Author Topic: KSU @ UT (Read 8016 times)

MusicMan · « **on:** February 28, 2011, 08:48:31 pm »

Just tuned in and have already seen the refs give the Horns three absolute no-lube jobs.

austro · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:00:07 pm »

Hamilton just got the fourth one.

roadrunner · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:03:03 pm »

Thank God for TT. Everyone else on the team is ice cold.

hostros7 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:03:36 pm »

Well, the horns just were fortunate K State didn't have a chance for a four point play. Kind of an ugly defensive game on both sides where bad calls can seem more prevalent than their effect on the game.

Lurch · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:23:24 pm »

Holy shit this team is flat

loganck · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:23:33 pm »

Hamilton is a disaster right now

roadrunner · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:25:40 pm »

Horns haven't made a 3 tonight, right?

What is Barnes telling this team at halftime?

MusicMan · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:26:16 pm »

Quote from: loganck on February 28, 2011, 09:23:33 pm

Hamilton is a disaster right now

Holy shit, a made shot out of working your offense. Go fucking figure.

loganck · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:30:33 pm »

KSU only has two guys scoring at all. Unfortunately, Texas only has one.

roadrunner · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:36:18 pm »

Has Joseph even hit the rim tonight?

austro · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:37:16 pm »

Quote from: roadrunner on February 28, 2011, 09:36:18 pm

Has Joseph even hit the rim tonight?

Those are a couple of the ugliest 3-pt attempts you'll ever see.

loganck · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:37:42 pm »

So much for them only having two scorers.

MusicMan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:38:46 pm »

Quote from: loganck on February 28, 2011, 09:37:42 pm

So much for them only having two scorers.

I blame you.

I'm going to find more booze.

Lurch · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:46:06 pm »

I'd bet if you combined all of the ESPN film, TT could have a personalized 30 minute free throw shooting lesson from Knight

MusicMan · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:48:17 pm »

Where are all the people that were claiming Hamilton was a POY candidate?

loganck · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:49:34 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on February 28, 2011, 09:48:17 pm

Where are all the people that were claiming Hamilton was a POY candidate?

He was, he just isn't anymore.

roadrunner · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:49:55 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on February 28, 2011, 09:48:17 pm

Where are all the people that were claiming Hamilton was a POY candidate?

I was one.

was

loganck · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:54:21 pm »

I'm surprised Brown isn't in.

shit.

MusicMan · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:54:58 pm »

The annual collapse is in full swing.

austro · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:56:12 pm »

Did Balbay just hurt his knee?

roadrunner · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:56:42 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on February 28, 2011, 09:54:58 pm

The annual collapse is in full swing.

At least it came a month later this year.

loganck · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:57:05 pm »

Those last two turnovers were ridiculous.

MusicMan · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:57:18 pm »

Quote from: roadrunner on February 28, 2011, 09:56:42 pm

At least it came a month later this year.

Whoop-dee-fucking-do.

MusicMan · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:58:58 pm »

C'mon, guys, prove me wrong.

loganck · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:02:39 pm »

Thanks, Knight.

loganck · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:04:36 pm »

Can anyone explain what's happened to the defense? They used to hold teams under sixty almost every game.

MusicMan · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:07:14 pm »

Quote from: loganck on February 28, 2011, 10:04:36 pm

Can anyone explain what's happened to the defense? They used to hold teams under sixty almost every game.

See Hamilton's "effort" on the last jumper. Played well for 26-27 seconds. Got soft, didn't stay with his man. 2 points.

They've forgotten what got them here.

roadrunner · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:07:42 pm »

Why do we abandon running an offense the last 4 minutes of close games? It's like everyone wants to be isolated.

loganck · « **Reply #28 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:09:03 pm »

3 seed?

MusicMan · « **Reply #29 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:10:12 pm »

Quote from: loganck on February 28, 2011, 10:09:03 pm

3 seed?

If we get hot.

roadrunner · « **Reply #30 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:11:48 pm »

I can't see this team winning in Waco.

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:18:05 pm »

Dear Brent Musburger:

Shut the fuck up.

Sincerely,
J'Covan Brown

roadrunner · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:20:35 pm »

Jeez I wonder how this one's going to end

austro · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:21:02 pm »

Quote from: loganck on February 28, 2011, 10:09:03 pm

3 seed?

In the Big 12 tournament, maybe.

JimR · « **Reply #34 on:** March 01, 2011, 07:53:20 am »

Hamilton was terrible, and Joseph? Good grief! Add up the guards' shooting, and there is the loss. Thompson got THREE shots the second half.

JimR · « **Reply #35 on:** March 01, 2011, 07:59:00 am »

And don't anyone tell me about J'Covan hitting 2 3s late. That guy's attitude is so bad, he is lucky to be on the team.

