Author Topic: Astros @ Blue Jays June 7, 2015 (Read 11098 times)

Mr. Happy · « **on:** June 07, 2015, 09:54:27 am »

Your lineups for today's matinee, as the Good Guys attempt to avoid a brooming north of the border:

Astros

RFGeorge Springer (R)
2BJose Altuve (R)
DHEvan Gattis (R)
LFColby Rasmus (L)
1BChris Carter (R)
3BLuis Valbuena (L)
SSJonathan Villar (S)
CJason Castro (L)
CFJake Marisnick (R)

HOU: Collin McHugh (R) (6-2, 4.33)

Blue Jays

SS Jose Reyes (S)
3B Josh Donaldson (R)
RF Jose Bautista (R)
LF Chris Colabello (R)
DH Dioner Navarro (S)
C Russell Martin (R)
1B Justin Smoak (S)
CF Kevin Pillar (R)
2B Ryan Goins (L)

TOR: R.A. Dickey (R) (2-6, 5.53)

Reuben · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:29:21 pm »

Oof. Colabello just tried to draw a pretzel in the LF grass on his way to trying to catch Rasmus' routine fly ball. Colby gets a double out of it.

doyce7 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:32:53 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 12:29:21 pm

Oof. Colabello just tried to draw a pretzel in the LF grass on his way to trying to catch Rasmus' routine fly ball. Colby gets a double out of it.

Looked like a backup high school jv outfielder on that play

Reuben · « **Reply #3 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:33:41 pm »

And Rasmus scores on a WP, almost Jeremy-Giambi'ed himself into being out at the plate when Martin got to the carem quickly.

Villar chooses to bat RH vs. Dickey, but K's looking anyway.

1-1 game as Bautista hit a dong to straight CF in the 1st.

Reuben · « **Reply #4 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:35:06 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 12:32:53 pm

Looked like a backup high school jv outfielder on that play

Watching Donaldson catch Valbuena's foul pop, I wonder if Calobolle lost it in the sun, too.

juliogotay · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:37:07 pm »

Good thing for the passed ball (or WP whatever) otherwise they would not have cashed in on this total gift run.

Reuben · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:37:15 pm »

Dioner Navarro trying to transform himself into a Prince Fielder clone, now that he's reduced to DHing. He's succeeding, at least from a physique standpoint.

Reuben · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:43:49 pm »

McHugh with a filthy, nasty, disgustingly-good hammer to strike out Pillar to end the 2nd.

doyce7 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:48:05 pm »

Hey! Jake Marisnick sighting

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:48:08 pm »

Marisnick!

HR makes it 2-1 Stros in the 3rd.

Reuben · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:48:49 pm »

Blum with another spot-on one-liner: "He set everyone in this ballpark up for that one..."

(for those not watching, Jake took two 81-mph "fastballs" right down the middle after getting ahead 3-0 in the count. Then he crushed a 3-2 knuckler (?))

Reuben · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:03:17 pm »

Fuck Yeah! McHugh gets Bautista to 6-4-3 to escape a 2-on, 1-out jam.

doyce7 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:05:05 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 12:48:49 pm

Blum with another spot-on one-liner: "He set everyone in this ballpark up for that one..."

(for those not watching, Jake took two 81-mph "fastballs" right down the middle after getting ahead 3-0 in the count. Then he crushed a 3-2 knuckler (?))

Blum is in top form today. He's had couple of fine oneliners

Reuben · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:07:38 pm »

First pitch to Carter bounces out of Martin's glove, and the ump calls a clear strike Ball 1 as a result.

... then makes up for it by calling the up-and-in 3-1 pitch a strike.

Carter walks anyway.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:10:34 pm »

Valbuena strikes out, passed ball moves Carter to 2B

Gattis flies out to end the inning.

Still 2-1 Astros.

doyce7 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:14:39 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 01:10:34 pm

Valbuena strikes out, passed ball moves Carter to 2B

Gattis flies out to end the inning.

