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Talk Zone / Re: New logo confirmed...
« on: November 03, 2012, 01:01:51 pm »
Oh give me a fucking break. The Astros were wearing that exact same logo long before the Rangers ever existed.  I get that you have penis envy.  Don't project your shortcomings on the rest of us.

1. Crane's organization is the one with the Rangers envy. Every comment around the franchise purchase was Ranger-focused. Rivalry. Strategy. I'd followed baseball for 30+ years before the AL move, so for most of my life the Rangers have been mediocre. That's why I can't get on board with the "rivalry" hype. The Rangers induce nothing but ZZZs to me. Sure, they're on a good run now, but, nothing extraordinary - virtually every other franchise in the league has had similarly strong teams during the same timeframe. The only franchises I'd envy are probably the Yankees, Braves or Cardinals. If the 'stros remained in the NL, if the Astros got competitive again, rivalries with the Cards, Braves, Dodgers, Reds, Mets, Phillies would have some sort of resonance since we've been rivals at one time in the past. Rangers? Nothing special.

2. When has the Astros logo ever had the star encircled by a circular container? I don't ever recall seeing that. They've had the star forever. Please enlighten me if the logo ever had the circle before - believe me, at this point, I'm grasping for any excuse to give the ALstros a chance, and perhaps a precedent for this logo could take the stench off of it some... But, contained within a circle, it's just too familiar to this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=texas+ranger+badge&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yYyUUPb0BIT0qQHW9YGACw&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1232&bih=698


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Talk Zone / Re: New logo confirmed...
« on: November 03, 2012, 12:07:25 am »
The geometry is quite simply a Texas Ranger badge.

Glad to see at least one other person in the thread noticed the same.

I like the new unis but despise the logo - it's like they're wearing their Texas-Ranger-envy on their sleeve. For a team lacking in identity right now, "me-too" iconography is a terrible way to go. But, judging by the reaction on twitter it seems like most people don't make the same association. Sadly, I will be unable to look at that logo without first thinking Texas Ranger.

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Talk Zone / Re: Update on that online petition
« on: November 17, 2011, 05:46:18 pm »
Selig + Drayton can lie all they want, claiming the franchise was left in better shape.

Here's another example of the kind of national ridicule the tainted name represents:

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=7247923

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Talk Zone / Re: Crane Presser at 3:30pm CST from MMPUS
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:02:03 pm »
Jim Crane @ funeral of #Astros standing in front of a pair of tombstones. RIP Astros 1962-2012 http://twitpic.com/7fig6h

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Talk Zone / Re: Crane Presser at 3:30pm CST from MMPUS
« on: November 17, 2011, 03:43:51 pm »
He was given the direct question, what to say to fans who have a problem with the move to the AL.

He's had months to prepare for that question.

What a pathetic answer: A mumble, and a cliche of not-look-back gotta-look-forward empty optimism.

This was Rick Perry Brainy-Freeze (TM) with extra shit sprinkles on top.

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Talk Zone / Re: What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« on: November 17, 2011, 02:13:44 pm »
Stop! Don't fuel this. Don't make me actually care.

Right now, there's no baseball team I could care a flip less about than the Rangers. Whoopty friggin doo.

Among the infinite reasons I hate this thing is the naked condescension of it. It reeks of one of those big-budget hollywood properties that insults the audience by presuming to know what they want and shoving a thoughtless and worthless spectacle down their throat.

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Talk Zone / the company line - don't even acknowledge the hurt and screwjob
« on: November 17, 2011, 01:30:06 pm »
The form letter email I just received from the Astros, replying to a heartfelt complaint I sent over a month ago:

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Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts on the potential move of the Astros to the American League.  As this seems to be a mandated move in order for new ownership to be approved, we are looking to the future and we feel the future is bright.  New life will be brought into the club with new ownership and the youth movement.  We want to have a long time winner on the field and we believe that we are setting the team up for success.  I hope that you will be a part of the future this season and beyond.

