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Beer and Queso / Re: San Diego Recs
« on: July 12, 2012, 12:40:42 pm »Thanks for all of the recs!
Our plan right now is pretty much...
Friday - afternoon wine tour in La Jolla
Saturday - Zoo, and maybe dinner at Sanska's
Sunday - afternoon Brewery tour (Stone, San Marcos, Lost Abbey)
Monday - Gaslamp and Astros game that evening
I suspect we'll fill in some of those blanks with aforementioned restaurants, and the rest with brewpubs (for me) and shopping (for her).
Any opinions on these spots?
O’Briens Pub (http://www.obrienspub.net/)
Toronado
Blind Lady Ale House (http://www.blindladyalehouse.com/)
Downtown Johnny Brown’s (http://downtownjohnnybrowns.com/)
Hamilton Tavern (http://hamiltonstavern.com/)
Luigi’s at the Beach (http://www.luigisatthebeach.com/)
Neighborhood (http://www.neighborhoodsd.com/index.php)
FWIW... the Astros are 2-1 in games I have seen them play outside of Texas, so I'm hoping that counters the awful road record this season.
Great beer selections at O'Briens and Toronado, similar at Blind Lady and Hamiltons. Just a matter of preferred environment. O'Briens is in a strip mall, so it's pretty relaxed, but not much to do around it (unless you're looking for Asian food)-- it's really all about just coming to enjoy quality beer. Toronado is on 30th street, so a more active environment, but can also get loud and crowded. I frequent and enjoy these two all the time. Blind Lady, I've only been to once, seemed a little more upscale, a lot trendier. I've only been to Hamiltons during midday, so don't know what it's like at night.
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Beer and Queso / Re: San Diego Recs
« on: May 02, 2012, 10:53:35 am »
I like to take people to Hash House for breakfast/brunch.
There are a lot of breweries to check out, tour, taste. My favorite beer-wise is probably Alpine, though it's a bit of a drive.
Torrey Pines state park has some scenic hiking trails. Down the road is the Gliderport and Black's Beach, if you're into hang-gliding over nudists.
There are a lot of breweries to check out, tour, taste. My favorite beer-wise is probably Alpine, though it's a bit of a drive.
Torrey Pines state park has some scenic hiking trails. Down the road is the Gliderport and Black's Beach, if you're into hang-gliding over nudists.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2012 draft
« on: April 13, 2012, 10:38:23 pm »
ND tonight for Appel with a line of 9 IP 10 H 1R (0ER) 13 K...
and 150 pitches.
and 150 pitches.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2012 draft
« on: February 18, 2012, 11:23:49 am »
7IP 2H 1ER 5K in the season debut for Appel vs. #11 Vanderbilt.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2012 draft
« on: December 05, 2011, 12:07:15 am »
Appel's report sounds good, but doesn't seem to match his season at Stanford last year.
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Talk Zone / Re: Bourn the next to go?!?
« on: July 31, 2011, 11:29:54 pm »BS. This is the same false dichotomy we hear all the time ... Obviously they should try to win chamoionships, but only in the context of trying to win every game they can. To take the opposite view would simply mean they should throw every game to ensure they get a string of #1 draft choices. Play to win. Now. Every game. All the time. When you end up with a guy who is rare-to-unique and he helps you win, hang on to him. Go ahead and trade the replaceable RF who can't hit the cut-off man anyway; next year's version will probably be about as good (if not better). But there are about to be a lot more triples with new life at MMPUS now.
False dichotomy... ?
Throwing every game, doesn't seem particularly conducive toward player development. Unless you're the Spurs.
"Play to win. Now. Every game. All the time." Great platitudes, kind of disjointed from reality for managers and front office, but pretty cool if you read them in William Wallace's voice.
In 1990 do you trade Larry Andersen?
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Talk Zone / Re: Bourn the next to go?!?
« on: July 31, 2011, 11:45:28 am »I'm not sure what you're getting at. Bourn is not the problem.
Agree, he's a great player. But I think the organization should be out to win championships, and if Bourn isn't going to be a piece in that because of all the other personnel deficiencies, I think it makes sense to trade him to address those.
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Talk Zone / Re: Bourn the next to go?!?
« on: July 31, 2011, 11:34:12 am »Because they have the option of keeping Bourn and still getting better.
How many seasons from now do you think they would reach the point where having Bourn or not would be the difference between seriously contending for the NL Central?
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2011 Draft
« on: June 07, 2011, 12:05:04 pm »Purke to the Nationals. This team could be setting up to dominate the East.
Some incredible value this draft, if guys like Rendon and Purke can get past their injury issues.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2011 Draft
« on: June 07, 2011, 11:23:19 am »The biggest question I've heard is pitch recognition.
I like the pick, but that + chatter about a long swing are concerning. 70 strikeouts last season vs. mediocre Big East pitching suggests some roughness.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2011 Draft
« on: June 04, 2011, 12:27:05 am »BA's "Experts Draft 2.0" (LINK)
BA's caveat: This isn't a projection of how the first round will play out, but rather who editor John Manuel, executive editor Jim Callis and assistant editors Conor Glassey and Nathan Rode would prefer for picks 1-33. We changed the order up from our original experts draft, and the four experts alternated choices throughout the first round while taking into account each club's needs and financial situation.
And for the Good Guys:
11. ASTROS (John): Jim just ruined my fantasy of getting Jungmann at 11. It's disappointing, but I'll find a way to move on by taking Connecticut righthander Matt Barnes. He's the kind of high-upside player Bobby Heck and his staff have focused on in recent years, and has dominated from start to finish in 2011. I could also see taking Sonny Gray, Jed Bradley or South Carolina prep righty Taylor Guerrieri here, but to me Barnes has upside and will get to the majors quickly. With a team as needy as the one in Houston, that should be a consideration when other factors are fairly equal.
Note: BA had Lindor at 8 (Indians), Archie Bradley at 9 (Cubs), and Jungmann at 10 (Padres).
Barnes didn't do much to help his stock tonight, getting pounded by a so-so Coastal Carolina team to the tune of 7 ER on 9 H in 4.1 IP.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2011 Draft
« on: June 02, 2011, 12:34:18 pm »Has there been any concern expressed about Rendon's shoulder (or about the fact that he's injured both ankles in the last two seasons)? Could he slide because of those injuries?
It was actually the same ankle.
The furthest I think I've seen him slip is to like #4.
He's started to hit the ball with more authority the last two weeks, and played in the field some, which should allay some concerns over his shoulder (though there remains no real info about what's up there).
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Game Zone 2011 Archive / Re: 05/20/11: Good Guys Invade Canada
« on: May 20, 2011, 09:22:34 pm »
That was a sweet little comeback victory.
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Beer and Queso / Re: College Classic
« on: March 06, 2011, 12:55:53 am »
Quick one tonight.. Rice vs. A&M took all of 1 hour, 45 minutes to play. Two exceptional pitchers, Michael Wacha for A&M, the top prospect in the state right now for the 2012 draft, and Austin Kubitza, a 7th round pick last year with a fastball that's movement grades a full 80, combine for 16 IP, 1 ER, 11 hits, 14 K.
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Beer and Queso / Re: 2011 Texas Baseball thread
« on: February 21, 2011, 11:52:59 am »
Texas rode a 3-run HR and shutdown starting pitching to a lot of victories last year..
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Beer and Queso / Re: 2011 Texas Baseball thread
« on: February 19, 2011, 10:40:51 am »
95 pitches.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Stanford & Rice
« on: February 19, 2011, 10:39:46 am »
Strong start by the Cardinal in game 1. Appel comes out throwing 98, 99 the first two innings before settling in at 93, 94. Rendon goes 0-4, I think he's still a little behind after missing so much time due to his broken ankle from the previous summer. Diekroeger goes 2-4 and catalyzes their first two scoring innings.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Stanford & Rice
« on: February 18, 2011, 10:58:15 am »
Thanks, BU... yeah, only 22 K's.
Simms fell down the draft quite a bit due to his commitment to going to college. Graham has already called him the best freshmen pitcher he's had... we'll see how that plays out.
