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Was this really necessary?
« on: October 30, 2012, 01:50:06 pm »
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 01:56:39 pm »
Going to replace him with a guy from BP.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 01:59:28 pm »
Is it possible that Suba isn't interested in having his contract renewed, and McTaggart is being his usual assfaced self?
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 03:00:41 pm »
The link didn't work for me on my Ipad. What's the gist? Suba isn't coming back either? It's a blood bath in Houston for the old regime.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 03:02:45 pm »
They got Matt Downs too.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 03:04:33 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on October 30, 2012, 03:00:41 pm
The link didn't work for me on my Ipad. What's the gist? Suba isn't coming back either? It's a blood bath in Houston for the old regime.

The gist is...for some reason, we don't know what, Suba isn't coming back.  Which obviously means that Crane and Luhnow are evil.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 03:10:46 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 30, 2012, 03:04:33 pm
The gist is...for some reason, we don't know what, Suba isn't coming back.  Which obviously means that Crane and Luhnow are evil.

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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 04:28:29 pm »
Ugh.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 05:05:20 pm »
Quote from: Andyzipp on October 30, 2012, 01:59:28 pm
Is it possible that Suba isn't interested in having his contract renewed, and McTaggart is being his usual assfaced self?

Sure it is possible.  But that wasn't the case. 

Astros just confirmed it in a press release.


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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 05:06:14 pm »
Sounds to me like Suba wanted to stay:

McTaggart McTweets:  Astros release statement on Strech Suba: "We recognize the many years of service that Strech has provided for the Houston Astros, but we’ve decided to go in another direction with our on-field staff. We thank Strech for all he has done for our organization and wish him the best in the future.”

Weird that it's "Strech" and not "Stretch."  I never knew that.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2012, 09:19:21 pm »
Footer weighs in on Suba: he’s not moving on. They’re kicking him out. There’s a difference.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 05:32:34 am »
Well, Stretch had a good run. Thirty-six years is a long time. Thirty-six years ago I was attending what was then known as Oklahoma Christian College and believe it or not Stretch was a recent grad and a semi legend as the first athlete drafted by a major league sports team. I'm guessing Stretch is about 58 years old. I have no idea how much he got paid or how much his wife made but he probably is set financially. Too bad if he wanted to stay but he had a hell of a run as far as bullpen catchers go.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2012, 06:25:05 am »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 31, 2012, 05:32:34 am
Well, Stretch had a good run. Thirty-six years is a long time. Thirty-six years ago I was attending what was then known as Oklahoma Christian College and believe it or not Stretch was a recent grad and a semi legend as the first athlete drafted by a major league sports team. I'm guessing Stretch is about 58 years old. I have no idea how much he got paid or how much his wife made but he probably is set financially. Too bad if he wanted to stay but he had a hell of a run as far as bullpen catchers go.

Bullpen catchers typically make a salary of around $50,000.  But they get extra for appearances and such, plus they get tipped by players.  All together, Strech probably made around $100,000/season.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2012, 06:26:55 am »
Quote from: moriartp on October 30, 2012, 09:19:21 pm
Footer weighs in on Suba: he’s not moving on. They’re kicking him out. There’s a difference.

Footer needs a huge dose of reality.  Teams regulary "kick out" coaching staff, especially when they get new owners, GMs and managers.  The implication that this somehow reflects poorly on the Astros' character is ridiculous.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2012, 08:14:48 am »
I'm also wondering how big of an impact the bullpen catcher had on the 2004-2005 playoff runs or the back-to-back 100-loss seasons.  My guess in either case is not much.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2012, 08:40:27 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 31, 2012, 06:25:05 am
Bullpen catchers typically make a salary of around $50,000.  But they get extra for appearances and such, plus they get tipped by players.  All together, Strech probably made around $100,000/season.
 

At the end.  He wasn't making 100k 36 years ago, or even 15 years ago.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2012, 08:41:55 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 31, 2012, 06:26:55 am
Footer needs a huge dose of reality.  Teams regulary "kick out" coaching staff, especially when they get new owners, GMs and managers.  The implication that this somehow reflects poorly on the Astros' character is ridiculous.

I guess no one likes to see their friends lose their jobs, so I can understand that.  But as bitter as she's come across about the changes the last several months, I'm beginning to wonder if she was also told to "move on".
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2012, 08:43:21 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 31, 2012, 06:26:55 am
Footer needs a huge dose of reality.  Teams regulary "kick out" coaching staff, especially when they get new owners, GMs and managers.  The implication that this somehow reflects poorly on the Astros' character is ridiculous.

I couldn't tell if she was slamming the Astros or the Chron on that.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2012, 08:47:18 am »
Quote from: Andyzipp on October 31, 2012, 08:40:27 am
 

At the end.  He wasn't making 100k 36 years ago, or even 15 years ago.

Yeah, that's in today's dollars.  36 years ago, it was probably about whatever the equivalent was
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2012, 08:49:08 am »
Quote from: Andyzipp on October 31, 2012, 08:41:55 am
I guess no one likes to see their friends lose their jobs, so I can understand that.  But as bitter as she's come across about the changes the last several months, I'm beginning to wonder if she was also told to "move on".

I can understand that too.  And I like Footer...but I don't know what's bugging her, and she's kind of been full of herself lately.  I think you may be on to something.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2012, 08:50:07 am »
Quote from: BUWebguy on October 31, 2012, 08:43:21 am
I couldn't tell if she was slamming the Astros or the Chron on that.

Appeared to me to be a clear swipe at the Astros.
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Re: Was this really necessary?
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2012, 09:37:53 am »
Quote from: Andyzipp on October 31, 2012, 08:41:55 am
I guess no one likes to see their friends lose their jobs, so I can understand that.  But as bitter as she's come across about the changes the last several months, I'm beginning to wonder if she was also told to "move on".

My guess, only because she left so quickly, is that she could read the writing on the wall and made a move before they said that to her. They might've had some meetings where they laid out their plans for restructuring and she could see how her role would've changed. Only a guess though.
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