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« on: October 26, 2005, 01:37:11 pm »
And Tom Verducci is a prick.

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2005, 01:40:49 pm »
That's bad.  So is this pile of shit.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2005, 01:44:55 pm »
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And Tom Verducci is a prick.

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Journalists, if they're worth a crap, which he is not, should know what the fuck they're writing about.  This dickless fuck should go back to writing about the Yankees,

Garner, et al, throughout the season, a sampler

"We played crappy," Garner said "We plain played crappy."
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"It got out of hand," Garner said

"It's been a pathetic offensive performance by us this year," - Brad Ausmus

"I've never seen anything like this in my life," - Craig Biggio

"It's disappointment and embarrassment," said Morgan Ensberg ...I'm embarrassed out there."
 
Ausmus on Houston's problems at the plate: "You can't cut off a chicken's head and suddenly start hitting."
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"It's just stupid," manager Phil Garner said. "They even tried to give us a run tonight, and we couldn't take it. It's just gotten stupid."
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This was a God-awful game." , Phil Garner
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2005, 01:53:52 pm »
Face it.  The Astros, to a man, are a bunch of turncoats.  The manager, coaches and players all blame themselves, when instead they should be blaming themselves.

The nerve.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2005, 01:55:56 pm »
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That's bad.  So is this pile of shit.



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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2005, 02:03:34 pm »
Up front... I love Gar.  I think he's a good manager.

I hate the attitude that comes across in Verducci's writing, but the points he made about the managerial decisions last night were pretty fair.

But Verducci did go too far in claiming that Gar "jumped ship."
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2005, 02:04:58 pm »
I am very disgusted in the coverage of this World Series.  Hell, even the rest of the playoffs and regular season were a joke.  It's not just my homerism of "don't talk bad about my Astros!" either.  I can't remember a single article I've read in the last six weeks that introduced a coherent position and backed it up with facts.  Sports journalism from the local level to the national has really let me down this year.  Sensationalized non-issues (the roof) take precedence over the actual games.  Throw in a few promos for the new season of "House, MD" (that guy looks like he just bit his dog) and you've got MLB 2005.  Fuck 'em all.  I'm going to get some pizza.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2005, 02:05:59 pm »
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Up front... I love Gar.  I think he's a good manager.

I hate the attitude that comes across in Verducci's writing, but the points he made about the managerial decisions last night were pretty fair.

But Verducci did go too far in claiming that Gar "jumped ship."



Where, exactly, does he say anything about managerial decisions?
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2005, 02:08:39 pm »
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Up front... I love Gar.  I think he's a good manager.

I hate the attitude that comes across in Verducci's writing, but the points he made about the managerial decisions last night were pretty fair.

But Verducci did go too far in claiming that Gar "jumped ship."





Where, exactly, does he say anything about managerial decisions?



I think it was the decision to throw his stool in disgust.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2005, 02:10:02 pm »
 Page two  of the article is all about the managerial decisions.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2005, 02:12:09 pm »
I agree with a couple of his criticisms, but most are worthless, especially the second-guessing of using Bagwell in Game 1.  You'll notice how, with Bags starting the 9th inning rally in Game 2, Verducci conveniently ignores Bagwell DHing in that game.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2005, 02:19:40 pm »
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Page two  of the article is all about the managerial decisions.



Didnt see that thanks.  Now I have even more proof he's writing about a subject that he has no idea. Bunt? Against Hernandez?  Not for Biggio, all he had to do was swing at one of the close balls and hit a fly. That's purely on Biggio.  It was on for Taveras but they took it off because Hernandez was so wild.  

Oswalt HATES for people to come to the mound.  It doesnt help him either.  He works quick, letting him get his rhythm back is how he get on track.  The problem in the inning was pitch selection.  

Bunting Viz over, to get to the "heart" of the order?  Biggio is part of that heart.  Criticizing leaving Astacio in means you're not familar with Rodriguez's control issues.  Astacio generally has much better control than Wandy.  

And the bullshit about Bagwell... this is just crap.  The Astros, to a man, coaches and players wanted Bagwell in the DH.  Questioning hitting Lamb, pitching Springer, well you might as well not have watched the Astros in 05 at all.  And finally, Garner did go out to ask for a second opinion on the hbp to Dye.  He was refused.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2005, 02:31:22 pm »
You counter his points well.  I especially agree about leaving Zeke in the game.  The missed opportunity in the 9th looms largest.  I understand why Gar made the choices he did, but it's to be expected that journalists will present the devil's advocate view.  From that perspective, I didn't think Verducci was unfair.