Still 2-1 Astros.

*villar flies out

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:17:41 pm »

Martin with a 2-run homer to give the Jays the lead back 3-2 in the 4th.

Reuben · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:17:59 pm »

Shitfuck. 2-run Homer, Martin. Right after a blown call by HPU.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:18:27 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 01:14:39 pm

*villar flies out

Oops...had Gattis on the brain for some reason.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:27:10 pm »

T5:

Springer with a 2-out HBP

Altuve...3-2 pitch, Springer on the move...swings at one in the dirt and flies out F8 to end the inning.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:45:54 pm »

T6:

Gattis hits one 9,000 mph down the left field line that was still rising at it hit the wall...but foul...then proceeds to hit one 9,000 mph, but right at the third baseman for out number one.

Reuben · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:47:24 pm »

Colabello... clearly owed Rasmus a couple big favors.

Reuben · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:49:38 pm »

Hmmm. Surprised Rasmus couldn't move up to 2nd on that ball that went 10-15 ft right behind Martin.

Reuben · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:51:19 pm »

HPU having a shitty game.

jbm · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:51:56 pm »

This ump is awful. Randomly awful, which is the worst.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:52:23 pm »

Home plate umpire having a real bad day.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:54:18 pm »

T6:

Rasmus singles...sits with his thumb up his butt as a pitch gets by Martin
Carter strikes out swinging
Valbuena...0 for his last 13...pitch over his head called a strike...works to the count full, so Rasmus should take off...perhaps he won't...takes ball four. Rasmus to 2B.
Villar...with 2 on, 2 out...works it 3-0...walks to load the bases

That's it for Dickey.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2015, 01:58:27 pm »

T6:

Lefty Loup in for the BJ's...

Conger will pinch hit for Castro with three chickens in the yard...looks silly as he strikes out.

Ugh.

doyce7 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:00:31 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 01:58:27 pm

T6:

Lefty Loup in for the BJ's...

Conger will pinch hit for Castro with three chickens in the yard...looks silly as he strikes out.

Ugh.

I would have liked to see Castro stay in there. Why did we get conger again? Corp was a serviceable back up.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #29 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:02:15 pm »

B6:

Martin with a little chopper to 3B...Valbuena kicks it was Martin trots down the line...Valbuena grabs it then drops it again...E5

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:06:15 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:02:15 pm

B6:

Martin with a little chopper to 3B...Valbuena kicks it was Martin trots down the line...Valbuena grabs it then drops it again...E5

From the LF camera it looked like the ball took a shitty hop off the rug.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:07:03 pm »

Carter throwing the leather around at 1B...diving stop to end the inning!

juliogotay · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:07:07 pm »

Carter has surpassed any expectations I had of him defensively.

Reuben · « **Reply #33 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:07:18 pm »

Holy shit, great diving play by Carter.

Reuben · « **Reply #34 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:08:36 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on June 07, 2015, 02:06:15 pm

From the LF camera it looked like the ball took a shitty hop off the rug.

I thought he let that ball play him. Could've charged and gotten a much better hop.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:08:55 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 07, 2015, 02:07:07 pm

Carter has surpassed any expectations I had of him defensively.

Out of curiosity, why did you expect him to be bad with the glove?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #36 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:09:50 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 02:08:36 pm

I thought he let that ball play him. Could've charged and gotten a much better hop.

He laid back and got the big hop. I didn't think it was that bad except he just didn't catch it.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:10:51 pm »

T7;

Marisnick leads off with a HBP
Springer with a single to RF, Marisnick to 2B

Astros get something working with nobody out.

juliogotay · « **Reply #38 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:12:00 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 02:00:31 pm

I would have liked to see Castro stay in there. Why did we get conger again? Corp was a serviceable back up.

I don't understand this deal either. Perez may be as good as Conger, in time, and Tropeano may be getting some starts now in Houston.