Simms fell down the draft quite a bit due to his commitment to going to college. Graham has already called him the best freshmen pitcher he's had... we'll see how that plays out.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Stanford & Rice
« on: February 17, 2011, 08:33:52 pm »I looked at the UT schedule this morning, and it looks like UT and Rice don't play each other at all this year. I had sort of assumed that that had turned into a fixture that wouldn't ever go away.
Yeah, especially since this was the first year the teams were initially scheduled to play a weekend series, rather than the usual home/away midweeker.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Stanford & Rice
« on: February 17, 2011, 08:32:53 pm »
There's a ton of young talent in this game, highlighted of course by Anthony Rendon, who would have gone #1 overall in the 2010 MLB draft. Stanford's coach just called him college's Joe DiMaggio. Last season he had 26 HR's, and only 22 BB's. An amazing talent.
Stanford has put together some monster recruiting classes the past few years, including: SS Kenny Diekroeger is a potential #1 overall selection for the 2012 MLB draft, RHP Mark Appel who will start Friday afternoon and flashes 94-98 MPH heat, and Austin Wilson, who made BA's preseason All-America team as a freshman.
Rice will start a couple highly talented freshmen RHP that passed up huge signing bonuses to play college ball, local product John Simms, and Colleyville hurler Austin Kubitza.
Should be some great baseball with some players that will be future household names.
Stanford has put together some monster recruiting classes the past few years, including: SS Kenny Diekroeger is a potential #1 overall selection for the 2012 MLB draft, RHP Mark Appel who will start Friday afternoon and flashes 94-98 MPH heat, and Austin Wilson, who made BA's preseason All-America team as a freshman.
Rice will start a couple highly talented freshmen RHP that passed up huge signing bonuses to play college ball, local product John Simms, and Colleyville hurler Austin Kubitza.
Should be some great baseball with some players that will be future household names.
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Talk Zone / Re: College bats like the pros
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:43:22 am »
In the pecking order where they're pushed back behind the different pro levels, the college programs also wouldn't have access to the good wood.
The new bats apparently sound terrible upon contact...
The new bats apparently sound terrible upon contact...
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Game Zone 2010 Archive / Re: Daytime broom special: Astros @ Phillies 8/26/10
« on: August 26, 2010, 02:00:06 pm »
Wandy keeps casting the hook, and Howard can't lay off.
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Game Zone 2010 Archive / Re: Daytime broom special: Astros @ Phillies 8/26/10
« on: August 26, 2010, 01:40:58 pm »
Not even close. Great to leave em blanked after that start.
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Game Zone 2010 Archive / Re: Daytime broom special: Astros @ Phillies 8/26/10
« on: August 26, 2010, 01:23:19 pm »Phils guys said it was hit hard to the wall. I'm a little confused as to why he's only on 1st.
Hit it too hard, quickly bounced back to the RF.
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Game Zone 2010 Archive / Re: Daytime broom special: Astros @ Phillies 8/26/10
« on: August 26, 2010, 12:58:58 pm »
#18. Crush.
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Talk Zone / Re: Berkman's contract
« on: July 30, 2010, 05:42:09 pm »Yeah, I have to say, this isn't the boatload of prospects I was envisioning in this Fire Sale.
Whoa there, we're trading Roy Oswalt, not Victor Zambrano.
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Talk Zone / Re: Roy O to Phillies
« on: July 29, 2010, 03:54:45 pm »personally, i don't give a fuck what you think about Alyson's tweets. you should not have been looking at them, you pervert.
I could imagine, buddy.
She usually has such nice tweets.
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Talk Zone / Re: Roy O to Phillies
« on: July 29, 2010, 03:47:56 pm »
Personally, I think that's a pretty stupid series of tweets from Alyson.
Roy's concession/compensation to the trade actually looks pretty reasonable.
I can speak only for myself, but I don't like this trade precisely because I have read up on the prospects.
And the Astros had to have a ML ready pitcher in the trade to have 5 pitchers this year? Huh? Are the Stros playing for anything this year?
Roy's concession/compensation to the trade actually looks pretty reasonable.
I can speak only for myself, but I don't like this trade precisely because I have read up on the prospects.
And the Astros had to have a ML ready pitcher in the trade to have 5 pitchers this year? Huh? Are the Stros playing for anything this year?
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Beer and Queso / Re: NCAA Super Regional - UT vs TCU
« on: June 14, 2010, 10:43:50 am »
Good for the Frogs. Two CWS-worthy teams.. it's a shame one of them isn't in Omaha (and a shame that one of Coastal and South Carolina was guaranteed to be there...).
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: Draft 2010
« on: June 08, 2010, 04:22:10 pm »
Jones has been quoted along the lines of saying he's going to LSU no matter what happens in the draft.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: Draft 2010
« on: June 07, 2010, 09:10:37 pm »
You can actually watch this guy play tonight, as Minnesota is playing Fullerton in the regional final tonight on ESPNU.
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Talk Zone / Re: If Blum is our new SS most of the time...
« on: May 19, 2010, 04:14:13 pm »
Bring on the youngsters.
I'm ready to see the Stros commit to the Anthony Rendon sweepstakes.
I'm ready to see the Stros commit to the Anthony Rendon sweepstakes.
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Talk Zone / Re: Oh, Philly fans...
« on: April 16, 2010, 03:07:32 pm »Sounds like he was drinking too much riot punch before the game.
Nice reference.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Is this true?
« on: December 03, 2009, 01:50:57 pm »Do yourself a favor. Read the link.
A thousand times this. Hilarious.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Chicago. WTF?
« on: October 04, 2009, 11:41:54 pm »I believe they were leaning towards Rio all along, it was the Southern Hemispheres' turn. The fact that the Obamas got involved was a bit silly. Oh well.
It would seem that way, but I believe heads of state from all four countries came to Copenhagen.
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Talk Zone / Re: Lemme get this straight
« on: September 13, 2009, 12:13:38 am »
Perhaps TM will get some starts on the road.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2009 Draft
« on: June 10, 2009, 12:05:36 pm »
Walker was a great prospect out of HS, but went to Stanford, where he never really put things together.
Big arm, hopefully time in the system will get him straightened out.
Big arm, hopefully time in the system will get him straightened out.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2009 Draft
« on: June 09, 2009, 08:59:48 pm »
Bushue has a more projectable frame, velocity in the 88-90 range.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2009 Draft
« on: June 09, 2009, 07:00:27 pm »
Sounds like a good pick.
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Beer and Queso / Re: It's time!!!!
« on: June 06, 2009, 07:49:22 pm »
Yeah, congrats to LSU. Good luck in Omaha.
Great year for the Owls, most teams hit that hard by injuries don't have nearly that quality of season. Any other super regional pairing, and I think the team still ends in Omaha for the 4th straight year. So it goes!
Great year for the Owls, most teams hit that hard by injuries don't have nearly that quality of season. Any other super regional pairing, and I think the team still ends in Omaha for the 4th straight year. So it goes!
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Talk Zone / Re: Hugo Chavez?
« on: May 19, 2009, 10:48:01 am »call me ignorant, who's his wife?
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It was during her internship with Newsday where she met her husband, Jose de Jesus Ortiz. When they married, Ortiz moved to Houston where he worked as the Houston Astros and Major League Baseball beat writer for the Chronicle.
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Megan Manfull Ortiz (B.A. 2001) never set out to write sports stories. She just wanted to write about people.
http://www.uiowa.edu/~iowajour/2007/fall/ortiz.html
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Talk Zone / Re: Hugo Chavez?
« on: May 18, 2009, 06:12:50 pm »In a recent blog post about a conversation he had with Cooper about why he kept pitching Geary, here's the phrases that jump out,
...deep respect ... nothing personal or ugly. ... he got a bit defensive ... raising his voice respectfully but sternly ...he made clear he wasn't trying to be rude.
That's the kind of crap he cares about. Interfuckingpersonal relationships. Meanwhile he conveys no new information, other than Cooper has respect, blah, blah, blah.
His wife was recently assigned to the Rice beat, replacing MK Bower, who was a real talent at the Chronicle. She's the same way. Very frustrating.
