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Ranger or not...
« on: July 26, 2017, 11:16:30 pm »
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2017, 07:41:50 am »
The score of that game last night was 22-10.  Woah.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2017, 07:47:47 am »
Darvish doesn't help Texas in the trade market by giving up 10 runs on 9 hits (or was it 9 runs on 10 hits) in 3.2 innings.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2017, 09:46:10 am »
That's hilarious.  Gerry Davis is such an ass.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2017, 01:28:06 pm »
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2017, 01:58:32 pm »
Meanwhile, Will Little just ejected Stroman and Martin on the same close pitch.

There's a system now that calls balls and strikes in real time.  I've seen it on my TV.  I think it's time.

Blue at home plate can call HBP, pitches in the dirt, foul tips and plays at the plate but, given that the entire art of pitching is about fooling the person watching the pitch as to its location, having a human - who couldn't catch on as a player - calling balls and strikes is now just silly.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 02:23:17 pm »
There's a system now that calls balls and strikes in real time.  I've seen it on my TV.  I think it's time.

Blue at home plate can call HBP, pitches in the dirt, foul tips and plays at the plate but, given that the entire art of pitching is about fooling the person watching the pitch as to its location, having a human - who couldn't catch on as a player - calling balls and strikes is now just silly.

If the league is going to embrace human fallibility the humans applying that fallibility ought to be a tad more humble about it.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 02:26:08 pm »
There's a system now that calls balls and strikes in real time.  I've seen it on my TV.  I think it's time.

Blue at home plate can call HBP, pitches in the dirt, foul tips and plays at the plate but, given that the entire art of pitching is about fooling the person watching the pitch as to its location, having a human - who couldn't catch on as a player - calling balls and strikes is now just silly.

Been on board with this for 2 years now.  Batters/Hitters have always said, we don't care where the strike zone is, just be consistent.  There is nothing more consistent than the computer K zone.

 Pace of play is an issue that regularly comes up, this would cut out all the whining about balls and strikes from batters, pitcher, managers.   There is nothing to argue anymore.  It would take some of the fun of the game in terms of yelling at the ump tho...

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 02:29:06 pm »
Pace of play is an issue that regularly comes up, this would cut out all the whining about balls and strikes from batters, pitcher, managers.   There is nothing to argue anymore.  It would take some of the fun of the game in terms of yelling at the ump tho...

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 02:29:52 pm »
Beltran cheats a little by moving out of the on deck circle so that he can get as close to line of site of the pitcher and the plate.  So the ump called him on it, then he moves the circle, which is supposed to be 37' from home plate.  I noticed him in the shot behind home plate the last time we played the rangers while Giles was pitching.  He got a hit.

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 08:38:09 pm »
I don't see why Beltre gets a pass in this deal. The rule say you can't say and where he was standing. The ump asks him to move back to the proper location. He acts like an ass. Everyone cheers him and blasts the ump. Everybody has their problem with authority and rules I guess.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 08:52:19 pm »
I don't see why Beltre gets a pass in this deal. The rule say you can't say and where he was standing. The ump asks him to move back to the proper location. He acts like an ass. Everyone cheers him and blasts the ump. Everybody has their problem with authority and rules I guess.
That's kind of what I was thinking. I like Beltre and I laughed at the stunt, but the ump was absolutely right to toss him and I do not understand why anyone is trashing him for doing so. Is he just a known asshole or something?

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 09:07:10 pm »
I don't see why Beltre gets a pass in this deal. The rule say you can't say and where he was standing. The ump asks him to move back to the proper location. He acts like an ass. Everyone cheers him and blasts the ump. Everybody has their problem with authority and rules I guess.

I'm curious to ask those who thought it was an overreaction from the ump, what exactly was he supposed to do there?

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 11:56:56 pm »
I'm curious to ask those who thought it was an overreaction from the ump, what exactly was he supposed to do there?
It's a common practice for many major league hitters to creep out from the ODC to get a better view of the pitcher. If the umpire is going to be strict about adhering to the rule, why wait 'til the 4 at bat. Beltre likes to clown but at that point the ump would have nothing of it. He could have told Beltre to put the ODC back but ump chose to toss Beltre instead. I like Beltre as a player but fuck the Rangers.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2017, 12:30:51 am »
It's a common practice for many major league hitters to creep out from the ODC to get a better view of the pitcher. If the umpire is going to be strict about adhering to the rule, why wait 'til the 4 at bat. Beltre likes to clown but at that point the ump would have nothing of it. He could have told Beltre to put the ODC back but ump chose to toss Beltre instead. I like Beltre as a player but fuck the Rangers.



Yeah there's plenty of creeping but Beltre pushes it. Is it ok because Beltre likes to act "cute" when he breaks the rules? I doubt that this was an issue just in this one moment. I'd put money on  the HPU having warned him to back up in previous AB's. But you know what happens when you assume... I found out in last nights GZ...

Imagine if a rookie had pulled a stunt like this. Isn't baseball supposed to be about more than someone's ego? Beltre did something that was silly at best. More like someone that feels "certain rules don't apply to me" is my read. He pulled a spring training gag in the middle of a season where his team is still in it. I doubt those antics would go over too well here if anyone on the the 25 man roster did it.

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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2017, 06:32:02 am »
It's a common practice for many major league hitters to creep out from the ODC to get a better view of the pitcher. If the umpire is going to be strict about adhering to the rule, why wait 'til the 4 at bat. Beltre likes to clown but at that point the ump would have nothing of it. He could have told Beltre to put the ODC back but ump chose to toss Beltre instead. I like Beltre as a player but fuck the Rangers.

My guess is that he didn't wait til the fourth at at, it'd been going on all game. Or perhaps the pitcher complained that time. I don't know. I just don't think there's a reason to blame the ump unless you're just looking for an excuse to blame the ump.  What Beltre was doing was clearly in violation of the rules. The ump asked him to move. Beltre responded by being as ass.   
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2017, 10:50:57 am »

Imagine if a rookie had pulled a stunt like this. Isn't baseball supposed to be about more than someone's ego? Beltre did something that was silly at best. More like someone that feels "certain rules don't apply to me" is my read. He pulled a spring training gag in the middle of a season where his team is still in it. I doubt those antics would go over too well here if anyone on the the 25 man roster did it.

I think that' s an important difference.  Beltre is a hall of famer, not a rookie.
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Re: Ranger or not...
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2017, 07:46:22 am »
I think that' s an important difference.  Beltre is a hall of famer, not a rookie.
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