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« on: June 04, 2018, 12:26:31 pm »
According to these people's tweet, the Astros have saved a net of 15 runs so far this season when employing the shift.  I have no idea what methodology they used to come to this conclusion.
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Re: Shift
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2018, 01:39:06 pm »
I was not consulted on this.  As you might imagine.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2018, 04:48:59 pm »
According to these people's tweet, the Astros have saved a net of 15 runs so far this season when employing the shift.  I have no idea what methodology they used to come to this conclusion.
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Re: Shift
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 10:46:43 am »
Question:
What constitutes a "shift"?
Does a middle infielder have to be positioned on the non-standard side of second base in order for it to be properly termed a "shift"? When does traditional shading of infielders to account for batter's tendencies become a full-fledged shift?
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Re: Shift
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 11:10:29 am »
Question:
What constitutes a "shift"?
Does a middle infielder have to be positioned on the non-standard side of second base in order for it to be properly termed a "shift"?

Or, directly behind second... I imagine that would count as a shift.  I've seen Correa positioned straight up the middle on a few shifts. 

I have no idea if there is an official delineation, but my guess is any alignment with two infielders between 1B and 2B, AND 2B and 3B is "not-a-shift", and everything else is a "shift".

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Re: Shift
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 11:15:28 am »
Question:
What constitutes a "shift"?
Does a middle infielder have to be positioned on the non-standard side of second base in order for it to be properly termed a "shift"? When does traditional shading of infielders to account for batter's tendencies become a full-fledged shift?
It is a good question. And I think you could get different answers because it is a thing that is dynamic and still evolving. Fielders have always "shifted" their positioning but at one time it was based on observed and recorded tendencies, it still is but modern technology has added a lot more data to the numbers being crunched and teams are emboldened to go beyond what they at one time weren't.
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Re: Shift
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 05:27:27 pm »
It is a good question. And I think you could get different answers because it is a thing that is dynamic and still evolving. Fielders have always "shifted" their positioning but at one time it was based on observed and recorded tendencies, it still is but modern technology has added a lot more data to the numbers being crunched and teams are emboldened to go beyond what they at one time weren't.
In order to judge the veracity of this, or any analysis that states simply that the "shift" saved, or cost X number of net runs one would first have to know what constitutes an "instance". Once that is defined, then each and every ground ball hit during a shift has to be judged as:
1) hit into the shift for an out that would not have happened without the shift
2) hit away from the shift for a hit that would not have happened without the shift
or
3) would make no difference
Then, one must look at 1 and 2 and determine if the allowance or prevention of a hit led to a run or the prevention of a run that would otherwise have happened. Then, of course, one sums up for the net effect.

Seems like some room for variance. I would like to see the methodology before I could even hazard an opinion.
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