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Talk Zone / Re: A Tale of Two Youngsters
« on: May 04, 2009, 01:55:42 pm »
What the Astros don't have on paper anyway are a lot of prospects with high ceilings. They have a number of mid-level prospects. Prospects that can be used in trade, as we've seen, and can have good major league careers. Prospects that won't get much pub because they don't hit .350 with .600 slg or strike out a ton of batters. In other words there are several good players at AA and AAA who can be brought up some time soon to compliment the veterans and more experienced younger players and expect to contribute. Just none with the stats or radar gun numbers to grab the expurts' attention.
Do you think we have more of these types of prospects than most organizations, to sort of compensate for the lack of 'high-ceiling' prospects?
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 09:27:28 pm »
For those of you playing the Pick 4 Illinois lottery tonight, the numbers are 6 2 6 8.
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 09:24:14 pm »
Gunned the rat down.
To the B8th.
To the B8th.
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 09:10:56 pm »
That was a hell of a play by Hill behind the dish...
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:47:32 pm »
Not your usual strikeout pitch there...
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:46:08 pm »
Rodriguez is going to need some aspirin.
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Game Zone 2009 Archive / Re: Chicago Cubs @ Houston Astros - 7 Apr 2009
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:43:50 pm »
Wandy cranking it up there. Bradley just caught up on it to avoid the strike them out throw them out DP.
Then the Stros get the timely 4u-3 the next pitch. Sweet. Fucking Cubs.
Then the Stros get the timely 4u-3 the next pitch. Sweet. Fucking Cubs.
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Talk Zone / Re: Keppinger for PTNBL
« on: April 03, 2009, 12:17:43 am »
I'm kind of partial to rebuilding efforts. The Astros teams of the early 90's were some of my favorites.
Wish we could have gotten Janish from the Reds. He's an incredible talent in the field.
Wish we could have gotten Janish from the Reds. He's an incredible talent in the field.
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Talk Zone / Re: College Classic
« on: February 23, 2009, 05:37:47 pm »
The game on Saturday night is one to check out. Alex Wilson from the Aggies is a great prospect that works in the mid-upper 90's. He's coming off of TJ surgery, but was dominant in his first start this year. He'll be throwing that night against Rice, per A&M's coach.
The other pitcher to check out at the MMC is Gerrit Cole, freshman RHP from UCLA who was drafted in the first round this year but chose the Bruins over the Yankees. 6IP 1H in his first start this year.
The other pitcher to check out at the MMC is Gerrit Cole, freshman RHP from UCLA who was drafted in the first round this year but chose the Bruins over the Yankees. 6IP 1H in his first start this year.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Palin. WTF?
« on: September 04, 2008, 04:33:09 pm »Alaska Daily News
In September, 2006, Palin showed up in Ketchikan on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity.
and
The Alaska governor campaigned in 2006 on a build-the-bridge platform, telling Ketchikan residents she felt their pain when politicians called them "nowhere." They're still feeling pain today in Ketchikan, over Palin's subsequent decision to use the bridge funds for other projects -- and over the timing of her announcement, which they say came in a pre-dawn press release that seemed aimed at national news deadlines.
"I think that's when the campaign for national office began," said Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein on Saturday.
http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html
I think you guys covered the bridge, but re: earmarks in general..
Here's what she says:
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In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."
And here's her record:
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Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.
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This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.
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This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.
"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
When you get past the fluff of ebay-auctioned jets and fired personal chefs, there's not much substance to her fiscal hawk facade.
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Beer and Queso / Re: Palin. WTF?
« on: August 31, 2008, 11:13:49 am »Then please, don't vote. I'm not being mean, this shit matters. Either pay attention or get out of the way.
You don't need to pay attention. You just need to know which of the candidate's you'd rather have a beer with.
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Talk Zone / Re: oswalt and the reds may be a cabrera but dammit i want to know
« on: August 28, 2008, 11:32:27 am »Mark Portugal was death for the Giants for a long period of time with the Astros.
11-3 against them with Houston, if I'm reading ESPN's splits right..
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Talk Zone / Re: Sabathia a Brewer
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:56:09 pm »Trading any of our useful starting pitching is basically resigning to the cellar for the next 3-4 years, and I don't think Uncle Drayton would agree to that. You can't rebuild a starting rotation for a contending club from scratch any faster than that... particularly with the astros farm system.
I agree. Most rebuilding efforts center around a nucleus of strong, young talent already in place. The Astros don't have anything close to that right now. I think the team's better off just doing the best they can around the core of veterans they have, while trying to replenish the farm system...
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draftees and Status
« on: June 18, 2008, 05:15:08 pm »
"With Seaton "it's a time process," Heck said."
What exactly does this mean?
Perhaps in reference to the fact it will cost above slot to get Seaton out of his Tulane commitment, and those deals are generally not announced until the end of the signing period so as not to disrupt the rest of the slotting...
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Talk Zone / Re: It's Time for a Little Tigers/Owls Smack
« on: June 17, 2008, 04:19:01 pm »
What a tough ending to watch.. CSC deserved better, he's meant so much to the program. All in all though, this Rice team overachieved quite a bit, and I'm very proud of them. Hopefully the team's mental failures will serve as important learning experiences for both their personal and baseball lives.
Congrats to LSU. Not sure what pitching you guys have left, but I'll be rooting for you guys to keep an ACC team from winning it all.
Congrats to LSU. Not sure what pitching you guys have left, but I'll be rooting for you guys to keep an ACC team from winning it all.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 06, 2008, 04:44:12 pm »
Pick # 1082
Austin Wood RHP
Niceville HS FLA
6'4" 205
Scouting report from MILB
A Florida St. signee, I'm pretty sure there's a moral obligation for the Astros to do all they can to keep him from Martin's ruinous hands.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 06, 2008, 11:23:58 am »
Priday is a name I think most Longhorn fans are familiar with, this year...
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 06, 2008, 11:19:43 am »Because colleges do not use wood bats, but then again, you knew this... right? But I'll say it again, BA is not scouts, it's a bunch of guys who have watched baseball and make their own judgements when they do watch video. But they need to talk to scouts more and that is something they don't do much of at all. They'd rather provide what they do best (which is not unwelcomed, it's really great stuff if you *know* what you're looking at): performance statical analysis.
Yes, I'm aware college players use metal bats outside of the wood-bat summer leagues, and yes you're starting to repeat yourself.
I'm not a huge fan of BA, but in their defense they do a lot more than just statistical analysis. They're at their best when they serve as a conduit between the opinions of coaches/scouting directors and a public eager to hear about the next generation baseball has to offer.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 06, 2008, 10:55:31 am »
It's kind of funny, here we're criticizing BA for over-analyzing stats... while amongst college baseball fans, BA gets reamed for ignoring stats or production in favor of tools in evaluating players and ultimately teams.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 05, 2008, 03:04:35 pm »
First Texas product is TCU reliever Andrew Cashner, taken #19 by the Cubbies.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 05, 2008, 02:59:20 pm »I'm coming back in from the ledge now. This might not be the event that brings down the entire organization.
At the least, he can't do much worse than last year's first round pick.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2008 Draft Thread
« on: June 05, 2008, 02:53:50 pm »
Is Smoak a below average fielder? I thought I read his hands were pretty good, and SC fans always spoke highly of his defense.
If he's blocked in Houston, you would think it would be pretty easy to find someone out there willing to trade for a switch hitter projected to put up big power numbers.
If he's blocked in Houston, you would think it would be pretty easy to find someone out there willing to trade for a switch hitter projected to put up big power numbers.
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Talk Zone / Re: What they gave up, what they got
« on: May 16, 2008, 12:00:56 pm »Nice job, AtascAstro. I appreciate the effort that must have taken.
+1
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Talk Zone / Re: He's at it again
« on: May 16, 2008, 11:59:23 am »If that's his point -- what he really thinks -- why write an entire article disputing it? Why conduct all that research and go through all that exhausting legwork to, um, wait...huh?
I don't see how he's really disputing it unless you think he thinks "the team was really bad" only because the team paid attention to the personal accolades of its premier players...
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Talk Zone / Re: He's at it again
« on: May 16, 2008, 11:18:07 am »That team was severly flawed, the Biggio farewell tour & 3000 are about the only highlights I care to remember
I think that's the point the writer makes in his initial paragraph?