Total denial of anything being lost or done wrong. Expected nothing less, but here it is.

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Talk Zone / Re: What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« on: November 17, 2011, 01:20:06 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Rangers.

Now that the Houston team is in the same division, it's a bit presumptuous and offensive for that squad to claim, by title, the loyalty of the entire state.

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Talk Zone / Re: What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:19:55 am »

Richard Justice, Nov. 16, 2011:
"Crane wasn’t going to own the Astros unless he agreed to change leagues."

Richard Justice, Sept. 7, 2011:
"Jim Crane may never own the Astros, but it won’t be because he refuses to move to the American League. Could it end up being a factor amid reports he’s being asked to consider it? Sure, it could. But it won’t be a deal breaker."

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Talk Zone / Re: What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:40:07 pm »
Good luck to all of y'all who can find a way to find a connection to this ALstros team. They're just a dead entity to me now.

Just imagine, if 5 years down the road, they managed to do a rebuilding for the ages and turn around the franchise and vault it into the World Series.

And after all the pain and heartache us Astro fans of multi-decade allegiance endured, we'd go to the World Series against... the Braves! Or the Reds! .... it just would NOT feel like a World Series anymore.

It's like someone re-arranged all the constellations in the sky. Adrift and without a point of reference.

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Talk Zone / Re: Bumper Sticker
« on: November 14, 2011, 11:10:57 am »
"BOYCOTT BREWERS."

I don't think the anti-AL move crowd is big enough to make a dent on the annual attendance. Although I will never attend an ALstros game, I fear the # of similarly-minded individuals is negligible.

But, I do have this fantasy that the Houston sports community could rally around this idea. Use 2012 as the final opportunity to not only voice objection to the demotion to the AL, but also the steroid era, the "awshucks it's a tie" All-Star debacle, the loss of the '94 world series (which IMO broke up the nucleus of what should've been a world-series team eventually), and the other many crimes of the Selig era.

I wish the Brew Crew would arrive to see an entirely empty stadium.

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Talk Zone / Re: Update on that online petition
« on: November 14, 2011, 12:00:21 am »
It's been an effin' disgrace to see how the Chronicle has "covered" this story.

The only perspectives being offered are:

-full-throated cheerleading for the move

-speculation based on the assumption that there's no hope whatsoever of remaining in the NL, therefore why bother questioning it

-one ex-player whose public reputation is tarnished. (*this is the good ol' Alan Colmes technique FOX-news style. Bring on a disfigured repellent figure to "advocate for the other side" and give the illusion of "balance.")

Unless you dip into the comments section, where it's about 95% against the move.

Total failure as an institution.
 

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Talk Zone / How I became an Astros fan
« on: November 12, 2011, 11:40:29 am »
In 1979 I hated the Houston Astros because their games would interrupt "The Amazing Spider-Man" afternoon cartoon. Spidey could vanquish the likes of Doctor Octopus and Electro with ease, but those dreaded Astros would make him disappear. The web-slinger would sometimes be gone for three days in a row if the Astros had a series in Wrigley Field. Three whole days. An eternity for an eight-year-old.

I tried watching a game. It was more boring than church. So I'd just go pop wheelies and find obstacles to jump on my bike.

Then I got sick.

After the long days in the hospital, strict doctor's orders: take it easy and rest for a couple weeks. Trapped on a sofa for two weeks with three VHF and two UHF channels. When those damned Astros knocked Spidey off my screen again, I was too weak to get up off the sofa and turn the dial to another channel.

Terry Puhl led off the game with a home run. I dozed off. I woke later to see a high fly ball in the corner look like a home run. But this tall Astro jumped into the sky and somehow caught it. Then the announcer said that player had gone the whole season without making an error. A whole season of doing stuff like that without making an error? It was Terry Puhl again. That guy was amazing.

