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« on: March 26, 2009, 04:05:46 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 04:12:58 pm »
I saw this, and it is a detestable story.

But every time I see a story like this, I try to remember a particular incident from my childhood.  A friend of our family's, a police officer, pulled a car over for speeding late one night.  Routine as it gets... except that as he got to the driver's window, the driver pulls a gun.  Thankfully, the driver's gun misfired, and the officer immediately emptied his clip into the guy.

Bottom line - and I try to remember this in every instance I've been pulled over - is that a police officer has NO IDEA what they're dealing with on any given stop.

I don't think it justifies this particular officer's treatment, and it doesn't mean that there aren't POS police offers just like every other profession, but just something to think about the next time you wonder why that police officer has an "attitude" when he pulls you over.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2009, 05:07:57 pm »
But in this case and in other cases such as the shooting in Bellaire of young Mr. Tolan, the responses that they were given were mitigated by the antagonistic behavior of the police officers.  And yes, it gives a black eye to all the good cops out there that try to do their job decently.  I was talking to a friend at work just two days ago who got pulled over on the way to work by an Austin police man.  We talked about the "yes sir, no sir" way to speak to policemen that pull you over.  I've been pulled over once by Austin police and try as he might, this very large, crew cut, muscle bound white police officer could not antagonize me with belittling comments about my inspection sticker.  Seems I was one day beyond expired and all I said was that I was under the impression I had a ten day grace period to renew it (as told to me by my suburban police officer friends).

He didn't like my response so he started to be very antagonistic and any attempt by me to defuse the whole situation by being polite and trying to explain to him why I was under said impression was meant with even more anger on his part.  So I stopped and went to the "no sir" and "yes sir" approach just so he can write me a ticket if he wanted to.  He told me he was giving me a break and only warning me about the sticker.  I thanked him and even though I was in my car and ready to drive away, I noticed he was not driving off, but waiting to see where I would go next.  And then he followed me for several blocks (and I'm not paranoid, he was mad at me and he was following me).  I was concerned at this point so I drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot and went inside just to see if he would go away and he did.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2009, 05:36:58 pm »
But in this case and in other cases such as the shooting in Bellaire of young Mr. Tolan, the responses that they were given were mitigated by the antagonistic behavior of the police officers.  And yes, it gives a black eye to all the good cops out there that try to do their job decently.  I was talking to a friend at work just two days ago who got pulled over on the way to work by an Austin police man.  We talked about the "yes sir, no sir" way to speak to policemen that pull you over.  I've been pulled over once by Austin police and try as he might, this very large, crew cut, muscle bound white police officer could not antagonize me with belittling comments about my inspection sticker.  Seems I was one day beyond expired and all I said was that I was under the impression I had a ten day grace period to renew it (as told to me by my suburban police officer friends).

He didn't like my response so he started to be very antagonistic and any attempt by me to defuse the whole situation by being polite and trying to explain to him why I was under said impression was meant with even more anger on his part.  So I stopped and went to the "no sir" and "yes sir" approach just so he can write me a ticket if he wanted to.  He told me he was giving me a break and only warning me about the sticker.  I thanked him and even though I was in my car and ready to drive away, I noticed he was not driving off, but waiting to see where I would go next.  And then he followed me for several blocks (and I'm not paranoid, he was mad at me and he was following me).  I was concerned at this point so I drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot and went inside just to see if he would go away and he did.

When I was a freshman in college, I had to go see a play in Downtown Austin for theatre class.   It was at night, and the streets in downtown Austin are not well marked.    Not to mention I'd never been in the area before and I'm not naturally good at driving directions.   Anyway, I basically circled around downtown Austin for 30 minutes trying to find the place I needed to go.   At one point for a split second I was going the wrong way on a one way street and I immediately pulled into a place to turn around and started going the right way.   No other cars were in the area when this was going on, btw.

So a few minutes pass as I go correctly on my way, and a cop stops me.    He proceeds to say I've seen you circling around here for awhile and even saw you go the wrong way on a one way street for a minute.   So far, no big deal.   I explain what was going on, but I have a bad habit of rocking that is hard to control(sort of like leo mazzone).   It is even worse when I'm nervous/scared which I was in this situation.  So as I'm getting the officer my information, he notices the rocking, and my overall nervousness.   He then says:

"Are you mentally retarded."   I say no.  He asks it again.    I say no again. He even asked it a 3rd time and I said no. I even explained the rocking was a habit i've had since I was a little kid.   