Reuben · « **Reply #39 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:12:31 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:09:50 pm

He laid back and got the big hop. I didn't think it was that bad except he just didn't catch it.

On turf, though, is it wise to get the big hop? It was head-high. Agree that it still looked very catchable for him.

jbm · « **Reply #40 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:13:25 pm »

Sweet! The good guys needed a break like that.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #41 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:14:11 pm »

Altuve...gets the count in his favor 2-0...hits a high chopper to 3B, Donaldson fields it, but falls down on the throw and throws it into RF...Marisnick scores, Springer to 3B on the TE5...we're tied up at 3

Altuve takes 2B, so runners at 2B and 3B for Gattis

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:15:06 pm »

Gattis with a 2-run double!!

Springer scores, Altuve scores, and the Astros take a 5-3 lead!!

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #43 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:15:23 pm »

GATTIS!

doyce7 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:15:36 pm »

Pillar did not read that well but hey I'll take it

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #45 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:15:59 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 02:12:31 pm

On turf, though, is it wise to get the big hop? It was head-high. Agree that it still looked very catchable for him.

It's always wise to get a big hop if you can. But you have to catch it.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:16:21 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:15:06 pm

Gattis with a 2-run double!!

That one was only 7,000 MPH but in the right place.

juliogotay · « **Reply #47 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:17:01 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:08:55 pm

Out of curiosity, why did you expect him to be bad with the glove?

I haven't had Astros on tv the last two years but it seemed to me he made a lot or errors or non-plays when he was at first the last couple of years. Wasn't sure of his athleticism.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #48 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:17:08 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 02:15:36 pm

Pillar did not read that well but hey I'll take it

He took a really bad route, then it was over his head. Ash and Blummer say it sounded like a broken bat, so he may have been fooled off the bat.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:17:37 pm »

Donaldson turns a double play ball into a big inning. He sure likes to jump around out there - often to no purpose.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:19:10 pm »

Rasmus smokes one up the middle, but with the shift on, it's right at the SS, who fields it on the 1B side of 2B...but Gattis to 3B with one out.

Carter with a Sac Fly, Gattis scores to make it 6-3.

Nice inning boys, way to take advantage of a break.

Reuben · « **Reply #51 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:19:35 pm »

Well done Chris Carter.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #52 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:20:12 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on June 07, 2015, 02:16:21 pm

That one was only 7,000 MPH but in the right place.

He's stung a couple of balls today. Nice to see one of them finally pay off.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:21:15 pm »

Valbuena down on strikes to end the inning, but the Astros make the Jays pay for the error and score 4.

At the stretch...6-3 Good Guys.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:22:53 pm »

B7:

Will Harris in for the Astros

Reuben · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:23:40 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on June 07, 2015, 02:17:37 pm

Donaldson turns a double play ball into a big inning. He sure likes to jump around out there - often to no purpose.

He owes us a few more of those, considering how much of an Astro-killah he's been the last couple years.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #56 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:24:14 pm »

Reyes hammers one, but right at Springer as Springer catches it over his head running straight back. Nice play George.

Reuben · « **Reply #57 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:25:06 pm »

I love this outfield. Have the Astros ever had a better 3 across?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:25:27 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on June 07, 2015, 02:17:37 pm

Donaldson turns a double play ball into a big inning. He sure likes to jump around out there - often to no purpose.

He probably doesn't get two with Altuve running, but it certainly cost them a few runs.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #59 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:27:42 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 02:25:06 pm

I love this outfield. Have the Astros ever had a better 3 across?

Rasmus, Marisnick and Springer are as good as it gets. I can't remember them being better in the outfield.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #60 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:28:06 pm »

Bautista with his second dinger of the game, cuts the lead to 6-4.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #61 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:31:12 pm »

Donaldson gets framed by The Framer. Big SO limits Bautista to a solo.

juliogotay · « **Reply #62 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:33:06 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 02:25:06 pm

I love this outfield. Have the Astros ever had a better 3 across?

