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Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 29, 2018, 09:40:05 pm
Thought the other thread was getting a bit unwieldy so as we head into the new year a new thread...

Pitchers (20)
Abreu
Armenteros
Cole
Deetz
Devenski
Guduan
Harris
James
Martes (questionable whether he's moved to 60-day DL due to possible service time implications)
McCullers (almost certainly gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training)
McHugh
Osuna
Peacock (out of options)
Perez
Pressly
Rodgers
Rondon
Smith (probably gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training if spot needed)
Valdez
Verlander

Catchers (3)
Chirinos
Stassi (out of options)
Stubbs*

Infielders [8]
Altuve
Bregman
Correa
Davis
Diaz
Gurriel
Reed*
White (out of options)

Outfielders [8]
Brantley*
Fisher*
Kemp* (out of options)
Marisnick (can elect free agency under Article XIX(A) if sent to minors 40 days after the season starts)
Reddick*
Springer
Straw
Tucker*

*Lefty-hitting
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 29, 2018, 09:42:23 pm
Added some more names mentioned recently in the other thread...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on December 30, 2018, 08:22:34 am
Wow, Nate!  You're a gentleman and a scholar!  Thank you for all your work.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 31, 2018, 08:37:24 am
TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitchers who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)[/list]
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 31, 2018, 07:18:15 pm
Lefty  Yusei Kikuchi's deadline for signing with a US club is Wednesday at 2PM after being posted by the Seibu Lions a month ago. The only two estimates I've seen for a contract were 6 yrs @ $7MM AAV (MLBTR) and 3 yrs @ $10MM AAV (Ken Davidoff). Posting fee is 20% of the 1st $25MM and 17.5% of the next $25MM. Important to note that the release fee (aka posting fee) is NOT subject to the CBT.

So Kikuchi apprently has been in LA the past couple of weeks negotiating with clubs (although reportedly today he was visiting the Mariners). His agent is...Scott Boras. Boras I'm sure has hordes of subordinates so the fact he took time out to visit Houston during that time is probably of zero note. OTOH, the price tag for Kikuchi may not be extremely high (at least based on those two estimates) so despite the lack of evidence elsewhere could the Astros be making a stealth approach there?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on December 31, 2018, 09:07:08 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on December 31, 2018, 07:18:15 pm
Lefty  Yusei Kikuchi's deadline for signing with a US club is Wednesday at 2PM after being posted by the Seibu Lions a month ago. The only two estimates I've seen for a contract were 6 yrs @ $7MM AAV (MLBTR) and 3 yrs @ $10MM AAV (Ken Davidoff). Posting fee is 20% of the 1st $25MM and 17.5% of the next $25MM. Important to note that the release fee (aka posting fee) is NOT subject to the CBT.

So Kikuchi apprently has been in LA the past couple of weeks negotiating with clubs (although reportedly today he was visiting the Mariners). His agent is...Scott Boras. Boras I'm sure has hordes of subordinates so the fact he took time out to visit Houston during that time is probably of zero note. OTOH, the price tag for Kikuchi may not be extremely high (at least based on those two estimates) so despite the lack of evidence elsewhere could the Astros be making a stealth approach there?
For sure they'll make a pitch and probably an offer.

I have seen on twitter that they are in on him but I don't remember if it was from a good source or some random person spewing bullshit.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on December 31, 2018, 09:15:54 pm
Quote from: doyce7 on December 31, 2018, 09:07:08 pm
For sure they'll make a pitch and probably an offer.

I have seen on twitter that they are in on him but I don't remember if it was from a good source or some random person spewing bullshit.

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Heyman says he has a deal with the Mariners

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on December 31, 2018, 10:27:13 pm
Quote from: doyce7 on December 31, 2018, 09:15:54 pm
Heyman says he has a deal with the Mariners


Sooo traded in 5... 4... 3...


(I actually think the Ms are going to be decent next season)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on January 01, 2019, 06:45:17 am
Quote from: moriartp on December 31, 2018, 10:27:13 pm

Sooo traded in 5... 4... 3...


(I actually think the Ms are going to be decent next season)


Let me know when they trade Haniger, because that guy pisses me off.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 01, 2019, 12:16:18 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on December 31, 2018, 07:18:15 pm
The only two estimates I've seen for a contract were 6 yrs @ $7MM AAV (MLBTR) and 3 yrs @ $10MM AAV (Ken Davidoff). Posting fee is 20% of the 1st $25MM and 17.5% of the next $25MM. Important to note that the release fee (aka posting fee) is NOT subject to the CBT.

It actually turned out to be a fairly rich deal with guaranteed money significantly above those estimates--3 yrs @ $14.33 AAV with a player option of $13MM for a 4th year (for a total guarantee of $56MM). The release fee would tack another $10MM or so on to that total. Not quite sure what the Mariners were thinking agreeing to a deal at that price.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 01, 2019, 03:18:24 pm
So what are the Mariners up to?

Seems like a weird signing in the middle of what looked like a fire sale.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 01, 2019, 03:31:20 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on January 01, 2019, 03:18:24 pm
So what are the Mariners up to?

Seems like a weird signing in the middle of what looked like a fire sale.

They’ve cleared a ton of money, but they’re not bad enough to “compete” for a top pick in the draft. Makes sense to add a decent starter to keep them respectable in 2019. And they plan to contend relatively soon, so there’s an outside chance he could be part of their next postseason team.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 02, 2019, 01:09:53 pm
Jeff Passan quotes an exec as saying that Yasmani Grandal might be this year's version of Mike Moustakas as someone who was looking for a multi-year contract but may end up accepting a 1-year pillow contract.

(MLBTR (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/passans-latest-harper-profar-gray-ray-grandal-pollock-ender.html))
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 02, 2019, 02:44:36 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 02, 2019, 01:09:53 pm
Jeff Passan quotes an exec as saying that Yasmani Grandal might be this year's version of Mike Moustakas as someone who was looking for a multi-year contract but may end up accepting a 1-year pillow contract.

(MLBTR (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/passans-latest-harper-profar-gray-ray-grandal-pollock-ender.html))
If the contract he was offered from the New York Mets as reported was correct, he is going to regret not taking that deal.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 04, 2019, 09:12:16 am
here is a suggestion the Astros look at Gio Gonzalez. https://climbingtalshill.com/2019/01/02/astros-gonzalez-possibly-help-rotation/

I could see that.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 04, 2019, 03:27:28 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 04, 2019, 09:12:16 am
here is a suggestion the Astros look at Gio Gonzalez. https://climbingtalshill.com/2019/01/02/astros-gonzalez-possibly-help-rotation/

I could see that.
I agree. If the brass isn’t going to make a deal for a top starting pitcher, practically any of the remaining low end of the market free agents are probably on the table. I think at least one starter, either thru trade or fee agency, is a must. While I like our rookies, I’d like some veteran depth at the back end, just in case someone near the top end of the rotation goes down for a bit.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on January 04, 2019, 09:38:40 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 04, 2019, 03:27:28 pm
I agree. If the brass isn’t going to make a deal for a top starting pitcher, practically any of the remaining low end of the market free agents are probably on the table. I think at least one starter, either thru trade or fee agency, is a must. While I like our rookies, I’d like some veteran depth at the back end, just in case someone near the top end of the rotation goes down for a bit.

I would be stoked if they picked up Gonzalez. Having watched him pitch in DC, his stuff is remarkable. What always struck me is the Nats just seemed to throw him out there, relying on that stuff. He never really seemed to have a plan. It seems to me that some data-intensive guidance on 1) what to throw particular batters and 2) on what strengths he should leverage in certain situations would do him a world of good. Hallmarks of a Storm transformation...
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 05, 2019, 01:58:29 pm
Quote from: das on January 04, 2019, 09:38:40 pm
I would be stoked if they picked up Gonzalez. Having watched him pitch in DC, his stuff is remarkable. What always struck me is the Nats just seemed to throw him out there, relying on that stuff. He never really seemed to have a plan. It seems to me that some data-intensive guidance on 1) what to throw particular batters and 2) on what strengths he should leverage in certain situations would do him a world of good. Hallmarks of a Storm transformation...
I think Gio's curve rates high on the almighty spin-rate list, too. And perhaps the fact that Luhnow's protege Stearns traded for him in MIL last year is an indication that the analytics like his potential... if the 25 IP he threw for the BrewCrew are any indication, maybe they did help him: 5.0 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.13 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, after putting up very sub-par stats for the Nats prior to the trade.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 05, 2019, 02:28:15 pm
Piggybacking on both of yall’s points, what jumps out at me is Gio only throws that high-spin curve about 20% of the time. Definitely seems like someone who could be Strommed quite effectively.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 05, 2019, 02:58:24 pm
If there any hint we are interested in Gio or is this OWA dreaming?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 05, 2019, 03:30:41 pm
Dreaming. The rumor mill is dead quiet, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 05, 2019, 03:32:33 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 05, 2019, 03:30:41 pm
Dreaming. The rumor mill is dead quiet, as far as I can tell.

But if we keep throwing enough names out there eventually we will nail one, right?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 03:47:44 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 05, 2019, 01:58:29 pm
I think Gio's curve rates high on the almighty spin-rate list, too. And perhaps the fact that Luhnow's protege Stearns traded for him in MIL last year is an indication that the analytics like his potential... if the 25 IP he threw for the BrewCrew are any indication, maybe they did help him: 5.0 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.13 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, after putting up very sub-par stats for the Nats prior to the trade.

Went back to his 4-seamer and away from his sinker when he got to the Brewers (comparable to his usage rates in 2017 when he had a lot of success).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 03:58:15 pm
Added  Gio to the FA list...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on January 05, 2019, 04:37:41 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 05, 2019, 03:32:33 pm
But if we keep throwing enough names out there eventually we will nail one, right?

Gio, Karns, Brett Anderson, Buchholz. I’d be happy with any of them. IMO, it’s the only real need this team has.

I’m in the minority on this but I don’t think DH is a problem. Cruz has been on a slow but steady decline since 2015 and I won’t be surprised if White outhits him this year.

If we don’t get a SP we’re relying on at least two rookies to round out the rotation.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on January 05, 2019, 05:01:32 pm
growing cold...hope to find some longs (rumors..hints….hopes..) to throw on the fire
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 06:09:47 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 05, 2019, 04:37:41 pm
Gio, Karns, Brett Anderson, Buchholz. I’d be happy with any of them.

Curious as to why you'd be happy with the latter three. Karns hasn't pitched since mid-May 2017 after undergoing TOS surgery which is notoriously hard to recover from. Buchholz's extensive injury history was detailed in the other thread. Anderson has alternated between sucking and being hurt for most of his career (twice undergoing back surgery).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on January 05, 2019, 06:51:32 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 06:09:47 pm
Curious as to why you'd be happy with the latter three. Karns hasn't pitched since mid-May 2017 after undergoing TOS surgery which is notoriously hard to recover from. Buchholz's extensive injury history was detailed in the other thread. Anderson has alternated between sucking and being hurt for most of his career (twice undergoing back surgery).
Mostly because they’re cheap. Also because of my pie in the sky optimism.

As far as Karns and TOS I’ve always thought he was underrated and Tyson Ross, Vince Velasquez and Matt Harvey all had good to decent seasons. Has there been an improvement in the recovery process or is it just small sample size?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on January 05, 2019, 07:29:48 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 03:58:15 pm
Added  Gio to the FA list...

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
  • Keuchel: 5@21 vs 5@19 vs [email protected] vs 4@18 vs [email protected]
  • Gonzalez: 3@11 vs 3@10 vs 2@12 vs 2@11 vs N/A (#45 on spin rate list)
  • Eovaldi: 4@16 vs 3@15 vs 4@15 vs 3@14 vs 3@15  [Actual: 4@17]
  • Morton: 1@17 vs [email protected] vs 2@16 vs 1@15 vs 2@18  [Actual: 2@15]
  • Cahill: [email protected] vs 2@6 vs 2@11 vs N/A vs N/A  [Actual: 1@9]
  • Pomeranz: 1@5 vs 1@6 vs 1@6 vs N/A vs N/A (#113 on spin rate list)
  • Hellickson: 1@6 vs 1@5 vs N/A vs N/A vs N/A (#220 on spin rate list)
  • Richards: [email protected] vs 2@5 vs 2@5 vs N/A vs N/A  [Actual: [email protected]]
  • Britton: 4@14 vs 4@15 vs 3@11 vs 3@14 vs 3@12
  • Happ: 2@13 vs 2@13 vs 3@16 vs 2@15 vs 3@16  [Actual: 2@17]
  • Lynn: [email protected] vs 2@8 vs 2@8 vs N/A vs N/A  [Actual: 3@10]

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)

Again, having watched him pitch, I'd take Gio at those 2 and 3 year costs over Eovaldi and definitely Keuchel at 4 or 5 years.  As a matter of fact (in my own head), a Gio signing at those projected costs would take considerable sting out of the Morton loss for me.  And, like @JimR, that was the most troubling Astros loss for me in a long while.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 07:50:33 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 05, 2019, 06:51:32 pm
Mostly because they’re cheap. Also because of my pie in the sky optimism.

As far as Karns and TOS I’ve always thought he was underrated and Tyson Ross, Vince Velasquez and Matt Harvey all had good to decent seasons. Has there been an improvement in the recovery process or is it just small sample size?

I think the red flag with Karns is that he's now going on 20 months without having pitched again (and 18 months since having the surgery). There were some reports of elbow inflammation more recently so that may explain the slow return. Either way, he's probably not someone you'd count on going in to the 2019 season (particularly if you're a contending team like the Astros).

Although as you say he would come cheap (almost certainly a minor league deal).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 09:19:51 pm
Britton heads to  the Bronx...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 05, 2019, 09:58:13 pm
In his The Athletic column today, Rosenthal says the multi-year offer Keuchel turned down from the Astros back in early 2016 was for  5 yrs/$90MM and would have bought out his final 2 arb years (2017 &2018) and his first 3 years of free agency. Taking into account his subsequent $22.35MM in arb earnings, he'll have to receive a guarantee of more than $67.65MM under any new contract to have come out ahead.

(Rosenthal's reporting also summarized in MLBTR)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on January 06, 2019, 09:56:53 am
any real chance of that happening?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 11:50:50 am
Astros and Mets close to a deal involving JD Davis per reports.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 06, 2019, 11:56:30 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 11:50:50 am
Astros and Mets close to a deal involving JD Davis per reports.


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Reports say Lugo not involved. Speculating, maybe just Davis for a low-level minor leaguer?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 12:04:15 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 11:50:50 am
Astros and Mets close to a deal involving JD Davis per reports.


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Latest report says the return is minor leaguers.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on January 06, 2019, 12:05:58 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 06, 2019, 11:56:30 am
Reports say Lugo not involved. Speculating, maybe just Davis for a low-level minor leaguer?

 I’m hoping for a prospect that might help us Land Realmuto.  Regardless, we need to move some of these upper level guys for nothing else than lower level minor leaguers if that’s all we can get. They have nowhere to play and will lose them As minor league free agents eventually.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: chuck on January 06, 2019, 12:10:34 pm
From Chandler:

The Astros traded J.D. Davis and Cody Bohanek to the Mets for minor leaguers Ross Adolph, Luis Santana and Scott Manea.

And:

Luis Santana is a second baseman who was ranked No. 24 in MLBPipeline's Top 30 Mets prospects. Scott Manea is a catcher who was a Single-A All Star last season. Ross Adolph is a 2018 draftee, outfielder, who was his team MVP in short season ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 12:16:26 pm
Quote from: chuck on January 06, 2019, 12:10:34 pm
From Chandler:

The Astros traded J.D. Davis and Cody Bohanek to the Mets for minor leaguers Ross Adolph, Luis Santana and Scott Manea.

And:

Luis Santana is a second baseman who was ranked No. 24 in MLBPipeline's Top 30 Mets prospects. Scott Manea is a catcher who was a Single-A All Star last season. Ross Adolph is a 2018 draftee, outfielder, who was his team MVP in short season ball.
Sounds like a pretty good return for Houston considering Davis had no where to play on the big league roster. Moving him for younger players with future potential is a great move and frees up a 40-man roster spot.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 06, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Quote from a BP prospect writer who thinks the Mets gave up too much:

“I mean seriously if the Astros start calling you on dudes below full season A you should just hang the fuck up”
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 06, 2019, 12:45:38 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 06, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Quote from a BP prospect writer who thinks the Mets gave up too much:

“I mean seriously if the Astros start calling you on dudes below full season A you should just hang the fuck up”
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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 06, 2019, 01:33:37 pm
And then there were 38...

Pitchers (20)
Abreu
Armenteros
Cole
Deetz
Devenski
Guduan
Harris
James
Martes (questionable whether he's moved to 60-day DL due to possible service time implications)
McCullers (almost certainly gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training)
McHugh
Osuna
Peacock (out of options)
Perez
Pressly
Rodgers
Rondon
Smith (probably gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training if spot needed)
Valdez
Verlander

Catchers (3)
Chirinos
Stassi (out of options)
Stubbs*

Infielders [7]
Altuve
Bregman
Correa
Diaz
Gurriel
Reed*
White (out of options)

Outfielders [8]
Brantley*
Fisher*
Kemp* (out of options)
Marisnick (can elect free agency under Article XIX(A) if sent to minors 40 days after the season starts)
Reddick*
Springer
Straw
Tucker*

*Lefty-hitting
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: chuck on January 06, 2019, 01:35:48 pm
I have no idea who any of the prospects are yet I am perfectly comfortable assuming that the Astros fleeced these fools.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on January 06, 2019, 01:44:36 pm
Quote from: chuck on January 06, 2019, 01:35:48 pm
I have no idea who any of the prospects are yet I am perfectly comfortable assuming that the Astros fleeced these fools.

 Hopefully it’s a win-win. Davis has been fantastic in the minors and there’s no reason to think he can’t still turn around and be a slugger for the Mets. Regardless, he wasn’t going to have any playing time in Houston.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on January 06, 2019, 01:48:45 pm
Quote from: chuck on January 06, 2019, 12:10:34 pm
From Chandler:

The Astros traded J.D. Davis and Cody Bohanek to the Mets for minor leaguers Ross Adolph, Luis Santana and Scott Manea.

And:

Luis Santana is a second baseman who was ranked No. 24 in MLBPipeline's Top 30 Mets prospects. Scott Manea is a catcher who was a Single-A All Star last season. Ross Adolph is a 2018 draftee, outfielder, who was his team MVP in short season ball.

My knee jerk reaction is that this is very intriguing, in a good way.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: chuck on January 06, 2019, 02:34:16 pm
Quote from: jaklewein on January 06, 2019, 01:44:36 pm
Hopefully it’s a win-win. Davis has been fantastic in the minors and there’s no reason to think he can’t still turn around and be a slugger for the Mets. Regardless, he wasn’t going to have any playing time in Houston.

I hope he gets to Queens and mashes. He had zero future in Houston and incredibly he'll be 26 at the start of the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on January 06, 2019, 02:56:44 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 06, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Quote from a BP prospect writer who thinks the Mets gave up too much:

“I mean seriously if the Astros start calling you on dudes below full season A you should just hang the fuck up”

What a great compliment to the Astros organization.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: SoonerJim on January 06, 2019, 03:26:29 pm
Quote from: chuck on January 06, 2019, 12:10:34 pm
From Chandler:

The Astros traded J.D. Davis and Cody Bohanek to the Mets for minor leaguers Ross Adolph, Luis Santana and Scott Manea.

And:

Luis Santana is a second baseman who was ranked No. 24 in MLBPipeline's Top 30 Mets prospects. Scott Manea is a catcher who was a Single-A All Star last season. Ross Adolph is a 2018 draftee, outfielder, who was his team MVP in short season ball.

His statline:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=santan002lui
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on January 06, 2019, 03:36:51 pm
Quote from: SoonerJim on January 06, 2019, 03:26:29 pm
His statline:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=santan002lui

Those are pretty good numbers.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on January 06, 2019, 10:39:54 pm
Quote from: chuck on January 06, 2019, 12:10:34 pm
From Chandler:

The Astros traded J.D. Davis and Cody Bohanek to the Mets for minor leaguers Ross Adolph, Luis Santana and Scott Manea.
...
Scott Manea is a catcher who was a Single-A All Star last season. Ross Adolph is a 2018 draftee, outfielder, who was his team MVP in short season ball.
These guys were apparently not the centerpieces, but solid lower-level performers who fill needed roster slots ... Manea in Fayetteville gives Nathan Perry more time to develop, and Adolph probably lands in QC where there is plenty of space.

Meanwhile, Bohanek was aging out but has a decent glove and good make-up ... he might get a look at AA or even AAA with the Mets (though I really have no idea what their system looks like).  Regardless, I wish him well.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 07, 2019, 06:47:38 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 06, 2019, 10:39:54 pm
These guys were apparently not the centerpieces, but solid lower-level performers who fill needed roster slots ... Manea in Fayetteville gives Nathan Perry more time to develop, and Adolph probably lands in QC where there is plenty of space.

Meanwhile, Bohanek was aging out but has a decent glove and good make-up ... he might get a look at AA or even AAA with the Mets (though I really have no idea what their system looks like).  Regardless, I wish him well.

Thanks for this. I am grateful to you Bus Riders who interpret deals for me.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 07, 2019, 08:15:17 am
Quote from: austro on January 06, 2019, 03:36:51 pm
Those are pretty good numbers.

Seems like an Altuve starter kit.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 07, 2019, 09:42:44 am
Quote from: juliogotay on January 07, 2019, 08:15:17 am
Seems like an Altuve starter kit.

Here's a video of the little dude hitting. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESH60m16XiU)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on January 07, 2019, 10:56:15 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 06, 2019, 10:39:54 pm
These guys were apparently not the centerpieces, but solid lower-level performers who fill needed roster slots ... Manea in Fayetteville gives Nathan Perry more time to develop, and Adolph probably lands in QC where there is plenty of space.

Meanwhile, Bohanek was aging out but has a decent glove and good make-up ... he might get a look at AA or even AAA with the Mets (though I really have no idea what their system looks like).  Regardless, I wish him well.

Another thing I find interesting about this trade is that Davis isn't out of options.  Had they kept him he'd be in AAA again, providing depth.  Luhnow must have felt that a) the odds of the Astros really needing him were quite low (I think he'd be right about that) and b) this was a higher than expected end offer for Davis.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on January 07, 2019, 11:03:18 am
Quote from: Jacksonian on January 07, 2019, 10:56:15 am
Another thing I find interesting about this trade is that Davis isn't out of options.  Had they kept him he'd be in AAA again, providing depth.  Luhnow must have felt that a) the odds of the Astros really needing him were quite low (I think he'd be right about that) and b) this was a higher than expected end offer for Davis.

Maybe they really wanted/needed the 40-man roster spot for future moves?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 07, 2019, 12:04:13 pm
Quote from: BUWebguy on January 07, 2019, 11:03:18 am
Maybe they really wanted/needed the 40-man roster spot for future moves?

Hold that thought. I'm thinking this deal was done as a prelude to something else.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on January 07, 2019, 12:25:25 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on January 07, 2019, 10:56:15 am
Another thing I find interesting about this trade is that Davis isn't out of options.  Had they kept him he'd be in AAA again, providing depth.  Luhnow must have felt that a) the odds of the Astros really needing him were quite low (I think he'd be right about that) and b) this was a higher than expected end offer for Davis.

Per Chandler Rome of the HC (and this is through MLB Trade Rumors), Luhnow says they weren't looking to move Davis but the Mets came after him aggressively.  In addition, the C, Scott Manea, was a big part of the deal.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/houston-astros
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 07, 2019, 01:10:03 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on January 07, 2019, 10:56:15 am
Another thing I find interesting about this trade is that Davis isn't out of options.  Had they kept him he'd be in AAA again, providing depth.  Luhnow must have felt that a) the odds of the Astros really needing him were quite low (I think he'd be right about that) and b) this was a higher than expected end offer for Davis.