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Talk Zone / Re: UT Baseball
« on: April 21, 2008, 08:04:54 pm »
I think Augie's a good coach, but doesn't he leave the handling of the pitching staff nearly entirely up to the pitching coach? Given that the UT teams were so successful earlier this decade because of their great pitching, who really deserves the credit.. ?
Unsurprisingly, telling 12 bench players they were at fault for UT's recent struggles and wouldn't be allowed to suit up didn't seem to help the Longhorns this past weekend.
Unsurprisingly, telling 12 bench players they were at fault for UT's recent struggles and wouldn't be allowed to suit up didn't seem to help the Longhorns this past weekend.
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Talk Zone / Re: for those Guitar Hero fans (non-bb obv)
« on: January 02, 2008, 05:20:25 pm »I wonder if Rock Band/Guitar Hero will inspire a whole new generation of musicians.
Well, it did for me at least. I've never played an instrument, but after a few weeks of GH III, I was eager to give my gf's guitar a shot. The skills don't quite translate, unfortunately...
I picked up Rock Band this afternoon and can't wait to have some friends over this weekend to go at it...
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Talk Zone / Re: Major announcement at 12:30
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:31:37 pm »
It certainly makes sense to play for '08, given how weak the NL is.. and given that we don't have an abundance of young talent to rebuild around, anyway.
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Talk Zone / Re: Major announcement at 12:30
« on: December 12, 2007, 12:42:00 pm »
I don't have any problems with this deal, personally. My mind is open to hearing otherwise, but I don't get the angst over who we lost. Neither Scott nor Sarfate are anything special. Costanzo is a big ? as to how his swing will play out at the ML level. Albers will have to improve quite a bit from last season to help the team this year. And Patton, while a nice prospect, doesn't seem to have the stuff nor have put up strong numbers of late to suggest he's destined for stardom anytime soon.
There's a general principle that the team who gets the best player gets the better of a deal, and I think that's probably most applicable here, where you're getting a fairly unique talent for 5 guys that strike me as.. well, ordinary and replaceable.
There's a general principle that the team who gets the best player gets the better of a deal, and I think that's probably most applicable here, where you're getting a fairly unique talent for 5 guys that strike me as.. well, ordinary and replaceable.
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Talk Zone / Re: Market Trends and Luke Scott
« on: December 05, 2007, 12:26:49 pm »Max Venable isn't a prospect, he's a left pitcher who has had horrible seasons in the past (most recent memory was with the Rangers).
Right, but thankfully aren't the Astros supposedly interested in Will Venable, a AA outfielder for the San Antonio Missions, who despite unspectacular numbers last year, still seems a fringe prospect...
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Talk Zone / Re: Lidge a Phillie
« on: November 07, 2007, 11:15:36 pm »Bruntlett and Lidge to Philly for Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary, and minor leaguer Mike Costanzo. Not a particularly great return IMO, and we now have an even bigger hole at the back of the bully.
If bullpen depth is our biggest problem for 2008, we'll be in much better shape for next season.
I think we got pretty good return. Seems like a nice job by the GM(s).
I'm amazed the Astros got 5 years out of Lidge without him breaking down somehow.
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Talk Zone / Re: Whitey with some harsh words
« on: October 09, 2007, 11:29:28 am »I doubt that Tim was not signing draft picks on his own. Drayton's involvement seems clear there.
Sure. My intent wasn't to rehash an argument of who was at fault for the draft picks going unsigned. I just don't see anything particularly outrageous about Gammons' statement, given that the Astros likely found the 2007 draft to be an embarrassment as well, if they used it as justification to fire TP.
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Talk Zone / Re: Whitey with some harsh words
« on: October 09, 2007, 10:53:25 am »Exactly. Also, would Houston be an embarrassment if they made the playoffs? Probably not, so basically he is saying that one of the reasons the 2007 Astros are an embarrassment is some draft pick that happened during the middle of the year? Would signing him have changed the Astros record?
His quote seems pretty clear. The way Houston handled the draft this year was an embarrassment to the organization, and it's one reason Tim Purpura no longer has a job.
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Talk Zone / Re: Rookie Trivia (Astros related)
« on: September 04, 2007, 11:36:55 am »
Joe Morgan had 12 triples in 1965, when he finished second in NL Rookie of the Year voting...
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Talk Zone / Re: Hey, Manso, little help?
« on: August 31, 2007, 01:53:02 pm »Because I wanted to hear the response. I never understand why people can't have a logical opinion here that doesn't agree with one of the main internet egos on this board without being told to read more, etc.
It's like if I started a thread complaining about the team. There's a 90% chance that one of the replies will be "why do you watch?" "bandwagoner" etc.
Yeah, it's unfortunate, although not that hard to understand.
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Talk Zone / Re: Purpura's prospects
« on: August 29, 2007, 01:13:23 pm »Did he interview elsewhere? For some reason, I was thinking he had turned down several interview opps to stay in Houston.
Well, he was a finalist for the Reds GM job in 2003(?), and there's an interview he had with Rob Neyer of all people talking about his experiences interviewing for different clubs, so I think it's a safe assumption he has interviewed elsewhere.
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Talk Zone / Re: Purpura's prospects
« on: August 29, 2007, 11:51:22 am »
It will be interesting to see where TP lands. One warning sign might be that even when he was being ballyhooed by pundits as one of the best GM prospect in the game circa 2002-2004, he was still unable to land a job at any of the number of open positions he interviewed for...
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 29, 2007, 12:18:13 am »It's because he/she isn't interested in actually finding out what the truth is. He/She, like others, simply want to know what information they need to avoid so they can continue their lives in ignorance.
Do enlighten us, tophfar, with where the facts have gone awry. If you too choose to stroke your inflated sense of self-worth, at least grace us with some substance.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 10:43:42 pm »Good, that's all you needed to add. And shows the type of class you lack too. IMHO of course. Because McLane said he spoke to fans about these things, so he's basically speaking to them and disavowing a man's career in doing so. He cared very little about a good man and decided it was more important to speak to the vocal majority or minority to placate them. Sad that you agree with this, but that's your right.
Sorry, I don't see anything wrong with an owner explaining to his fanbase why he's made a major personnel move. These are public figures, open to constant evaluation. McLane also has a vested interest in appearing sympathetic to those who fill his coffers, so I think you'll just have to accept that.. Does that make me a classless asshole? No, the fact that I like to intimidate the elderly does.
Disavowing a man's career and caring very little about a good man seems a little hyperbolic, don't you think? TP's future career will be dictated by his 14 years with the Astros, not a press conference that will be long forgotten within a week.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 10:16:14 pm »
Read it? I practically wrote half of it!
Heh, indeed.
You want to talk McLane is justified in publically saying Purpura was fired for failure in the draft (knowing full well that he, McLane, had a hand in the decision... it was not done in a vaccuum), then say so. But you haven't... yet. You keep talking about the draft.
Yes, Noe. The context of everything I've been saying is that McLane is justified in publicly citing the draft shortcomings as a reason for TP's dismissal.
You're quite right, the draft was not done in a vacuum. But the grocer is well within reason to hold his GM accountable for putting him in a position where he'd have to inordinately stretch his wallet to sign these two kids.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 09:47:57 pm »And they would probably welcome the opportunity to rehash yet again the draft at the Bus Ride. Why is it an item here?
Cute they reference.
You should read the whole thread, Noe. Jim said he was infuriated that they blamed TP for not signing the picks above slot. My posts have questioned this.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 09:38:48 pm »Are you still arguing? You've already admitted you have no clue.
Librarian humor? Score one for prav, I guess.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 09:34:31 pm »Irrelevant? People who have a clue dont think so. Not unless Purpura is a mind reader or is paying draft choices out of his own pocket. Who pays the draft choices?
Yeah, the outcome is irrelevant. It was a poor decision to utilize your first two draft picks on high-risk signs (which is what you would have to call trying to sign two high schoolers away from major college ball without any pre-draft agreement), when you've already lost your top two picks to FA signings. It would still be a poor decision, even if both the kids signed for slot value.