Maybe not but Cruz, Cedeno, Puhl covered a lot of ground. And Cruz, Hatcher, Bass were pretty good.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #63 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:36:31 pm »

T8:

Conger with a 1-out single
Marisnick follows with a little flair that drops in, Conger to 2B to bring up the top of the order in Springer, who's been on all four times today.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #64 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:37:56 pm »

And Springer takes strike three right down the middle. That hurt.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #65 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:38:44 pm »

Altuve grounds into FC, Marisnick out 5-4. That inning ended weakly.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #66 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:39:01 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:37:56 pm

And Springer takes strike three right down the middle. That hurt.

Swinging at those first 2 sliders did him in.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:41:10 pm »

B8:

Neshek in for the Astros.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #68 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:42:51 pm »

Navarro hammers one right at Valbuena for out number one. Only one infielder on the left side, and it's a bullet right at him.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #69 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:46:04 pm »

Neshek issues a 2-out walk to Smoak, Neshek's first pass of the season. Tying run to the plate.

juliogotay · « **Reply #70 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:46:17 pm »

I wonder if Harris and Qualls have switched roles in the pen.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #71 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:47:11 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 07, 2015, 02:46:17 pm

I wonder if Harris and Qualls have switched roles in the pen.

Harris needs to be a regular arm out there, Qualls a fill in.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #72 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:47:41 pm »

Neshek works around the walk to end the Jays' 8th. Headed to the 9th...Astros up 6-4

juliogotay · « **Reply #73 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:47:50 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 02:47:11 pm

Harris needs to be a regular arm out there, Qualls a fill in.

Agree.

Reuben · « **Reply #74 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:48:55 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 07, 2015, 02:33:06 pm

Maybe not but Cruz, Cedeno, Puhl covered a lot of ground. And Cruz, Hatcher, Bass were pretty good.

Looking at the starters by year on BB-ref, it seems the Astros have always had their best CFs flanked by lackluster corner OFs:

Wynn had the likes of Staub and Lee Maye beside him.
Cedeno had Wynn in RF for a few years, but Bob Watson in LF (I'm guessing he was no Rasmus).
Steve Finley had Luis Gonzalez and either Eric Anthony or Tuffy Rhodes.
Brian Hunter had Gonzalez and Derek Bell.
Beltran in '04 had Berkman and Biggio.
Willy T had Burke among a rotating LF cast.
Bourn had Pence and Carlos Lee.

It looks like the Cruz-Cedeno-Puhl OF was not together for very long, and my understanding is Cedeno was not the same in CF by that point ('78-'81).

doyce7 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:56:44 pm »

Did I just see Carter steal 2B? I could have sworn that's what I saw

Reuben · « **Reply #76 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:58:04 pm »

Carter steals off Russell Martin and a high-90's FB hurler; will now be able to talk shit to Springer, who got thrown out earlier despite running on DIckey's high-70's knuckler.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #77 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:58:23 pm »

T9:

Astros trying to play add on...

Gattis pops out to the catcher
Rasmus flies out to deep LCF
Carter draws a 2-out walk
Carter steals 2B!, his first of the season
Valbuena, who I think is 0 fer June...and Donaldson returns the favor...only infielder on that side and Valbuena hits a bullet right at him to end the inning.

We go to the bottom of the 9th...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #78 on:** June 07, 2015, 02:59:26 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 02:58:04 pm

Carter steals off Russell Martin and a high-90's FB hurler; will now be able to talk shit to Springer, who got thrown out earlier despite running on DIckey's high-70's knuckler.

Well, he stole that off the pitcher...Martin never had a shot at him.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #79 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:01:27 pm »

B9:

Gregerson in to try to close it out...

Kawasaki, not to be confused with Suzuki, flips a ball off the dirt down the LF line, and it bounces into the stands for a leadoff double

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #80 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:03:58 pm »

Tying run at the plate in form of leadoff hitter Reyes...