Truth be told, even without Marwin Gonzales, the Astros have major league options at the ready to move around to fill in where needs might arise. That makes a AAA insurance less viable. When you can move Gurriel and Diaz around and use White at first base, you have pretty good options, not to mention using Bregman at short too. Diaz is going to be someone who helps a lot if he's as good a bat as some say. Might even give Tony Kemp a chance to stick around as a second base option plus outfielder as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 07, 2019, 01:21:32 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 07, 2019, 01:10:03 pm
Truth be told, even without Marwin Gonzales, the Astros have major league options at the ready to move around to fill in where needs might arise. That makes a AAA insurance less viable. When you can move Gurriel and Diaz around and use White at first base, you have pretty good options, not to mention using Bregman at short too. Diaz is going to be someone who helps a lot if he's as good a bat as some say. Might even give Tony Kemp a chance to stick around as a second base option plus outfielder as well.

It's interesting that Hinch has gone out of his way not to use Kemp at 2B. Not that there is a lot of opportunity for  time there.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 07, 2019, 03:05:48 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 07, 2019, 01:21:32 pm
It's interesting that Hinch has gone out of his way not to use Kemp at 2B. Not that there is a lot of opportunity for  time there.

Not when you had Marwin on the team. Diaz, however, is a natural second baseman too and dare I say with a knee injury on the mend, you might see more of Altuve taken much deserved time off the field next season and maybe doing a little more DH work? Maybe. I'm sure there is concern for both up the middle infield starters this next offseason so you might see more replacement players doing some more work up the middle in 2019. A bad back is nothing to ignore, so Correa will need those days off from the daily grind. See Spiers, The Great Billy.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 07, 2019, 05:08:26 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 07, 2019, 03:05:48 pm
Not when you had Marwin on the team. Diaz, however, is a natural second baseman too and dare I say with a knee injury on the mend, you might see more of Altuve taken much deserved time off the field next season and maybe doing a little more DH work? Maybe. I'm sure there is concern for both up the middle infield starters this next offseason so you might see more replacement players doing some more work up the middle in 2019. A bad back is nothing to ignore, so Correa will need those days off from the daily grind. See Spiers, The Great Billy.

Some of those games in August with Yuli at 2nd were probably more about keeping his bat in the lineup (and hoping it would get going again) rather than keeping TK out of the infield.

That reminds me.   The last 2 Augusts were freaking terrible.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on January 07, 2019, 07:09:04 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on January 07, 2019, 05:08:26 pm
That reminds me.   The last 2 Augusts were freaking terrible.

Boy, that's certainly the truth. I hope they've got that out of their systems.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on January 07, 2019, 07:46:20 pm
The 21-6 September was pretty awesome, though.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 07, 2019, 08:00:17 pm
Quote from: subnuclear on January 07, 2019, 07:46:20 pm
The 21-6 September was pretty awesome, though.

Yes indeed.

Both Septembers were great.   Credit the steady hand of AJ at the helm.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 09, 2019, 12:23:28 pm
Interesting: Crane said he still expects Luhnow to add a bat and a pitcher, “I’m sure we’ll make 2 or 3 moves before it’s done.”


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 09, 2019, 02:01:49 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on January 09, 2019, 12:23:28 pm
Interesting: Crane said he still expects Luhnow to add a bat and a pitcher, “I’m sure we’ll make 2 or 3 moves before it’s done.”


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Well pitchers and catchers report in 35 days,  I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 09, 2019, 02:12:40 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on January 09, 2019, 12:23:28 pm
Interesting: Crane said he still expects Luhnow to add a bat and a pitcher, “I’m sure we’ll make 2 or 3 moves before it’s done.”
Fuller quotes from Crane:

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2h ago
Owner Jim Crane on potential #Astros moves coming up: "Jeff's (Luhnow) still looking for a couple pieces. I know he's looking for another bat possibly and another starting pitcher. He's studying that hard. He's very efficient. I have confidence he'll eventually get something done".

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 1h ago
While Jim Crane says Jeff Luhnow looks to possibly add a bat & a starting pitcher other moves could still be made: "You never know. We might add something to the back of the bullpen. Everything's possible at this point, but I'm sure we'll make 2 or 3 moves before everything's over".
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 10, 2019, 06:37:11 am
Grandal to the Brew Crew on a one-year deal ($18.25 million, essentially the QO).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 10, 2019, 03:14:59 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 09, 2019, 02:12:40 pm
Fuller quotes from Crane:

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2h ago
Owner Jim Crane on potential #Astros moves coming up: "Jeff's (Luhnow) still looking for a couple pieces. I know he's looking for another bat possibly and another starting pitcher. He's studying that hard. He's very efficient. I have confidence he'll eventually get something done".

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 1h ago
While Jim Crane says Jeff Luhnow looks to possibly add a bat & a starting pitcher other moves could still be made: "You never know. We might add something to the back of the bullpen. Everything's possible at this point, but I'm sure we'll make 2 or 3 moves before everything's over".
Didn’t Crane come out last year and say that they were trying to get a top pitcher and a few weeks later we had Cole??

Crane may be giving us another heads up so get the popcorn ready!!


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 10, 2019, 03:34:57 pm
Ken Rosenthal  @Ken_Rosenthal 5h ago
From a scout who recently saw free-agent LHP Wade Miley throw a bullpen: “He hasn’t changed since the post season. Every pitch was down with plus command of FB, CH, CB and cutter. He’s in great shape and clearly on a mission.”

Decided to add him below since he also shows up well in the spin rate category...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 10, 2019, 04:26:10 pm
In his latest inbox (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/astros-inbox-will-kyle-tucker-play-in-19/c-302548704), appears that McTaggart also shares (or at least leans toward) the view that Kemp is the odd man out at this point...

Quote
The Astros typically carry 12 position players, so at this point that would be Jose Altuve, Carlos Correa, Alex Bregman, Yuli Gurriel, Aledmys Diaz, Robinson Chirinos, Max Stassi, Brantley, Springer, Reddick and Marisnick. The other spot would be between Tyler White or Kemp, I'd imagine. White's power potential -- he had a .888 OPS last year in 210 at-bats -- makes him a strong candidate to get at-bats at designated hitter.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 10, 2019, 04:56:01 pm
Lowrie off the board as he signs with the Mets...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 10, 2019, 06:47:15 pm
Really weird fit for the Mets, but Lowrie’s a bargain for anyone at that price.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 10, 2019, 08:11:47 pm
What NYY is looking for in return for Gray...

Jon Heyman  @JonHeyman 56m ago
Reds still among teams with interest in Sonny Gray. He has close connection with Reds pitching coach Derek Johnson. Yankees believed interested in multiple pitching prospects -- good ones in the category of [Tony] Santillan, [Vladimir] Gutierrez and [Keury] Mella. upper level guys with a chance.


Santillan/Gutierrez/Mella are the Reds' 6th, 10th and 18th ranked prospects with FVs of 50, 45 and 40 respectively (rankings/valuations per Fangraphs). I'm guessing that at best the Yankees would only be able to pry 2 of those pitchers from the Reds, probably Gutierrez and Mella. Comparable pitchers for the Astros are JBB (FV 45) and either Framber Valdez (FV 40) or Dean Deetz (FV 40).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 10, 2019, 11:16:34 pm
Cashman can go fuck himself if he wants Bukauskas for one year of Sonny Gray is my take on this.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 11, 2019, 09:31:00 am
Quote from: Reuben on January 10, 2019, 11:16:34 pm
Cashman can go fuck himself if he wants Bukauskas for one year of Sonny Gray is my take on this.

I’d rather have Bukauskas than Gray *this year *


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Tom Servo on January 11, 2019, 10:10:25 am
Bregman had elbow surgery, likely ready for Opening Day.

https://www.mlb.com/news/alex-bregman-has-surgery-on-right-elbow/c-302608530
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 11, 2019, 10:46:12 am
Quote from: MusicMan on January 11, 2019, 09:31:00 am
I’d rather have Bukauskas than Gray *this year *


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Agreed. Sonny Gray has become a project and is no longer the shutdown star he once was.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 11, 2019, 10:53:44 am
He was damn good (not just lucky) away from Yankee Stadium last year. Not sure I’d pin my hopes on him, but it’s easy to imagine him returning to form.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 11, 2019, 11:13:03 am
Quote from: moriartp on January 11, 2019, 10:53:44 am
He was damn good (not just lucky) away from Yankee Stadium last year. Not sure I’d pin my hopes on him, but it’s easy to imagine him returning to form.

Perhaps he will, but would you give up top tier prospects or James?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 11, 2019, 11:23:06 am
Apparently the Realmuto to Houston prospect is still alive. https://therunnersports.com/jt-realmuto-talks-include-astros-what-might-houston-package-look-like/
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 11, 2019, 12:49:24 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 11, 2019, 11:13:03 am
Perhaps he will, but would you give up top tier prospects or James?

Definitely not James. Bukauskas maybe. Even with the upside, he's still too risky to get into a bidding war over.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 11, 2019, 01:02:06 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 11, 2019, 11:23:06 am
Apparently the Realmuto to Houston prospect is still alive. https://therunnersports.com/jt-realmuto-talks-include-astros-what-might-houston-package-look-like/

Not placing much credence in a blog that thinks you can trade a player you just signed as a FA.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on January 11, 2019, 01:12:36 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on January 11, 2019, 01:02:06 pm
Not placing much credence in a blog that thinks you can trade a player you just signed as a FA.


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Trade piece speculation aside, the article's source is a MLB.com writer.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on January 11, 2019, 01:36:57 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 11, 2019, 11:23:06 am
Apparently the Realmuto to Houston prospect is still alive. https://therunnersports.com/jt-realmuto-talks-include-astros-what-might-houston-package-look-like/
Reportedly the Dodgers are close to acquiring Russell Martin.

Seems like everybody in MLB is telling the Marlins to screw off with their asking price.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 11, 2019, 01:45:19 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 11, 2019, 10:53:44 am
He was damn good (not just lucky) away from Yankee Stadium last year. Not sure I’d pin my hopes on him, but it’s easy to imagine him returning to form.

Quote from: moriartp on January 11, 2019, 12:49:24 pm
Definitely not James. Bukauskas maybe.

Agree with you--I'd be tempted to part with JBB for Gray. At $9.1MM he doesn't bust the budget either and still would allow Luhnow a fair amount of payroll flexibility.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 11, 2019, 01:52:12 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 11, 2019, 01:45:19 pm
Agree with you--I'd be tempted to part with JBB for Gray. At $9.1MM he doesn't bust the budget either and still would allow Luhnow a fair amount of payroll flexibility.

JBB, yes. James, no.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 11, 2019, 06:42:27 pm
In that Martin deal, Blue Jays hung a bag with $16.4MM in it around his neck and in return got a pair of low-rated prospects from the Dodgers...

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Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitches who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 11, 2019, 07:17:59 pm
Quote from: Tom Servo on January 11, 2019, 10:10:25 am
Bregman had elbow surgery, likely ready for Opening Day.

https://www.mlb.com/news/alex-bregman-has-surgery-on-right-elbow/c-302608530

Here's Bregman on the surgery:

https://youtu.be/fE0q4gvjgd4 (https://youtu.be/fE0q4gvjgd4)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2019, 02:11:12 pm
Sonny Gray's agreed salary with the Yankees yesterday came in significantly less than the MLBTR estimate of $9.1MM making him even more attractive as a trade candidate...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

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REMAINING FREE AGENTS

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Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

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**Switch-hitter

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2019, 04:39:43 pm
Morosi says (https://www.mlb.com/news/padres-dodgers-seek-corey-kluber/c-302644484) Padres (and Dodgers) still talking with Indians re Kluber. Tribe seems interested in major league ready players, including outfielders and possibly a starting pitcher (young, cheap and controlled is what I get from reading that).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 12, 2019, 05:39:15 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2019, 04:39:43 pm
Morosi says (https://www.mlb.com/news/padres-dodgers-seek-corey-kluber/c-302644484) Padres (and Dodgers) still talking with Indians re Kluber. Tribe seems interested in major league ready players, including outfielders and possibly a starting pitcher (young, cheap and controlled is what I get from reading that).

Alvarez, Kemp, and Valdez. Who says no?


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2019, 05:56:41 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on January 12, 2019, 05:39:15 pm
Alvarez, Kemp, and Valdez. Who says no?

I'd do that in a heartbeat but you might have to throw JBB into the deal as well to entice the Indians and make it a 4 for 1. And I think I'd do that deal also.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 12, 2019, 06:21:42 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2019, 05:56:41 pm
I'd do that in a heartbeat but you might have to throw JBB into the deal as well to entice the Indians and make it a 4 for 1. And I think I'd do that deal also.

I would too, so I assume Cleveland would do neither.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 13, 2019, 09:01:28 am
Optimistic this week ---

1. Two more catchers signed (Dodgers/Brewers); trading partners for the Marlins dwindle along with the price for JT Real

2. Crane's comments on Luhnow - looking for another bat and SP --- with a possible RP outlier possibility.

3. Bregman's Surgery seems to have gone well

4. F Whitley's interview was interesting - happy about adding 30lbs of strength (reminded me of Nolan's career comments about how important his legs were to his longevity) - hoping he was talking about his legs

5.  Not too far off from ST

Good day to be a Stros fan!  Started in 1975 - long live the Rainbow Gut!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 13, 2019, 05:04:04 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 13, 2019, 09:01:28 am

Good day to be a Stros fan!  Started in 1975 - long live the Rainbow Gut!

https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1084513931656339456?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1084513931656339456?s=19)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 14, 2019, 08:07:52 am
Shooting Star for me, please.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 14, 2019, 08:23:23 am
Glorius! Nice Big D! Rainbow gut

https://astrosdaily.com/history/uniforms/
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19758858/the-full-story-houston-iconic-rainbow-uniforms
https://www.houstoniamag.com/articles/2018/3/29/astros-uniforms

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on January 14, 2019, 09:20:18 am
I miss the Colt.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on January 14, 2019, 10:21:46 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 14, 2019, 09:20:18 am
I miss the Colt.

+1
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 14, 2019, 12:46:15 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 14, 2019, 09:20:18 am
I miss the Colt.

That was good but would never play today.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on January 14, 2019, 03:32:20 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 14, 2019, 12:46:15 pm
That was good but would never play today.
How about renaming the team the "2nd Amendment"?

:-)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 14, 2019, 03:55:13 pm
Wouldn’t that have to be a AA team?


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Texifornia on January 14, 2019, 04:40:26 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 14, 2019, 09:20:18 am
I miss the Colt.
The second best uni to the blue Shooting Star. It was always quirky with "Colts" on the jersey and ".45s" on the hat. I think it had something to do with not getting proper copyright license from the Colt Firearm Co.

I remember my dad trying to explain why they were the "Colts .45s", but my 6 year old brain didn't compute. I also remember laughing hysterically at Colt Stadium with my cousin every time Nellie Fox was announced. 
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 14, 2019, 05:08:29 pm
The Rays have signed Avisal Garcia whom the Astros had been connected to at different times. Deal was for a cheap 3.5 million and if he returns to the form of two years ago will be a steal.

Tampa is gonna be much different and quite possibly much better team over last year. And they were pretty damn good.

Also appear to be one of the teams in on Realmuto.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on January 15, 2019, 09:28:19 am
Quote from: Texifornia on January 14, 2019, 04:40:26 pm
I think it had something to do with not getting proper copyright license from the Colt Firearm Co.

I always thought that one of the drivers behind the name change (in addition to moving to the dome) was that Colt Firearm Co. was starting to ask for a cut of the merchandise sales.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 15, 2019, 10:23:09 am
Quote from: Bench on January 15, 2019, 09:28:19 am
I always thought that one of the drivers behind the name change (in addition to moving to the dome) was that Colt Firearm Co. was starting to ask for a cut of the merchandise sales.

this is what I read.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on January 15, 2019, 05:26:23 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on January 14, 2019, 12:46:15 pm
That was good but would never play today.

Same reason the Rays weren’t allowed to have cigars on their Tampa Smokers throwbacks. Snowflakes.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 17, 2019, 08:51:14 am
Not to steal Inigo Montoya's thunder, but "I hate wait".    C'mon JLuhn --- lets get this hot stove going.

Please no Billy Crystal retorts about rushing miracles -- way ahead on that.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 17, 2019, 01:11:04 pm
Yankees sign Adam Ottavino (3 yrs/$27MM) to join Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, Zach Britton, Chad Green and Jonathan Holder in a bullpen from hell.

Yeah, FTY and all that.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 17, 2019, 01:55:20 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 17, 2019, 01:11:04 pm
Yankees sign Adam Ottavino (3 yrs/$27MM) to join Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, Zach Britton, Chad Green and Jonathan Holder in a bullpen from hell.

Yeah, FTY and all that.
Jon Heyman says the move of Sonny Gray is imminent.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 17, 2019, 03:51:22 pm
Jon Heyman  @JonHeyman 11s ago
#SFGiants interesting new entrant in Sonny sweepstakes. It does make sense; Giants prez Farhan Zaidi, who knows Sonny from A’s days, is said to be fan. It appears some other linked teams — A’s, Brewers, Braves, M’s, Pads, Reds — don’t appear to be at forefront of talks at moment.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 17, 2019, 03:59:47 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 17, 2019, 03:51:22 pm
Jon Heyman  @JonHeyman 11s ago
#SFGiants interesting new entrant in Sonny sweepstakes. It does make sense; Giants prez Farhan Zaidi, who knows Sonny from A’s days, is said to be fan. It appears some other linked teams — A’s, Brewers, Braves, M’s, Pads, Reds — don’t appear to be at forefront of talks at moment.

That'd be an interesting move. Risky, but it's very possible they could flip him for more at the deadline than they'd give up today.

A's are also said to be in. Or not. Conflicting reports. Lots of disinformation out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 12:22:13 pm
So it is Saturday and I’m bored to death. Ready for baseball to get going. I can work on my honey do list or I can keep dreaming about baseball.....

Looking at the latest baseball news and I see where some mystery team not thought to be in on Machado has the high bid. I’m not a huge Manny fan but as I said, I’m bored. So what if......

Astros sign Machado to 3 year deal at X dollars. He would be cheaper than Harper. He plays short and Correa is moved to first base. Carlos is athletic enough I think to make the switch and has the height you would like at that position. The position is also a little less demanding physically than short so perhaps the move to first would help keep him healthier. I could see Correa being one of the best first basemen in the game in no time. That infield, offensively and defensively, may be best in the game. Correa at first allows you to move Gurriel to DH which goes a long way to solving the DH problem. Gurriel at DH, along with Diaz on the roster, provides extreme flexibility to move guys in and out of the order or give them half-days off if you put Gurriel in the field for a day while one of the regulars takes a turn at DH.

Then take Tucker and Tyler White with another prospect and move them for a starting pitcher with some control.

As I said,,,,,I’m bored!


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 12:32:03 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 12:22:13 pm
So it is Saturday and I’m bored to death. Ready for baseball to get going. I can work on my honey do list or I can keep dreaming about baseball.....

Looking at the latest baseball news and I see where some mystery team not thought to be in on Machado has the high bid. I’m not a huge Manny fan but as I said, I’m bored. So what if......

Astros sign Machado to 3 year deal at X dollars. He would be cheaper than Harper. He plays short and Correa is moved to first base. Carlos is athletic enough I think to make the switch and has the height you would like at that position. The position is also a little less demanding physically than short so perhaps the move to first would help keep him healthier. I could see Correa being one of the best first basemen in the game in no time. That infield, offensively and defensively, may be best in the game. Correa at first allows you to move Gurriel to DH which goes a long way to solving the DH problem. Gurriel at DH, along with Diaz on the roster, provides extreme flexibility to move guys in and out of the order or give them half-days off if you put Gurriel in the field for a day while one of the regulars takes a turn at DH.

Then take Tucker and Tyler White with another prospect and move them for a starting pitcher with some control.

As I said,,,,,I’m bored!


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Well, I'll play.

Not in favor, here are more reasons (bored as well):

1. (Machado) Right handed piece plus the cost is an imbalance in my way of thinking
2. Peronality of Machado - not really Bagwell, Biggio, Altuve-esque
3.  Moving our SS to 1B would be an indicator that we'll probably not pay CC his money (Teddy KGB voice)
4.  Would like to see Tucker as an Astro but if we get BH -- now we can trade some pieces in our outfield for other positions.
5.  Didn't do too much for the Dodgers when he had his opportunity to show "clutch"...

Okay, pick me off as I am taking a giant leaping lead - TPuhl
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on January 19, 2019, 12:44:52 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 12:22:13 pm
So it is Saturday and I’m bored to death. Ready for baseball to get going. I can work on my honey do list or I can keep dreaming about baseball.....

Looking at the latest baseball news and I see where some mystery team not thought to be in on Machado has the high bid. I’m not a huge Manny fan but as I said, I’m bored. So what if......

Astros sign Machado to 3 year deal at X dollars. He would be cheaper than Harper. He plays short and Correa is moved to first base. Carlos is athletic enough I think to make the switch and has the height you would like at that position. The position is also a little less demanding physically than short so perhaps the move to first would help keep him healthier. I could see Correa being one of the best first basemen in the game in no time. That infield, offensively and defensively, may be best in the game. Correa at first allows you to move Gurriel to DH which goes a long way to solving the DH problem. Gurriel at DH, along with Diaz on the roster, provides extreme flexibility to move guys in and out of the order or give them half-days off if you put Gurriel in the field for a day while one of the regulars takes a turn at DH.

Then take Tucker and Tyler White with another prospect and move them for a starting pitcher with some control.

As I said,,,,,I’m bored!


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I don't think Correa would willingly move to 1B in the next decade, if ever.  And Machado is a shIt SS.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 01:10:57 pm
Quote from: Lefty on January 19, 2019, 12:44:52 pm
I don't think Correa would willingly move to 1B in the next decade, if ever.  And Machado is a shIt SS.
Keep in mind, I’m not advocating this move, I’m just wondering how things would work if Houston turned out to be said mystery team.

I too wonder about his personality fitting in with this team.

I too doubt Correa would be willing to move to first, but I do think he could play the position and I would like the idea of Gurriel in the DH spot (but not with White at first everyday).


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on January 19, 2019, 01:15:13 pm
Quote from: Lefty on January 19, 2019, 12:44:52 pm
I don't think Correa would willingly move to 1B in the next decade, if ever.  And Machado is a shIt SS.

If Machado somehow wound up with the Astros, I'd expect to see something more along the lines of Machado to 3B, Bregman to RF, and Springer to CF.

I assume that Luhnow has to be shopping Fisher. I just don't see where he fits with this club.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 01:31:33 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 12:32:03 pm
Well, I'll play.

Not in favor, here are more reasons (bored as well):

1. (Machado) Right handed piece plus the cost is an imbalance in my way of thinking
2. Peronality of Machado - not really Bagwell, Biggio, Altuve-esque
3.  Moving our SS to 1B would be an indicator that we'll probably not pay CC his money (Teddy KGB voice)
4.  Would like to see Tucker as an Astro but if we get BH -- now we can trade some pieces in our outfield for other positions.
5.  Didn't do too much for the Dodgers when he had his opportunity to show "clutch"...

Okay, pick me off as I am taking a giant leaping lead - TPuhl
Keep in mind, not advocating this move as I’d rather have Harper. Just playing a game of what if...

So, as to your points....
1. Yes, Manny is right handed and we would be really right handed heavy. But as long as the shift exists in its current form, righty/lefty is becoming less important I think. Heard a stat the other day which said that since the shift has been in existence, the average batting average for left handed hitters has dropped over 20 points and is down around .240. Right handed batters have also seen a drop in average but it is way less than half as big a drop. The shift adversely impacts left handed hitters at an alarmingly higher rate, so much so that some of the stats seem to indicate that more right handed batters is not the worst thing in the world. But yes, there would still be certain situations late in games where you would like to play the lefty/righty game.

2. I don’t like his personality either but some would argue that if Osuna could assimilate into this club house Manny could as well. Former teammates of Machado’s speak of him in good terms for what that is worth.

3. I don’t think we pay CC his money. I think we pay Springer and Bregman. I say this because so far, Correa has shown an inability to stay healthy. Not giving him big money if he can’t play everyday. If he continues this year to have nagging injuries that isn’t a good sign.

4. I agree, but our window to another title is open NOW. If moving Tucker gets me an impact piece, he gone. But NOT Whitley. He’s literally an ace in the hole.