As you said, being wrong and didn't work are two different things. This is one case where they unfortunately overlapped.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 09:20:57 pm »And the people who know what they're talking about have explained that those draft choices changed their minds.
Which remains, yet again, irrelevant. Nothing like regurgitating a tangental factoid to the discussion at hand, to put someone in their place.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 09:08:16 pm »I believe it's been explained, by people who are in a position to have a clue, that these draft choices were initially open to appropriate slot money but sought counsel late in the process and changed their mind.
Uh.. yes, I'm aware they exercised their leverage. The point of contention was why draft kids who could bend you over in the first place? TP already seems to have ceded this was a mistake, from his change in strategy comments.
Can't you go make yourself useful on google or something?
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 08:47:05 pm »Hence why I kindly pointed to the Bus Ride for you. Which of course, you declined.
Actually, Noe, my implication was that I had already read the Bus Ride discussions. They've been quite informative.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 08:44:09 pm »So why did you ask?
Excuse me, did I anywhere said he didn't decide to draft them?
Yes. He said as much. He also said he'd probably re-think that sort of strategy from now on and focus on College kids. So what's your point? No one ever disputed this so why are you bringing this up?
Well, Noe, a couple posters prior to my response seemed to be expressing incredulity that anyone would blame TP for the lost picks. The only way I could fathom that is if TP wasn't the one who drafted them, and given that people seem to actually think TP was only McLane's puppet for the past 3 years, I wondered if perhaps that wasn't the case. Hence my two questions.
Given that we've established TP did draft them, the fact that people still want to absolve him of any responsibility for the outcome there still confuses me.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 08:26:47 pm »they did not "exercise leverage" either. they rolled the dice and lost. some genius advisor convinced them that they had the leverage to get first round money. now they are not playing pro ball and must wait for another draft and hope that they do not harm their reputation as players.
you think Kyle Russell exercised leverage by going back to school?
bullshit.
The Astros lost, not these kids. They'll get a great college experience and the opportunity to play premium collegiate baseball, an experience I'd definitely value over the slot value of 3rd/4th round money. In three years they'll get another shot at pro baseball.
Russell had a ton of leverage as a draft-eligible sophomore, which is probably why there were rumors that the Cardinals gave into his signing demands the day of the deadline, even though he's never hit well with a wood bat and has such a long swing. Glad he's returning to UT, though.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 08:21:51 pm »End of discussion? Not quite. Explain, if you can, why Purpura didn't just pay these 3rd and 4th slots, 1st slot money, and inflated 1st slot money at that. It's not his money. It's not coming out of his pocket.
I don't know why he didn't pay them. I'm not an Astros brass, so I haven't a clue. Perhaps because he wasn't authorized the money. More likely because they weren't worth that much money. Perhaps both. I have no problem with the decision not to pay them what they were asking for, none at all.
My complaint stems from using these two picks on kids that can tell you to piss off and go play major college baseball in the ACC and SEC. You'd better be damn well sure you can sign them if you're going to use early round picks on kids with that kind of leverage. He wasn't, and that's something that should be on his hands. I know some people really like TP, but I don't see why that should preculde an objective analysis of his performance.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 07:34:44 pm »He worked with his group and drafted these guys. They said they wanted X money, then turned around and said they changed their minds and wanted Y money. McLane said no and then fired Purpura for putting him in the position to say no I guess.
Maybe you should read the Bus Ride section, it's been rehashed over and over exactly what happened.
And perhaps I'm aware of what happened?
TP decided to draft them. End of discussion. He's responsible for getting players into the system with premium round picks. He chose to draft two guys out high school with a lot of leverage, and unsurprisingly they chose to exercise it.
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Talk Zone / Re: Scrap Iron is a Class Act.
« on: August 28, 2007, 07:18:14 pm »
So TP didn't draft these guys?
What exactly did he do?
What exactly did he do?
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Talk Zone / Re: Footer on 1560AM right now (5:15) nm
« on: August 27, 2007, 09:12:52 pm »Footer explained that MLB was pushing hard for teams to stick with 'slot money' and so they did. They were asking for 1st and 2nd round money for 3rd and 4th round picks. I don't blame the Astros for turning it down.
Such is life when dealing with 18 year olds who can tell you to fuck off, go to college, then re-enter the draft in 3 years..
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 05:20:13 pm »look, NO ONE IN RR THOUGHT HE WAS READY OUT OF ST. everyone agreed that he needed time at AAA. sending him there was in no way a mistake, and he was not killing the league when he went up.
he had a great start, but he still may finish at .275. just watch the games, and try not to fix blame on everything.
I think I pretty clearly stated the decision to leave him in RR was one that most any GM would make... and I've retracted my statements concerning such.
I'm not out to blame anyone for anything. If the organization is weaker now whatever reason, it's not going to detract from my ability to enjoy watching the Stros play. But I disagree with the general consensus that this firing had nothing to do with TP's baseball decisions, or that he was never given an opportunity to prove himself.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 05:00:47 pm »You're wrong. We don't know what kind of start Pence would have gotten off to had he started the season with the parent club.
You don't say.....
I've deleted that statement, since I agree in hindsight my statement was a stretch. I still think its emblematic of a problem in TP trusting his young players. He didn't think Hirsh was ready. He didn't think Pence was ready. And in both cases, his decision to look elsewhere for production proved detrimental.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:31:18 pm »
Losing a month of his production was a mistake. One most GM's would probably make, one TP shouldn't be crucified for, but a mistake nonetheless.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:23:58 pm »The Jeff Bagwell trade would've never happened on Hunsicker's or Purpura's watch because the team was too successful to have been involved in such a situation.
Except this season? It would have never happened because TP decided he wouldn't trade any of the 3 relievers other teams were interested in for a 'lowly AA player' that couldn't help right away.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:20:42 pm »
"i can ony assume you mean Qualls. Who has been a mainstay for the bullpen for the past four years. The same bullpen that has provided the stability for the playoff pushes and late season runs for the past 3 years. At what point in time do you suggest that he was to be traded and for what "low level prospects"."
I think you kind of answered it yourself. There was no July playoff push this season. No late season run. So this year, obviously.
"Maybe as soon as his players coming up through the system prove themself major league caliber or not? Most of Purpura's "incompetence" that people see boil down to one of two things, too much faith in "his" players, Lane, Burke, Ensbreg, that did not perform up to expectations. And a trade that was to meet a serious need on the team this year that did not turn out because of injury. Whether anybody inlcuding Madam Cleo could have known he was injured is up to other people to judge."
Right, putting faith in guys like Lane was a mistake. Trading for Jennings was a mistake, not because he was injured, but because this was a guy who put up 5+ ERAs 3 of the last 4 seasons. I don't think you can trade away 3 young players, including your starting CF and a promising pitcher like JH just for an inning eater with that kind of track record. But that's me. I wouldn't call it his worst decision by any stretch..
Edited to remove the Pence comment, which I'll cede was a stretch.
I think you kind of answered it yourself. There was no July playoff push this season. No late season run. So this year, obviously.
"Maybe as soon as his players coming up through the system prove themself major league caliber or not? Most of Purpura's "incompetence" that people see boil down to one of two things, too much faith in "his" players, Lane, Burke, Ensbreg, that did not perform up to expectations. And a trade that was to meet a serious need on the team this year that did not turn out because of injury. Whether anybody inlcuding Madam Cleo could have known he was injured is up to other people to judge."
Right, putting faith in guys like Lane was a mistake. Trading for Jennings was a mistake, not because he was injured, but because this was a guy who put up 5+ ERAs 3 of the last 4 seasons. I don't think you can trade away 3 young players, including your starting CF and a promising pitcher like JH just for an inning eater with that kind of track record. But that's me. I wouldn't call it his worst decision by any stretch..
Edited to remove the Pence comment, which I'll cede was a stretch.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:13:31 pm »I dispute that.
You follow it more closely than I do, so I hope I'm wrong.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:01:15 pm »Just how quickly do you think it takes a player to move from being drafted into the upper levels of the farm system to be able to provide help to the big club?
This is not football or basketball where just drafted personnel make immediate impact, except in the rarest of occassions.