And Reyes singles up the middle, Kawasaki scores to make it 6-5 and bring the winning run to the plate with nobody out.

Reuben · « **Reply #81 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:04:29 pm »

Not cool, Luke.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #82 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:04:33 pm »

Gotta assume the Reyes will take 2B because Conger's not gonna throw anyone out.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #83 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:05:54 pm »

Donaldson hammers one on a line right at Rasmus in LF. Reyes stays at 1B.

Brings up Bautista who has two dingers already today.

juliogotay · « **Reply #84 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:06:04 pm »

Everythng is getting hit hard off Gregerson.

jbm · « **Reply #85 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:06:25 pm »

Damn, that out offsets the cheap hit to start the inning.

Reuben · « **Reply #86 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:06:35 pm »

Great job by the advance scouts on that liner. Rasmus was positioned perfectly.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #87 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:08:46 pm »

Gregerson gets ahead of Bautista 0-2...Reyes easily takes 2B

jbm · « **Reply #88 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:09:20 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 03:08:46 pm

Gregerson gets ahead of Bautista 0-2...Reyes easily takes 2B

I consider it a win when Conger keeps them to one.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #89 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:09:56 pm »

With tying run in scoring position...Bautista pops up and Villar trips over Reyes and drops it.

Reuben · « **Reply #90 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:10:14 pm »

WHAT. THE FUCK.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #91 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:10:52 pm »

Altuve called that, then Villar called him off when he shouldn't have.

juliogotay · « **Reply #92 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:11:05 pm »

return of the clown show. Good teams just don't do this shit. And usually Villar is in the picture. Hinch has no argument here .

Reuben · « **Reply #93 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:11:16 pm »

WHY did he fucking call off Altuve? Fucking hell, Villar.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #94 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:11:38 pm »

Well there's something you don't see everyday. Why doesn't Altuve play that? He called for it?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #95 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:12:38 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on June 07, 2015, 03:11:38 pm

Well there's something you don't see everyday. Why doesn't Altuve play that? He called for it?

SS normally has priority, but that's shitty luck.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #96 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:13:03 pm »

Well, tying run still at 2B, double play in order.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #97 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:14:13 pm »

Colabello...down 0-2...double steal now takes the double play out of order and tying run at 3B winning run at 2B with one out.

Reuben · « **Reply #98 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:14:33 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 03:13:03 pm

Well, tying run still at 2B, double play in order.

Or not.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #99 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:14:42 pm »

Infield now has to come in...need a punch out here.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #100 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:15:12 pm »

Colabello singles up the middle, two runs score and Astros lose 7-6.

Reuben · « **Reply #101 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:15:46 pm »

Fucking SHIT. That sucks bad.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #102 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:15:49 pm »

Once again...the other team running at will on the bases cost them a game.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #103 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:16:07 pm »

Well, fuck.

juliogotay · « **Reply #104 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:16:13 pm »

And Sale tomorrow.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #105 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:16:27 pm »

Sale tomorrow.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #106 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:17:14 pm »

Ouch, that hurt.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #107 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:17:15 pm »

Fuck Sale.

doyce7 · « **Reply #108 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:17:47 pm »

I can't believe the shit I just saw. Fuck

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #109 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:24:06 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:17:47 pm

I can't believe the shit I just saw. Fuck

That was some serious dick stepping. Fuckshit.

doyce7 · « **Reply #110 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:40:40 pm »

Would have been nice to have Castro out there to at least make Reyes think about not stealing 3rd. Oh yeah and not having a shortstop who is not a complete retard and I'm pretty sure has almost single handedly lost us more than 1 game this year.

jbm · « **Reply #111 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:44:50 pm »

I think that's a bit hard on Villar. I consider it more misfortune than gigantic fuckup. I doubt that situation has happened much in his experience.