5. Can’t disagree there, but I think we have a better supporting cast to put around him and a better culture.

Again, before I’m ripped to shreds I’m not pulling for this to happen. Just thinking what if....


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 02:47:37 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 19, 2019, 01:31:33 pm
Keep in mind, not advocating this move as I’d rather have Harper. Just playing a game of what if...

So, as to your points....
1. Yes, Manny is right handed and we would be really right handed heavy. But as long as the shift exists in its current form, righty/lefty is becoming less important I think. Heard a stat the other day which said that since the shift has been in existence, the average batting average for left handed hitters has dropped over 20 points and is down around .240. Right handed batters have also seen a drop in average but it is way less than half as big a drop. The shift adversely impacts left handed hitters at an alarmingly higher rate, so much so that some of the stats seem to indicate that more right handed batters is not the worst thing in the world. But yes, there would still be certain situations late in games where you would like to play the lefty/righty game.

2. I don’t like his personality either but some would argue that if Osuna could assimilate into this club house Manny could as well. Former teammates of Machado’s speak of him in good terms for what that is worth.

3. I don’t think we pay CC his money. I think we pay Springer and Bregman. I say this because so far, Correa has shown an inability to stay healthy. Not giving him big money if he can’t play everyday. If he continues this year to have nagging injuries that isn’t a good sign.

4. I agree, but our window to another title is open NOW. If moving Tucker gets me an impact piece, he gone. But NOT Whitley. He’s literally an ace in the hole.

5. Can’t disagree there, but I think we have a better supporting cast to put around him and a better culture.

Again, before I’m ripped to shreds I’m not pulling for this to happen. Just thinking what if....


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Cool!  Its a nice way to pass the time here on the frozen tundra stove.

And its not all that crazy --- but for me the time to go get Machado is when the Dodgers did ---> and it looks like we were not interested, probably for many of the reasons stated here.

I think the mystery team is the Padres --- not a lot spoken about here but totally could get him --- and have an opening.

FWIW, I agree with your points around who to keep and whom to let walk, unless CC has a bonkers year --- then we re-evaluate.
Also, I think the issue with Machado is less about the money, but the number of years if I am not mistaken?   A year here or there could make a big difference in our payroll flexibility as our Jedi seems to be pushing all the right buttons.

Appreciate the thought experiment - TP!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on January 19, 2019, 03:15:17 pm
Machado is not a fit on this team and I seriously doubt the Astros have done any pursuing of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on January 19, 2019, 03:17:02 pm
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on January 19, 2019, 03:15:17 pm
Machado is not a fit on this team and I seriously doubt the Astros have done any pursuing of him.

You beat me to this. That discussion was TTB fanciful, but interesting, in a way like Ancient Aliens is interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 04:05:16 pm
The Machado Chart looks to be pretty accurate here...  for the boys in gut rainbow.

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/where-will-manny-machado-sign-this-offseason/c-300257066

Not the right fit.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on January 19, 2019, 05:04:16 pm
Harper is a great fit on the field, not so much in books.

Machado in no way fits on the field or in the books.

If the Astros are the "mystery team" on either of these guys, it's 100% Harper unless they are planning to trade Correa, which I can't see happening.

While I would be excited if we signed Harper, I don't want them to. He's just not been consistently great in his career to justify the type of deal he's going to get. The potential for greatness is obvious but outside of 2015, he hasn't really been great. Good but not great. For the money he wants and is likely to get, I need great, every season.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 06:18:32 pm
Quote from: doyce7 on January 19, 2019, 05:04:16 pm
Harper is a great fit on the field, not so much in books.

Machado in no way fits on the field or in the books.

If the Astros are the "mystery team" on either of these guys, it's 100% Harper unless they are planning to trade Correa, which I can't see happening.

While I would be excited if we signed Harper, I don't want them to. He's just not been consistently great in his career to justify the type of deal he's going to get. The potential for greatness is obvious but outside of 2015, he hasn't really been great. Good but not great. For the money he wants and is likely to get, I need great, every season.

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I think this is the case for all of modern era baseball -- hyperinflation with the perceived stars and then you find their baggage.

But to make the counter argument, only for posterity/boredom, is that his last 4 years of productivity have been very very good.  Averages are not a great indicator and I'm sure JLuhn's guys have analytics out the wazoo but I'll take a left handed power hitter who will get 30+ HRs, 90 RBIs, and shit ton of walks and .500% SLG with a short porch in RF.   

The money is less relevant to me than what Jeff Luhnow thinks about BH being the final piece of the offensive puzzle --- its worth the price if we win and not if we do not. 

Does he give us a better shot to win against the Yanks, Sox, and National League teams?  Comparatively, this is an unequivocal yes.  Not sure if he'll want the contract we are offering and not sure how this will impact Springer or Correa. 

I take your point about good not great.  Its sound.  However, we are not too far off from the promise land again --- and an upgrade in our DH/1B/RF positions are definitely in order.   And I would hate to be a pitcher who has to face this:

1.  Springer Dinger
2.  Altuve
3.  Harper
4.  Bregman
5.  Brantley
6.  Correa
7.  Catcher - hopefully JT
8.  Gurriel
9.  Marisnick/Kemp

To go with the front end of our staff, I think this might be the possible Astros team of all time if JLuhn can pull it off.

Then again, I am optimist!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on January 19, 2019, 06:40:10 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 06:18:32 pm
I think this is the case for all of modern era baseball -- hyperinflation with the perceived stars and then you find their baggage.

But to make the counter argument, only for posterity/boredom, is that his last 4 years of productivity have been very very good.  Averages are not a great indicator and I'm sure JLuhn's guys have analytics out the wazoo but I'll take a left handed power hitter who will get 30+ HRs, 90 RBIs, and shit ton of walks and .500% SLG with a short porch in RF.   

The money is less relevant to me than what Jeff Luhnow thinks about BH being the final piece of the offensive puzzle --- its worth the price if we win and not if we do not. 

Does he give us a better shot to win against the Yanks, Sox, and National League teams?  Comparatively, this is an unequivocal yes.  Not sure if he'll want the contract we are offering and not sure how this will impact Springer or Correa. 

I take your point about good not great.  Its sound.  However, we are not too far off from the promise land again --- and an upgrade in our DH/1B/RF positions are definitely in order.   And I would hate to be a pitcher who has to face this:

1.  Springer Dinger
2.  Altuve
3.  Harper
4.  Bregman
5.  Brantley
6.  Correa
7.  Catcher - hopefully JT
8.  Gurriel
9.  Marisnick/Kemp

To go with the front end of our staff, I think this might be the possible Astros team of all time if JLuhn can pull it off.

Then again, I am optimist!
While I agree that would be a scary lineup and his "average" season looks awesome. His numbers are skewed by his 2015 which by advanced numbers is one of the best seasons of all time. He's only hit 30 homers twice, 90 RBI twice(same seasons), slugged .500 twice, .400 OPS twice. He's a really good player. But is he good enough to say bye bye to Springer, Cole, Correa and possibly Bregman? I don't think so. Bregman is the only of those 4 I believe you can keep long term if Harper is on the books.

I know advanced stats are not talked about too much on this site but here is two examples of Harper being very inconsistent.
OPS+(measures a players OPS and compares it to league average and adjust for ballpark, 100 is league average)
Harpers numbers by season
118, 133, 111, 198(2015), 114, 156, 133

2 great, 2 really good, and 3 slightly above league average seasons at the plate.

Here's bWAR to factor in some defense
5.2, 3.7, 1.1, 10, 1.5, 4.7, 1.3

In WAR for those who don't know a starting caliber player is expected to provide 2+ WAR, all stars provide 5+ and MVPs 8+
So in 3 of the last 5 seasons, Harper has been a backup level producer.

For refrence Bregman was "worth" 6.9 WAR last season, Altuve was "worth" 8.3 in 2017.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 07:08:04 pm
Good points Doyce across the board.

The only pieces I might add would be that our lineup could afford BH some more protection than I think the Nationals were able to provide.  I would expect his numbers to increase given no big injuries.  Could be off here, but I think he could really be dangerous in the juice box.  We have not had that kind of power since Beltran's wonderful year in the playoffs.

Also, I wonder if FA's see Houston as a place to (re)learn, improve their craft --- Brett Strom and his staff are top drawer and could offer BH some input in how pitchers attack him --- a lot of places can do this, but Astros analytics seem to make players better (i.e. Pressley, Cole, McCann when not injured, and Reddick has improved in some weird areas.)

Lastly, in terms of WAR - you are correct, but I would hope with a lineup including Harper that everyone contributes and any one players' WAR would be around the same --- considering MVP's out the wazoo on our team.  In short, my thesis here is that Harper's individual contribution would be a nice part of the greater whole but not reliant upon him and his WAR...

Thanks for the conversation.   I am not sure about CC or Springer, and I think Cole will be resigned with Verlander money when the dude puts up the spikes.  But there are people here like yourself who know much more about this than I.   

Noe & Nate, might have some insights to this as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on January 19, 2019, 07:41:50 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 07:08:04 pm
Good points Doyce across the board.

The only pieces I might add would be that our lineup could afford BH some more protection than I think the Nationals were able to provide.  I would expect his numbers to increase given no big injuries.  Could be off here, but I think he could really be dangerous in the juice box.  We have not had that kind of power since Beltran's wonderful year in the playoffs.

Also, I wonder if FA's see Houston as a place to (re)learn, improve their craft --- Brett Strom and his staff are top drawer and could offer BH some input in how pitchers attack him --- a lot of places can do this, but Astros analytics seem to make players better (i.e. Pressley, Cole, McCann when not injured, and Reddick has improved in some weird areas.)

Lastly, in terms of WAR - you are correct, but I would hope with a lineup including Harper that everyone contributes and any one players' WAR would be around the same --- considering MVP's out the wazoo on our team.  In short, my thesis here is that Harper's individual contribution would be a nice part of the greater whole but not reliant upon him and his WAR...

Thanks for the conversation.   I am not sure about CC or Springer, and I think Cole will be resigned with Verlander money when the dude puts up the spikes.  But there are people here like yourself who know much more about this than I.   

Noe & Nate, might have some insights to this as well.

I think that you might have hit on something that might attract more free agents to Houston-Astros performance analytics are second to none. Great discussion here, y'all.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on January 19, 2019, 08:39:18 pm
Quote from: Mr. Happy on January 19, 2019, 07:41:50 pm
I think that you might have hit on something that might attract more free agents to Houston-Astros performance analytics are second to none. Great discussion here, y'all.
I agree. If money is close then being in an organization as advanced and has the track record of success that this one currently has, could tip the scales.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 19, 2019, 08:47:31 pm
Heyman says Reds are “finalizing” a deal for Gray. One more option off the board. Stroman?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 19, 2019, 10:11:43 pm
The Nationals had plenty of good hitters - Rendon, Soto, Turner, Zimmerman, Ramos, Dan Murphy, and others during Harper’s time there. So expecting him to magically become consistently amazing simply by being in the Astros lineup is very wishful thinking. And wishful thinking is a very bad reason to commit a $300m+ contract to one player.

I would much rather Luhnow allocate those funds toward extensions for some of Verlander, Cole, Springer, Bregman, Correa.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 10:50:03 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 19, 2019, 10:11:43 pm
The Nationals had plenty of good hitters - Rendon, Soto, Turner, Zimmerman, Ramos, Dan Murphy, and others during Harper’s time there. So expecting him to magically become consistently amazing simply by being in the Astros lineup is very wishful thinking. And wishful thinking is a very bad reason to commit a $300m+ contract to one player.

I would much rather Luhnow allocate those funds toward extensions for some of Verlander, Cole, Springer, Bregman, Correa.

Reuben, I hear you.  Fund allocation for the future is THE big issue for the future of the Astros, JLuhn needs to get this right.  So, I'll not argue against this point (especially when you consider how valuable Verlander/Cole were last year), plus I do think Bregs will be a long term Astro.  So three of your list are spot on, and I like Springer.  Like others here, I wanted to see CC bounce back from his health issues before he gets the big contract. 

One small bone to pick, though involves the list of Nationals hitters you presented. 

Yes, they are good hitters, but I cannot see for the life of me that they offer the kind of protection in a lineup that our boys provide.  It is certainly feasible a win now trade/FA approach could see 7 or 8 starting astros hit 20 HR's and drive in a helluva a lot runs.   

Washington's boys are nice, but the point was we are a whole level above that, and when you add analytics to equation, we might see close to career totals for BH in an Astros uni. 

Then again, I think there are a lot of routes to success, not just one.  It will be interesting to see which direction we head. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 20, 2019, 07:23:12 am
Quote from: moriartp on January 19, 2019, 08:47:31 pm
Heyman says Reds are “finalizing” a deal for Gray. One more option off the board. Stroman?
I’ve said before and I’ll say again, I don’t think we make a move for a top starter now. I think we stick with Verlander, Cole, McHugh and sign one cheap free agent option, that isn’t gonna move the needle amongst most of us, like Pomeranz, Hellickson or Santana, to provide depth and eat innings. Combo of rookies fills out the 5 slot. We can win division like that and then make a move for a pitcher at trade deadline like we did for JV.

My money will be on Bumgarner in an Astros uniform but I’m betting they want to see him pitch for the first half of season to ensure he is heathy.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 20, 2019, 12:03:18 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 19, 2019, 10:50:03 pm
Reuben, I hear you.  Fund allocation for the future is THE big issue for the future of the Astros, JLuhn needs to get this right.  So, I'll not argue against this point (especially when you consider how valuable Verlander/Cole were last year), plus I do think Bregs will be a long term Astro.  So three of your list are spot on, and I like Springer.  Like others here, I wanted to see CC bounce back from his health issues before he gets the big contract. 

One small bone to pick, though involves the list of Nationals hitters you presented. 

Yes, they are good hitters, but I cannot see for the life of me that they offer the kind of protection in a lineup that our boys provide.  It is certainly feasible a win now trade/FA approach could see 7 or 8 starting astros hit 20 HR's and drive in a helluva a lot runs.   

Washington's boys are nice, but the point was we are a whole level above that, and when you add analytics to equation, we might see close to career totals for BH in an Astros uni. 

Then again, I think there are a lot of routes to success, not just one.  It will be interesting to see which direction we head.
The 2017 Astros offense was on a whole other level, yes. That offense was historic. Counting on that convergence of career years again is probably not wise. The 2018 lineup was still very good, but not great. I think it will be better in 2019, but regardless, I think you’re looking at Harper through rose-colored glasses. He’s a wild card. He’s been extremely volatile both offensively and defensively. He’s always had at least some very good protection in WSH (if not the 1-9 depth); there’s not an easy answer for why he’s been so inconsistent. And I’m dubious that going from a good lineup to a great one will definitely improve an individual player’s performance anyway. Look at Stanton’s so-so year with the Yankees after coming over from the Marlins.

Harper would’ve been a great hitter to plug in for the stretch run and playoffs last year. He’s be a great player to sign if the Astros had a $275m payroll every year. But they don’t, so I imagine Luhnow will decide there’s better ways to spend the money he does have.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 20, 2019, 02:06:34 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 20, 2019, 12:03:18 pm
The 2017 Astros offense was on a whole other level, yes. That offense was historic. Counting on that convergence of career years again is probably not wise. The 2018 lineup was still very good, but not great. I think it will be better in 2019, but regardless, I think you’re looking at Harper through rose-colored glasses. He’s a wild card. He’s been extremely volatile both offensively and defensively. He’s always had at least some very good protection in WSH (if not the 1-9 depth); there’s not an easy answer for why he’s been so inconsistent. And I’m dubious that going from a good lineup to a great one will definitely improve an individual player’s performance anyway. Look at Stanton’s so-so year with the Yankees after coming over from the Marlins.

Harper would’ve been a great hitter to plug in for the stretch run and playoffs last year. He’s be a great player to sign if the Astros had a $275m payroll every year. But they don’t, so I imagine Luhnow will decide there’s better ways to spend the money he does have.

I think this is where Luhnow is at if we make go for him.  Contractually, it would have to be less years, opt outs, and a new project for BH that he might find interesting --- he can do one more dog and pony FA show and end his career in a new locale.

And in terms of his inconsistency, I am not sure there is another left handed power hitting influence that could plug into our team with his experience and performance.  Some might say Kyle Tucker, and he certainly projects well, but there is just as much if not more risk in a Tucker/Reddick platoon than a Harper buy.   

Rose colored glasses?  Definitely.   Agree he is wild card.  But a G Stanton like mess?  Not in my book.

Thanks for the replies though - I enjoy counter arguments.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 20, 2019, 03:43:36 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 20, 2019, 02:06:34 pm
I think this is where Luhnow is at if we make go for him.  Contractually, it would have to be less years, opt outs, and a new project for BH that he might find interesting --- he can do one more dog and pony FA show and end his career in a new locale.

And in terms of his inconsistency, I am not sure there is another left handed power hitting influence that could plug into our team with his experience and performance.  Some might say Kyle Tucker, and he certainly projects well, but there is just as much if not more risk in a Tucker/Reddick platoon than a Harper buy.   

Rose colored glasses?  Definitely.   Agree he is wild card.  But a G Stanton like mess?  Not in my book.

Thanks for the replies though - I enjoy counter arguments.
Actually - and this surprised me a little - Giancarlo and ol' Bryce are pretty comparable players overall. Stanton has been around longer, but just taking the last 5 years, 2014-18:

Stanton: 24.4 WAR, 20.9 oWAR, 148 OPS+, 2,823 PA, .270/.360/.557 with 188 HR, 478 RBI
Harper: 18.6 WAR, 20.6 oWAR, 144 OPS+, 2,863 PA, .282/.401/.525 with 142 HR, 404 RBI

And Stanton didn't have a bad year with the Yankees, just not his typical outstanding year:  38 HR, 100 RBI, 126 OPS+

One other quibble, if I may: opt-outs favor the player. If Harper gets an opt-out it's a safety net for him, not the team. And I could be wrong, but I don't think he will sign any kind of shorter-term guarantee like you're talking about.

I think Brantley will bring some balance to the lineup - he crushes RHP. And Altuve hits everyone, Bregman too. Maybe by 2020 Tucker and Alvarez will also be LH power threats.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 20, 2019, 04:16:40 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 20, 2019, 03:43:36 pm
One other quibble, if I may: opt-outs favor the player. If Harper gets an opt-out it's a safety net for him, not the team.

Thanks for bringing that up—these are often misunderstood as being at least somewhat team-friendly because they might clear up future payroll. But they're just like any other player option: if the player performs poorly enough that he can't beat the option on the market, he'll exercise it. He'll opt out if he can beat it, but that means he's likely to be worth more than the option priced him at. All an opt-out does is shift risk to the team.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 20, 2019, 05:14:33 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 19, 2019, 08:47:31 pm
Heyman says Reds are “finalizing” a deal for Gray.

Ken Rosenthal  @Ken_Rosenthal 17m ago
No resolution on #Reds/#Yankees/Gray expected tonight. Deadline on 72-hour negotiating window for CIN/Gray is late in day tomorrow, per source. Unclear if teams have different trade ready if no extension is agreed upon, or if NYY would turn to alternate plan with another club.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 20, 2019, 06:48:50 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 20, 2019, 03:43:36 pm
Actually - and this surprised me a little - Giancarlo and ol' Bryce are pretty comparable players overall. Stanton has been around longer, but just taking the last 5 years, 2014-18:

Stanton: 24.4 WAR, 20.9 oWAR, 148 OPS+, 2,823 PA, .270/.360/.557 with 188 HR, 478 RBI
Harper: 18.6 WAR, 20.6 oWAR, 144 OPS+, 2,863 PA, .282/.401/.525 with 142 HR, 404 RBI

And Stanton didn't have a bad year with the Yankees, just not his typical outstanding year:  38 HR, 100 RBI, 126 OPS+

One other quibble, if I may: opt-outs favor the player. If Harper gets an opt-out it's a safety net for him, not the team. And I could be wrong, but I don't think he will sign any kind of shorter-term guarantee like you're talking about.

I think Brantley will bring some balance to the lineup - he crushes RHP. And Altuve hits everyone, Bregman too. Maybe by 2020 Tucker and Alvarez will also be LH power threats.

Good work here...  Stanton may be the perfect analogy.  On the surface of it, I am surprised too.

In this case, I would definitely defer to others here, but it makes me wonder how many left handed hitting power hitters have this hitting profile?  Some have argued against this importance of hitting balance (left/right) type stuff throughout the lineup is less important, but I'm wondering if the dimensions in the box of Juice would not amplify this?  Bringing up Brantley, though does address this.  Very interesting, something to consider more is who the Astros bring in to be that Big bat.

Then again, I am most likely out of my depth. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 20, 2019, 11:34:23 pm
Rosenthal in his latest column for The Athletic says the Astros were one of several teams who "expressed interest" in lefty Martin Perez before he signed with the Twins (for $3.5MM).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 21, 2019, 01:08:27 pm
Here's something kind of mind-blowing  that I found when looking up that Stanton/Harper comparison on baseball-reference...  I looked at all hitters who've had at least 2,000 Plate Appearances since 2014, which is 158 players. Altuve is 3rd in WAR, at 32, behind Trout (44) and Betts (35). Which was only mildly surprising. Rounding out the top 10 were Donaldson, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Cain, Machado, Simmons, Yelich. Stanton was 12th, Harper way down at 33 mainly due to their defensive stats not liking him.

Anyway, here's the crazy stat: Batting Average over that span. Altuve, of course, is #1... then there's a fucking 20-point gap before the next hitter, who by the way is Michael Brantley:

Altuve .331
Brantley .311
D. Murphy .308
JD Martinez .307
Votto .306
Turner .305
Posey .305
Blackmon .304
M. Cabrera .304
Trout .303

The gap between Altuve and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #23.

Altuve is amazing. I'm so glad we get to watch him play for the Astros.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TeeJoe on January 21, 2019, 01:17:38 pm
Quote from: Reuben on January 21, 2019, 01:08:27 pm
Here's something kind of mind-blowing  that I found when looking up that Stanton/Harper comparison on baseball-reference...  I looked at all hitters who've had at least 2,000 Plate Appearances since 2014, which is 158 players. Altuve is 3rd in WAR, at 32, behind Trout (44) and Betts (35). Which was only mildly surprising. Rounding out the top 10 were Donaldson, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Cain, Machado, Simmons, Yelich. Stanton was 12th, Harper way down at 33 mainly due to their defensive stats not liking him.

Anyway, here's the crazy stat: Batting Average over that span. Altuve, of course, is #1... then there's a fucking 20-point gap before the next hitter, who by the way is Michael Brantley:

Altuve .331
Brantley .311
D. Murphy .308
JD Martinez .307
Votto .306
Turner .305
Posey .305
Blackmon .304
M. Cabrera .304
Trout .303

The gap between Altuve and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #23.

Altuve is amazing. I'm so glad we get to watch him play for the Astros.

Thanks for this! Although none of it is surprising in terms of Altuve. Not only is he a physically gifted player, but a hard worker and great teammate/team leader.  He also just has a likable personality that is easy to root for. He cracks me up in the HEB commercials.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 21, 2019, 03:38:29 pm
The Sonny Gray trade did go through with the Reds able to sign him to a quite reasonable 3-year extension at $10.2MM per...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 22, 2019, 12:52:58 pm
Not really any surprises in the list of NRIs to big league camp:

The group of 22 non-roster invites at Major League camp will be OF Yordan Alvarez, RHP Brandon Bielak, RHP Akeem Bostick, RHP J.B. Bukauskas, OF Ronnie Dawson, IF Alex De Goti, LHP Kent Emanuel, RHP Ryan Hartman, RHP Jose Luis Hernandez, IF Taylor Jones, RHP Corbin Martin, IF Jack Mayfield, RHP Brendan McCurry, RHP Erasmo Pinales, C Lorenzo Quintana, C Jamie Ritchie, C Chuckie Robinson, IF Josh Rojas, RHP Cy Sneed, IF Nick Tanielu, IF Abraham Toro and RHP Forrest Whitley.

