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« on: October 27, 2005, 12:53:20 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2005, 12:55:50 pm »
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Why? Because their links don't work?
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2005, 03:38:09 pm »
I saw the link on their front page.  I didn't bother reading it.  Anyone who claimed this was the worst world series in _______ (add bs time frame) clearly didn't watch the games.  

Every game was filled with drama and not just because we are Houston fans.  Every game had a few lead changes except for last night, which was probably my favorite astros game that we lost.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2005, 05:36:47 pm »
Garner overmatched?  How quickly they forget how he managed to steer the team to a win in the 18 inning game despite being forced to go to the bullpen before the end of the 5th!

I didn't agree with the Bagwell for Backe decision (I said to my mate before the inning that if it's 2 out when Backe comes up, I let him hit), but I respect Garner's choice.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2005, 06:01:39 pm »
Even as an diehard Astros fan, I don't disagree with them.  It wasn't good baseball.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2005, 06:05:17 pm »
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Even as an diehard Astros fan, I don't disagree with them.  It wasn't good baseball.




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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2005, 06:23:52 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2005, 06:45:14 pm »
And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2005, 06:47:01 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2005, 06:54:11 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.





Sounds serious.

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2005, 06:55:50 pm »
You read it here folks.  The N.L. Champs are "mediocre."
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2005, 06:56:34 pm »
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This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.




Holy shit, they really set the bar low for winning a league pennant this season. What's your evaluation of the White Sox? Somewhat above mediocre? Because the Astros were one timely hit, good pitch or defensive play away from winning all 4 of those games, and I would think the gulf between "best team in baseball" and "mediocre" would be a little wider than that.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2005, 06:57:59 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2005, 06:59:41 pm »
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You read it here folks.  The N.L. Champs are "mediocre."





Mediocre, and yet more often than not, found a way to win.  Gotta love it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2005, 07:01:17 pm »
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make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.




Well, if by "doesn't"  and "rebuttal" you mean something other than showing that you were completely and totally wrong.

Then yes.
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2005, 07:02:35 pm »
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You read it here folks.  The N.L. Champs are "mediocre."





Mediocre, and yet more often than not, found a way to win.  Gotta love it.





If the Astros are mediocre, then which team(s) is good?... besides the White Sox...
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2005, 07:05:10 pm »


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This WAS and IS a mediocre team, whicplayed shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.




Holy shit, they really set the bar low for winning a league pennant this season. What's your evaluation of the White Sox? Somewhat above mediocre? Because the Astros were one timely hit, good pitch or defensive play away from winning all 4 of those games, and I would think the gulf between "best team in baseball" and "mediocre" would be a little wider than that.





Yeah, you need breaks to win it all.  The Astros didn't get enough of them.  The White Sox were a good team with some players running hot, that got plenty of breaks and took advantage of them.  That'll translate into 11 wins in 12 games.   I think there were a couple threads here talking about how the Sox were good, but nothing special.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2005, 07:05:29 pm »
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You read it here folks.  The N.L. Champs are "mediocre."





Mediocre, and yet more often than not, found a way to win.  Gotta love it.





Beats admitting you dont know what the hell you're talking about. "This Astros team is going nowhere." No THAT is funny.

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2005, 07:06:31 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2005, 07:09:02 pm »
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You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




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Sounds serious.

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2005, 07:09:10 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?




"This Astros team is going nowhere."

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 07:12:23 pm »


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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?




"This Astros team is going nowhere."





So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere"   and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?

I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata.  Sorry.

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2005, 07:12:27 pm »
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make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.




Well, if by "doesn't"  and "rebuttal" you mean something other than showing that you were completely and totally wrong.

Then yes.




Actually, by "doesn't" he means "actualize" and by "rebuttal" he means "purple" ... It's sort of like Humpty Dumpty in "Through the Looking Glass" ... his words mean just exactly what he wants them to mean, nothing more and nothing less.  Therefore, by definition, if you disagree with him YOU ARE WRONG.  [please excuse the shouting ... it was intended as a sort of faux quote]
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2005, 07:14:08 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?




"This Astros team is going nowhere."





So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere"   and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?

I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata.  Sorry.




Are you actually quibbling about what the word "is" means?

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2005, 07:18:03 pm »
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This WAS and IS a mediocre team, whicplayed shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.




Holy shit, they really set the bar low for winning a league pennant this season. What's your evaluation of the White Sox? Somewhat above mediocre? Because the Astros were one timely hit, good pitch or defensive play away from winning all 4 of those games, and I would think the gulf between "best team in baseball" and "mediocre" would be a little wider than that.




Yeah, you need breaks to win it all.  The Astros didn't get enough of them.  The White Sox were a good team with some players running hot, that got plenty of breaks and took advantage of them.  That'll translate into 11 wins in 12 games.   I think there were a couple threads here talking about how the Sox were good, but nothing special.