MusicMan · « **Reply #36 on:** March 01, 2011, 08:24:49 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 07:53:20 am

Hamilton was terrible, and Joseph? Good grief! Add up the guards' shooting, and there is the loss. Thompson got THREE shots the second half.

Thompson got more looks than that, but was (wisely) fouled on almost all of them.

drew corleone · « **Reply #37 on:** March 01, 2011, 08:46:11 am »

I'd rather send TT to the line for 1/2 than have someone jack up an 18-footer that might hit the rim.

MusicMan · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2011, 09:16:30 am »

Joseph couldn't hit water from a boat, but at least his shots were coming within the flow of the offense. Hamilton and JCB have discarded the offense, for the most part.

JimR · « **Reply #39 on:** March 01, 2011, 09:30:53 am »

it is impossible to have a rational discussion about the team on OB. damn, i hate that site after a loss.

Hamilton looked worn out to me. he got stuffed in the lane numerous times, and he is 6-7 and strong. i think the lack of depth is catching up to them, and the biggest dropoff is defense. if we were still playing the defense that got them to near-#1, we would have won the NU and CU games and would have won 70-58 last night.

my best case scenario at the moment is win in Waco and lose in the semi-final round of the tournament. i do not want tired legs to have to play 3 games in 3 days.

Duke · « **Reply #40 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:06:13 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 09:30:53 am

it is impossible to have a rational discussion about the team on OB. damn, i hate that site after a loss.

Hamilton looked worn out to me. he got stuffed in the lane numerous times, and he is 6-7 and strong. i think the lack of depth is catching up to them, and the biggest dropoff is defense. if we were still playing the defense that got them to near-#1, we would have won the NU and CU games and would have won 70-58 last night.

my best case scenario at the moment is win in Waco and lose in the semi-final round of the tournament. i do not want tired legs to have to play 3 games in 3 days.

Agreed 100%. When Balbay looked worn down in the second half I knew they were leg weary. They have the rest of the week to rest up and get ready for the Bears. Baylor will be a good test. If they still look tired on Satrurday then quien sabe.

JimR · « **Reply #41 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:12:47 am »

Quote from: Duke on March 01, 2011, 10:06:13 am

Agreed 100%. When Balbay looked worn down in the second half I knew they were leg weary. They have the rest of the week to rest up and get ready for the Bears. Baylor will be a good test. If they still look tired on Satrurday then quien sabe.

Shawn Williams last minute transfer hurt a lot.

Duke · « **Reply #42 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:16:52 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 10:12:47 am

Shawn Williams last minute transfer hurt a lot.

As did Ward going back to Alabama.

MusicMan · « **Reply #43 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:17:49 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 10:12:47 am

Shawn Williams last minute transfer hurt a lot.

Thanks for reminding me.

Damn shame to see Dogus and GJ lose on senior night. Those guys have given everything they had.

JimR · « **Reply #44 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:17:53 am »

Quote from: Duke on March 01, 2011, 10:16:52 am

As did Ward going back to Alabama.

yep--forgot about him.

just posted on OB:

From a Good Source on Hamilton
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He has had issues with his hips for the past month, his hips are overly tight and Coach Wright is trying to work on the issue.

If you notice, he doesn't have the explosiveness that he had early in the season. This was told to me prior to the Nebraska game.

MusicMan · « **Reply #45 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:21:19 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 10:17:53 am

From a Good Source on Hamilton
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He has had issues with his hips for the past month, his hips are overly tight and Coach Wright is trying to work on the issue.

If you notice, he doesn't have the explosiveness that he had early in the season. This was told to me prior to the Nebraska game.

Hamilton, last 5 games (goes back to OSU):
4-13
3-16
7-14
7-24
5-18

He shot 49% in January, then 36% in February.

Makes sense.

Duke · « **Reply #46 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:22:52 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 10:17:53 am

yep--forgot about him.

just posted on OB:

From a Good Source on Hamilton
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He has had issues with his hips for the past month, his hips are overly tight and Coach Wright is trying to work on the issue.

If you notice, he doesn't have the explosiveness that he had early in the season. This was told to me prior to the Nebraska game.

Chip Brown alluded to this today. He sure hasn't looked right for awhile. It was pitiful to see him get stuffed under the basket in the second half.

JimR · « **Reply #47 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:39:01 am »

Mark and i talked last night about how he did not seem to be able to get off the floor. if his hips are hurting him, that makes some sense.

MusicMan · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2011, 10:40:57 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 10:39:01 am

Mark and i talked last night about how he did not seem to be able to get off the floor. if his hips are hurting him, that makes some sense.

Also explains his defensive struggles.