17 of the 22 are getting their 1st time invite (in bold).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 22, 2019, 01:58:19 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 22, 2019, 12:52:58 pm
Not really any surprises in the list of NRIs to big league camp:

The group of 22 non-roster invites at Major League camp will be OF Yordan Alvarez, RHP Brandon Bielak, RHP Akeem Bostick, RHP J.B. Bukauskas, OF Ronnie Dawson, IF Alex De Goti, LHP Kent Emanuel, RHP Ryan Hartman, RHP Jose Luis Hernandez, IF Taylor Jones, RHP Corbin Martin, IF Jack Mayfield, RHP Brendan McCurry, RHP Erasmo Pinales, C Lorenzo Quintana, C Jamie Ritchie, C Chuckie Robinson, IF Josh Rojas, RHP Cy Sneed, IF Nick Tanielu, IF Abraham Toro and RHP Forrest Whitley.

17 of the 22 are getting their 1st time invite (in bold).

I'm mildly surprised that Garrett Stubbs isn't on the list. Okay, more than mildly.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on January 22, 2019, 02:00:18 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 22, 2019, 01:58:19 pm
I'm mildly surprised that Garrett Stubbs isn't on the list. Okay, more than mildly.

Since Stubbs is on the 40 man now, doesn't the ST list automatically include him?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 22, 2019, 02:00:33 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 22, 2019, 01:58:19 pm
I'm mildly surprised that Garrett Stubbs isn't on the list. Okay, more than mildly.

Stubbs is on the 40-man roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 22, 2019, 02:04:19 pm
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on January 22, 2019, 02:00:18 pm
Since Stubbs is on the 40 man now, doesn't the ST list automatically include him?

Yes it does.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 22, 2019, 03:55:45 pm
Thanks, that answers that! Come on spring training!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 22, 2019, 05:18:48 pm
Quote from: Lefty on January 11, 2019, 01:36:57 pm
Reportedly the Dodgers are close to acquiring Russell Martin.

Seems like everybody in MLB is telling the Marlins to screw off with their asking price.

Unfortunately, Dodgers are still in talks for Realmuto (https://www.mlb.com/news/dodgers-marlins-in-talks-for-jt-realmuto/c-302984640).

But the Marlin's beat writer still says Astros one of five other teams still in the mix (I think he must just copy and paste this from previous articles).

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on January 23, 2019, 08:17:56 am
Have we ever gotten this close to Spring Training with so many uncertainties?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 23, 2019, 10:04:02 am
Quote from: juliogotay on January 23, 2019, 08:17:56 am
Have we ever gotten this close to Spring Training with so many uncertainties?

Or maybe there are more certainties than we know? 

The announcement of Harper and Machado could be precusory event that unleashes what is known to a few?

Realmuto?
3rd or 4th Starter?
Another bat?
Relief help?

Many young MLB ready players --- White, Reed, Straw, Marisnick, Kemp, Tucker, James, Whitley, Bakauskas, Valdez, Alvarez, and Perez to name a few (missing someone I sure)...

If we are truly going to try and win now, then some of these players are going to have to work there way through the system.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on January 23, 2019, 10:06:39 am
Quote from: juliogotay on January 23, 2019, 08:17:56 am
Have we ever gotten this close to Spring Training with so many uncertainties?

I remember things being up in the air in 1995.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 23, 2019, 01:01:43 pm
Pomeranz to the Giants for a pittance...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitchers who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 10:56:32 am
Heyman reporting Astros/Keuchel reunion could be possible the longer Keuchel stays on market. He says the Astros still have interest in signing Dallas. Contract could be “creative.”


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 11:39:43 am
Dodgers just signed AJ Pollock. Could be 5 years @ 60 range.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 24, 2019, 11:41:07 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 11:39:43 am
Dodgers just signed AJ Pollock. Could be 5 years @ 60 range.

My first thought was "I guess they're out of the running for Harper," but you never know with them.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 11:51:46 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 10:56:32 am
Heyman reporting Astros/Keuchel reunion could be possible the longer Keuchel stays on market. He says the Astros still have interest in signing Dallas. Contract could be “creative.”


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So, follow up to this post. They were just talking on MLB Radio about the possibility of Houston resigning Keuchel. Based on the previous contract offer from Houston, Dallas has to get $68 million guaranteed in his new deal, to avoid losing money when he turned down the Astros $90 million dollar offer. Because of this, Duquette felt that 4 @ 68 would be the bottom end of what Keuchel would accept, which is an AAV of $17. They felt like someone, probably the Phillies, would be willing to go 4 @ 75-78 which is 18.75 to 19.5 AAV. That still is certainly less than the 20-plus AAV he was/is seeking.

My question to the board is this. If you could get Dallas for 4 @ 72, would you do the deal???


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on January 24, 2019, 12:00:31 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 10:56:32 am
Heyman reporting Astros/Keuchel reunion could be possible the longer Keuchel stays on market. He says the Astros still have interest in signing Dallas. Contract could be “creative.”

So, I would find a way to guarantee him $67.65M, which is the balance of the offer they gave him in 2016.  Maybe $18M, $18M, $18M and a player option of $13.65M for year 4 with automatic vesting if he reaches certain performance targets in year 3 and a chance for considerably more if he meets some stretch goal targets.  This 1) makes him "whole" and allows him to save face and 2) non-verbally communicates to other existing and future Astros that they are serious and fair when they make an offer to buy out the remaining years of control and arbitration. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on January 24, 2019, 12:01:52 pm
Ha.  @terrypuhl21, pinch poke you owe me a coke.  Or jinx.  Depending on where you grew up.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 24, 2019, 12:03:08 pm
Quote from: das on January 24, 2019, 12:00:31 pm
So, I would find a way to guarantee him $67.65M, which is the balance of the offer they gave him in 2016.  Maybe $18M, $18M, $18M and a player option of $13.65M for year 4 with automatic vesting if he reaches certain performance targets in year 3 and a chance for considerably more if he meets some stretch goal targets.  This 1) makes him "whole" and allows him to save face and 2) non-verbally communicates to other existing and future Astros that they are serious and fair when they make an offer to buy out the remaining years of control and arbitration.

Could be the reason Scott Boras was spotted at the Houston airport by a reporter last December. The Astros certainly might be willing to work with them (Dallas and Satan) on a return.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 12:08:07 pm
Quote from: das on January 24, 2019, 12:01:52 pm
Ha.  @terrypuhl21, pinch poke you owe me a coke.  Or jinx.  Depending on where you grew up.
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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 24, 2019, 12:21:33 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 24, 2019, 11:41:07 am
My first thought was "I guess they're out of the running for Harper," but you never know with them.

Do they have the payroll flexibility to sign Harper plus Pollock? 

Whomever signs Harper might have an inroad to Realmuto ---- blocking Verdugo or Tucker plus some high end  prospects (LA has Ruiz at C, and we have a plethora of players to offer). 

Harper and Real same team in a win now battle --- Dodgers or Astros?

Between Pollock and Brantley, I think we got the first battle win.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 24, 2019, 12:27:11 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 11:51:46 am
So, follow up to this post. They were just talking on MLB Radio about the possibility of Houston resigning Keuchel. Based on the previous contract offer from Houston, Dallas has to get $68 million guaranteed in his new deal, to avoid losing money when he turned down the Astros $90 million dollar offer. Because of this, Duquette felt that 4 @ 68 would be the bottom end of what Keuchel would accept, which is an AAV of $17. They felt like someone, probably the Phillies, would be willing to go 4 @ 75-78 which is 18.75 to 19.5 AAV. That still is certainly less than the 20-plus AAV he was/is seeking.

My question to the board is this. If you could get Dallas for 4 @ 72, would you do the deal???


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Love him in the past.

Love him in the present.

The future of DK is where we I am not sure - $72 million is a lot of money for your third starter (imo) who has a greater liklihood of bottom out than turning into a JV.   

But wtf do I know? 

Before all of the crazy season, if you would have told me we still have our core (minus McCullers/Morton) and added MBrant, I would have been happy.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on January 24, 2019, 12:37:21 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 11:51:46 am
So, follow up to this post. They were just talking on MLB Radio about the possibility of Houston resigning Keuchel. Based on the previous contract offer from Houston, Dallas has to get $68 million guaranteed in his new deal, to avoid losing money when he turned down the Astros $90 million dollar offer. Because of this, Duquette felt that 4 @ 68 would be the bottom end of what Keuchel would accept, which is an AAV of $17. They felt like someone, probably the Phillies, would be willing to go 4 @ 75-78 which is 18.75 to 19.5 AAV. That still is certainly less than the 20-plus AAV he was/is seeking.

My question to the board is this. If you could get Dallas for 4 @ 72, would you do the deal???


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4 years, $68M. $15M each of first to years, player opt out after 2, $19M each last two years.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 24, 2019, 12:56:29 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on January 24, 2019, 12:37:21 pm
4 years, $68M. $15M each of first to years, player opt out after 2, $19M each last two years.


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Boras is going to push for a player opt-out because if Dallas proves he's better than perhaps his 2018 numbers say (and they weren't bad numbers, they just weren't up there where he was better than the entire field). For the Astros, getting at least two more good to great years from Dallas is good for the team because Colin McHugh, imo, is a very good option to replace Morton (much as I loved Morton's game). If both Dallas and McHugh give the Astros innings out of the #3 and #4, that saves the pen for the playoff push.

Just thinking about the great pen the Yankees assembled. one wonders if the starters will give them enough innings to keep that pen strong. In Houston's case, you're going to need inning eaters behind JV and Cole, because counting on kids like Valdez and James to give you innings isn't really very smart. That means a lot of work for the bullpen.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 01:37:17 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 24, 2019, 12:56:29 pm
Boras is going to push for a player opt-out because if Dallas proves he's better than perhaps his 2018 numbers say (and they weren't bad numbers, they just weren't up there where he was better than the entire field). For the Astros, getting at least two more good to great years from Dallas is good for the team because Colin McHugh, imo, is a very good option to replace Morton (much as I loved Morton's game). If both Dallas and McHugh give the Astros innings out of the #3 and #4, that saves the pen for the playoff push.

Just thinking about the great pen the Yankees assembled. one wonders if the starters will give them enough innings to keep that pen strong. In Houston's case, you're going to need inning eaters behind JV and Cole, because counting on kids like Valdez and James to give you innings isn't really very smart. That means a lot of work for the bullpen.
Good take Noe, and I think I agree with you.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 01:40:01 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 24, 2019, 12:27:11 pm
Love him in the past.

Love him in the present.

The future of DK is where we I am not sure - $72 million is a lot of money for your third starter (imo) who has a greater liklihood of bottom out than turning into a JV.   

But wtf do I know? 

Before all of the crazy season, if you would have told me we still have our core (minus McCullers/Morton) and added MBrant, I would have been happy.
Good points Sambito. I think I would offer him the 1 year deal at the QO price again. He will be motivated to pitch well (he was last year too though).


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 24, 2019, 02:08:32 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on January 24, 2019, 01:40:01 pm
Good points Sambito. I think I would offer him the 1 year deal at the QO price again. He will be motivated to pitch well (he was last year too though).


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Certainly a reasonable and flexible arrangement.  I think he has a better chance to put up good numbers for another FA try as our #3 versus being #1 for the Phillies or Reds or White Sox.

*** If I were to rank the best possible scenario for opening day, though, I am not sure Dallas makes my top 2

Scenario 1
1. Sign Harper
2. Trade for Realmuto
3. Trade for Lugo

Scenario 2
1. Trade for Salvy Perez (Altuve's buddy)
2. Trade for the best possible #3 starter in the biz that's available (some question who that is - Syndergaard, Grienke etc.)
3.  Keep Tucker/White and make a play for Encarnacion at the trade deadline if DH needs work

Scenario 3
1. Trade for Salvy
2. Re-sign Keuchel
3. Trade for the top available closer (Raisel for Reds or other)

Would be interesting in other thoughts...  not to detract from the interesting discussion about Keuchel (yea or ne)

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 24, 2019, 02:14:26 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 24, 2019, 02:08:32 pm
Certainly a reasonable and flexible arrangement.  I think he has a better chance to put up good numbers for another FA try as our #3 versus being #1 for the Phillies or Reds or White Sox.

I guess he would be doing what Grandal did in that scenario. Juneberno. (re: pitch for one year and jump back into the FA market or ask for an opt-out at year #2 with a hefty payout)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 24, 2019, 07:42:42 pm
Devo is re-working his delivery (while "trusting the process"). (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Chris-Devenski-spent-offseason-rebuilding-13559991.php)

Correa says he's "100% healthy" with zero back pain and a newfound ability to breathe after getting the deviated septum fixed. (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/carlos-correa-100-percent-healthy-for-2019/c-303122670)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 24, 2019, 07:54:52 pm
Scratching off Pollock...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

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Pitchers

Catchers

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Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 25, 2019, 01:38:27 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 24, 2019, 07:42:42 pm
Devo is re-working his delivery (while "trusting the process"). (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Chris-Devenski-spent-offseason-rebuilding-13559991.php)

Correa says he's "100% healthy" with zero back pain and a newfound ability to breathe after getting the deviated septum fixed. (https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/carlos-correa-100-percent-healthy-for-2019/c-303122670)

Both of these two items are huge for the success of the 2019 Houston Astros. In terms of Devenski, the fact that he is reworking his delivery is good because it just seemed to me (the naked eye) he was struggling to find his release point. I thought maybe he had a shoulder problem and was compensating for it and thus left the ball up in the zone and flat way too much. It's good news that he is reworking his delivery to get his legs and torso working right.

Correa's news is even better. Playing baseball with back pain is no fun at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on January 25, 2019, 02:11:03 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on January 25, 2019, 01:38:27 pm
Correa's news is even better. Playing baseball with back pain is no fun at all.

Hopefully getting the deviated septum fixed will have a similar effect to Josh James getting treated for sleep apnea.  Oxygen is important!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 25, 2019, 03:21:57 pm
Quote from: Bench on January 25, 2019, 02:11:03 pm
Hopefully getting the deviated septum fixed will have a similar effect to Josh James getting treated for sleep apnea.  Oxygen is important!

Little gust from the BBG's (Rome's)

----> Clank
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 25, 2019, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: Bench on January 25, 2019, 02:11:03 pm
Hopefully getting the deviated septum fixed will have a similar effect to Josh James getting treated for sleep apnea.  Oxygen is important!

Agreed!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on January 25, 2019, 06:50:36 pm
Quote from: Bench on January 25, 2019, 02:11:03 pm
Hopefully getting the deviated septum fixed will have a similar effect to Josh James getting treated for sleep apnea.  Oxygen is important!
I dunno about that, Correa already throws 95. Do you want him to break Yuli's hand?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 26, 2019, 01:41:14 am
Crane still not closing door on Keuchel and Marwin. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/astros-owner-jim-crane-comments-free-agency-dallas-keuchel-marwin-gonzalez.html)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 26, 2019, 12:23:54 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 26, 2019, 01:41:14 am
Crane still not closing door on Keuchel and Marwin. (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/astros-owner-jim-crane-comments-free-agency-dallas-keuchel-marwin-gonzalez.html)

So then what with Diaz? I hope Marwin returns, but he is not an impact bat.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 26, 2019, 02:07:00 pm
Chandler Rome @Chandler_Rome 12m ago
Justin Verlander, who is a free agent after this season, said the topic of a contract extension with the Astros "has not even been breached."

"I don't know what their organizational plans are. It's something I wouldn't be opposed to."
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 26, 2019, 03:02:51 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 26, 2019, 02:07:00 pm
Chandler Rome @Chandler_Rome 12m ago
Justin Verlander, who is a free agent after this season, said the topic of a contract extension with the Astros "has not even been breached."

"I don't know what their organizational plans are. It's something I wouldn't be opposed to."

Praise be!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on January 26, 2019, 03:23:16 pm
this  is rattling  even my brain. any explanation
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on January 27, 2019, 12:27:22 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 26, 2019, 12:23:54 pm
So then what with Diaz? I hope Marwin returns, but he is not an impact bat.

I can't imagine where Marwin would fit on this team anymore.  Brantley is in LF.  The Astros starters are set in the infield.  And they have plenty of utlility players.  Spending money on Marwin just seems silly at this point.  Spend the money on starting pitching. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 27, 2019, 12:40:18 pm
Get a starter.
Extend Verlander.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 27, 2019, 01:43:31 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on January 27, 2019, 12:27:22 pm
I can't imagine where Marwin would fit on this team anymore.  Brantley is in LF.  The Astros starters are set in the infield.  And they have plenty of utlility players.  Spending money on Marwin just seems silly at this point.  Spend the money on starting pitching.

No DH, and please do not say Tyler White.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on January 27, 2019, 02:32:08 pm
There are utility players; then there is Marwin.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Tom Servo on January 27, 2019, 02:35:52 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 27, 2019, 01:43:31 pm
No DH, and please do not say Tyler White.

And giving guys days off without losing too much is always a luxury.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on January 27, 2019, 06:44:31 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 27, 2019, 01:43:31 pm
No DH, and please do not say Tyler White.
“Tyler White”

But seriously - he has improved every year and has always surprised. Not quite to the extent of Aktive, but still - i would not dismiss his chances.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 27, 2019, 07:23:49 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on January 27, 2019, 06:44:31 pm
“Tyler White”

But seriously - he has improved every year and has always surprised. Not quite to the extent of Aktive, but still - i would not dismiss his chances.

He will get chances by default if Luhnow does not add a bat. He reverted to who he is in the postseason, I fear.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on January 27, 2019, 07:29:05 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 27, 2019, 07:23:49 pm
He will get chances by default if Luhnow does not add a bat. He reverted to who he is in the postseason, I fear.
He had a rough September as well but I’m confident he will adjust.

Since 9/1/16 he has a wRC+ of 137 in the majors. That’s tied with Bryce Harper and Josh Donaldson for reference.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 27, 2019, 07:33:43 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 27, 2019, 07:29:05 pm
He had a rough September as well but I’m confident he will adjust.

Since 9/1/16 he has a wRC+ of 137 in the majors. That’s tied with Bryce Harper and Josh Donaldson for reference.

Whatever the fuck that is. Totally meaningless when he fails in the postseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on January 27, 2019, 07:39:44 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 27, 2019, 07:33:43 pm
Whatever the fuck that is. Totally meaningless when he fails in the postseason.
Good grief you’re crotchety. He has a higher slugging average in that time than Harper too. Is that more your speed?

He was also in a funk the entire month of September so no surprise he struggled in the postseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 27, 2019, 07:41:58 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 27, 2019, 07:39:44 pm
Good grief you’re crotchety. He has a higher slugging average in that time than Harper too. Is that more your speed?

He was also in a funk the entire month of September so no surprise he struggled in the postseason.

I do not give a rat’s ass about past stats when the postseason begins. All that matters to me is what he did with runners on and the game on the line then.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on January 27, 2019, 08:21:02 pm
Quote from: Bench on January 25, 2019, 02:11:03 pm
Hopefully getting the deviated septum fixed will have a similar effect to Josh James getting treated for sleep apnea.  Oxygen is important!

Not a deviated septum, but in November I had a polyp the size of a golf ball removed from my left sinus.  I forgot what it was like to sleep through the night without waking up 2-3 times.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on January 27, 2019, 08:46:03 pm
Quote from: Waldo on January 27, 2019, 08:21:02 pm
Not a deviated septum, but in November I had a polyp the size of a golf ball removed from my left sinus.  I forgot what it was like to sleep through the night without waking up 2-3 times.

In a few years, you'll have to wake up 2-3 times just to pee.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 27, 2019, 09:41:23 pm
Quote from: Waldo on January 27, 2019, 08:21:02 pm
Not a deviated septum, but in November I had a polyp the size of a golf ball removed from my left sinus.  I forgot what it was like to sleep through the night without waking up 2-3 times.

"Is that a Titleist?"


Glad you're better.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on January 28, 2019, 01:09:43 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on January 27, 2019, 08:46:03 pm
In a few years, you'll have to wake up 2-3 times just to pee.

T'aint that the truth!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 28, 2019, 06:37:18 am
Quote from: Waldo on January 27, 2019, 08:21:02 pm
Not a deviated septum, but in November I had a polyp the size of a golf ball removed from my left sinus.  I forgot what it was like to sleep through the night without waking up 2-3 times.

Holy cow!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on January 28, 2019, 10:42:28 am
Quote from: JimR on January 27, 2019, 01:43:31 pm
No DH, and please do not say Tyler White.

Let's assume for the moment that Marwin is a better hitter than Tyler White, I'd still rather have Tyler White because Marwin is going to cost a bunch of money that could be better spent on starting pitching.  And Tyler White is basically playing for nothing.  (And don't tell me that money isn't an issue).  But if the Astros were going to go out and get a free agent DH, I'd rather get Moustakas.  Much more power than Marwin.  I also think that Moustakas will sign for less years and less money than Marwin.  As for White's posteason, yeah, he had a crappy series against the Red Sox (as did a lot of the Astros), but he had a good series against the Indians.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 28, 2019, 10:44:43 am
Quote from: toddthebod on January 28, 2019, 10:42:28 am
Let's assume for the moment that Marwin is a better hitter than Tyler White, I'd still rather have Tyler White because Marwin is going to cost a bunch of money that could be better spent on starting pitching.  And Tyler White is basically playing for nothing.  (And don't tell me that money isn't an issue).  But if the Astros were going to go out and get a free agent DH, I'd rather get Moustakas.  Much more power than Marwin.  I also think that Moustakas will sign for less years and less money than Marwin.  As for White's posteason, yeah, he had a crappy series against the Red Sox (as did a lot of the Astros), but he had a good series against the Indians.

Money isn't an issue, but you're still right.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on January 28, 2019, 02:16:59 pm
Quote from: HudsonHawk on January 27, 2019, 08:46:03 pm
In a few years, you'll have to wake up 2-3 times just to pee.

I hate you [as I get up to go pee].
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on January 31, 2019, 12:10:33 pm
MLB.com reports Realmuto talks are now in "advanced stages" and there is a clear "final four": Padres, Reds, Dodgers, Braves:
https://www.mlb.com/news/jt-realmuto-trade-talk-in-advanced-stages/c-303381944?tid=282421090
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on January 31, 2019, 05:15:49 pm
In actual 2019 Astros roster news, they've signed LHP Wade Miley to a 1-year, $4.5 million deal. No option or anything.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on January 31, 2019, 05:22:24 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 31, 2019, 05:15:49 pm
In actual 2019 Astros roster news, they've signed LHP Wade Miley to a 1-year, $4.5 million deal. No option or anything.

Here's an article about how Miley reinvented himself (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2018/10/06/lefty-wade-miley-reinvented-himself-help-brewers-make-postseason/1530467002/) last season.

The simple answer is that Miley, 31, discovered the “cut” fastball, or cutter, as it is known in baseball circles. It is an en vogue pitch that has transformed the careers of many pitchers but was particularly crucial for Miley because it gave him a pitch he could bury in on right-handed hitters, sawing off their bats.

-----

Last season, Miley threw his fastball 53 percent of the time, according to FanGraphs. This year, he has thrown it a mere 20 percent of the time, while throwing cutters at a 42 percent rate. Miley also is using his curveball and changeup more, trying to keep hitters off-balance.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on January 31, 2019, 05:33:49 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 31, 2019, 05:15:49 pm
In actual 2019 Astros roster news, they've signed LHP Wade Miley to a 1-year, $4.5 million deal. No option or anything.
Fantastic!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 05:40:22 pm
In addition to what's been noted already, re-posting this from three weeks ago...

Ken Rosenthal  @Ken_Rosenthal 5h ago
From a scout who recently saw free-agent LHP Wade Miley throw a bullpen: “He hasn’t changed since the post season. Every pitch was down with plus command of FB, CH, CB and cutter. He’s in great shape and clearly on a mission.”

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitchers who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 05:53:46 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 31, 2019, 05:33:49 pm
Fantastic!

Indeed. More than happy with the job Luhnow has done this offseason. Still got plenty of prospect powder to make a deadline deal(s). Not to mention CBT cushion.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on January 31, 2019, 06:34:26 pm
Quote from: mrpink on January 31, 2019, 05:33:49 pm
Fantastic!
I love this as well. Solid addition to the rotation for relatively cheap. I think rotation is now set with revolving door of Valdez, James and Whitley in the 5 slot to limit their innings.

Nice job Jeff!!


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 06:37:47 pm
Back to 39...