I didn't leave that encounter mad about getting a ticket, but rather very upset with his questioning.  It certainly has influenced my feelings towards police officers as I've gotten older.    I realize there are many good officers out there, but all it takes it one bad apple to ruin it for everyone.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 05:45:07 pm »
He told me he was giving me a break and only warning me about the sticker.  I thanked him and even though I was in my car and ready to drive away, I noticed he was not driving off, but waiting to see where I would go next.  And then he followed me for several blocks (and I'm not paranoid, he was mad at me and he was following me).  I was concerned at this point so I drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot and went inside just to see if he would go away and he did.


I love the way cops say that "I'm gonna give you a break this time" line, like they really feel they're on this benevolent trip or whatever.  I've had guns pulled on me three times in my life, all by cops.  One time was when I was in high school, it was after I initially evaded the school officer who was trying to pull me over for skipping.  Fine.  A second time was in my own home in Galveston while watching a movie with my wife.  Cops busted in and drew their guns on us because they thought, somehow (I still don't get the logic) that we were robbing our own home.  A third time was at a friend's house in NW Houston, a few of us hanging out on the front lawn having some beers and talking.  All of a sudden a bunch of cop cars pulled up, guns drawn, "get down on the ground!" a cop kicked me in my back and pointed his gun at me because I wasn't "down on the ground" enough.  Turns out somebody got mugged at a convenience store on 1960 and the cops thought, somehow (I sort-of get the logic) that the mugger was hanging out with us.

Needless to say, I'm not a big fan of the self-righteousness of many cops.  I got pulled over on I-45 one time about 7 years ago for speeding.  I was on my way to pick up my friend in Dallas to go on a long road trip, so my car was full of stuff.  The cop completely searched my car (I had long, shoulder-length hair at the time and the cop repeatedly asked me if I had any marijuana in the car), taking everything out and depositing it on the side of the road.  The cop didn't find anything, but he made me put all my stuff back.  Then he  made me wait a really long time.  He came back and told me he found an outstanding ticket I'd gotten all the way out in Alpine the year before, and said he was going to arrest me for it.  So he cuffs me, puts me in the cop car and drives me to the station.  As he brings me in to the front door of the station he tells me that I can pay the ticket now or go to jail.  I asked how I would pay him for a ticket I got in Alpine, and he said he would mail it to them.  I was obviously skeptical, but he called their station in my presence and made out the envelope in front of me.  So I offered to pay it, but he says they can't take credit.  So he drives me to an Exxon station and watches me withdraw the money from an ATM (the ticket was 500 something dollars).  He took me back to the station and their man there gave me change, gave me a receipt, and he put the rest of the money in the envelope and put it in a mail slot.  "Okay," I said," now can you give me a ride back to my car?"  "Your car was towed," he said.  So I had to then pay more money to get my car out of the tow yard, and, of course, I got a ticket for speeding (10 mph over).
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 06:21:23 pm »
I can't but think sometimes this has to do with the person; I've gotten tickets on something like 18 separate occasions in my life and never had a single incident anywhere close to these. Obviously, if you are a minority, there can be a racial profiling aspect, but if you are a run of the mill white guy in a white neighborhood who doesn't look like he's up to something, my experience is you will be treated fine.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 08:03:17 pm »
I can't but think sometimes this has to do with the person; I've gotten tickets on something like 18 separate occasions in my life and never had a single incident anywhere close to these. Obviously, if you are a minority, there can be a racial profiling aspect, but if you are a run of the mill white guy in a white neighborhood who doesn't look like he's up to something, my experience is you will be treated fine.

I can't tell if you're being intentionally oblivious, but how are your experiences not racial profiling?
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 08:17:35 pm »
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just trying to say that I obviously hace no personal experiences comparable to what happened to Moats, because I don't have to deal with any potential racial angle.

However, I've known plenty of people in circumstances just like my own who tell stories like Joey's. I'm skeptical that those are just inprovoked cases of cops with bad attitudes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 08:55:08 pm »
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just trying to say that I obviously hace no personal experiences comparable to what happened to Moats, because I don't have to deal with any potential racial angle.