If the kid is hurt, then I give him credit for trying to play through it. There's no one backing him up, and he knows it.

drew corleone · « **Reply #49 on:** March 01, 2011, 11:09:49 am »

One of the guys at Shaggy was talking about fatigue being a pretty big factor in the recent swoon... the aggressive defense and thin rotation.

hostros7 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 01, 2011, 11:45:49 am »

Quote from: drew corleone on March 01, 2011, 11:09:49 am

One of the guys at Shaggy was talking about fatigue being a pretty big factor in the recent swoon... the aggressive defense and thin rotation.

These are college-aged, superior athletes. If they aren't capable of playing ~20-35 minutes at high speed twice a week, then UT needs to revisit their strength and conditioning coach. If players are injured that is one thing, but thin rotation and high-intensity D causing fatigue shouldn't be an excuse for losing to inferior teams.

austro · « **Reply #51 on:** March 01, 2011, 12:20:50 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on March 01, 2011, 11:45:49 am

These are college-aged, superior athletes. If they aren't capable of playing ~20-35 minutes at high speed twice a week, then UT needs to revisit their strength and conditioning coach. If players are injured that is one thing, but thin rotation and high-intensity D causing fatigue shouldn't be an excuse for losing to inferior teams.

I don't think you're taking into account the other 2-3 hours of high-speed work they undertake the other 5 days a week. Or the pretty bruising nature of it.

JimR · « **Reply #52 on:** March 01, 2011, 01:22:23 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on March 01, 2011, 11:45:49 am

These are college-aged, superior athletes. If they aren't capable of playing ~20-35 minutes at high speed twice a week, then UT needs to revisit their strength and conditioning coach. If players are injured that is one thing, but thin rotation and high-intensity D causing fatigue shouldn't be an excuse for losing to inferior teams.

this is a totally nuts post. Todd Wright is widely acclaimed as the best basketball S&C Coach in the nation. his presence is a major factor in Barnes' recruiting. unless you have sat on the floor at one of these games, you have no idea of how hard they play and how physical it is. ans, as Austro said, when they are not playing, they are practicing at the same pace. fatigue is a factor in every program, and UT has eight players, some of whom do not play major minutes.

MusicMan · « **Reply #53 on:** March 01, 2011, 01:31:15 pm »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 01:22:23 pm

fatigue is a factor in every program, and UT has eight players, some of whom do not play major minutes.

Exactly. The rotation for the two games prior to the KSU game was 7 1/2 deep (Lucas as the 1/2). Hill and JCB are the only players you can expect to contribute off the bench.

ETA: Upon further reflection, I have been too hard on Barnes and the players. They had a couple of guys bail that they were counting on, and I don't know how the fatigue could have been avoided.

austro · « **Reply #54 on:** March 01, 2011, 01:38:48 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 01, 2011, 01:31:15 pm

Exactly. The rotation for the two games prior to the KSU game was 7 1/2 deep (Lucas as the 1/2). Hill and JCB are the only players you can expect to contribute off the bench.

ETA: Upon further reflection, I have been too hard on Barnes and the players. They had a couple of guys bail that they were counting on, and I don't know how the fatigue could have been avoided.

It didn't help that Wangmene was AWOL for a few games. Frankly, I'm surprised that Thompson is still going as strong as he is.

JimR · « **Reply #55 on:** March 01, 2011, 01:45:32 pm »

Quote from: austro on March 01, 2011, 01:38:48 pm

It didn't help that Wangmene was AWOL for a few games. Frankly, I'm surprised that Thompson is still going as strong as he is.

i think he is a Freak of Nature. he never slows down.

hostros7 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 01, 2011, 01:51:43 pm »

Quote from: JimR on March 01, 2011, 01:22:23 pm

this is a totally nuts post. Todd Wright is widely acclaimed as the best basketball S&C Coach in the nation. his presence is a major factor in Barnes' recruiting. unless you have sat on the floor at one of these games, you have no idea of how hard they play and how physical it is. ans, as Austro said, when they are not playing, they are practicing at the same pace. fatigue is a factor in every program, and UT has eight players, some of whom do not play major minutes.

My comment was general in nature about college athletes and was not directed at the specific UT conditioning coach. I don't watch every UT game. The games I've watched they do play hard. I have respect for how hard college athletes work. My opinion is still that fatigue shouldn't be an excuse for losing games three of the last four conference games. If the players needed a day or two off with light shootarounds and film sessions or whatever, that should have been done.

My opinion regarding fatigue may not be relevant to UT basketball given all of you all's more pertinent knowledge. There are likely injuries (as mentioned above) and other factors. I was only responding to DC's comment "fatigue being a pretty big factor in the recent swoon... the aggressive defense and thin rotation." The Horns were winning under those circumstances before. You guys know better than I do about what has changed since that time. If the rotation was/is too thin to keep it up, and the normal remedies of rest or pulling back a bit on days off, it's a damn shame because this team was fun to watch and dangerous as hell when it was all clicking.