Pitchers (21)
Abreu
Armenteros
Cole
Deetz
Devenski
Guduan
Harris
James
Martes (questionable whether he's moved to 60-day DL due to possible service time implications)
McCullers (almost certainly gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training)
McHugh
Miley
Osuna
Peacock (out of options)
Perez
Pressly
Rodgers
Rondon
Smith (probably gets moved to 60-day DL during spring training if spot needed)
Valdez
Verlander

Catchers (3)
Chirinos
Stassi (out of options)
Stubbs*

Infielders [7]
Altuve
Bregman
Correa
Diaz
Gurriel
Reed*
White (out of options)

Outfielders [8]
Brantley*
Fisher*
Kemp* (out of options)
Marisnick (can elect free agency under Article XIX(A) if sent to minors 40 days after the season starts)
Reddick*
Springer
Straw
Tucker*

*Lefty-hitting
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: DVauthrin on January 31, 2019, 06:54:30 pm
Quote from: moriartp on January 31, 2019, 05:15:49 pm
In actual 2019 Astros roster news, they've signed LHP Wade Miley to a 1-year, $4.5 million deal. No option or anything.

If he pitches anywhere close to how he did with the Brewers last year, it’s a great signing. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 31, 2019, 07:21:32 pm
Love the signing. 

Lefty
Known quantity
Career resurgence
Relatively Cheap
No long term burdens

Could someone help me consider what a package of three or four players from below could get us (since they are out of options)?  Reverse engineering kind of question.  4 for 1 type trade

1. Tony Kemp
2. Derek Fisher
3. Great White
4. Max Stassi
5. AJ Reed
6. Jake Marisnick

Plus some mix of either Reddick/Bukauskas/Framber/Josh James

Certainly we could get a Realmuto/Salvy Perez --- and I know the mandate by Jeter et al about Tucker/Whitley...
If we could clear a few of these players out of the system it makes way for another free agent signing as well as Alvarez.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 07:40:06 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 31, 2019, 07:21:32 pm
Could someone help me consider what a package of three or four players from below could get us (since they are out of options)?  Reverse engineering kind of question.  4 for 1 type trade

1. Tony Kemp
2. Derek Fisher
3. Great White
4. Max Stassi
5. AJ Reed
6. Jake Marisnick

Plus some mix of either Reddick/Bukauskas/Framber/Josh James

Thoughts?

Young, cheap and controllable is what the Marlins want (and the Royals, if they reverse course and decide to trade Salvy at the deadline). So that leaves the remaining 5 above (one of which has little or no value). Fisher's value probably is not all that high at this stage so you'd be selling low. JBB we know is available. One would suspect Framber is as well. I can't imagine Luhnow wanting to trade James.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 31, 2019, 07:51:57 pm
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/wade-miley-489119 (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/wade-miley-489119)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on January 31, 2019, 07:51:57 pm
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/wade-miley-489119 (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/wade-miley-489119)

You've got folks who don't understand wRC+ and now you want them to understand xwOBAcon?

One word: duck.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on January 31, 2019, 08:22:18 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 pm
You've got folks who don't understand wRC+ and now you want them to understand xwOBAcon?

One word: duck.

I'm just passing along a link . . .

Please.   I have a family.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 08:56:49 pm
Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 1h ago
The Astros always have some improvement plan in mind when they acquire pitchers. With Wade Miley, it's about refining and continuing to develop his cut fastball.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on January 31, 2019, 10:39:20 pm
Does anyone else think that Miley is just a cheaper version of Keuchel?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on January 31, 2019, 10:57:07 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 07:40:06 pm
Young, cheap and controllable is what the Marlins want (and the Royals, if they reverse course and decide to trade Salvy at the deadline). So that leaves the remaining 5 above (one of which has little or no value). Fisher's value probably is not all that high at this stage so you'd be selling low. JBB we know is available. One would suspect Framber is as well. I can't imagine Luhnow wanting to trade James.

My 2 cents.

So the way I read it, is that it would be hard for J Luhn to ship off some of our excess inventory (5 or 6 players) in bulk to get one solid gem? 

Btw, Nate, I feel like your name should just be "the source" or the "the font" of all wisdom. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on January 31, 2019, 11:27:42 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 pm
You've got folks who don't understand wRC+ and now you want them to understand xwOBAcon?

One word: duck.

Did you mean don’t  understand or don’t give a fuck?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 11:50:10 pm
Quote from: JimR on January 31, 2019, 11:27:42 pm
Did you mean don’t  understand or don’t give a fuck?

Either. One tends to shorthand these things to save time and keystrokes.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 01, 2019, 12:01:59 am
Quote from: Sambito Redux on January 31, 2019, 10:57:07 pm
So the way I read it, is that it would be hard for J Luhn to ship off some of our excess inventory (5 or 6 players) in bulk to get one solid gem?

It depends on how you define "excess inventory". The cupboard is clearly bursting with a lot of pitching prospects and I do see Luhnow dealing from that strength. Does JBB + Framber (or Cionel) + a couple of lower level pitching prospects get you your "gem"? Perhaps, though it might not be either of the 2 guys you mentioned.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 08:52:43 am
Quote from: toddthebod on January 31, 2019, 10:39:20 pm
Does anyone else think that Miley is just a cheaper version of Keuchel?
If Miley performs like he did last year, or even if he is slightly worse, the answer is absolutely yes. Economically, based on where they will pitch in the rotation, it was a great move by Luhnow. Wade had a better ERA, WHIP and hits allowed per 9 number than Dallas and the ERA was significantly better. Admittedly, Keuchel has much better career numbers, but when you look at their most recent performance last season, Miley seemed to have a better year. The sample size on Miley was smaller in comparison. He only pitched 80 innings to Keuchel’s 200, but that was across 16 starts so it’s big enough for me to be comfortable with his numbers.

The downside to Miley as I see it, is that he will not pitch as deep into games as Keuchel. You are probably looking at 5 and done so the pen will be getting extensive work on nights he pitches.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 09:00:59 am
His contract (see Nate’s post in the payroll thread) is interesting in that the incentives are for games started and for relief appearances. Miley clearly thinks there’s a chance he’ll be in bullpen for a good chunk of the season. Sounds like the club wouldn’t guarantee him a rotation spot, which could mean they’re still considering adding another starter. And there’s still plenty of payroll space available.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 01, 2019, 09:23:46 am
Quote from: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 09:00:59 am
His contract (see Nate’s post in the payroll thread) is interesting in that the incentives are for games started and for relief appearances. Miley clearly thinks there’s a chance he’ll be in bullpen for a good chunk of the season. Sounds like the club wouldn’t guarantee him a rotation spot, which could mean they’re still considering adding another starter. And there’s still plenty of payroll space available.
They may be considering adding another starter but also puts Miley in the mix with James and Valdez for the 4th and/or 5th starter.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 09:47:34 am
Quote from: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 09:00:59 am
His contract (see Nate’s post in the payroll thread) is interesting in that the incentives are for games started and for relief appearances. Miley clearly thinks there’s a chance he’ll be in bullpen for a good chunk of the season. Sounds like the club wouldn’t guarantee him a rotation spot, which could mean they’re still considering adding another starter. And there’s still plenty of payroll space available.
I think where he ends up depends in part on how he, James, Valdez, Whitley and others perform in spring training.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 01, 2019, 09:48:43 am
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 01, 2019, 09:23:46 am
They may be considering adding another starter but also puts Miley in the mix with James and Valdez for the 4th and/or 5th starter.

Someone needs to replace Smith's role in the bullpen too. Not necessarily Miley, but the added depth to both rotation and bullpen might push someone else to step up into that role.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on February 01, 2019, 10:04:18 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 pm
You've got folks who don't understand wRC+ and now you want them to understand xwOBAcon?

One word: duck.

That there are new stats based on Pitchf/x data is inevitable and interesting to me.  (and the Astros front office probably).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 10:07:12 am
Quote from: Bench on February 01, 2019, 09:48:43 am
Someone needs to replace Smith's role in the bullpen too. Not necessarily Miley, but the added depth to both rotation and bullpen might push someone else to step up into that role.
Question for the masses but particularly Nate. Does Armenteros, provided he pitches well in spring training, have a realistic shot at making the big club? His stats are impressive and I thought he looked great in spring last year.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 01, 2019, 11:28:35 am
Quote from: subnuclear on February 01, 2019, 10:04:18 am
That there are new stats based on Pitchf/x data is inevitable and interesting to me.  (and the Astros front office probably).

Stats are interesting to me also, and I try to understand the new ones before calling BS on them (OPS, are you listening?). Stats give a detailed description of what a player has done in the past thus far and help in the impossible task of predicting the future. I am not anti-stat.

What I have no patience with, which occasioned my latest “who gives a fuck,” is the tendency of some to excuse current failure with stats showing past successful performance. That is the coach in me.  If my DH, whose sole job is to hit, consistently fails to hit and drive in runs when the team needs them, I do not want to hear from him (or his apologists) “Yeah but my (insert stat) is equal to or better than (insert some great player). I want my players to produce them the team needs them and I am not comforted by their past achievements. White in the ALCS is my most recent reminder of this.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on February 01, 2019, 11:33:50 am
Quote from: JimR on February 01, 2019, 11:28:35 am
Stats are interesting to me also, and I try to understand the new ones before calling BS on them (OPS, are you listening?). Stats give a detailed description of what a player has done in the past thus far and help in the impossible task of predicting the future. I am not anti-stat.

What I have no patience with, which occasioned my latest “who gives a fuck,” is the tendency of some to excuse current failure with stats showing past successful performance. That is the coach in me.  If my DH, whose sole job is to hit, consistently fails to hit and drive in runs when the team needs them, I do not want to hear from him (or his apologists) “Yeah but my (insert stat) is equal to or better than (insert some great player). I want my players to produce them the team needs them and I am not comforted by their past achievements. White in the ALCS is my most recent reminder of this.

And Carl Everett.  Too soon?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on February 01, 2019, 11:41:31 am
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 01, 2019, 09:23:46 am
They may be considering adding another starter but also puts Miley in the mix with James and Valdez for the 4th and/or 5th starter.

Well, it is possible that Miley is the only left-handed pitcher on the Astros MLB roster this season.  And the Astros do have Whitley seemingly on the verge of coming up.  So I could see a scenario where Whitley -- if he is pitching well -- comes up in June and Miley moves to the pen.  Notably, Miley has not pitched a game in relief since 2012. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: mrpink on February 01, 2019, 11:45:19 am
Quote from: Jacksonian on February 01, 2019, 11:33:50 am
And Carl Everett.  Too soon?
and Bagwell and Biggio.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on February 01, 2019, 11:48:11 am
Quote from: JimR on February 01, 2019, 11:28:35 am
Stats are interesting to me also, and I try to understand the new ones before calling BS on them (OPS, are you listening?). Stats give a detailed description of what a player has done in the past thus far and help in the impossible task of predicting the future. I am not anti-stat.

What I have no patience with, which occasioned my latest “who gives a fuck,” is the tendency of some to excuse current failure with stats showing past successful performance. That is the coach in me.  If my DH, whose sole job is to hit, consistently fails to hit and drive in runs when the team needs them, I do not want to hear from him (or his apologists) “Yeah but my (insert stat) is equal to or better than (insert some great player). I want my players to produce them the team needs them and I am not comforted by their past achievements. White in the ALCS is my most recent reminder of this.

I hear you. Just wanted to point out at that the wOBAcon (or whatever) is based on camera data and not traditional stats (like wRC+), so there is actually new information.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on February 01, 2019, 11:52:47 am
Now I'm getting hungry.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 01, 2019, 02:12:47 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 10:07:12 am
Question for the masses but particularly Nate. Does Armenteros, provided he pitches well in spring training, have a realistic shot at making the big club? His stats are impressive and I thought he looked great in spring last year.

I like Armenteros but I think his shot is either later in the year or (more likely) 2020. Provided of course he doesn't get packaged in a deal before then.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 03:01:00 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 01, 2019, 02:12:47 pm
I like Armenteros but I think his shot is either later in the year or (more likely) 2020. Provided of course he doesn't get packaged in a deal before then.
Thanks Nate for your input.

So, just for kicks and giggles....

2020 Rotation (Assuming they sign JV for 1 year and Cole long term)

Verlander
Cole
Whitley
Valdez
James

2021 Rotation

Cole
Whitley
Valdez
James
Armenteros/JBB/Martin

I really like the fact going forward, that we will have young, quality, controllable arms in the rotation for relatively cheap. Barring trades that is. And even if you don’t sign Verlander after this year, if Armenteros, JBB or Martin get their feet wet this September, they could perhaps be ready for 2020.

At least it looks like the brass has a done a great job of positioning the pitching going forward.



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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 01, 2019, 03:09:57 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 03:01:00 pm
(Assuming they sign JV for 1 year and Cole long term)


I hope this is not a reasonable assumption. If Justin Verlander pitches anything like last season and can only get a 1 year deal I'll consider striking with the players.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 03:45:55 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 01, 2019, 03:09:57 pm
I hope this is not a reasonable assumption. If Justin Verlander pitches anything like last season and can only get a 1 year deal I'll consider striking with the players.
While I kind of share your opinion, I’m just going by what I’ve heard Bowden and Duqette say regarding Cole and Verlander. Each agrees that the Astros will consider signing both. Each also agrees that once arbs are done and spring training gets underway, conversations will probably start with Cole. In their opinions as former GM’s, they would each have a talk with Verlander to let him know they are interested, but that because of his age and mileage on his arm they want to wait until after the season to negotiate. While he is a stud, they both think a deal longer than 3 years at his age is unlikely. He will be almost 37 at the start of the 2020 season. They felt 1-2 years with a high AAV at a place he could win another title was likely and hopefully that is Houston, but not 3 or more years. I can understand that. I’d be real uneasy with a 40 year old pitcher at 30 million plus on my roster, even if it is JV. I haven’t researched it, but among active pitchers, he has to have thrown more pitches than almost anyone in the show.

He is superhuman though.....


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on February 01, 2019, 03:51:44 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 03:01:00 pm
2020 Rotation (Assuming they sign JV for 1 year and Cole long term)

Verlander
Cole
Whitley
Valdez
James

No McCullers?  And I'm hoping that McHugh will still be in the mix by that point.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 04:00:30 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 03:45:55 pm
I’d be real uneasy with a 40 year old pitcher at 30 million plus on my roster, even if it is JV. I haven’t researched it, but among active pitchers, he has to have thrown more pitches than almost anyone in the show.

He is superhuman though.....

What have I to dread, what have I to fear, leaning on the everlasting arm?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 04:30:47 pm
Quote from: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 04:00:30 pm
What have I to dread, what have I to fear, leaning on the everlasting arm?
Well played sir!!


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Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 01, 2019, 04:33:23 pm
Quote from: Waldo on February 01, 2019, 03:51:44 pm
No McCullers?  And I'm hoping that McHugh will still be in the mix by that point.
Damn! I forgot about LMJ!!!! I guess out of sight out of mind holds true for me. We are in even better shape than I thought.

Yeah, and I’d like to resign McHugh but who knows? After he wins the Cy Young this year someone is gonna throw big bucks at him! [emoji12]


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jwhudson on February 01, 2019, 05:07:24 pm
I hope that JV is not treated like Nolan was before he left for the Rangers.  If JV pitches this year like last year, I would definitely hope he comes back. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on February 01, 2019, 06:02:03 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on February 01, 2019, 11:41:31 am
Well, it is possible that Miley is the only left-handed pitcher on the Astros MLB roster this season.

Possible, but in all probabilty Cionel Perez and Miley are interchangeable. Both can either start or relieve. I believe that Framber Valdez will start in AAA with the task of learning to control the strikezone better. Cionel Perez is more about trusting and using his stuff better and with his stuff, he can certainly work out of the pen for now. Like you, I believe Whitley and Valdez are insurance policies in AAA and of course at the major league level you have Peacock as well in case {*throws salt over shoulder*] someone gets hurt.

What I like about Miley is that he seems to have turned the corner and found his repeatable pitch... a cutter...  to get people out. Like Keuchel saying he owes his career to guru Brent Strom, hopefully Miley gets just that much better with his newfound success using a cutter while he learns how to manage a game as a starter from Strom.

For Miley, after next year, all those positives can mean a bigger payday next offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: hostros7 on February 01, 2019, 07:39:41 pm
Quote from: jwhudson on February 01, 2019, 05:07:24 pm
I hope that JV is not treated like Nolan was before he left for the Rangers.  If JV pitches this year like last year, I would definitely hope he comes back.

I hope he receives the DQ treatment without the DQ melodrama. In other words, a fat, standing one year contract for every year he wants to pitch until he hangs it up. But, as Bench said, he would certainly command a longer-term offer if his 2019 remotely resembles his 2018.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 02, 2019, 07:18:45 am
I wonder if the Brain Trust still is looking for a bat? I’ll bet there is an offer to Harper on the table. Like all of you, I hope an extension for JV is next up. Then Cole. Having those guys around cannot hurt in keeping the Core Four.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fynn on February 02, 2019, 08:57:59 am
Collin McHugh will be a free agent after this season-would love to have him stay.  Good pitcher and example for the youngsters coming up.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on February 02, 2019, 10:08:07 am
Quote from: Fynn on February 02, 2019, 08:57:59 am
Collin McHugh will be a free agent after this season-would love to have him stay.  Good pitcher and example for the youngsters coming up.

Club has taken him to arbitration 2 out of last 3 seasons and if memory serves, lost each time. Can’t be a positive for him returning.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 02, 2019, 12:05:12 pm
Quote from: jaklewein on February 02, 2019, 10:08:07 am
Club has taken him to arbitration 2 out of last 3 seasons and if memory serves, lost each time. Can’t be a positive for him returning.
If he puts together a good year he will be in for a nice raise. Will be extremely difficult to sign he, Verlander and Cole.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 02, 2019, 12:32:06 pm
Quote from: JimR on February 02, 2019, 07:18:45 am
I wonder if the Brain Trust still is looking for a bat? I’ll bet there is an offer to Harper on the table. Like all of you, I hope an extension for JV is next up. Then Cole. Having those guys around cannot hurt in keeping the Core Four.
I think Harper would mash in our lineup behind Springer and Altuve and in front of Bergman and Correa. I really wish Crane would bite the bullet and do this. Yes, you bust the tax threshold but the merchandise sales alone with Harper might pay for the tax. I would offer a one to two year deal at a number he couldn’t turn down, say $38-40 per or a four year deal at $160 with opt out after 2 or 3.

I’d like Verlander back next year as well but I can’t see them giving a 37 year old pitcher a 3 or 4 year deal. It is going to be a difficult call. Cole, if he produces this year like last year, will probably double his current 13 million dollar salary. He’d come with less physical risk than JV because of his age so signing Cole makes the most sense in my opinion. It will be costly to sign both.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 02, 2019, 04:16:54 pm
Crane said he would not be surprised with two more moves. Miley is one.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on February 03, 2019, 07:35:35 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 02, 2019, 12:32:06 pm
I think Harper would mash in our lineup behind Springer and Altuve and in front of Bergman and Correa. I really wish Crane would bite the bullet and do this. Yes, you bust the tax threshold but the merchandise sales alone with Harper might pay for the tax. I would offer a one to two year deal at a number he couldn’t turn down, say $38-40 per or a four year deal at $160 with opt out after 2 or 3.

I’d like Verlander back next year as well but I can’t see them giving a 37 year old pitcher a 3 or 4 year deal. It is going to be a difficult call. Cole, if he produces this year like last year, will probably double his current 13 million dollar salary. He’d come with less physical risk than JV because of his age so signing Cole makes the most sense in my opinion. It will be costly to sign both.


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If I had Crane's money I would give Verlander a 3-year deal in a fucking heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on February 03, 2019, 11:36:54 pm
Quote from: Reuben on February 03, 2019, 07:35:35 pm
If I had Crane's money I would give Verlander a 3-year deal in a fucking heartbeat.
Unless it was crazy stupid money, why would JV take that and not look around for 5?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on February 04, 2019, 07:43:31 am
Quote from: moriartp on February 01, 2019, 04:00:30 pm
What have I to dread, what have I to fear, leaning on the everlasting arm?
This one came up yesterday morning and I had a little trouble staying on topic.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 04, 2019, 11:13:00 am
Quote from: Lefty on February 03, 2019, 11:36:54 pm
Unless it was crazy stupid money, why would JV take that and not look around for 5?
All you have to do is look around at the contracts players are signing these days to realize that JV probably isn’t getting 5 years. Not at age 37 and not with the mileage on that arm. If he gets five years I’ll gladly eat crow. I would be a little surprised if he gets a 3 year deal. I could see 1 or 2 but not anything that takes him past age 40. See Pujols. It might be a little different if we were taking small dollars, but we won’t be talking about that with JV unless something drastically bad happens this year. If he puts together a similar year as last season, he will probably ask for 25-30 AAV. The analytics teams go by today will frown on that kind of money at his age for anything more than a year, perhaps two years, at a time. That is a huge risk financially at his age, regardless of how great he is.

He just might be the exception to the rule, but I doubt it. Will be interesting to see what the Astros do regarding him.

Just my opinion.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 04, 2019, 12:36:33 pm
Pujols is not a good comp. Look how Maddux, Glavine, Clemens, pitched in to their 40s. Ryan, Seaver, Perry, Niekro, etc. I think Verlander has eyes on 300.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 04, 2019, 12:55:46 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 04, 2019, 12:36:33 pm
Pujols is not a good comp. Look how Maddux, Glavine, Clemens, pitched in to their 40s. Ryan, Seaver, Perry, Niekro, etc. I think Verlander has eyes on 300.
Yeah, Pujols probably not a good comp. JV is superhuman so as I said, he may be the exception to the rule. It will be interesting given today’s analytics and contract climate to see what he is offered.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on February 04, 2019, 12:59:46 pm
I would love JV to stay,  but my fear is he'll go to LA.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on February 04, 2019, 01:22:42 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on February 04, 2019, 12:59:46 pm
I would love JV to stay,  but my fear is he'll go to LA.

My Memorial area friends say that he and the family are really enjoying Houston.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on February 04, 2019, 01:28:56 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on February 04, 2019, 12:59:46 pm
I would love JV to stay,  but my fear is he'll go to LA.
Because his wife?  He doesn't seem real LA to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on February 04, 2019, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: jbm on February 04, 2019, 01:28:56 pm
Because his wife?  He doesn't seem real LA to me.

Kate doesn’t seem especially LA.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 04, 2019, 03:38:34 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on February 04, 2019, 03:37:32 pm
Kate doesn’t seem especially LA.


She seems to have a "been there done that" attitude about it.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on February 04, 2019, 03:56:07 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on February 04, 2019, 03:37:32 pm
Kate doesn’t seem especially LA.


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I agree.  I was just trying to figure out why LA would be a good fit for him and was wondering if there might be professional reasons for her.

I assume if there is a locational allure for them, it would be back to Detroit, but I have no clue about these things
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on February 04, 2019, 04:05:13 pm
Quote from: jbm on February 04, 2019, 01:28:56 pm
Because his wife?  He doesn't seem real LA to me.

I think LA was on his no trade exemption list.

Keep in mind, this isn't a prediction but a fear.

It ranks up there between nuclear war and carnies on my list.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on February 04, 2019, 04:30:28 pm
Quote from: JimR on February 02, 2019, 07:18:45 am
I’ll bet there is an offer to Harper on the table.

Without any support, I also think this is the case.

The Astros wanted to trade for him last season.  And he would give the team such a dominating lineup that I can't believe Luhnow and Crane aren't drooling about the possibilities.   

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on February 04, 2019, 04:48:37 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on February 04, 2019, 04:30:28 pm
Without any support, I also think this is the case.

The Astros wanted to trade for him last season.  And he would give the team such a dominating lineup that I can't believe Luhnow and Crane aren't drooling about the possibilities.   

Such a lineup would have huge tracts of land.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on February 04, 2019, 10:15:41 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on February 04, 2019, 04:05:13 pm
I think LA was on his no trade exemption list.

Keep in mind, this isn't a prediction but a fear.

It ranks up there between nuclear war and carnies on my list.

What about the Dutch?