The next day, I wasn't so mad about Spidey being gone. Before the game started, the announcers explained that the Astros pitcher that day had a special way of pitching a baseball. Unlike everyone else, he would grip it with his fingernails. And when he threw it, the ball would dance in the air. This guy, Joe Niekro, he didn't look like an athlete. He looked like an old man. But much like Spider-Man, this guy had quirky abilities and seemed to win all the time.

After the end of my weeks of hospital and home rest, the family wanted to do anything for me as a special treat. I surprised them as much as myself when I said the only thing I wanted was an autographed baseball by Joe Niekro.

I started going to games. And over the next two years, I saw about fifteen of them. Those red box seats. Those orange mezzanine. Sometimes, if we didn't plan far enough ahead or it was a popular opponent, we'd go up in the nosebleed golden seats. And the funniest thing started happening. They won every single game I attended in person.

I wish we'd kept all the ticket stubs so I could know for sure how long my streak was going. It wasn't a Joe Dimaggio hit streak kind of number, but it was probably in the teens. By the end of the 1980 season, we were claiming it was twenty-seven games. Who knows, it might have been in that vicinity, but my father was a serial exaggerator. So I suspect it was more like fifteen.

There were some close calls. The Willie Stargell "We Are Family" Pirates were scary. They won the World Series in 1979. But, that year, I saw the Astros beat them. The mightily impressive Andre Dawson almost ended my streak by hitting a homerun late in a game and sending it to extra innings. But, those classic 80's Astros would always find a way to win. Enos Cabell, Jeff Leonard, Terry Puhl, Alan Ashby, Craig Reynolds, Art Howe, Denny Walling, Cesar Cedeno, and of course Jose Cruz.

Or, more accurately, Jose Cruuuuuuuz. Another Astro with what I perceived as a baseball version of super-powers. His primary attributes that contributed to this eight-year-old's awe was the fact that he ran so fast his baseball cap would fly off his head. And that he had the coolest batting stance routine in the league (well, second-coolest, after Stargell's signature helicopter-pump).

On gamedays, I felt like I was wearing a cloak of invincibility. Although I only went to one or two games a month, I talked about the streak every day for two years. And there was a miraculous phenomenon that fueled my confidence - James Rodney Richard.

A few months after my illness, the Astros finally managed for me to get an autographed photo of Joe Niekro and I got to meet him after a game. It was scary to see these players up close. I was afraid of them.

But the other major leaguers were afraid of James Rodney Richard.

J.R. Richard was six foot eight and threw a million miles of fire. When you're eight years old, you don't really understand everything about baseball. But I could see the fear in the opposing players' eyes. Especially the Los Angeles Dodgers, our primary rival.

J.R. had his own unbeaten streak. He never lost to the Dodgers. Those Dodgers were a classic team in baseball history, with matchups for the ages against the Reggie Jackson Yankees. They would even go on to win a World Series against those Yanks.

But they never beat J.R.

So I kept believing the impossible: that the Astros would always win when I went to see a game in person.

On July 30th, 1980, the mighty James Rodney Richard  suffered a stroke and collapsed while practicing. A blood clot near the brain. He nearly died. His career was effectively ended.

The cloak of invincibility was gone.

But I kept going to games. And they kept winning.

In spite of the loss of the mighty J.R., they kept winning, and made it to the final game of the National League Championship series. One game away from going to the World Series.

I entered the Astrodome on October 12th, 1980. My streak was still intact. If it could only go one more game, we'd make it to the franchise's first World Series.

The game was a classic, and remained tied 7-7 after nine innings.

All-time major league hit leader Pete Rose said during the game, "It's a shame someone has to win this one."

In what is widely regarded as one of the most hard-fought National League Championships, with a majority of games being decided in extra innings, with a cumulative run total over the entire series of 20-19, in the tenth inning of a game that would send them to the World Series, I finally saw the Astros lose in person.

And that's when I became a true Astros fan.


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