The results of Purpuras drafts are still making their way up through the organization. The "even more depeleted" state is because of the firesale of minor league players in the Go For It All trade philosophy of the past several years. Coupled with the weak drafts that Pupura didnt make, and you have an organization waiting to implode.
The point being, this 3 years as seen by some as an eternity to "prove oneself", is not an acceptable time period to actually prove anything.
Yeah, I'm aware of how the farm system works, and I'm aware the farm system was already in pretty sorry states--although it at least included names such as Hirsh, Patton, Pence.. That depletion has only been further compounded by picks lost to FA signings or refusal to offer departing FA's arbitration, young players lost in the ill-conceived Jennings trade, and the inability to sign draft picks (it's TP's decision to emphasize signing HS players-- HS players with div 1 scholarships have a ton of draft day leverage). It also didn't help that he refused to trade failed starters like CQ for low level prospects, because of his insistance that they get someone that can help now in return.
If the farm system is weakened to help the club, that's one thing. But neither happened under TP. The team has gotten worse, and the farm system has gotten weaker. How much longer do the Astros really need to continue that pattern?
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:18:51 pm »And he did a fine job with the organization before his stint as GM. I think Drayton had way more influence on the day to day baseball decisions that he should have.
1. I think that Jennings going to Baylor was a major reason that he is an Astro.
2. Taveras' agent was the devil. Think that might have something to do with the trade? Think the puppet master might have made that call.
3. Going back, do you think it was Gerry's decision to resign Biggio?
4. What about the Randy Johnson trade, GM's decision?
All of the above IMO of course.
So if TP is just a mindless puppet of Drayton, then what does it even matter if he's gone?
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:17:36 pm »what does his tenure pre-GM have to do with whether or not he was given a chance to succeed as a GM? He inherited a depleted farm system that was seeing the results of several poor drafts prior to his GM promotion.
Ok, he's been GM for 3 years... and the system is more depleted than ever. Where the hell are you going with this?
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:10:40 pm »Not if he wasnt given the chance to succeed.
Care to expound? He's been GM for 3 years, and with the organization longer than that..
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:05:04 pm »He's a fucking liar. That's how. By the way, with Tal Smith you get the Crawford Boxes, a Hill, a Pole, and the necessity to paint a line to raise the fences after the first season. Baseball is not foremost in his mind.
He's a fucking salesman. What do you think he's going to say.
That's why you rely on what people do, not what they say.
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Talk Zone / Re: what's the big announcement in 30 minutes?
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:03:23 pm »And that is likely why the events of today seem so depressing -- the realization that this is a marketing-driven monster now instead of the team of which we've been true fans.
I think there's plenty 'baseball-driven' reasons to ditch TP.
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The Bus Ride Discussion Forum / Re: 2007 Draft Thread
« on: August 16, 2007, 01:10:40 pm »It could turn out to be a terrible draft. Or maybe not. We won't know for years.
My criticism of BA's rankings, etc is that it's their opinion. They're sportswriters, not scouts or GMs. What they think is irrelevant. But, it is knee jerk because we don't know how each player is going to turn out. Baseball development is a crapshoot. To judge a draft the same year it's done is meaningless and an exercise in futility.
Lexington will be populated by a few hold overs from this year, most of the Tri-City roster, a few from Greeneville, and a FA signee or two.
Your criticism is what strikes me as knee jerk. BA relies heavily on input from scouts, from minor league and collegiate coaches, and team management, so it's silly to just write it off as 'their opinion'. I'm also pretty darn sure they're aware that the true worth of a draft won't reveal itself until 4-5 years later.. but that hardly prohibits one from evaluating on the work to date. The point of the draft is to add as much talent to your system as you can, and hope it pans out. The Astros added the least amount of talent to their system than any other team. They have had the worst draft so far.
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Talk Zone / Re: Dear Mr. Jennings:
« on: July 30, 2007, 10:47:04 am »this is total bullshit.
You can disagree with it all you want for all I care, but it was a sentiment that was widely echoed, and has been since vindicated, I would say.
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Talk Zone / Re: Dear Mr. Jennings:
« on: July 30, 2007, 10:41:36 am »Jenning's performance this season couldn't have been predicted by how he's pitched in the past.
Really? His performance this year seems fairly in line with his pitching numbers from 2003-2005. Sub .500 record, ERA over 5.
Quite a few people trashed this trade because they thought Hirch alone would perform as well as Jennings could, at a tenth the cost. Guess they were wrong, he's outpitched him handily.
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Talk Zone / Re: For those out on the (far) NW side (nonBB)
« on: July 09, 2007, 11:44:24 am »
Making the Dallas-Houston trek a few times this summer, I noticed there's a drive-in about 30 miles outside of Dallas as well.
Unfortunately, it's right next to an active landfill, so I'm not sure how pleasant an experience that could be...
Unfortunately, it's right next to an active landfill, so I'm not sure how pleasant an experience that could be...
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Talk Zone / Re: Pence now leads NL
« on: July 09, 2007, 11:38:43 am »So leading the league at some arbitrary date is now an accomplishment?
Yeah, outperforming the rest of the NL BA-wise over half a season is impressive.
Particularly given all of the supposed limitations Pence carried with him, that we were regularly warned about.
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Talk Zone / Re: Anyone watching the Rice vs. North Carolina game?
« on: June 18, 2007, 11:13:19 am »
Anyone who wants to watch today's CWS action from the office, it's available through
http://www.channelsurfing.net/
It's a pretty high quality feed through ESPN when they turn it on.
http://www.channelsurfing.net/
It's a pretty high quality feed through ESPN when they turn it on.
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Talk Zone / Re: NCAA Regional (Non-Astros)
« on: June 01, 2007, 11:46:06 pm »
www.ncaa-baseball.com
is another good site with daily scores throughout the year, plus links to gametrackers and boxscores, team sites, etc..
is another good site with daily scores throughout the year, plus links to gametrackers and boxscores, team sites, etc..
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Talk Zone / Re: Never, never, never, never take the field if you're not up to playing
« on: May 25, 2007, 12:08:40 pm »I'm not exaggerating when I say that Micah Owings is not that good. Not complete game type of good, is what I am saying. Is he bad? That is not what I am saying either. I wish folks would really try to understand what I actually say and not what they think I am saying. He's an average starter. Nothing great. And I don't base this on stats, I base it on what I saw last night. He is not mechanically sound, so teams need to adjust to him and once the league catches up to him, he's going to have to adjust as well. He doesn't really have the type of stuff that tells me he's going to be a top of the line starter.
So, are you a Tulane alumn?
Nah, not an alum of Tulane.. I just follow NCAA baseball closely.
You should perhaps think about how others will read your words. When you refer to the struggling D'backs and a rookie pitcher that has only lasted a short time his last few starts, 99% of people will infer that the Astros were shut down by a nobody that the rest of the league has been shelling. Unfortunately, that isn't close to being the case.
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Talk Zone / Re: Never, never, never, never take the field if you're not up to playing
« on: May 25, 2007, 11:45:15 am »He's not that good. Sorry.
Eh, sorry as well, but he has been quite good as a starter this year. Throw out the Pittsburgh game, and he has an ERA under 3 over 6 starts.
You can attack the Astros all you want.. but I don't see the need to exaggerate their struggles.
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Talk Zone / Re: Never, never, never, never take the field if you're not up to playing
« on: May 25, 2007, 11:29:15 am »Diamondbacks and a rookie pitcher who lasted all of 1 and 1.2 innings his last two starts. He threw a freaking complete game on the local nine.
ESPN's game log could be crap... but it says he lasted 2.2 innings his last start. Every start before that looks very respectable. The 1.2 inning stint came in relief.
A pretty remarkable climb for Owings, who two years ago at this time was pitching in an NCAA regional...
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Game Zone 2007 Archive / Re: Gints @ Astros - 5/16/07
« on: May 16, 2007, 08:49:41 pm »six for six in the series
We might even get a 1-2 day reprieve here from hearing how hopelessly overmatched he is...
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Game Zone 2007 Archive / Re: Astros at Dickities - 5/10/07
« on: May 10, 2007, 12:18:09 pm »
He came. He came. and he vanished.