Also, isn’t it pretty typical for big name players to put large market teams on their no-trade exemption list?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: hostros7 on February 07, 2019, 11:45:42 am
Twitter says Realmuto is headed to Philly.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 07, 2019, 12:15:49 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on February 07, 2019, 11:45:42 am
Twitter says Realmuto is headed to Philly.


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You know, if I’m the Phillies, if I can pull off this trade and extend him, I might turn around and sign Keuchel and Kimbrell rather than Harper or Machado and call it a day.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on February 07, 2019, 12:18:52 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on February 07, 2019, 11:45:42 am
Twitter says Realmuto is headed to Philly.


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Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro leading the deal, which would be more than, say, Whitley and Stasi.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 07, 2019, 12:42:58 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on February 07, 2019, 12:18:52 pm
Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro leading the deal, which would be more than, say, Whitley and Stasi.


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They were speculating on Power Ally a moment ago that if those were indeed the players Philly was giving up, someone else besides JTR better be going north. I guess they felt like this would be an overpay for just JTR.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on February 07, 2019, 01:11:29 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 07, 2019, 12:42:58 pm
They were speculating on Power Ally a moment ago that if those were indeed the players Philly was giving up, someone else besides JTR better be going north. I guess they felt like this would be an overpay for just JTR.


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Two years of JTR as it were. Overpay indeed. If this is true (and something inside me says the names are probably wrong), Marlin's played the game of chicken with the MLB quite well.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on February 07, 2019, 03:11:33 pm
MLB.com says (https://www.mlb.com/news/jt-realmuto-phillies-marlins-trade/c-303642694?tid=282421090):
* Sixto Sanchez (No. 27 overall prospect in MLB)
* Jorge Alfaro (a previous top-50 prospect who played 108 games in the bigs last year)
* Will Stewart (a Class A pitcher), and
* $250,000 in international bonus slot money

for Realmuto and nothing else.

Sounds like Miami got their payday.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on February 07, 2019, 03:24:39 pm
Quote from: BUWebguy on February 07, 2019, 03:11:33 pm
MLB.com says (https://www.mlb.com/news/jt-realmuto-phillies-marlins-trade/c-303642694?tid=282421090):
* Sixto Sanchez (No. 27 overall prospect in MLB)
* Jorge Alfaro (a previous top-50 prospect who played 108 games in the bigs last year)
* Will Stewart (a Class A pitcher), and
* $250,000 in international bonus slot money

for Realmuto and nothing else.

Sounds like Miami got their payday.

They cashed in alright. Phillies might be showing the rest of the NL they're in a win now mode, future be damned.  Good for both teams even if Phillie did overpay... by a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 07, 2019, 03:31:13 pm
Quote from: BUWebguy on February 07, 2019, 03:11:33 pm
MLB.com says (https://www.mlb.com/news/jt-realmuto-phillies-marlins-trade/c-303642694?tid=282421090):
* Sixto Sanchez (No. 27 overall prospect in MLB)
* Jorge Alfaro (a previous top-50 prospect who played 108 games in the bigs last year)
* Will Stewart (a Class A pitcher), and
* $250,000 in international bonus slot money

for Realmuto and nothing else.

Sounds like Miami got their payday.
Alfaro went to Philly in the Cole Hamels deal. He has potential to be nearly as good as Realmuto.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on February 07, 2019, 03:48:41 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 07, 2019, 03:31:13 pm
Alfaro went to Philly in the Cole Hamels deal. He has potential to be nearly as good as Realmuto.

25 years old and team control (under
Current rules) through 2023


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on February 08, 2019, 10:05:10 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 07, 2019, 03:31:13 pm
Alfaro went to Philly in the Cole Hamels deal. He has potential to be nearly as good as Realmuto.
Does he realistically though? I thought I’d read he strikes out a ton, and is bad at blocking balls.

I mean, yes, he’s probably better than Stassi, and the Phils did pay a heavy price, but I dunno if they’ll regret including Alfaro all that much.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 09, 2019, 08:30:06 am
Quote from: Reuben on February 08, 2019, 10:05:10 pm
Does he realistically though? I thought I’d read he strikes out a ton, and is bad at blocking balls.

I mean, yes, he’s probably better than Stassi, and the Phils did pay a heavy price, but I dunno if they’ll regret including Alfaro all that much.
I don't think he'll be an all-star but I think Miami got a pretty good catcher in return, a guy who is still improving.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fynn on February 09, 2019, 04:36:29 pm
Probably won't make the roster this year, but an interesting BA article on Brandon Bielak who really doesn't get
much pub.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/brandon-bielak-continues-to-impress/
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 10, 2019, 12:13:18 am
Quote from: Fynn on February 09, 2019, 04:36:29 pm
Probably won't make the roster this year, but an interesting BA article on Brandon Bielak who really doesn't get
much pub.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/brandon-bielak-continues-to-impress/

I'm sure you're aware but he's been mentioned quite a bit in the Bus Ride particularly in the Top Prospects thread.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fynn on February 10, 2019, 12:37:29 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 10, 2019, 12:13:18 am
I'm sure you're aware but he's been mentioned quite a bit in the Bus Ride particularly in the Top Prospects thread.

Yes.  Your work on prospect lists is stellar.   Cannot wait to hear about the prospects in ST.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 10, 2019, 06:00:20 pm
Free-agent left-hander Dallas Keuchel asked for a six- to seven-year contract worth $25MM to $30MM per annum at the beginning of the offseason, while fellow ex-Astros teammate and Scott Boras client Marwin Gonzalez sought a deal in the $60MM neighborhood, according to Buster Olney of ESPN.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/quick-hits-keuchel-marwin-padres-tribe-wilson-athletics.html

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on February 10, 2019, 07:56:25 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 10, 2019, 06:00:20 pm
Free-agent left-hander Dallas Keuchel asked for a six- to seven-year contract worth $25MM to $30MM per annum at the beginning of the offseason, while fellow ex-Astros teammate and Scott Boras client Marwin Gonzalez sought a deal in the $60MM neighborhood, according to Buster Olney of ESPN.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/quick-hits-keuchel-marwin-padres-tribe-wilson-athletics.html

I wonder if Luhnow is still laughing?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 10, 2019, 08:14:06 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on February 10, 2019, 07:56:25 pm
I wonder if Luhnow is still laughing?
I don’t know if it is the players, Boras or a little of both, but I find it kind of laughable that either thinks they are getting that kind of contract.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on February 11, 2019, 08:35:39 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 10, 2019, 08:14:06 pm
I don’t know if it is the players, Boras or a little of both, but I find it kind of laughable that either thinks they are getting that kind of contract.


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I think Altuve's contract extension last offseason can inform a lot of aspects of this offseason with Keuchel and Marwin.  Altuve was coming off an MVP season and World Series championship and had every monetary reason to wait and hit the free agent market.  I guarantee you Boras wasn't the one pushing Altuve to get his contract extension done.  Boras certainly is involved in setting the asking price pretty high for Keuchel and Marwin, but they would be signed by now if they wanted to be.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on February 11, 2019, 08:58:51 am
so what are they waiting for a last min. hail Mary?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 11, 2019, 04:12:02 pm
$60 million for Marwin. Holyfuckingshit. Crazy.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: hostros7 on February 11, 2019, 08:20:37 pm
Quote from: JimR on February 11, 2019, 04:12:02 pm
$60 million for Marwin. Holyfuckingshit. Crazy.

$175-200mm+ over 6-7 years for Dallas is holyfuckingshit-I’m-on-meth-and-carrying-an-alligator-into-a-convenience-store-in-Florida-to-buy-beer level of crazy.




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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 11, 2019, 08:22:25 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on February 11, 2019, 08:20:37 pm
$175-200mm+ over 6-7 years for Dallas is holyfuckingshit-I’m-on-meth-and-carrying-an-alligator-into-a-convenience-store-in-Florida-to-buy-beer level of crazy.




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HOF post
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on February 12, 2019, 12:04:27 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on February 11, 2019, 08:20:37 pm
$175-200mm+ over 6-7 years for Dallas is holyfuckingshit-I’m-on-meth-and-carrying-an-alligator-into-a-convenience-store-in-Florida-to-buy-beer level of crazy.




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Dear Lord. That made me spit diet cherry cola! Hilarious!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on February 12, 2019, 01:09:26 pm
If that's the rate, wonder what Harper and Machado are asking for?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Tom Servo on February 12, 2019, 01:59:32 pm
Meanwhile, JV is bitching on twitter:

Quote
100 or so free agents left unsigned.  System is broken. They blame “rebuilding” but that’s BS. You’re telling me you couldn’t sign Bryce or Manny for 10 years and go from there? Seems like a good place to start a rebuild to me.  26-36 is a great performance window too.

Sounds like someone is in the last year of a contract.


Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TeeJoe on February 12, 2019, 02:37:31 pm
Quote from: Tom Servo on February 12, 2019, 01:59:32 pm
Meanwhile, JV is bitching on twitter:

Sounds like someone is in the last year of a contract.

For Bryce, he was offered 10yrs/$300 Million from the Nationals back in Nov and again in Jan.

For Machado, it's reported that he was offered 8yrs/$250 Million.

That's a lot of money! To me at least, but I'm not making millions to play a game.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 12, 2019, 03:29:28 pm
Quote from: TeeJoe on February 12, 2019, 02:37:31 pm
That's a lot of money! To me at least, but I'm not making millions to play a game.

Or hundreds of millions in order to own a franchise that exists to play a game.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TeeJoe on February 12, 2019, 03:48:58 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 12, 2019, 03:29:28 pm
Or hundreds of millions in order to own a franchise that exists to play a game.
It'd be awesome if I could bring my family to a game.  Before we had kids my wife and I would go to the game together. It's not worth it for her she says.  Now, my son and I catch a game a year. My daughter has begun watching and wants to go. . .Gotta save for those type expenses!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on February 12, 2019, 05:32:51 pm
This stuff with late signing FA's, does make me think the system is broken or Team Boras is really team anti-christ.

Not that I am a homer for management, but the excesses of superstar contract negotiations and the stuff we have seen in the last 10 years is ass-puckering insane.

For Harper not to even consider above market annual offers on a shorter term deal misses where this sport is headed (imo). 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on February 12, 2019, 05:44:10 pm
Quote from: Sambito Redux on February 12, 2019, 05:32:51 pm
This stuff with late signing FA's, does make me think the system is broken or Team Boras is really team anti-christ.

Not that I am a homer for management, but the excesses of superstar contract negotiations and the stuff we have seen in the last 10 years is ass-puckering insane.

For Harper not to even consider above market annual offers on a shorter term deal misses where this sport is headed (imo).

What are the chances Harper and/or Machado don't play this year?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on February 12, 2019, 06:15:59 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on February 12, 2019, 05:44:10 pm
What are the chances Harper and/or Machado don't play this year?

Zero.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito Redux on February 12, 2019, 08:19:14 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on February 12, 2019, 05:44:10 pm
What are the chances Harper and/or Machado don't play this year?

Teddy KGB Theory of Negotiation

1. Twist some freaking oreos
2. Talk some ungodly amount of trash (stick it to you gyrations not included)
3. Pay the man his money

Skimp on the Grammar


One born every minute (yes San Diego I am talking to you).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 13, 2019, 07:56:19 am
It seems to me that there are more examples of teams trading fading/aging stars with a couple or three years left on their contracts and eating part of the remainder of what's owed, than there are examples of teams keeping a player for the duration of his contract. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that is one of the main reasons teams are hesitant to sign someone to a long term deal. Also Boras is trying to get Harper paid based on the results of one year, three years gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2019, 09:10:43 pm
Moose Tacos again has to settle for a 1-year contract as he re-signs with the Brewers...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitchers who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito on February 21, 2019, 09:00:24 am
Nate, any thoughts/predictions on our Outfield as ST begins and ends? 

Springer
Brantley
Reddick
Marisnick
Fisher
Tucker
Kemp
Straw

*** Seems like Fisher/Tucker/Straw are odd men out for Opening Day Roster?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 21, 2019, 09:44:53 am
Quote from: Sambito on February 21, 2019, 09:00:24 am
Nate, any thoughts/predictions on our Outfield as ST begins and ends? 

Springer
Brantley
Reddick
Marisnick
Fisher
Tucker
Kemp
Straw

*** Seems like Fisher/Tucker/Straw are odd men out for Opening Day Roster?

Those were pretty much a given with Kemp the one on the bubble. But Kaplan wrote an article in The Athletic the other day which suggested the Astros would carry only 12 pitchers which opens a spot for Kemp to make the roster with quotes from Luhnow:

 “In fact, (a roster with 13 position players is) probably more likely this year than it would have been last year.”

“We’re not going to make that decision until the very end,” Luhnow said. “But if I had to draw it up right now, that’s probably how I would draw it up because then we get to keep all of our players happy and productive and motivated.”

https://theathletic.com/824514/2019/02/18/houston-astros-spring-training-roster-tony-kemp-jake-marisnick/

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on February 21, 2019, 09:50:32 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 21, 2019, 09:44:53 am

 “In fact, (a roster with 13 position players is) probably more likely this year than it would have been last year.”

https://theathletic.com/824514/2019/02/18/houston-astros-spring-training-roster-tony-kemp-jake-marisnick/

Without having put a lot of thought into it, this seems counter-intuitive to me, what with more question marks in the rotation this year than last. All for it, though.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Sambito on February 21, 2019, 10:04:00 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 21, 2019, 09:44:53 am
Those were pretty much a given with Kemp the one on the bubble. But Kaplan wrote an article in The Athletic the other day which suggested the Astros would carry only 12 pitchers which opens a spot for Kemp to make the roster with quotes from Luhnow:

 “In fact, (a roster with 13 position players is) probably more likely this year than it would have been last year.”

“We’re not going to make that decision until the very end,” Luhnow said. “But if I had to draw it up right now, that’s probably how I would draw it up because then we get to keep all of our players happy and productive and motivated.”

https://theathletic.com/824514/2019/02/18/houston-astros-spring-training-roster-tony-kemp-jake-marisnick/

Thanks Nate.   Makes sense from J Luhnow --- there will be injuries, disabled list surprises, and player evaluations (keep/ship out) for the next 6-8 weeks. 

Keep the coffers full and be ready to move quickly if we need to.   If there are a few things our rosters screams out under Jeff Luhnow:

1.  Flexibility
2.  Mobility in the Market Place
3.  Maximizing young assets

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on February 21, 2019, 11:28:53 am
Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on February 21, 2019, 09:50:32 am
Without having put a lot of thought into it, this seems counter-intuitive to me, what with more question marks in the rotation this year than last. All for it, though.

One of the things in the Athletic article is that our April schedule is "easy" from a days-off perspective.  They don't have to play 7 consecutive games w/o a day off until late April/early May.  So the rotation will get lots of rest early on.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on February 21, 2019, 12:27:56 pm
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on February 21, 2019, 11:28:53 am
One of the things in the Athletic article is that our April schedule is "easy" from a days-off perspective.  They don't have to play 7 consecutive games w/o a day off until late April/early May.  So the rotation will get lots of rest early on.

Makes sense, thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on February 21, 2019, 12:50:30 pm
Quote from: Sambito on February 21, 2019, 10:04:00 am
Makes sense from J Luhnow --- there will be injuries, disabled list surprises, and player evaluations (keep/ship out) for the next 6-8 weeks. 

Also could be a public statement to try and improve trade value, should the Astros want to move one of their outfielders -- "Hey, we don't HAVE to trade anyone -- we could keep them on the roster."
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 11:50:07 am
Marwin to Minnesota. 2 years, $21 million.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on February 22, 2019, 12:02:00 pm
Quote from: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 11:50:07 am
Marwin to Minnesota. 2 years, $21 million.

Wow.  Nice deal for Minnesota.  I'm surprised he didn't find better but maybe (like others) he overplayed his hand early and by the time he was willing to get real about a deal, possible suitors early moved to plan B and were no longer viable destinations.  Side note:  Just think how cheap the deal might have been had draft compensation been attached to him.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on February 22, 2019, 12:13:57 pm
Quote from: jaklewein on February 22, 2019, 12:02:00 pm
Wow.  Nice deal for Minnesota.  I'm surprised he didn't find better but maybe (like others) he overplayed his hand early and by the time he was willing to get real about a deal, possible suitors early moved to plan B and were no longer viable destinations.  Side note:  Just think how cheap the deal might have been had draft compensation been attached to him.

The price seems pretty fair to me. The average per year I mean. Two years is pretty unusual though on a guy this young. Why do you think he deserves better?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fynn on February 22, 2019, 12:15:37 pm
Quote from: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 11:50:07 am
Marwin to Minnesota. 2 years, $21 million.

Anyone have a clue if he will platoon or have an assigned position?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on February 22, 2019, 12:18:48 pm
Maybe he wants a couple of years to show that 2017 Marwin wasn't a fluke.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: hostros7 on February 22, 2019, 12:27:32 pm
Let’s hope our new pseudo-Marwin can play.


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Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on February 22, 2019, 12:53:58 pm
Maybe my all time favorite Astro. Going to be watching a lot of Twins games this year to follow Marwin and Willans.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 22, 2019, 01:18:29 pm
Quote from: jaklewein on February 22, 2019, 12:02:00 pm
Wow.  Nice deal for Minnesota.  I'm surprised he didn't find better but maybe (like others) he overplayed his hand early and by the time he was willing to get real about a deal, possible suitors early moved to plan B and were no longer viable destinations.  Side note:  Just think how cheap the deal might have been had draft compensation been attached to him.
I really like what the Twins are doing. If Pineda is able to come back and give them decent innings out of the rotation, I think they can battle Cleveland right to the wire.

More pitching for them wouldn’t hurt. Have been rumored to be in on Kimbrell if he takes a pillow deal. Keuchel would be interesting there. That division can be had if Minnesota will spend just a little bit of money.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on February 22, 2019, 01:19:42 pm
Quote from: Fynn on February 22, 2019, 12:15:37 pm
Anyone have a clue if he will platoon or have an assigned position?
Most of what I’ve heard/read so far is that he will have the same daily utility role he had with Houston.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: jaklewein on February 22, 2019, 12:02:00 pm
I'm surprised he didn't find better but maybe (like others) he overplayed his hand early and by the time he was willing to get real about a deal, possible suitors early moved to plan B and were no longer viable destinations.

Either that or all the teams secretly agreed to avoid competitive bidding for free agents.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:31:43 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on February 22, 2019, 01:19:42 pm
Most of what I’ve heard/read so far is that he will have the same daily utility role he had with Houston.


I had no idea that Rocco Baldelli is the Twins manager.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jose Cruz III on February 22, 2019, 01:39:08 pm
Quote from: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 11:50:07 am
Marwin to Minnesota. 2 years, $21 million.
Gonna miss Marwin. He's the guy that no matter who needs a day off you aren't a man down.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 22, 2019, 01:42:38 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:30:41 pm
Either that or all the teams secretly agreed to avoid competitive bidding for free agents.

No way. There are no secrets in a deposition.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:48:10 pm
Quote from: JimR on February 22, 2019, 01:42:38 pm
No way. There are no secrets in a deposition.

I don't expect there to be an express agreement, but if there were one--or even a tacit agreement--I think its outward manifestation would look an awful lot like the past two off-seasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on February 22, 2019, 02:02:29 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:30:41 pm
Either that or all the teams secretly agreed to avoid competitive bidding for free agents.

NO COLLUSION!!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 03:06:53 pm
I'd be surprised if the owners are pulling a repeat of the 1980s. Collusion isn't necessary to explain the current market. The terms of the CBA incentivize against spending for big- and small-market teams alike. The luxury tax suppresses payrolls on the high end, while revenue sharing (plus long-term TV deals and BAMtech sale proceeds) guarantees even shitty teams are profitable—so why throw money down the drain on free agents?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 22, 2019, 07:14:01 pm
No one is gonna miss Marwin more than me.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on February 22, 2019, 07:17:58 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:48:10 pm
I don't expect there to be an express agreement, but if there were one--or even a tacit agreement--I think its outward manifestation would look an awful lot like the past two off-seasons.

Possibly, but I think that most/all of the front offices have finally gotten smart enough to realize that there are other ways to spend that money and get the same marginal increase in wins, and those other ways don't leave you hamstrung in the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 22, 2019, 07:30:39 pm
Quote from: austro on February 22, 2019, 07:17:58 pm
Possibly, but I think that most/all of the front offices have finally gotten smart enough to realize that there are other ways to spend that money and get the same marginal increase in wins, and those other ways don't leave you hamstrung in the future.
How many people want to avoid the next Jacoby Ellsbury contract? Carl Crawford. James Shields. Homer Bailey. Albert Pujols... the list goes on and on. The risk/reward model has just changed.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on February 22, 2019, 07:34:15 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 22, 2019, 07:30:39 pm
How many people want to avoid the next Jacoby Ellsbury contract? Carl Crawford. James Shields. Homer Bailey. Albert Pujols... the list goes on and on. The risk/reward model has just changed.

I don't even think the risk/reward model has changed. They have just started to realize what it actually is.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 22, 2019, 07:59:27 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:48:10 pm
I don't expect there to be an express agreement, but if there were one--or even a tacit agreement--I think its outward manifestation would look an awful lot like the past two off-seasons.

Come on. Owners finally wised up. Players apparently think they are entitled to make what they want to make and to dictate contract terms.  No.

Wonder what we offered Marwin.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on February 22, 2019, 08:24:35 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:48:10 pm
I don't expect there to be an express agreement, but if there were one--or even a tacit agreement--I think its outward manifestation would look an awful lot like the past two off-seasons.

Groupthink is different than collusion.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on February 23, 2019, 09:43:55 am
Quote from: Bench on February 22, 2019, 01:48:10 pm
I don't expect there to be an express agreement, but if there were one--or even a tacit agreement--I think its outward manifestation would look an awful lot like the past two off-seasons.

What else would look an awful like the last two season is the free market at work.  Maybe this is simply what the market will pay.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on February 23, 2019, 09:51:38 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on February 23, 2019, 09:43:55 am
What else would look an awful like the last two season is the free market at work.  Maybe this is simply what the market will pay.

Everybody loves the free market until it's their ox getting gored.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on February 23, 2019, 10:56:46 am
Quote from: moriartp on February 22, 2019, 11:50:07 am
Marwin to Minnesota. 2 years, $21 million.

Mmmm, free beer.  Though I’d gladly trade it for Marwin being back, especially at the price the Twins got.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 23, 2019, 12:08:56 pm
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on February 23, 2019, 10:56:46 am
Mmmm, free beer.  Though I’d gladly trade it for Marwin being back, especially at the price the Twins got.
I hope he becomes the King of Minnesota.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on February 23, 2019, 01:47:24 pm
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on February 23, 2019, 10:56:46 am
Mmmm, free beer.  Though I’d gladly trade it for Marwin being back, especially at the price the Twins got.

Really?  $10.5M per?  He was in integral part of very good teams but, in your estimation, is he really worth 6.5% of the payroll, especially with the extensions they are working on with Verlander and Cole?  To me, the Diaz signing looks better and better, even if he only performs at 70-80% of the capacity of Gonzalez.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on February 23, 2019, 04:26:04 pm
For2 years?  Yes, 4 no
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on February 24, 2019, 08:55:47 am
Quote from: das on February 23, 2019, 01:47:24 pm
Really?  $10.5M per?  He was in integral part of very good teams but, in your estimation, is he really worth 6.5% of the payroll, especially with the extensions they are working on with Verlander and Cole?  To me, the Diaz signing looks better and better, even if he only performs at 70-80% of the capacity of Gonzalez.

Agree
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on February 25, 2019, 09:44:40 am
Quote from: das on February 23, 2019, 01:47:24 pm
Really?  $10.5M per?  He was in integral part of very good teams but, in your estimation, is he really worth 6.5% of the payroll, especially with the extensions they are working on with Verlander and Cole?  To me, the Diaz signing looks better and better, even if he only performs at 70-80% of the capacity of Gonzalez.

I won't argue what he is worth, only Management knows what they feel he is worth.  I will only say this:  Had Marwin asked the Astros to agree to this deal in early November, he might still be an Astro today.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BlownRanger on February 25, 2019, 10:50:10 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on February 23, 2019, 09:43:55 am
What else would look an awful like the last two season is the free market at work.  Maybe this is simply what the market will pay.