However, I've known plenty of people in circumstances just like my own who tell stories like Joey's. I'm skeptical that those are just inprovoked cases of cops with bad attitudes.


biz, obviously you weren't there because you wouldn't say that otherwise.  i'll tell you all about it at our breakfast.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 09:00:35 pm »

biz, obviously you weren't there because you wouldn't say that otherwise.  i'll tell you all about it at our breakfast.


Maybe the simplest thing to say is that I'd guess for every case of a cop being an unwarranted asshole there's a case of a guy giving a cop unwarranted attitude. Your incidents weren't even the right example (obviously cops busting into your house isn't because you were giving one shit) and I shouldn't have referenced you.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 09:05:47 pm »
I've only had two negative experience with law enforcement personnel and in both instances I was naked.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 09:23:08 pm »
I've only had two negative experience with law enforcement personnel and in both instances I was naked.

Funny, that's when I've had my best experiences with law enforcement.  Although I guess it was just her stage persona.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 09:57:50 pm »
I was taken downtown during college for not buying beer.  That's right.  A buddy and I were stocking up at the local convenience store for the weekend.  We were minors, and right when I was about to pick up the case of whatever shitty beer we could afford I notice this dude watching me from across the store.  Plain clothes, but there's this bulge (NTTAWWT) near his hip pocket, so I assume it's a TABC sting or something.  I turn around, motion for my buddy (who's completely clueless) to follow, pick up a couple cokes and get the hell out of there.
As we're leaving, the guy stops us, tells me he "saw what we were going to do," and throws us into separate patrol cars around back.  I spent the night under the bottom bunk in a tiny cell...right next to the urinal.  When I got released the next morning, the cop who handed me back my personable items said, "Man, you shouldn't be here.  That's stupid."
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 05:53:40 am »
I was taken downtown during college for not buying beer.  That's right.  A buddy and I were stocking up at the local convenience store for the weekend.  We were minors, and right when I was about to pick up the case of whatever shitty beer we could afford I notice this dude watching me from across the store.  Plain clothes, but there's this bulge (NTTAWWT) near his hip pocket, so I assume it's a TABC sting or something.  I turn around, motion for my buddy (who's completely clueless) to follow, pick up a couple cokes and get the hell out of there.
As we're leaving, the guy stops us, tells me he "saw what we were going to do," and throws us into separate patrol cars around back.  I spent the night under the bottom bunk in a tiny cell...right next to the urinal.  When I got released the next morning, the cop who handed me back my personable items said, "Man, you shouldn't be here.  That's stupid."
Oh, and we were all white.

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 05:57:02 am »
How'd the lawsuit turn out?

All charges dropped.  Quick and painless.
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 09:33:21 am »
I was taken downtown during college for not buying beer.  That's right.  A buddy and I were stocking up at the local convenience store for the weekend.  We were minors, and right when I was about to pick up the case of whatever shitty beer we could afford I notice this dude watching me from across the store.  Plain clothes, but there's this bulge (NTTAWWT) near his hip pocket, so I assume it's a TABC sting or something.  I turn around, motion for my buddy (who's completely clueless) to follow, pick up a couple cokes and get the hell out of there.
As we're leaving, the guy stops us, tells me he "saw what we were going to do," and throws us into separate patrol cars around back.  I spent the night under the bottom bunk in a tiny cell...right next to the urinal.  When I got released the next morning, the cop who handed me back my personable items said, "Man, you shouldn't be here.  That's stupid."
Oh, and we were all white.

The UK experimented with "Sus" laws, which in essence gave the kozzers the power to arrest and search anyone they suspected of being up to no good, regardless of whether they saw them actually doing anything against the law.  Genius.  Eventually this blew up into massive race riots, which lead to the law being repealed.
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2009, 09:38:34 am »
I've only had two negative experience with law enforcement personnel and in both instances I was naked.

"Hooker dressed as a cop" doesn't count, man.
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2009, 10:22:26 am »
"Hooker dressed as a cop" doesn't count, man.

That's gleach you're thinking about.  I'll just say that Harris County deputies are very effective at scaring the living shit out of teenagers parked on dark roads.
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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2009, 12:19:13 pm »
The police officer in question has resigned.
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2009, 12:23:59 pm »
The police officer in question has resigned.

He's gotta be having second thoughts about this.
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