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Talk Zone / Re: I feel strangely good
« on: April 03, 2007, 04:18:11 pm »The tv replays had a good shot of Biggio was guiding/waving him to the outside of the plate. Burke followed Biggio's guide to the "T".
This is correct. Seems Burke was sunk by the guidance of both the 3rd base coach and Biggio...
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Talk Zone / Re: college classic/fan fest news
« on: January 07, 2007, 01:20:27 pm »
Be sure to check out David Price from Vandy. He might be the best collegiate pitcher in the nation, and should make for a good Friday noon game between Rice and Vanderbilt.
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Talk Zone / Re: "The Roger Clemens Sweepstakes"
« on: August 27, 2006, 02:10:09 pm »Quote:
Yeah but 5 games for the REd Socks is only 5 games. However, for the Astros it's a whole 5 games. Wait a second...
Not to mention that 'we/the Astros' only have to make those 5 games up vs teams that are 3-4 games over .500, while the Red Sox need to reclaim 5 games against teams that are 25 games over .500.
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Talk Zone / Re: Harold Reynolds fired by ESPN
« on: July 25, 2006, 02:41:19 pm »Quote:
That really sucks. He was by far my favorite on BBTN, and I really enjoyed his work at the CWS each year. I hope he resurfaces at Fox, as the network could use some new blood during its playoff broadcasts.
Well, I would imagine we'd have differing degrees of appreciation at his ability to reference Huston Street 3-4 times in a UNC-Clemson matchup.. but I thought in general his CWS work has been pretty weak over the years, and was easily outclassed by Karros. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere else though.
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Talk Zone / Re: Oregon State, NCAA Champions
« on: June 27, 2006, 01:27:11 pm »Quote:
Congrats to the Beavers. Heck of a job coming back after losing their opening game. Great, great tournament.
That's impossible. Northern schools will never have success in baseball until they add a mandatory March start date.
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Talk Zone / Re: Bad night for Houston baseball
« on: June 23, 2006, 02:57:59 am »Quote:
Astros drop the Racket's return. Rice drops its second in a row to Oregon State and is eliminated from the CWS.
That was a bummer, but a great season from a mostly sophomore/freshmen team that'll only lose 4 contributors from next year's squad. Hopefully the Astros will be playing well into October so we can transition right into Fall Ball...
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Talk Zone / Re: Anyone know if the Rice OU game will be televised today?
« on: June 13, 2006, 10:01:54 pm »Quote:
Need to flip back and forth between the World Cup.
BTW, just as confirmation for how much OU really does suck, their second baseman intentionally threw a ball into the stands, hitting a fan, while warming up in the field the inning after Rice put up the go-ahead 5-run spot.
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Talk Zone / Re: Anyone know if the Rice OU game will be televised today?
« on: June 12, 2006, 12:05:50 pm »Quote:
Need to flip back and forth between the World Cup.
Noon on ESPN.
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Talk Zone / Re: NCAA Regionals
« on: May 16, 2006, 12:47:43 pm »
I don't think they have... UH has only hosted NCAA regionals in recent times in 1999 and 2000, and I think Rice went to Lubbock in 1999 and played in UH's regional in 2000.
If both played their way into national seeds, I don't think the NCAA would hestitate to award both of them as hosts. But given that UH is a borderline #1/#2, and that Rice will most likely be a top 4 national seed, I don't see two regionals in Houston this year...
If both played their way into national seeds, I don't think the NCAA would hestitate to award both of them as hosts. But given that UH is a borderline #1/#2, and that Rice will most likely be a top 4 national seed, I don't see two regionals in Houston this year...
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Talk Zone / Re: College Baseball
« on: March 08, 2006, 01:03:15 pm »
Awful fielding and shaky pitching seems to be contagious.
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Is he in exile?
Nah, I don't think making a statement tantamount to 'this team is currently headed in the wrong direction' early in the 2005 season is quite cause to seek refuge elsewhere.
Besides, the real estate market on Elba is out of control.
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Talk Zone / Re: One of the Astros targets spurns the Astros
« on: November 18, 2005, 12:25:04 am »
So is it cause for optimism (that we'll be buyers this offseason), that we were interested in a middle reliever with that kind of price tag?
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Talk Zone / Re: Mike Burns claimed by the Reds
« on: November 17, 2005, 09:11:00 pm »Quote:Quote:
B. The complaint that the Astros supposedly reduced their chances of winning by losing Abreu, Santana, and now D.J.Houlton to Rule 5. Not to mention all these other guys that they've just frittered away from their minor league system.
What does the number of Jason Lane postseason ABs or the number of Garcia wins have to do with any of this? I still don't see a connection.
Some people aren't aware reduced and eliminated aren't synonyms.
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Talk Zone / Re: Maximus to Atl?
« on: November 17, 2005, 01:44:15 am »Quote:Quote:
Did they propose the trade recently? For who? Furcal? That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA. Francouer?
No way in hell the Braves trade Francouer this offseason. Not unless somebody drops the tailgate and rolls out a helluva' lot more than a defensive SS.
I'm always befuddled by suggestions that teams (other than Kansas City) might be willing to trade away high-profile, pre-arbitration talent. Unless they know it's overvalued in the market. See, e.g., Burke.
Is Francouer overvalued by the market? Maybe. If not, the Braves won't deal him. If so, then why would the Astros want him?
Yeah, I don't know how Francouer's name found its way into this thread. That's about as close to untouchable as they come.
They do have a couple of nice looking SS prospects though, it seems.
Is Burke overvalued in your eyes because you don't think he's much of a player, or because you think other teams will already appreciate him as a very good player based on his postseason success?
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Talk Zone / Re: Corked Bats
« on: November 16, 2005, 01:25:18 am »Quote:
Of course they don't work. Not only does cork screw up the harmonics of the kinetic energy transfer, cork actually absorbs energy from the impact.
It's like literally adding wet noodle to your bat. Sure, it's lighter, but you ain't hitting the ball further.
The best hitters are those who can see the ball the longest-- and if a corked bat can speed up the bat and allow you to wait longer, while maintaining a virtually identical overall performance to a non-corked bat (per this guy's experimentation?), there would seem a significant advantage there.
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Talk Zone / Re: Ryan Howard wins NL ROY
« on: November 10, 2005, 02:26:08 pm »Quote:Quote:Quote:
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Was Biggio that bad in centerfield? The consensus now seems to be that Biggio was a huge defensive liability in centerfield, but I remember that then the consensus hereabouts was that Biggio wasn't great in center, but he was at least adequate. When he moved to left, it was a different story, but in center people were fairly protective. I don't think at the time anyone would have replaced Biggio with a better defender with no bat. Maybe I remember things wrong.
You remember things correctly. It's kind of amusing to see the turnaround, particularly given their fervor at the time.
I don't know, my memory's not that good, and people changing their mind never bothers me much. I'd note for you, though, that while defensive numbers aren't very useful, they at least indicate that Biggio was fairly consistent in centerfield between 2004 and 2003. In 2003 he was getting .24826 put outs per inning, in 2004 in centerfield his number dropped to .235088. I guess that's a significant drop, but you're also talking about the difference between 1313 and 570 innings between the two seasons. I just don't remember it being anything anyone was particulary worried about at the time. I certainly didn't have the impression that Biggio's horrendous defensive nosedive between 2003 and 2004 was the reason we traded for Beltran, or something that we were talking about here, particularly. Interestingly, as I'd already posted, Taveras had 2.64753 put outs over 1254 innings, which is clearly better, but in 2002 Berkman had 2.39791 in centerfield, so you can make an argument that Biggio was a better defensive centerfielder in 2003 than Berkman in 2002, and wasn't significantly worse than Berkman in 2004. Beltran was much better than Biggio, with .2603 over 772 innings, but worse than Taveras. Biggio had 1 and 0 errors in 2003 and 2004 respectively, Berkman had 4 errors in 2002, and Beltran had 5 errors in 2004 in CF for the Astros. I don't know what the error numbers mean, but it probably brings Beltran's performance down a bit, and it makes Taveras's 3 errors over a lot more innings look pretty terrific. As an aside, I witnessed the most spectacular of those errors live and in person, so it kinda colors my opinion of Taveras.