Steve Phillips might have been a shitty GM, but I completely agree with his simplistic take on Free Agency:  "The owners were doing stupid things.  The owners have quit doing stupid things.  The players demand that the owners continue to do stupid things".

Note:  It's because of Phillips that the Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla, so he has some experience with stupid things.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 25, 2019, 10:57:45 am
Quote from: BlownRanger on February 25, 2019, 10:50:10 am
Steve Phillips might have been a shitty GM, but I completely agree with his simplistic take on Free Agency:  "The owners were doing stupid things.  The owners have quit doing stupid things.  The players demand that the owners continue to do stupid things".

And the players stupidly bargained themselves into a position that relied on the owners doing stupid things. They'll try like hell to correct that mistake next time. Odds of a stoppage are very high.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 25, 2019, 11:00:32 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on February 23, 2019, 09:43:55 am
What else would look an awful like the last two season is the free market at work.  Maybe this is simply what the market will pay.

The problem is that it's not a free market when most of the players are under club control. I agree with MM that most likely every front office arrived at the same conclusion, but systemic issues regarding how player mobility is tightly restricted at the early (and usually most productive) stage of a player's career are why everyone arrived at the same conclusion. The problem isn't going to go away, and a work stoppage seems pretty likely if the equities don't get balanced out before the expiration of the current CBA.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on February 25, 2019, 11:07:21 am
Quote from: Bench on February 25, 2019, 11:00:32 am
The problem is that it's not a free market when most of the players are under club control. I agree with MM that most likely every front office arrived at the same conclusion, but systemic issues regarding how player mobility is tightly restricted at the early (and usually most productive) stage of a player's career are why everyone arrived at the same conclusion. The problem isn't going to go away, and a work stoppage seems pretty likely if the equities don't get balanced out before the expiration of the current CBA.

Bingo. "Free market" is a bad description of a 30-member cartel with antitrust protections purchasing organized labor under collectively bargained rules that limit spending on the high end, require spending on the low end, redistribute wealth from richer organizations to less-rich organizations, restrict new entrants into the labor pool, restrict labor from moving from one employer to another, etc, etc, etc. But it is a market, and teams are following their incentives within that market.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on February 26, 2019, 09:50:55 pm
The players do not give one shit about the other players until those players hit FA age.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Duman on February 27, 2019, 08:10:19 am
I understand the players are upset about the discontinuation of crazy 10 year deals but the CBA hasn't been all bad for them. 
in 2011, average MLB salary was 3.095 million.  Last year, that number was 4.52 million.  That is 46% increase. 

At the same time, arbitration numbers have go up significantly.  In 2011, there were only 2 players who had arbitration numbers greater than 7.5 million.  This year, there were 24 who had more than 7.5 million.  In fact, there were 13 who got more than 10 million. 

The system is shifting.  Young players are getting their money sooner.  That means players who were expecting the big payday at free agency right now are caught in the transition.  It may not be fair but it is what happens to people in other lines of work every day in places all over this country. Things change and someone gets screwed.  That is what my father in law would call life.   
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on February 27, 2019, 09:20:07 am
Quote from: Duman on February 27, 2019, 08:10:19 am
I understand the players are upset about the discontinuation of crazy 10 year deals but the CBA hasn't been all bad for them. 
in 2011, average MLB salary was 3.095 million.  Last year, that number was 4.52 million.  That is 46% increase. 

At the same time, arbitration numbers have go up significantly.  In 2011, there were only 2 players who had arbitration numbers greater than 7.5 million.  This year, there were 24 who had more than 7.5 million.  In fact, there were 13 who got more than 10 million. 

The system is shifting.  Young players are getting their money sooner.  That means players who were expecting the big payday at free agency right now are caught in the transition.  It may not be fair but it is what happens to people in other lines of work every day in places all over this country. Things change and someone gets screwed.  That is what my father in law would call life.

It's hard to look at a player turning down $300MM and say "yeah dude, you're getting screwed by life".  Free market or not, the system has hit a top end. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 27, 2019, 10:21:52 am
Quote from: Duman on February 27, 2019, 08:10:19 am
I understand the players are upset about the discontinuation of crazy 10 year deals but the CBA hasn't been all bad for them. 
in 2011, average MLB salary was 3.095 million.  Last year, that number was 4.52 million.  That is 46% increase. 


At the same time, MLB revenue increased from $6.36 billion in 2011 to $10.3 billion last year. A 62% increase.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 27, 2019, 11:55:51 am
Quote from: Bench on February 27, 2019, 10:21:52 am
At the same time, MLB revenue increased from $6.36 billion in 2011 to $10.3 billion last year. A 62% increase.
I'm now wondering what has been the increase in profit from said revenue. Any info on that, anyone?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: subnuclear on February 27, 2019, 12:42:33 pm
Probably have to open the books to get that info, but the Marlins sold for $1.2 billion which is almost twice what the Astros sold for 2011.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 27, 2019, 02:15:13 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on February 27, 2019, 11:55:51 am
I'm now wondering what has been the increase in profit from said revenue. Any info on that, anyone?

I think largely TV revenue.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 27, 2019, 02:32:04 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 21, 2019, 09:44:53 am
Those were pretty much a given with Kemp the one on the bubble. But Kaplan wrote an article in The Athletic the other day which suggested the Astros would carry only 12 pitchers which opens a spot for Kemp to make the roster with quotes from Luhnow:

 “In fact, (a roster with 13 position players is) probably more likely this year than it would have been last year.”

“We’re not going to make that decision until the very end,” Luhnow said. “But if I had to draw it up right now, that’s probably how I would draw it up because then we get to keep all of our players happy and productive and motivated.”

https://theathletic.com/824514/2019/02/18/houston-astros-spring-training-roster-tony-kemp-jake-marisnick/

McTaggart, quoting Hinch, also makes the case for Kemp making the opening day roster under this scenario.

https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/hinch-expects-12-pitchers-on-roster
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on February 27, 2019, 02:34:29 pm
Weren't they planning on going to 26 man rosters?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on February 27, 2019, 02:36:15 pm
Quote from: jbm on February 27, 2019, 02:34:29 pm
Weren't they planning on going to 26 man rosters?

They were planning on considering it.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on February 27, 2019, 02:53:29 pm
Quote from: Bench on February 27, 2019, 02:36:15 pm
They were planning on considering it.


They're going to authorize exploring a committee to evaluate potentially recommending considerations.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on February 27, 2019, 06:54:10 pm
Quote from: HudsonHawk on February 27, 2019, 02:53:29 pm
They're going to authorize exploring a committee to evaluate potentially recommending considerations.

According to your sister's friend's brother.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 02, 2019, 08:42:31 am
Salvador Perez likely headed to TJS.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on March 02, 2019, 10:00:44 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 02, 2019, 08:42:31 am
Salvador Perez likely headed to TJS.

Seems like a problem for a catcher.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 02, 2019, 11:27:31 am
Quote from: MusicMan on March 02, 2019, 10:00:44 am
Seems like a problem for a catcher.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on March 02, 2019, 11:29:47 am
Quote from: juliogotay on March 02, 2019, 11:27:31 am
Or a peanut vendor at the ballpark.

Peanut vendor can play left-handed. Bagwell can teach him.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on March 02, 2019, 11:45:28 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 02, 2019, 08:42:31 am
Salvador Perez likely headed to TJS.

Martin Maldonado casually strolls by Royals camp, whistling and whistling at a continuously increasing volume.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 03, 2019, 03:13:14 pm
Just cleaning up/updating...

TRADE POSSIBILITIES

(years of control/2019 salary)

Pitchers

Catchers

1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)

REMAINING FREE AGENTS

Heyman's expert vs Heyman vs MLBTR vs Bowden vs Davidoff (length of contract@$AAV):

Pitchers
Catchers
1B/DH and/or LF (mostly)
Multi-Position

Bold=QO of 17.9 is in place

*Lefty hitter
**Switch-hitter

Spin rate list = out of the 228 pitchers who show up on this Statcast search screen (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=FF%7CCU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2018%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfInfield=&team=&position=&hfOutfield=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&hfPull=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=1000&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_pas=50#results)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 03, 2019, 03:50:53 pm
I wouldn’t disagree if we moved some of this outfield depth and say, Brady Rogers, to the Blue Jays for Stroman or to the Mets for Lugo.

I also think taking a flyer on Gio Gonzalez wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2019, 09:00:34 am
Say hello to minor league camp: Brady Rodgers, Erasmo Pinales, Jose Hernandez, Ryan Hartman and Lorenzo Quintana.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 06, 2019, 09:14:15 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2019, 09:00:34 am
Say hello to minor league camp: Brady Rodgers, Erasmo Pinales, Jose Hernandez, Ryan Hartman and Lorenzo Quintana.
 
I have to think Rodgers is about out of chances in Houston.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on March 06, 2019, 10:33:01 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 03, 2019, 03:50:53 pm
I wouldn’t disagree if we moved some of this outfield depth and say, Brady Rogers, to the Blue Jays for Stroman or to the Mets for Lugo.

I also think taking a flyer on Gio Gonzalez wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.


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They’re not getting Stroman without giving up at least a Bukauskas or Alvarez, unless Luhnow pulls off some magic Gerrit Cole-type shit.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 07, 2019, 08:59:32 am
Quote from: juliogotay on March 06, 2019, 09:14:15 am
 
I have to think Rodgers is about out of chances in Houston.

Damn him for getting hurt.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 09:51:08 am
Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 1m ago
Astros have had recent dialogue with Dallas Keuchel about a possible deal, but as of last night, not close to a deal.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 07, 2019, 11:04:28 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 09:51:08 am
Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 1m ago
Astros have had recent dialogue with Dallas Keuchel about a possible deal, but as of last night, not close to a deal.
I’m not real sure how to feel about this development. While I’m not sad at all to potentially see him sign with another team, I’ll admit that we might could use him right now. The problem is, I don’t think he’s worth anything more than the QO and honestly, I’m not sure he’s worth that. Add to that the fact that he’s reporting late, which history says is a perfect recipe for a disaster. Do we really want to go down this road??? If we do, we seriously limit our trade deadline flexibility.

They just said on MLB Radio that his market is “picking up” and he could be signed soon. To me, that means multiple teams competing which should help Keuchel get a slightly higher AAV. In my mind, that tends to eliminate us.....unless Crane has had a change of heart on the dollars.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on March 07, 2019, 12:25:06 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 07, 2019, 11:04:28 am
The problem is, I don’t think he’s worth anything more than the QO and honestly, I’m not sure he’s worth that. Add to that the fact that he’s reporting late, which history says is a perfect recipe for a disaster. Do we really want to go down this road??? If we do, we seriously limit our trade deadline flexibility.

Agreed, I'd rather get the draft pick compensation and save the money for a deadline deal.  In addition, if the Astros are going to spend money on a starter, I'd rather that money go to resigning Cole and/or Verlander.

All that being said, I'd sign Gio right now.  I like Peacock in the rotation, but I'm concerned that taking both Peacock and McHugh out of the bullpen is going to hurt the bullpen too much.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 07, 2019, 01:58:05 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on March 07, 2019, 12:25:06 pm
Agreed, I'd rather get the draft pick compensation and save the money for a deadline deal.  In addition, if the Astros are going to spend money on a starter, I'd rather that money go to resigning Cole and/or Verlander.

All that being said, I'd sign Gio right now.  I like Peacock in the rotation, but I'm concerned that taking both Peacock and McHugh out of the bullpen is going to hurt the bullpen too much.
I agree Todd. I like the idea of Peacock in the bullpen.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 04:39:32 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 09:51:08 am
Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 1m ago
Astros have had recent dialogue with Dallas Keuchel about a possible deal, but as of last night, not close to a deal.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1 hour ago
#Astros have made both one- and two-year offers to free-agent left-hander Dallas Keuchel, sources tell The Athletic. Offers not in range Keuchel is seeking. Desired terms not known.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 07, 2019, 05:11:19 pm
I don't think Dallas really wants to be an Astro. He wanted to be a free agent so bad he turned down a better offer from the Astros then he is going to get on the FA market. Then he passed on the QO. And now late into ST according to Ken and Buster, he is refusing a one and a two year offer.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on March 07, 2019, 05:25:30 pm
Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 07, 2019, 05:11:19 pm
I don't think Dallas really wants to be an Astro. He wanted to be a free agent so bad he turned down a better offer from the Astros then he is going to get on the FA market. Then he passed on the QO. And now late into ST according to Ken and Buster, he is refusing a one and a two year offer.

I'm not sure about that. I think he just expected to get the type of deal he would have gotten four years ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 05:43:36 pm
I think he's still pissed because the Astros killed Keuchel's Korner.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on March 07, 2019, 06:38:39 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 05:43:36 pm
I think he's still pissed because the Astros killed Keuchel's Korner.
The Royals should try to lure him with visions of Keuchel’s Kooky Kansas City Kabob Korner.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on March 07, 2019, 09:55:37 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2019, 05:43:36 pm
I think he's still pissed because the Astros killed Keuchel's Korner.

Like, killed every fan there? I would have expected that to be bigger news.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on March 07, 2019, 09:56:36 pm
Quote from: Reuben on March 07, 2019, 06:38:39 pm
The Royals should try to lure him with visions of Keuchel’s Kooky Kansas City Kabob Korner.

Some dumbass would probably try Keuchel’s Kansas Korner.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 07, 2019, 10:58:31 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on March 07, 2019, 09:56:36 pm
Some dumbass would probably try Keuchel’s Kansas Korner.


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Chicago Cubs offer: "Keuchel's Krazy Korner of Korn-nuts"
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 08, 2019, 05:39:28 am
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 07, 2019, 10:58:31 pm
Chicago Cubs offer: "Keuchel's Krazy Korner of Korn-nuts"
Or maybe Keuchel's Kubs Korner.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on March 08, 2019, 12:42:17 pm
I just don't understand his need for free agency and not being an Astro
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on March 08, 2019, 02:37:09 pm
Quote from: Fredia on March 08, 2019, 12:42:17 pm
I just don't understand his need for free agency and not being an Astro

Here you go.  These should help:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3389792/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2717041/

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on March 09, 2019, 08:58:21 am
ty for the lamp light
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on March 09, 2019, 12:36:56 pm
Maldonado to KC, 1-yr, 2.5M, with another 1.5 in incentives.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 09, 2019, 12:56:56 pm
Quote from: Lefty on March 09, 2019, 12:36:56 pm
Maldonado to KC, 1-yr, 2.5M, with another 1.5 in incentives.

Wow. How Scott Boras Lost Me Nearly $10MM in a Matter of Months.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: austro on March 09, 2019, 01:15:25 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 09, 2019, 12:56:56 pm
Wow. How Scott Boras Lost Me Nearly $10MM in a Matter of Months.

No shit. A team that was over a barrel still didn't come close to what they were apparently asking. Keuchel must be pretty concerned at this point.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: das on March 09, 2019, 07:56:17 pm
Quote from: Lefty on March 09, 2019, 12:36:56 pm
Maldonado to KC, 1-yr, 2.5M, with another 1.5 in incentives.

What are these good but not great players thinking?  Don’t they see that teams have learned to properly curate a pipeline of effective, cheaper talent that have a much higher value proposition and typically a greater potential upside?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2019, 05:33:02 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2019, 09:00:34 am
Say hello to minor league camp: Brady Rodgers, Erasmo Pinales, Jose Hernandez, Ryan Hartman and Lorenzo Quintana.

Round #2 (ICYMI from yesterday): Pitchers Bryan Abreu and Akeem Bostick, catchers Garrett Stubbs and Chuckie Robinson, infielders Taylor Jones and Josh Rojas and outfielder Ronnie Dawson.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2019, 05:52:33 am
Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 13h ago
Hinch was very complimentary today of LHP Reymin Guduan, saying he was "97 and nasty." He's in the mix for last bullpen spot.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Waldo on March 10, 2019, 08:37:34 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2019, 05:52:33 am
Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 13h ago
Hinch was very complimentary today of LHP Reymin Guduan, saying he was "97 and nasty." He's in the mix for last bullpen spot.

For anyone thinking about bringing back the cheese jokes, we pretty much covered them all a while back (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=119273.msg574910#msg574910).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 11, 2019, 09:43:34 pm
Quote from: Waldo on March 10, 2019, 08:37:34 am
For anyone thinking about bringing back the cheese jokes, we pretty much covered them all a while back (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=119273.msg574910#msg574910).

 l laughed all over again at some of that stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: chuck on March 11, 2019, 10:05:33 pm
GOAT thread.

Of course, if this group is given half a chance at a pun thread you can consider it a feta compli.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 11, 2019, 10:12:44 pm
Quote from: chuck on March 11, 2019, 10:05:33 pm
GOAT thread.

Of course, if this group is given half a chance at a pun thread you can consider it a feta compli.

Nominated
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 07:03:14 am
Quote from: chuck on March 11, 2019, 10:05:33 pm
GOAT thread.

Of course, if this group is given half a chance at a pun thread you can consider it a feta compli.

It may be the GOAT cheese thread, but my favorite is still the one where we all learned we were all slowly turning into oil.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on March 12, 2019, 09:13:43 am
Quote from: Waldo on March 10, 2019, 08:37:34 am
For anyone thinking about bringing back the cheese jokes, we pretty much covered them all a while back (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=119273.msg574910#msg574910).

This one (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=103652.msg157369#msg157369) was pretty good from 12 years ago...
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 12, 2019, 09:51:22 am
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on March 12, 2019, 09:13:43 am
This one (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=103652.msg157369#msg157369) was pretty good from 12 years ago...

Indeed. I miss Yboddeus. The Ron Villone reference was killa!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on March 12, 2019, 01:34:16 pm
Today's cuts: Tucker, Armenteros, Whitley, Martin, Bukauskas, Bielak, DeGoti.


Anyone know how long would Tucker have to spend in the minors for the team to recoup that extra year of control?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 01:57:33 pm
Quote from: moriartp on March 12, 2019, 01:34:16 pm
Today's cuts: Tucker, Armenteros, Whitley, Martin, Bukauskas, Bielak, DeGoti.


Anyone know how long would Tucker have to spend in the minors for the team to recoup that extra year of control?

He has 51 days of service time now.  If he spent the entire 2019 season on the Major League roster, he'd be a free agent in 2025.  To push that back to 2026, he'd have to spend roughly 140 days in the minors this year.  Most of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Fredia on March 12, 2019, 02:10:26 pm
a real balancing act.. guess it really depends on how the team shapes up later down the road
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 02:19:45 pm
Quote from: Fredia on March 12, 2019, 02:10:26 pm
a real balancing act.. guess it really depends on how the team shapes up later down the road

Bottom line is, they used last year to push Tucker's control back a year.  They'd pretty much have to keep him on the farm all year to add another year to that.  Why would you do that if you think he could help, and if you think he can't, you really start to wonder if you care about losing him or not.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on March 12, 2019, 02:53:31 pm
Tucker hasn't looked particularly good at the plate this spring.  I'm glad he got a big double yesterday, but even that looked more like a defensive misplay.  Frankly, Alvarez looks a lot better than Tucker. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2019, 03:48:24 pm
Tucker is good insurance for a Josh Reddick injury or lack of performance in 2019. That's good insurance to have too. Who has impressed me most is Nick Tanielu, the New Zealander.  He's been quite steady on defense at third and has hit well from the right side. I'd personally rate him as higher in the pecking order than Tyler White right now, but I'm not the judge of anything, so it means nothing what I think.

But if you think about Tanielu as insurance, it's good to know he can be in the same role as White in 2018. In the minors ready to come up when injury or lack of performance is keeping the team from winning. Another player who early on impressed me was Abraham Toro. His ability to hit with power from both sides is there, just needs to be more consistent. If Toro continues to improve in the minors, he can eventually be the heir apparent to Marwin Gonzales on this team. Here is hoping his switch goes off in the minors as he continues to get the experience.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BizidyDizidy on March 12, 2019, 04:23:21 pm
Martes gets 80 games for PEDs...
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on March 12, 2019, 04:31:57 pm
Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 01:57:33 pm
He has 51 days of service time now.  If he spent the entire 2019 season on the Major League roster, he'd be a free agent in 2025.  To push that back to 2026, he'd have to spend roughly 140 days in the minors this year.  Most of it.

Thanks for the math. Sounds like it almost certainly won’t be a factor in their roster decisions.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 12, 2019, 04:53:33 pm
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on March 12, 2019, 04:23:21 pm
Martes gets 80 games for PEDs...
Yeah, just saw the report. What a freaking joke.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 12, 2019, 05:14:13 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 12, 2019, 03:48:24 pm
Tucker is good insurance for a Josh Reddick injury or lack of performance in 2019. That's good insurance to have too. Who has impressed me most is Nick Tanielu, the New Zealander.  He's been quite steady on defense at third and has hit well from the right side. I'd personally rate him as higher in the pecking order than Tyler White right now, but I'm not the judge of anything, so it means nothing what I think.

But if you think about Tanielu as insurance, it's good to know he can be in the same role as White in 2018. In the minors ready to come up when injury or lack of performance is keeping the team from winning. Another player who early on impressed me was Abraham Toro. His ability to hit with power from both sides is there, just needs to be more consistent. If Toro continues to improve in the minors, he can eventually be the heir apparent to Marwin Gonzales on this team. Here is hoping his switch goes off in the minors as he continues to get the experience.

Toro looks really good to me also. Switch-hitter too, I think.

I like Alvarez a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on March 12, 2019, 05:17:17 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 12, 2019, 04:53:33 pm
Yeah, just saw the report. What a freaking joke.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What's the joke?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2019, 05:36:16 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 12, 2019, 03:48:24 pm
Tucker is good insurance for a Josh Reddick injury or lack of performance in 2019. That's good insurance to have too. Who has impressed me most is Nick Tanielu, the New Zealander.  He's been quite steady on defense at third and has hit well from the right side. I'd personally rate him as higher in the pecking order than Tyler White right now, but I'm not the judge of anything, so it means nothing what I think.

But if you think about Tanielu as insurance, it's good to know he can be in the same role as White in 2018. In the minors ready to come up when injury or lack of performance is keeping the team from winning. Another player who early on impressed me was Abraham Toro. His ability to hit with power from both sides is there, just needs to be more consistent. If Toro continues to improve in the minors, he can eventually be the heir apparent to Marwin Gonzales on this team. Here is hoping his switch goes off in the minors as he continues to get the experience.

As I understand it, Tanielu's dad was born in Samoa so let's call him of Samoan descent (unless you want to go down the ethnological rabbit hole of examining the ties between Samoans and Maoris). Tanielu's only personal ties to New Zealand were having played for the Auckland team in the ABL this winter.

I like both Toro and Tanielu but as far as an heir apparent to Marwin if you mean ability to play multiple positions, I think that's probably Tanielu rather than Toro. Toro to me looks more like a 1B/3B type while Tanielu perhaps could play 4 positions (2B, 1B, LF, maybe 3B).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2019, 05:38:01 pm
Quote from: JimR on March 12, 2019, 05:14:13 pm
Toro looks really good to me also. Switch-hitter too, I think.

I like Alvarez a lot.

Absolutely on Alvarez. I wish he was in the mix for the DH spot on the roster but looks like they want to use him at left field a lot in the minors to get his reps in learning how to be instinctive at that position. Left field at Minute Maid is unique so just knowing how to play left field needs to help him. Also, I think there has been some talk about his being given time at first base too.

Toro is a switch hitter and I like his make-up. Just a tad more contact ability and selectivity and he's a find! He looks solid to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2019, 05:41:21 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2019, 05:36:16 pm
As I understand it, Tanielu's dad was born in Samoa so let's call him of Samoan descent (unless you want to go down the ethnological rabbit hole of examining the ties between Samoans and Maoris). Tanielu's only personal ties to New Zealand were having played for the Auckland team in the ABL this winter.

I like both Toro and Tanielu but as far as an heir apparent to Marwin if you mean ability to play multiple positions, I think that's probably Tanielu rather than Toro. Toro to me looks more like a 1B/3B type while Tanielu perhaps could play 4 positions (2B, 1B, LF, maybe 3B).

