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2006, 11:36:05 pm »
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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2006, 11:51:37 pm »
I just talked to Hirsh too and he tolled me to tell you wassup.

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2006, 12:02:52 pm »
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I just talked to Hirsh too and he tolled me to tell you wassup.




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I just talked to Hirsh and he is going up and throwing on Sat. Night.  Looks like i have to find a place to watch the game!!!




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