Most interesting to me is what happens to Biggio when he moves to left: his put outs drop to .177289 with 9 errors over 570 innings. Interestingly, Berkman in the 2004 played 608.7 innings in left, and had a lower put-out rate, 1.52785, than Biggio, and I remember thinking that Berkman played left pretty well. Neither compares to Burke this year with .22 outs per inning. If the numbers have any meaning, that starts looking really good.
Course as I said, all of that becomes a bit suspect because you don't know whether comparing put outs per inning from year to year and player to player is really comparing apples to apples, but the numbers at least are pretty tangible, and they look right. Unlike most defensive numbers, there appears to be some real differences between them. And it seems at least something of a safe assumption that the number of chances is going to be reasonably comparable from year to year.
I don't have a problem with people changing their mind. I think it's a good sign, if people can be open-minded. I think Beltran opened a lot of eyes for some people, about how CF can be played.
Glad your numbers show fairly similar play from Bidge in 2003 and 2004. I thought he was a crummy CF both years.
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Talk Zone / Re: Ryan Howard wins NL ROY
« on: November 09, 2005, 07:48:44 pm »Quote:
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Was Biggio that bad in centerfield? The consensus now seems to be that Biggio was a huge defensive liability in centerfield, but I remember that then the consensus hereabouts was that Biggio wasn't great in center, but he was at least adequate. When he moved to left, it was a different story, but in center people were fairly protective. I don't think at the time anyone would have replaced Biggio with a better defender with no bat. Maybe I remember things wrong.
You remember things correctly. It's kind of amusing to see the turnaround, particularly given their fervor at the time.
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Talk Zone / Re: The last of this article is freaking genius genius i say
« on: October 30, 2005, 05:04:33 pm »
"""``It was a little different for me here, because this just seemed like such a huge mountain to climb to be able to get to the World Series with the team that we have,'' said pitcher Andy Pettitte."""
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Talk Zone / Re: Question about Game 3 9th inning
« on: October 29, 2005, 03:59:48 pm »
I'm glad others had the same thought I had during the game, about PH'ing for WT. I think Garner did a great job all year, but I think he made a mistake there.
I can empathize with not wanting to take out a hitter who's running hot at the plate and who you'd like to keep in CF, but an inexperienced slap-hitter with poor plate discipline is the last thing you want in the box to face a wild (but veteran) pitcher with a runner on 3rd and one out. Palmeiro, particularly with his .500 lifetime BA against El Duque, would have been a great choice.
I can empathize with not wanting to take out a hitter who's running hot at the plate and who you'd like to keep in CF, but an inexperienced slap-hitter with poor plate discipline is the last thing you want in the box to face a wild (but veteran) pitcher with a runner on 3rd and one out. Palmeiro, particularly with his .500 lifetime BA against El Duque, would have been a great choice.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 07:23:19 pm »Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
And why is that, exactly? Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa? Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.
Sounds serious.
Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.
So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit? You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.
Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?
"This Astros team is going nowhere."
So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere" and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?
I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata. Sorry.
Are you actually quibbling about what the word "is" means?
To continue the Clinton reference... I feel your pain, pravata. I know given your situation, few things would give you more pleasure than to make someone eat their words.
I'm not your huckleberry on this though, sadly. No one can seriously deny that saying the Astros were going nowhere at that junction in the season was false. They weren't going anywhere at the time.
From.. what 7? 8? years following the TZ on OWA and AC, I know you get off on these back and forths. I think I've done my part to satiate you for a little while.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 07:12:23 pm »Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
And why is that, exactly? Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa? Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.
Sounds serious.
Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.
So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit? You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.
Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?
"This Astros team is going nowhere."
So basically it boils down to your inability to distinguish between "This Astros team is going nowhere" and "This Astros team will go nowhere"?
I can't be held responsible for your deficiences in reading comprehension, pravata. Sorry.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 07:06:31 pm »Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
And why is that, exactly? Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa? Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.
Sounds serious.
Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.
So, continuing to insist on your interpretation of the situation when it's been proven to be completely wrong hasn't detered you one bit? You just keep trotting out those opinions, and we'll keep laughing at them.
Do tell, what has been 'proven to be completely wrong'?
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 07:05:10 pm »Quote:Quote:
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, whicplayed shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals.
Holy shit, they really set the bar low for winning a league pennant this season. What's your evaluation of the White Sox? Somewhat above mediocre? Because the Astros were one timely hit, good pitch or defensive play away from winning all 4 of those games, and I would think the gulf between "best team in baseball" and "mediocre" would be a little wider than that.
Yeah, you need breaks to win it all. The Astros didn't get enough of them. The White Sox were a good team with some players running hot, that got plenty of breaks and took advantage of them. That'll translate into 11 wins in 12 games. I think there were a couple threads here talking about how the Sox were good, but nothing special.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 06:59:41 pm »Quote:
You read it here folks. The N.L. Champs are "mediocre."
Mediocre, and yet more often than not, found a way to win. Gotta love it.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 06:54:11 pm »Quote:Quote:
And why is that, exactly? Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa? Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
You should seriously consider the track record of your declarative sentences.
Sounds serious.
Most people with talents and/or positions in life that fall well short of their egos just buy guns.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 06:45:14 pm »
And why is that, exactly? Do you feel I owe some huge mea culpa? Do you suppose I'm a some sort of "front-runner" for honestly evaluating the state of the team?
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
This WAS and IS a mediocre team, which played shitty defense, underperformed on offense with often awful at-bats, and had terrible fundamentals. It was exactly these limitations we saw in all 4 games of the WS, and which made for, yes, *gasp*, bad baseball. So you can go fuck yourself before expecting me to apologize or renounce any of these honestly formed opinions.
Like everyone, I'm glad the heart and grit of this team, and the leadership of men like Clemens/Pettitte/Ausmus/Bagwell/Biggio, allowed this team to salvage their season, and make the greatest postseason run this franchise and its fans have ever been treated to. But that doesn't for a second offer any sort of rebuttal to my statements above.
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Talk Zone / Re: ESPN.com
« on: October 27, 2005, 06:01:39 pm »
Even as an diehard Astros fan, I don't disagree with them. It wasn't good baseball.
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Talk Zone / Re: How Much Do I Rule?
« on: October 21, 2005, 05:29:21 pm »
I was actually wondering Tuesday night where all of the insufferable whiners who came out from their holes to pile on the misery during the October 2001 playoffs on AstrosConnection were.
Glad to see you're well.
Glad to see you're well.
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Talk Zone / Re: Help Needed...
« on: October 20, 2005, 03:25:10 pm »
I was going to suggest a Rainbow armband, ala the 80's uniforms.
Should give you a nice contingency plan if things ever sour between you and the Missus, as well.
Should give you a nice contingency plan if things ever sour between you and the Missus, as well.
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Talk Zone / Re: Ok, I'm Over It.
« on: October 18, 2005, 07:07:41 pm »
All Game 5 did was make us mad. That's not a bad thing.
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Talk Zone / Re: rumor, but the source is pretty good
« on: October 16, 2005, 02:54:04 pm »
Bad news for us and the rest of the NL.
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Talk Zone / Re: Everyone kick the weird kid!
« on: October 11, 2005, 03:45:52 pm »Quote:Quote:
So after game 4 (and game 2, really) do we still think offensive production from the C is meaningless?
Who is we?
Sorry. Just to clarify, by 'we', I was specifically referring to the bastardized children of Larry Jones.
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Talk Zone / Re: Everyone kick the weird kid!
« on: October 11, 2005, 02:54:46 pm »
So after game 4 (and game 2, really) do we still think offensive production from the C is meaningless?
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Talk Zone / Re: Holy Fucking Shit
« on: October 09, 2005, 08:55:34 pm »
I was that Dome in '86 as well. Looks like I can't say I was at the greatest baseball game in Astro history anymore.
God, what a great afternoon.
God, what a great afternoon.
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Talk Zone / Re: thank you Laroche
« on: October 09, 2005, 08:53:08 pm »
It's not like he suddenly went faster once he was waved home.. perhaps he's just got Berkman speed.
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