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Rodney Linares Article
« on: August 17, 2018, 04:17:31 pm »

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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 05:31:34 pm »
very good insight into the Fresno mgr. and long-time Astro MiL mgr.

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/manager-rodney-linares-a-rising-star-for-houston-astros/c-290089670?tcid=tw_article_290089670

The reach of an effective minor league manager in Altuve's own words:

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"I was with [the Astros] in the playoffs last year, and we were in Boston and we were sitting in the clubhouse," Linares said. "Altuve came up and looked around, and he said, 'Hey, you know what? Everybody that's in here except for [Cameron] Maybin, you've managed before.'"

Tks for sharing!
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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 08:58:02 am »
very good insight into the Fresno mgr. and long-time Astro MiL mgr.

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/manager-rodney-linares-a-rising-star-for-houston-astros/c-290089670?tcid=tw_article_290089670

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"He told me, 'Jefe, no matter how much work you do with these guys, they're not going to get better, because they're not very good,'" Linares said. "That kind of threw the monkey off my back. But then we started to develop some guys."

I did some press box work for the G-Stros that year.  One night after a really bad loss, Rodney said "I can't build a house when they give me termite infested wood".  Pretty much summed up the 2007 G-Stros.

I really liked Rodney as a manager and as a person. 
Always ready to go to a game.

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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2018, 09:39:26 am »
I did some press box work for the G-Stros that year.  One night after a really bad loss, Rodney said "I can't build a house when they give me termite infested wood".  Pretty much summed up the 2007 G-Stros.

I really liked Rodney as a manager and as a person.

Per HC on 18 Sep 18, Rodney Linares and Morgan Ensberg won't return to the Astros system in 2019.
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-part-ways-with-minor-league-managers-13238749.php

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Four Astros minor league coaches — including Class AAA manager Rodney Linares and High-A Buies Creek manager Morgan Ensberg — will not return to the organization in 2019, general manager Jeff Luhnow said Tuesday.

Class AAA hitting coach Daryl Robertson and Class AA Corpus Christi developmental hitting coach Mycal Jones will also not return. Luhnow declined to specify whether the four men were not retained or left on their own accord

More background info here, but no details regarding the changes:
https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/four-minors-coaches-wont-return-to-astros/c-295072060
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 09:44:05 am by Snuffy »
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2018, 10:36:55 am »
Per HC on 18 Sep 18, Rodney Linares and Morgan Ensberg won't return to the Astros system in 2019.
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-part-ways-with-minor-league-managers-13238749.php

More background info here, but no details regarding the changes:
https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/four-minors-coaches-wont-return-to-astros/c-295072060

So much for those manager of the year awards...

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 13m ago
Fresno manager Rodney Linares, Fresno hitting coach Darryl Robinson, Buies Creek manager Morgan Ensberg and Corpus Christi developmental coach Mycal Jones aren't being retained by the Astros for 2019.

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2018, 12:13:32 pm »
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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2018, 01:15:15 pm »

(Links and more info.)

Thanks for keeping us up do date.  Now the links are on this thread as well.
(I figured you were "on it" but could not find you post about it.)
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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2018, 04:03:00 pm »
Heard anything more about this, Nate?  Linares and Ensberg are surprising moves, to me at least.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2018, 04:12:48 pm »
Heard anything more about this, Nate?  Linares and Ensberg are surprising moves, to me at least.
Me too.  I have no clue how these guys are graded/evaluated, but I'm surprised even though I'm not sure why I should be surprised.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2018, 11:33:35 pm »
Heard anything more about this, Nate?  Linares and Ensberg are surprising moves, to me at least.

I haven't seen or heard anything else (other than Jayne's comment on twitter about hearing "mixed reviews" of MoBerg's management skills).

Trying to speculate beyond that as far an overarching reason for all four being fired is probably a fool's game.  If wins and championships are part of the development equation (and from his comments over the years I think Luhnow does believe that), then obviously 2018 was a huge success. You had pop-up prospects on the pitching side all over the place this year so nobody can be unhappy about that. Hitting-wise it was a bit disappointing but is that being perceived as a failure on the development side or simply a lack of talent? If it was the former, seems like more  hitting coaches or a coordinator would have been let go in addition to Robinson.