Was anyone very good this year, then? Because the White Sox won 99 regular season games, went through the postseason like Taco Bell goes through me, and generally seemed to pitch, hit, run and play defense quite well. That the Astros were within reach in every game would seem to indicate that they weren't too far off from the same level. Was there a team that was dramatically better? The Cardinals? The Braves? Or maybe the Yankees, Red Sox or Angels? I'm not picking at it, I just don't understand how you can call this bunch mediocre, because I'm having a hard time finding more than 1 team that can be justifiably called superior. And apparently even they aren't anything special.
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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2005, 07:19:09 pm »
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So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere"   and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?





OK, I get it. At the time they weren't going anywhere in the future, which doesn't mean that in the future they wouldn't be going anywhere at the time. I think you have a great point there.
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2005, 07:23:19 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?




"This Astros team is going nowhere."





So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere"   and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?

I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata.  Sorry.




Are you actually quibbling about what the word "is" means?




To continue the Clinton reference... I feel your pain, pravata.  I know given your situation, few things would give you more pleasure than to make someone eat their words.

I'm not your huckleberry on this though, sadly.  No one can seriously deny that saying the Astros were going nowhere at that junction in the season was false.  They weren't going anywhere at the time.

From.. what 7? 8? years following the TZ on OWA and AC, I know you get off on these back and forths.  I think I've done my part to satiate you for a little while.

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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2005, 07:24:51 pm »
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And why is that, exactly?  Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa?  Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?

This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.  It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball.  So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.

Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to.   But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.





You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.




Sounds serious.

Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.




So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit?  You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.





Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?




"This Astros team is going nowhere."





So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere"   and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?

I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata.  Sorry.




Are you actually quibbling about what the word "is" means?




To continue the Clinton reference... I feel your pain, pravata.  I know given your situation, few things would give you more pleasure than to make someone eat their words.

I'm not your huckleberry on this though, sadly.  No one can seriously deny that saying the Astros were going nowhere at that junction in the season was false.  They weren't going anywhere at the time.

From.. what 7? 8? years following the TZ on OWA and AC, I know you get off on these back and forths.  I think I've done my part to satiate you for a little while.




Nice out.  I wasn't going to pursue it, but you decided to be stupid.

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2005, 07:26:01 pm »
The Sox were a very good team.  We played them pretty well.
With a bit of luck, the Astros would have won.

The problem with saying that the Astros were mediocre is that it's too simple, and it was too simple back in May.  The Astros pitching was excellent, both in the bullpen and for starters.  It fell apart a bit in the world series, but it was much better than mediocre.  

The Astros defense was very good as well. Up the center, Taveras, Everett, Ausmus, was very strong.  Berkman is a very good first baseman, and Berkman/Burke in left and Biggio at second were at least good major leaguers.  Ensberg and Lane were better than average defenders.  All-in-all, defense was a good bit better than mediocre.  Lamb was weak, but he had his moments.

The real complaint about the team was offense, and when Ensberg stopped hitting it showed.  That happens, but long-term it probably doesn't mean much.  

What really made this team, in my mind, was how the team seemed to hold together.  It was great pitching, good defense, sometimes bad offense, but a great team.  You had just the right kind of leadership, just the right amount of relaxed fire, from Clemens and Berkman and Ausmus, and you had very good managing from Garner.  It was something that baseball doesn't require to win, but that sometimes can win in baseball, and it's what made saying the team as a whole is mediocre tough to agree with.  It had offensive holes, sure, but it wasn't mediocre: in fact it was a great team, despite its offensive problems.
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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2005, 07:27:48 pm »
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And some just tell others to "go fuck themselves", insisting that they were right all along about the level of baseball we could expect from *that* team.

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2005, 09:23:45 pm »
So, he's a fan of a team that he can't stop bitching about, even when they succeed.  I think he might want to try another  discussion board.
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2005, 09:44:48 pm »
Yeah, just not good form on this day, even though I think you probably mean well.  

As for the rest of you, you've made my day.  I love seeing the team defended so passionately.  And Neil, nice analysis.  I'm sad now, but not for the loss.  Because it's over and it was SO MUCH FUCKING FUN!
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2005, 09:48:46 pm »
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I'm sad now, but not for the loss.  Because it's over and it was SO MUCH FUCKING FUN!




Stick around for the handwringing and consternation that accompanies the offseason.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2005, 09:51:14 pm »
Thankee ma'am.  And I'd note that one of the great things about this series was that the OWA HA may have found its bar.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2005, 09:52:05 pm »
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Stick around for the handwringing and consternation that accompanies the offseason.





No problem.  I'll be here.  I drank the Koolaid.
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