It wouldn't have been an easy catch for Altuve either, although he probably would have caught it.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #112 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:45:02 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:40:40 pm

Would have been nice to have Castro out there to at least make Reyes think about not stealing 3rd. Oh yeah and not having a shortstop who is not a complete retard and I'm pretty sure has almost single handedly lost us more than 1 game this year.

What did you expect Villar to do? He's supposed to call for that ball. It led him right into the runner. It sucks, I know, but what he fuck do you want out of him?

doyce7 · « **Reply #113 on:** June 07, 2015, 03:51:38 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 03:45:02 pm

What did you expect Villar to do? He's supposed to call for that ball. It led him right into the runner. It sucks, I know, but what he fuck do you want out of him?

I know he is "supposed" to call for it because he's the shortstop but when the best player on your team calls for it and is in position to make the play Villar needs to back off and let Altuve make the play. Villar is a role player and Altuve the star. I want the star taking charge and role player to back off.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #114 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:04:20 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:51:38 pm

I know he is "supposed" to call for it because he's the shortstop but when the best player on your team calls for it and is in position to make the play Villar needs to back off and let Altuve make the play. Villar is a role player and Altuve the star. I want the star taking charge and role player to back off.

That's nuts. The SS has priority on that ball. Who's the "star" has nothing to do with it. That's Villar's ball. It was a freak play. That doesn't mean you re-write the rules of infield play.

Reuben · « **Reply #115 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:05:15 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:51:38 pm

I know he is "supposed" to call for it because he's the shortstop but when the best player on your team calls for it and is in position to make the play Villar needs to back off and let Altuve make the play. Villar is a role player and Altuve the star. I want the star taking charge and role player to back off.

I agree with you that in this instance Altuve had the better angle to make the catch, but "star player" status doesn't have anything to do with it. If your star player is a LF, your scrub CF can and should call him off when he feels like a ball is his. Same thing with a SS calling off a 2B, from what I understand.

doyce7 · « **Reply #116 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:21:21 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 07, 2015, 04:04:20 pm

That's nuts. The SS has priority on that ball. Who's the "star" has nothing to do with it. That's Villar's ball. It was a freak play. That doesn't mean you re-write the rules of infield play.

SS only has priority because in most cases the SS is the best defensive player and is only on the field for defense. Villar is only on the field because correa is in Fresno. Why can't a 2B be the guy with priority on a certain team if he's the best defender? Just because that's not the way it's always been? Bad reasoning to me. Let the better defender take charge, that's Altuve.

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 04:05:15 pm

I agree with you that in this instance Altuve had the better angle to make the catch, but "star player" status doesn't have anything to do with it. If your star player is a LF, your scrub CF can and should call him off when he feels like a ball is his. Same thing with a SS calling off a 2B, from what I understand.

It's a little different in the outfield because generally the best defender plays CF anyway.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #117 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:24:57 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:21:21 pm

SS only has priority because in most cases the SS is the best defensive player and is only on the field for defense. Villar is only on the field because correa is in Fresno. Why can't a 2B be the guy with priority on a certain team if he's the best defender? Just because that's not the way it's always been? Bad reasoning to me. Let the better defender take charge, that's Altuve.It's a little different in the outfield because generally the best defender plays CF anyway.

Good grief. Put down the shovel.

Reuben · « **Reply #118 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:28:42 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:21:21 pm

SS only has priority because in most cases the SS is the best defensive player and is only on the field for defense. Villar is only on the field because correa is in Fresno. Why can't a 2B be the guy with priority on a certain team if he's the best defender? Just because that's not the way it's always been? Bad reasoning to me. Let the better defender take charge, that's Altuve.
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It's a little different in the outfield because generally the best defender plays CF anyway.

Um, generally (almost always, in fact), the best defender in the IF plays SS. The scenario you're talking about would require the Astros to get together in the clubhouse and say "OK, guys, we all know Villar is a sucky fielder - don't look so shocked, Jonny V, you know it's true - so in contrast to how we and every other baseball team always naturally do things, we're gonna decide that Altuve here has priority on pop-ups. Now everyone be sure to remember that major change, whenever Villar happens to be playing SS." I just can't see that happening.