With all the recent accolades/accomplishments (multiple manager of the year awards for Linares, both winning championships this year or at least taking the club to the playoffs, recently voted best manager in their respective leagues by their peers), the firing of Linares and Ensberg is not going to be seen positively in the industry and could affect future hirings from other clubs. But that's something Luhnow obviously doesn't care about. If you look at a number of the coaches and even managers brought into the organization at the minor league level the past few years you'll see a lot of this:

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Graham Johnson joins the Astros for his first season as pitching coach at Quad Cities after spending the last six years as a coach at Morehead State University.

Rafael Pena joins the Astros as the development coach at Quad Cities following a stint as an assistant coach at the University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma. Pena played two years at the University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma and two years at Western Oklahoma State.

Jason Bell will hold his first career managerial post in 2018 as manager at Tri-City. A development coach at Quad Cities last season, Bell played at the University of Central Missouri, and coached at the University of Maryland-Eastern Shore and Heartland Community College prior to joining the Astros.

Todd Naskedov joins the Astros as the organization's complex pitching coordinator based out of their complex in West Palm Beach, Fla. Naskedov has served as a pitching coach at the community college level, a head coach and assistant coach at the high school level, and has also worked for USA Baseball as a National Team Trials Coach, and Major League Baseball as an International Envoy Coach in the United Kingdom and Holland.

[BC hitting coach Ben] Rosenthal joined the Astros last year as hitting coach at Quad Cities, where he helped lead the club to a Midwest League Championship title. He joined the Astros after a three-year coaching stint at Point Loma Nazarene University.

[BC developmental coach Nate] Shaver has over a decade of coaching experience at various levels, most recently at Wake Technical Community College.Shaver played one year with the Joliet Slammers of the Independent League, and two years at Division I New Mexico State University.

Ray Hernandez joins the Astros as development coach at Fresno after spending the last three years as pitching coach at Cosumnes River College in Sacramento, Calif. Hernandez pitched in the Arizona Diamondbacks minor league system from 2011-13.

[BC pitching coach] Drew French is coming off of two seasons at Lee University (DII) as an assistant coach, and three seasons at Florida International University (DI). Prior to that, he spent four seasons at Alabama, three of which he was Director of Baseball Operations.

[CC pitching coach Bill] Murphy was the pitching coach at Brown University following a stint as co-manager and pitching coach for the Northwoods Collegiate League Battle Creek Bombers. Murphy graduated from Rutgers University in 2010 with a bachelor's degree in psychology and a minor in history. While at Rutgers, he was a pitcher on the baseball team for three years.

Why that emphasis? Here's what Luhnow says in a just-published interview with his old employer McKinsey&Company about getting players to buy in:

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We hired an extra coach in the minor leagues at each level. We found enough players who had played in college, maybe one year in the minors and understood analytics. They could explain why we asked certain things of players, and the players began to trust them.

https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/organization/our-insights/the-organization-blog/houston-astros-winning-the-world-series-with-advanced-analytics

It seems that philosophy extends to other coaching positions and even managers. Neither Linares nor Ensberg are exactly old but younger guys (such as Bell who at age 27 was the second youngest manager this season in affiliated ball) who grew up in the analytics era may be the preferred player development type for the Astros. Darryl Robinson is 51 and may have been considered too "old school" as well. There are still some exceptions of course--Dyar Miller for example is 72 and seems to be retaining his job but he has Cardinals connections to both Luhnow and Brent Strom.

Maybe I'm completely off base (and like I said above it's probably foolish to even speculate) but this is the best rationale I can come up with.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2018, 12:58:52 am by Nate Colbert »

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Re: Rodney Linares Article
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2018, 07:44:45 am »
Nate, your response is so thorough and helpful.  Just another example of why we pay you the big bucks.