I agree that the questions about games 1 and 2 were bogus.  Bags is legit as a DH.  Mother Hen nearly got through unscathed, and Lamb is either on or off, doesn't matter if the pitcher's righty or lefty.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2005, 02:46:01 pm »
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You counter his points well.  I especially agree about leaving Zeke in the game.  The missed opportunity in the 9th looms largest.  I understand why Gar made the choices he did, but it's to be expected that journalists will present the devil's advocate view.  From that perspective, I didn't think Verducci was unfair.

I agree that the questions about games 1 and 2 were bogus.  Bags is legit as a DH.  Mother Hen nearly got through unscathed, and Lamb is either on or off, doesn't matter if the pitcher's righty or lefty.



He's unfair in his premise that he thinks Garner is trying to shift blame away from himself.  He proves himself a prick in the last 2 paragraphs, while also betraying that he just started paying attention to the Astros. Garner has said exactly the same things all season long.  Not to mention the players have said it themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2005, 03:22:37 pm »
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That's bad.  So is this pile of shit.



Well, he's spot on.  The whining by the Astros yesteday about the roof was despicable and embarassing.  Shut the fuck up and play the game.  They don't close it for the other teams, they don't move the fences when you're batting.  Both teams played under exactly the same conditions, yet only one of them was crying about it.  The Astros acted like pussies yesterday.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2005, 03:26:32 pm »
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Well, he's spot on.  The whining by the Astros yesteday about the roof was despicable and embarassing.  Shut the fuck up and play the game.  They don't close it for the other teams, they don't move the fences when you're batting.  Both teams played under exactly the same conditions, yet only one of them was crying about it.  The Astros acted like pussies yesterday.



Why?  By saying they prefer it closed, it's been closed for the majority of the time and asking why is it now suddenly an issue?  You know me, I want it open all the time, mid August whenever.  But to suggest that the Astros are somehow cheating, or claiming an unfair advantage by keeping it closed is insulting.  If Selig wants to look at field conditions he oughta go inspect that funky 3b line in Chicago.
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Re: Water is wet
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2005, 03:29:05 pm »
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Why?  By saying they prefer it closed,




No, by saying they're somehow being "robbed".  


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But to suggest that the Astros are somehow cheating, or claiming an unfair advantage by keeping it closed is insulting.




No one has claimed that, at least not that I've hear.  But the Astros are certainly claiming that they've been cheated by not having it closed.  I get tired of bullshit excuses and whining, by either side.  The field conditions, good or bad, are the same for both teams.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2005, 03:35:41 pm »
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Why?  By saying they prefer it closed,




No, by saying they're somehow being "robbed".  


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But to suggest that the Astros are somehow cheating, or claiming an unfair advantage by keeping it closed is insulting.




No one has claimed that, at least not that I've hear.  But the Astros are certainly claiming that they've been cheated by not having it closed.  I get tired of bullshit excuses and whining, by either side.  The field conditions, good or bad, are the same for both teams.



I havent heard anybody claiming they lost because the roof -wasn't-(ed.) closed.  And if they're not insinuating the Astros are cheating, what's this about,

Bud Selig said. ..."We don't do things to give teams competitive advantages. Weather is the sole determinant. Given World Series games, this is a lovely day and lovely evening.''
 
...Selig said he has had to impose his will on certain park conditions through the years and used the Cubs as an example.

"The Cubs have been pretty good,'' he said. "But four or five years ago, I thought the home club was doing some things to the field, and we told them to cut it out. And they did.''

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2005, 03:43:09 pm »
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Why?  By saying they prefer it closed,




No, by saying they're somehow being "robbed".  


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But to suggest that the Astros are somehow cheating, or claiming an unfair advantage by keeping it closed is insulting.




No one has claimed that, at least not that I've hear.  But the Astros are certainly claiming that they've been cheated by not having it closed.  I get tired of bullshit excuses and whining, by either side.  The field conditions, good or bad, are the same for both teams.



I havent heard anybody claiming they lost because the roof -wasn't-(ed.) closed.  And if they're not insinuating the Astros are cheating, what's this about,

Bud Selig said. ..."We don't do things to give teams competitive advantages. Weather is the sole determinant. Given World Series games, this is a lovely day and lovely evening.''
 