The root problem, you might say, is that the Astros are making a very questionable fielder the captain of the infield, because that's what a SS is.

Hey, JdJO seemed to think Correa might be called up in time for the White Sox series - which starts tomorrow - so maybe this'll all be moot very soon.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #119 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:37:51 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 04:28:42 pm

Um, generally (almost always, in fact), the best defender in the IF plays SS. The scenario you're talking about would require the Astros to get together in the clubhouse and say "OK, guys, we all know Villar is a sucky fielder - don't look so shocked, Jonny V, you know it's true - so in contrast to how we and every other baseball team always naturally do things, we're gonna decide that Altuve here has priority on pop-ups. Now everyone be sure to remember that major change, whenever Villar happens to be playing SS." I just can't see that happening.

The root problem, you might say, is that the Astros are making a very questionable fielder the captain of the infield, because that's what a SS is.

Hey, JdJO seemed to think Correa might be called up in time for the White Sox series - which starts tomorrow - so maybe this'll all be moot very soon.

It's not just about being "the best fielder". The CFer has priority on fly balls because of where he's positioned. The third baseman cuts the ball off from the SS on ground balls because of where he's positioned. The first baseman has priority over the catcher and pitcher on popups because of where he's positioned. To suggest that there should be some sort of "star hierarchy" is insane.

jbm · « **Reply #120 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:40:35 pm »

I know it's heresy to ask because he appears to be everyone's favorite goat, but if Correa gets the call up, is it definitely Villar that moves down?

JimR · « **Reply #121 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:41:57 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:40:40 pm

Would have been nice to have Castro out there to at least make Reyes think about not stealing 3rd. Oh yeah and not having a shortstop who is not a complete retard and I'm pretty sure has almost single handedly lost us more than 1 game this year.

I could not wait to come on here to see Villar get blamed.

Complete retard, you say?

doyce7 · « **Reply #122 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:42:12 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 04:28:42 pm

Um, generally (almost always, in fact), the best defender in the IF plays SS. The scenario you're talking about would require the Astros to get together in the clubhouse and say "OK, guys, we all know Villar is a sucky fielder - don't look so shocked, Jonny V, you know it's true - so in contrast to how we and every other baseball team always naturally do things, we're gonna decide that Altuve here has priority on pop-ups. Now everyone be sure to remember that major change, whenever Villar happens to be playing SS." I just can't see that happening.

The root problem, you might say, is that the Astros are making a very questionable fielder the captain of the infield, because that's what a SS is.

Hey, JdJO seemed to think Correa might be called up in time for the White Sox series - which starts tomorrow - so maybe this'll all be moot very soon.

I see your point and this is the last I'll say of. It doesn't have to be a spoken thing. It could happen over time, Altuve just starts taking charge on pop flies at least on the right side of 2B and eventually the ones around the bag. At some point it becomes apparent that Altuve has calling off power. I guess I just disagree with the notion and always have, that position played dictates who can call off who. I really hope correa does get called up, and villar goes back down.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #123 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:43:42 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 07, 2015, 04:40:35 pm

I know it's heresy to ask because he appears to be everyone's favorite goat, but if Correa gets the call up, is it definitely Villar that moves down?

If they keep insisting on carrying 13 pitchers, who else could it be? You're only carrying four outfielders, so it's either Villar or Marwin, and Marwin has far more versatility.

JimR · « **Reply #124 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:44:24 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:51:38 pm

I know he is "supposed" to call for it because he's the shortstop but when the best player on your team calls for it and is in position to make the play Villar needs to back off and let Altuve make the play. Villar is a role player and Altuve the star. I want the star taking charge and role player to back off.