...Selig said he has had to impose his will on certain park conditions through the years and used the Cubs as an example.

"The Cubs have been pretty good,'' he said. "But four or five years ago, I thought the home club was doing some things to the field, and we told them to cut it out. And they did.''

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Also, add in the Cardinals complaining about the dimensions, and LaRussa saying that he felt the umps would call fair in Busch but not at the BUS, and I'm about fed up with people complaining about the Astros ballpark.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2005, 03:43:16 pm »
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Well, he's spot on.  The whining by the Astros yesteday about the roof was despicable and embarassing.  Shut the fuck up and play the game.  They don't close it for the other teams, they don't move the fences when you're batting.  Both teams played under exactly the same conditions, yet only one of them was crying about it.  The Astros acted like pussies yesterday.


I don't consider the players' comments as whining because (a) they were most likely expressing their opinion in response to a direct question; and (b) I agree with them.

In the end, I don't think the roof being opened meant anything to anyone except the fans.  And clearly we don't matter.
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2005, 03:45:45 pm »
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Also, add in the Cardinals complaining about the dimensions, and LaRussa saying that he felt the umps would call fair in Busch but not at the BUS, and I'm about fed up with people complaining about the Astros ballpark.


As discussed last night at Roeder's:  The 3rds have cause to be majorly pissed off that the Astros were forced to open the roof for the World Series, but were allowed to close it for the NLCS.  See also Braves, Snivelling.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2005, 03:46:11 pm »
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I'm about fed up with people complaining about the Astros ballpark.



Me too, and that includes the Astros.  I'm fed up with the whining period.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2005, 05:01:04 pm »
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  Goddamn, I can't stand these fucking media wankers! All we heard before series started was a bunch of horseshit about Shoeless Fucking Joe and the violins playing for the Sox in their version of 40 years spent in the desert atoning for their sins. You'd hardly even know there was anyone playing in the WS besides the White Sox if all you paid attention to was the national media. Now that the Astros are down three the media is coming out to kick them when they are down...coming up with bullshit stories about the Astros turning on each other when the chips are down now that they've worn out Shoeless Joe as column fodder.

  Making out Garner is bailing on his team? Did anyone else notice that what he yelled at C4 was "shut the fuck up you fat fuck!" when The Truth was ranting about Crede getting hit? How about showing a little faith and confidence in your boys by leaving Wandy in when he started to struggle in game 1 or leaving Roy in last night when the media (FOX) was calling for him to get the hook? Doesn't consistently playing Bagwell this soon after coming off the DL speak of loyalty and respect? Who gives a shit if Garner was pissed and chucked a chair? At least he has some passion and will actually get riled up when we're getting spanked! Guillen was also throwing shit around last night(I saw at least one water bottle fly) and hollering at his players but that doesn't fit into SI's BS story so you ain't gonna hear it from them.

  Garner brought this team to the playoffs from sub .500 before the allstar break TWICE! Two years in a row! Two things I know are that Garner knows a hell of a lot more about the game than I do and that he also knows a hell a lot more about it than either Wetzel or buttfuck Verducci. Being pissed about losing and being frank about the team's shortcomings are a far cry from stabbing your teammates in the back. These boys aren't turning on each other and no media narcissus is going to convince me otherwise. Fuck no! Bring on the Sox! If we go down we'll all go down together!
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2005, 05:03:42 pm »
Well played TangerineDream, well played.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2005, 05:16:57 pm »
Why do I keep hearing mediots talking about Roy "plunking" Crede intentionally?  Heard it on ESPN radio this morning and Mariotti brings it up in his article.

DID ANY OF THESE MORONS WATCH THE FRICKIN GAME?!?!?!  

Just cause Joe Dirt, Ozzie, and C4 got pissed doesn't mean it was intentional.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2005, 05:19:11 pm »
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Why do I keep hearing mediots talking about Roy "plunking" Crede intentionally?  Heard it on ESPN radio this morning and Mariotti brings it up in his article.

DID ANY OF THESE MORONS WATCH THE FRICKIN GAME?!?!?!  

Just cause Joe Dirt, Ozzie, and C4 got pissed doesn't mean it was intentional.



2 on, 2 out, the count 1-2... and Everett got pissed because Garner said something to Crede about jabbering while he was going down the line.  Unbelievable.
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