You are FOS. Serious FOS.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #125 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:46:47 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:42:12 pm

I see your point and this is the last I'll say of. It doesn't have to be a spoken thing. It could happen over time, Altuve just starts taking charge on pop flies at least on the right side of 2B and eventually the ones around the bag. At some point it becomes apparent that Altuve has calling off power. I guess I just disagree with the notion and always have, that position played dictates who can call off who. I really hope correa does get called up, and villar goes back down.

Fielding priority doesn't just evolve organically. There are rules to keep guys from running into each other and make sure someone is covering an open base. The SS has priority on a popup over the 2B bag. That's just the way it is. On your team, you tell them to take charge or give way based on "unspoken feel" and see how it works out for you.

JimR · « **Reply #126 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:51:07 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:42:12 pm

I see your point and this is the last I'll say of. It doesn't have to be a spoken thing. It could happen over time, Altuve just starts taking charge on pop flies at least on the right side of 2B and eventually the ones around the bag. At some point it becomes apparent that Altuve has calling off power. I guess I just disagree with the notion and always have, that position played dictates who can call off who. I really hope correa does get called up, and villar goes back down.

Have you ever actually played baseball? There are rules for defense, and the rules control, not who is the "star."

I think Reyes had to allow him the opportunity to make a play, not get off the base, of course, but allow him space.

doyce7 · « **Reply #127 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:51:56 pm »

Look I admit the star vs role player thing is dumb. And I understand the reason certain positions have priority, like 3B on ground balls, 1B on pop ups rather than C or P. But 2B and SS are the same position just on different sides of the bag. I've been on teams where the 2B took charge and everything worked out just fine. Outfielders are also supposed to call off infielders if they can get to the ball but the often don't.

JimR · « **Reply #128 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:55:51 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:51:56 pm

Look I admit the star vs role player thing is dumb. And I understand the reason certain positions have priority, like 3B on ground balls, 1B on pop ups rather than C or P. But 2B and SS are the same position just on different sides of the bag. I've been on teams where the 2B took charge and everything worked out just fine. Outfielders are also supposed to call off infielders if they can get to the ball but the often don't.

I wrote an article once on rules of defense. It is on the main page.

If anOF on a team I coached did not call off an INF,I had a chat with him. The rules are not optional.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #129 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:56:22 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 04:51:56 pm

Look I admit the star vs role player thing is dumb. And I understand the reason certain positions have priority, like 3B on ground balls, 1B on pop ups rather than C or P. But 2B and SS are the same position just on different sides of the bag. I've been on teams where the 2B took charge and everything worked out just fine. Outfielders are also supposed to call off infielders if they can get to the ball but the often don't.

SS and 2B are not the same position. And even if they were, you have to have rules about who has priority to ensure a) they don't run into each other and b) someone covers 2B. It's not about who's the star. It's not about who you think is the better fielder. It's not something that just happens. Today's play sucked, and Villar has been inconsistent. But the SS has priority on that play. On this team and every other beyond Little League.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #130 on:** June 07, 2015, 04:59:10 pm »

Fuck, the game is still probably tied up even if Villar or Altuve makes the catch. There was a lot more wrong in the 9th than that play.

JimR · « **Reply #131 on:** June 07, 2015, 05:08:16 pm »

Greggerson was not sharp, and that damn doink hit did not help.

MusicMan · « **Reply #132 on:** June 07, 2015, 06:29:27 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 07, 2015, 03:40:40 pm

a complete retard

Is the 7 in your user name your age or the last grade you completed? Because most primates have learned to not throw that word around.

moriartp · « **Reply #133 on:** June 07, 2015, 07:15:33 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on June 07, 2015, 06:29:27 pm

Is the 7 in your user name your age or the last grade you completed? Because most primates have learned to not throw that word around.

Amen. Few easier ways of announcing one's ignorance.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #134 on:** June 07, 2015, 07:46:39 pm »

I just hate it when people say the R-word. It's kind of like the N-word. Funny thing is, I use the fuck out of the F-word.