Thanks for the pick-me-up. Yes on Tanielu being much more versatile on defense. All the more reason I'd personally have him higher on making the final 25 than I would Tyler White. Toro needs just more seasoning to be more consistent, but as you mentioned, he's limited like White, to two infield position at this time. But I like the prospect of his bat from both sides providing solid power contact in the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 12, 2019, 09:45:23 pm
Quote from: JimR on March 12, 2019, 05:14:13 pm
Toro looks really good to me also. Switch-hitter too, I think.

I like Alvarez a lot.

Toro is a guy I've been keeping an eye on since he was drafted. I have a good feeling about him. Tanielu is a guy that never makes the "lists"....he just hits.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 12, 2019, 10:29:57 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2019, 05:36:16 pm
As I understand it, Tanielu's dad was born in Samoa so let's call him of Samoan descent (unless you want to go down the ethnological rabbit hole of examining the ties between Samoans and Maoris). Tanielu's only personal ties to New Zealand were having played for the Auckland team in the ABL this winter.

I like both Toro and Tanielu but as far as an heir apparent to Marwin if you mean ability to play multiple positions, I think that's probably Tanielu rather than Toro. Toro to me looks more like a 1B/3B type while Tanielu perhaps could play 4 positions (2B, 1B, LF, maybe 3B).
I agree (mostly). Toro has been at 3B exclusively after giving up at C. Corner infield is his role. Tanielu has played a lot of 3B & 2B with some 1B & OF. Definitely more Marwinesque.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 12, 2019, 10:32:33 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 12, 2019, 05:41:21 pm
Thanks for the pick-me-up. Yes on Tanielu being much more versatile on defense. All the more reason I'd personally have him higher on making the final 25 than I would Tyler White. Toro needs just more seasoning to be more consistent, but as you mentioned, he's limited like White, to two infield position at this time. But I like the prospect of his bat from both sides providing solid power contact in the future.
Umm you know that White has played all 4 infield positions with some regularity, right? And even a surprising amount at SS.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2019, 10:56:55 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 12, 2019, 10:29:57 pm
Toro has been at 3B exclusively...

He's already played nearly 10 innings at 1B in games this spring.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2019, 11:16:26 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 12, 2019, 10:32:33 pm
Umm you know that White has played all 4 infield positions with some regularity, right? And even a surprising amount at SS.

White may have played all four infield positions but at his current weight and playing style, he's lucky to play the corner infields adeptly. Not that he can't lose a few lbs and get himself into a four infield position shape, but that would take a little bit of time. I don't really consider White anything other than a DH and corner man and with that, mostly a 1st baseman at this point of his career.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on March 13, 2019, 03:15:29 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 07:03:14 am
It may be the GOAT cheese thread, but my favorite is still the one where we all learned we were all slowly turning into oil.
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The goddamn dinosaurs ain't got nothing to do with it
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 13, 2019, 05:25:51 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 12, 2019, 07:03:14 am
It may be the GOAT cheese thread, but my favorite is still the one where we all learned we were all slowly turning into oil.

My all-time favorite is the Roy’s Restaurant thread. Footer even surfaced to post about that one.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 13, 2019, 07:12:48 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 12, 2019, 10:32:33 pm
Umm you know that White has played all 4 infield positions with some regularity, right? And even a surprising amount at SS.

White is in no way, shape, or form a Major League SS or 2B.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 07:26:17 am
Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 13, 2019, 07:12:48 am
White is in no way, shape, or form a Major League SS or 2B.
I agree. But he gets a LOT of PT at both in the minors. The .org at least sees versatility as within the limits of his abilities.

Toro, on the other hand, has played 3B exclusively in the minors after a failed attempt at C. His ST trial at 1B is stretching the limits of his flexibility. Not saying he couldn’t develop in that direction, but turning someone who has historically been seen as C/3B into a multi-position option like Marwin is a challenge.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 07:29:24 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2019, 10:56:55 pm
He's already played nearly 10 innings at 1B in games this spring.
Right. The ST experiment. 1 whole inning so far. White started over 20 games each at SS and 2B a few years ago and was surprisingly adequate. As HH noted, he is Brot an MLB candidate there bless he loses weight again, but he has the basic skills and instincts.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 13, 2019, 11:44:40 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 07:26:17 am
I agree. But he gets a LOT of PT at both in the minors. The .org at least sees versatility as within the limits of his abilities.

Toro, on the other hand, has played 3B exclusively in the minors after a failed attempt at C. His ST trial at 1B is stretching the limits of his flexibility. Not saying he couldn’t develop in that direction, but turning someone who has historically been seen as C/3B into a multi-position option like Marwin is a challenge.

You took me way too literally. Toro is a switch-hitter like Marwin and provides that sort of lineup versatility like Marwin did. For a DH-type or even corner man, that makes him valuable. So, given that, I'll take back my "heir apparent" to Marwin because it probably confused many of you. I still see the value of Toro for this team with his ability to hit from both sides and eventually provide corner infield help and also be a DH option. We will leave it at that. Like Tanielu, Toro would eventually become a much better option than White in his career. I like White but I see limitations in his abilities and once the league figures out how to pitch him, he will be hamstrung to help this team at DH and as a 1st baseman, he's average at best. I won't lie, I was shocked he reported to camp looking very pudgy. Is he serious about wanting to win a job or did he think he had a spot locked up, because I don't think that was wise.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on March 13, 2019, 11:57:45 am
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 13, 2019, 11:44:40 am
So, given that, I'll take back my "heir apparent" to Marwin because it probably confused many of you.

I think we were confused because heir presumptive is the more apt analogy.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 12:13:15 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 12, 2019, 03:48:24 pm
Tucker is good insurance for a Josh Reddick injury or lack of performance in 2019.

The only way Tucker is going to develop at the MLB level is to give him consistent at bats.  Sending him back to Triple A where he’s dominated the competition last season runs the risk of stagnating his development.  However, the Astros have a loaded MLB roster and are in win-now mode.  Therefore, sending him down makes sense.  But keep in mind, the entire starting outfield is under contract through 2020, as is Yuli.  Tyler White, Tony Kemp and Aledmys Diaz all have multiple years of arbitration remaining.  So where is the path to consistent MLB playing time coming any time soon in Houston?  Like HH said, if you don’t think he can beat out one of those guys, then it’s time to explore trading him for a major piece in return.



Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 12:18:51 pm
Also,  Tony Sipp agreed to a deal with the Nats.  1 year, 1M, with a 250,000 buyout on a 2.5M mutual option for next season.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/amp/Former-Astros-reliever-Tony-Sipp-signs-Nationals-13685108.php
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 13, 2019, 12:48:26 pm
Quote from: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 12:13:15 pm
The only way Tucker is going to develop at the MLB level is to give him consistent at bats.  Sending him back to Triple A where he’s dominated the competition last season runs the risk of stagnating his development.  However, the Astros have a loaded MLB roster and are in win-now mode.  Therefore, sending him down makes sense.  But keep in mind, the entire starting outfield is under contract through 2020, as is Yuli.  Tyler White, Tony Kemp and Aledmys Diaz all have multiple years of arbitration remaining.  So where is the path to consistent MLB playing time coming any time soon in Houston?  Like HH said, if you don’t think he can beat out one of those guys, then it’s time to explore trading him for a major piece in return.

The Astros tried to trade Josh Reddick this off-season to make room for Tucker. Other than Springer and Brantley, don't fall in love with anyone being a lock to be in the starting lineup as an outfielder next season. In fact, as I mentioned, Tucker is good insurance *this season* in case you need a callup because of lack of production or injury. It's basically how Tony Kemp (27 years of age) became a major leaguer last season, same as Tyler White (28 years of age). Tucker is all of 22 years of age. Being in the minors at this stage of his career is no indication he has no value as a major leaguer or that he can't learn to be a major leaguer with more seasoning in AAA. He's not AJ Reed.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 01:28:26 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 13, 2019, 11:44:40 am
You took me way too literally. Toro is a switch-hitter like Marwin and provides that sort of lineup versatility like Marwin did. For a DH-type or even corner man, that makes him valuable. So, given that, I'll take back my "heir apparent" to Marwin because it probably confused many of you. I still see the value of Toro for this team with his ability to hit from both sides and eventually provide corner infield help and also be a DH option. We will leave it at that. Like Tanielu, Toro would eventually become a much better option than White in his career. I like White but I see limitations in his abilities and once the league figures out how to pitch him, he will be hamstrung to help this team at DH and as a 1st baseman, he's average at best. I won't lie, I was shocked he reported to camp looking very pudgy. Is he serious about wanting to win a job or did he think he had a spot locked up, because I don't think that was wise.
I totally missed the switch hitter component of flexibility. I agree completely. Sorry for focusing only on defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 13, 2019, 01:58:46 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 01:28:26 pm
I totally missed the switch hitter component of flexibility. I agree completely. Sorry for focusing only on defense.

Not on you, it's on me for being too broad. Thanks for keeping me in check to be more clear.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Ty in Tampa on March 13, 2019, 02:01:25 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 13, 2019, 01:28:26 pm
I totally missed the switch hitter component of flexibility. I agree completely. Sorry for focusing only on defense.

Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 13, 2019, 01:58:46 pm
Not on you, it's on me for being too broad. Thanks for keeping me in check to be more clear.

You're not supposed to do that. This is the internet!
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 02:01:44 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 13, 2019, 12:48:26 pm
The Astros tried to trade Josh Reddick this off-season to make room for Tucker. Other than Springer and Brantley, don't fall in love with anyone being a lock to be in the starting lineup as an outfielder next season. In fact, as I mentioned, Tucker is good insurance *this season* in case you need a callup because of lack of production or injury. It's basically how Tony Kemp (27 years of age) became a major leaguer last season, same as Tyler White (28 years of age). Tucker is all of 22 years of age. Being in the minors at this stage of his career is no indication he has no value as a major leaguer or that he can't learn to be a major leaguer with more seasoning in AAA. He's not AJ Reed.

I’m not falling in love with the idea that Reddick, White or Kemp’s roles on the club are secure for this season or next, by any means.  I can easily see a scenario where Tucker and White platoon at DH at some point this year, or if Reddick struggles, Tucker gets his chance.  Not to mention he’ll get the call if injuries strike, White struggles, etc.  My point is Tucker is caught between a rock and a hard place because of how deep the Astros are.  If the Astros weren’t as flush with MLB-quality hitters as they are, Tucker would get his extended opportunity to prove himself at the major league level right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 13, 2019, 02:08:14 pm
Quote from: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 02:01:44 pm
I’m not falling in love with the idea that Reddick, White or Kemp’s roles on the club are secure for this season or next, by any means.  I can easily see a scenario where Tucker and White platoon at DH at some point this year, or if Reddick struggles, Tucker gets his chance.  Not to mention he’ll get the call if injuries strike, White struggles, etc.  My point is Tucker is caught between a rock and a hard place because of how deep the Astros are.  If the Astros weren’t as flush with MLB-quality hitters as they are, Tucker would get his extended opportunity to prove himself at the major league level right now.

I don't see Tucker getting any time at DH. Others, yes, not Tucker. But even with the win-now major league option the Astros will employ, I don't agree that spending part or all of the season (which I don't envision will happen... re: all of the season) in AAA is a retardation of Tucker's development. If anything, last season proved he wasn't ready. He didn't prove he was ready to displace Reddick this spring either. Marisnick is the quality fourth outfielder and Kemp is a good left handed outfielder type that can use his versatility to help the club in many different ways. Tucker needs ABs as an every day outfielder. Period. If not in the majors now, then eventually. RIght now, he can find his starter ABs in AAA, which is fine for a 22 year old.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: DVauthrin on March 13, 2019, 02:29:01 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 13, 2019, 02:08:14 pm
I don't see Tucker getting any time at DH. Others, yes, not Tucker. But even with the win-now major league option the Astros will employ, I don't agree that spending part or all of the season (which I don't envision will happen... re: all of the season) in AAA is a retardation of Tucker's development. If anything, last season proved he wasn't ready. He didn't prove he was ready to displace Reddick this spring either. Marisnick is the quality fourth outfielder and Kemp is a good left handed outfielder type that can use his versatility to help the club in many different ways. Tucker needs ABs as an every day outfielder. Period. If not in the majors now, then eventually. RIght now, he can find his starter ABs in AAA, which is fine for a 22 year old.

I agree completely that Kemp and Marisnick deserve to be on the MLB roster and Tucker needs consistent at bats, so getting them in AAA is better than riding the pine in the majors.  I also agree that he proved he wasn’t ready when he got his chance last year, so a little more minor-league seasoning won’t hurt him.  However, the pitchers he’s going to face in AAA aren’t as good as those in the major leagues, and he hit .332/.400/.590 in AAA last year.  So Hinch is dead on that it’s the subtleties that Tucker needs to work on, whether it’s plate discipline, defense, baserunning, or his overall approach at the plate. 

Also, I agree that Tucker wouldn’t play DH if he platooned with White at some point in the season.  More likely, he would start in the outfield with one of the Astros’ regular outfielders getting the nod at DH that day.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 13, 2019, 03:21:36 pm
Interesting spring training battles (to me) for a 25 man roster spot:

1. Tyler White vs. Tanielu/Toro - while the idea of carrying Tanielu or Toro for their spring training performance and raw ability is intriguing, maybe because White has previous MLB experience, including a good half season last year, he will fend them off. My preference would be Tanielu at this point but then again you cannot discount MLB experience so I'm guessing Tanielu has options left to be sent down to AAA to bide his time. It would be fun to see what this guy could do with the Crawford Boxes at Minute Maid. I have Tanielu ahead of White on my own list, but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe at his age, Tanielu is opening eyes around the league who might be interested in trading for the young man if he's available. He is this year's version of J.D. Davis.

2, Tony Kemp vs. Derek Fisher - this is a big battle that is a little under the radar right now. Fisher is younger than Kemp. However, Kemp has shown he can be a capable spot starter and bat off the bench type. Fisher has been a starter his whole career so the question is whether the Astros believe the value of both is comparable. I personally think not, Kemp has an edge as a bench player while Fisher probably needs to start somewhere or at minimum be a number four outfielder. Not going to happen with Marisnick showing his value as the solid outfielder he is. So my guess is Kemp gets the nod and Fisher probably gets traded. It's the price you pay when you have a great farm system. Fisher helped his trade value by having a very good spring so far.

3. Reymin Guduan vs. Cionel Perez - there is a spot open for a lefty bullpen arm if you count Wade Milley as a starter on the Houston Astros. I do, so you're left with Guduan or Perez to consider. Of course, barring some wild, out of nowhere deal that brings back Dallas Keuchel for one more year, maybe Milley is a bullpen arm... or maybe not, maybe Peacock goes back to the pen or McHugh. But let's not think of such things right now, let's take at face value what is going on. Guduan is having a very good spring and Perez has not pitched yet until today. So right now, Guduan has a really big edge over Perez so it might be a case of too little, too late for Perez. But stranger things have happened before, but I still see Perez being allowed a chance to stretch out even more and be ready in AAA in case of a need in the bullpen or even, perhaps, at starter.  Perez, as I mentioned, pitched today and was very solid. Today I saw the young man use a very tight slider that baffled Robinson Cano, an elite hitter. Shades of Tony Sipp in his prime. Perez has great stuff and throws hard, but if he has that slider ready to go, it might entice Hinch to look his way and go ahead and give the job to Perez. But to me, that is a long shot since Gudaun has done nothing to make himself a bad choice as well.

That's all I can think of, anyone have anything different that they are seeing/hearing/speculating on in terms of the final 25 man?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on March 13, 2019, 04:54:33 pm
Does anyone have an understanding about why Josh Fields was released by the Dodgers?

Given that McHugh and probably Peacock are heading back into the rotation and that Devenski hasn't looked good this spring (including last night's appearance) I am wondering whether it makes sense to sign Fields. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 13, 2019, 07:18:26 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on March 13, 2019, 04:54:33 pm
Does anyone have an understanding about why Josh Fields was released by the Dodgers?

Given that McHugh and probably Peacock are heading back into the rotation and that Devenski hasn't looked good this spring (including last night's appearance) I am wondering whether it makes sense to sign Fields.

I just checked his stats....his last 3 seasons with the Dodgers he has had an ERA under 3 each season.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: HudsonHawk on March 13, 2019, 07:51:02 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on March 13, 2019, 04:54:33 pm
Does anyone have an understanding about why Josh Fields was released by the Dodgers?

Given that McHugh and probably Peacock are heading back into the rotation and that Devenski hasn't looked good this spring (including last night's appearance) I am wondering whether it makes sense to sign Fields.

My guess is because they didn't want to pay him $2.9 million.  I'd take a flyer on him.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2019, 07:54:11 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on March 13, 2019, 04:54:33 pm
Does anyone have an understanding about why Josh Fields was released by the Dodgers?

Dodgers apparently wanted more lefty/righty balance in pen, Fields was out of options, more advanced stats say he was more lucky than good in 2018 which apparently is why there wasn't a trade market for him.

All those things would have been known by the Dodgers months ago so the real question is why the Dodgers didn't non-tender him.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on March 15, 2019, 03:06:14 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2019, 07:54:11 pm
Dodgers apparently wanted more lefty/righty balance in pen, Fields was out of options, more advanced stats say he was more lucky than good in 2018 which apparently is why there wasn't a trade market for him.

All those things would have been known by the Dodgers months ago so the real question is why the Dodgers didn't non-tender him.
I thought I read somewhere that his velocity was down this ST, although I can't find a link now.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on March 15, 2019, 03:29:18 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2019, 07:54:11 pm
Dodgers apparently wanted more lefty/righty balance in pen, Fields was out of options, more advanced stats say he was more lucky than good in 2018 which apparently is why there wasn't a trade market for him.

All those things would have been known by the Dodgers months ago so the real question is why the Dodgers didn't non-tender him.
Fields sat out all but 8 appearances in the 2nd half of the season with shoulder issues.  His swing and miss percentage went in the tank too.

What that means for him now or in the future, I have no idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 18, 2019, 10:43:05 pm
Apparently it wasn't a good offseason to be named Gonzalez...

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 18, 2019, 11:00:18 pm
Hasn’t Machete signed?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 18, 2019, 11:19:12 pm
Quote from: JimR on March 18, 2019, 11:00:18 pm
Hasn’t Machete signed?

Fixed.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Reuben on March 19, 2019, 10:12:48 am
Quote from: JimR on March 18, 2019, 11:00:18 pm
Hasn’t Machete signed?
Did someone already post this tidbit (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1104445629038641152) about Maldonado and Boras?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2019, 12:10:41 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2019, 09:00:34 am
Say hello to minor league camp: Brady Rodgers, Erasmo Pinales, Jose Hernandez, Ryan Hartman and Lorenzo Quintana.

Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2019, 05:33:02 am
Round #2 (ICYMI from yesterday): Pitchers Bryan Abreu and Akeem Bostick, catchers Garrett Stubbs and Chuckie Robinson, infielders Taylor Jones and Josh Rojas and outfielder Ronnie Dawson.

Quote from: moriartp on March 12, 2019, 01:34:16 pm
Today's cuts: Tucker, Armenteros, Whitley, Martin, Bukauskas, Bielak, DeGoti.

Cuts #4 of the spring:
Fisher, Perez, Straw, Alvarez, Emanuel, Mayfield, McCurry, Tanielu, Toro.

The Perez move implies things are looking good for Reymin Guduan.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on March 19, 2019, 12:13:09 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2019, 12:10:41 pm
Cuts #4 of the spring:
Fisher, Perez, Straw, Alvarez, Emanuel, Mayfield, McCurry, Tanielu, Toro.

The Perez move implies things are looking good for Reymin Guduan.

It may also imply Perez being sent back to the rotation rotation.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 19, 2019, 12:14:54 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2019, 12:10:41 pm
Cuts #4 of the spring:
Fisher, Perez, Straw, Alvarez, Emanuel, Mayfield, McCurry, Tanielu, Toro.

The Perez move implies things are looking good for Reymin Guduan.

Spring training is a time of assessment of what you have and what you need. I wonder if Luhnow is exploring a trade at the end of ST? We certainly have prospects to deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on March 19, 2019, 12:38:14 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on March 19, 2019, 12:13:09 pm
It may also imply Perez being sent back to the rotation rotation.

I thought so too, but Kaplan quotes Hinch as saying "We think he's going to pitch in the big leagues this year, most likely out of the bullpen."
https://twitter.com/jakemkaplan/status/1108016456237670402
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on March 19, 2019, 12:41:44 pm
Perez just isn't ready yet, since he started throwing late for whatever reason.  Hinch in the chron:  “We feel like it’s more important for him developmentally to get regular work in the initial part of the season.  We think he’s going to pitch in the big leagues this year, most likely out of the bullpen, but given our needs in the pen and how it’s shaping up, we had guys ahead of him so we decided to make the decisions today.”

Any updates on James?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on March 19, 2019, 01:22:38 pm
I haven't heard any updates, but he threw one inning in Saturday's game.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 19, 2019, 02:49:41 pm
Quote from: JimR on March 19, 2019, 12:14:54 pm
Spring training is a time of assessment of what you have and what you need. I wonder if Luhnow is exploring a trade at the end of ST? We certainly have prospects to deal.

Even though Tanielu has had a great spring, he was not going to beat out White in terms of major league experience. So even though White was not impressive (to me) and he is basically your starting DH, you now know what you have in Tanielu, Toro and Alvarez. If by May, White is not producing, I suspect the need to go to one of those three will be there. Unless, of course, you trade one of those three or package them to go get a major league quality bat for the DH spot. Can't think of anyone other than Edwin Encarnacion at this point.

Fisher and Straw lost their bid to unseat Tony Kemp for pretty much the same reason as White had over Tanielu, Toro and Alvarez. Kemp has the experience coming off the bench and providing quality ABs. Perez lost his spot because of two things: 1) Gudain has had a very good spring and 2) Perez delayed his pitching routine so he was well behind everyone else.

Another kid I was very impressed with other than Whitley, Martin, and Bukakas (sp?) was Beilak. He (Beilak) was very composed on the mound and threw strikes. He just needs a little more seasoning it seems but overall he had the makeup to be a major leaguer (IMHO).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 19, 2019, 03:23:41 pm
Quote from: Lefty on March 19, 2019, 12:41:44 pm
Any updates on James?

Saw him pitch on Saturday. He was not in control of his pitches. His breaking ball bounced in front of the plate or so far outside, it was the definition of being wild. His fastball was touching 94mph low in the strike zone. He did not have control of the fastball either so most of them were called balls by the home plate umpire (rightfully so). The ones he did throw for strikes were hit hard but resulted in outs.

IMHO, James has some work to do to harness his stuff and be ready by Opening Day, which looks like a longshot to me right now. He might come out his next outing and have pinpoint control and throw harder but from what I saw Saturday, he was not that guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 19, 2019, 05:02:01 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 19, 2019, 03:23:41 pm
Saw him pitch on Saturday. He was not in control of his pitches. His breaking ball bounced in front of the plate or so far outside, it was the definition of being wild. His fastball was touching 94mph low in the strike zone. He did not have control of the fastball either so most of them were called balls by the home plate umpire (rightfully so). The ones he did throw for strikes were hit hard but resulted in outs.

IMHO, James has some work to do to harness his stuff and be ready by Opening Day, which looks like a longshot to me right now. He might come out his next outing and have pinpoint control and throw harder but from what I saw Saturday, he was not that guy.

Not surprising. First outing after an injury.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 19, 2019, 06:06:31 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 19, 2019, 02:49:41 pm
Even though Tanielu has had a great spring, he was not going to beat out White in terms of major league experience. So even though White was not impressive (to me) and he is basically your starting DH, you now know what you have in Tanielu, Toro and Alvarez. If by May, White is not producing, I suspect the need to go to one of those three will be there. Unless, of course, you trade one of those three or package them to go get a major league quality bat for the DH spot. Can't think of anyone other than Edwin Encarnacion at this point.

Fisher and Straw lost their bid to unseat Tony Kemp for pretty much the same reason as White had over Tanielu, Toro and Alvarez. Kemp has the experience coming off the bench and providing quality ABs. Perez lost his spot because of two things: 1) Gudain has had a very good spring and 2) Perez delayed his pitching routine so he was well behind everyone else.

Another kid I was very impressed with other than Whitley, Martin, and Bukakas (sp?) was Beilak. He (Beilak) was very composed on the mound and threw strikes. He just needs a little more seasoning it seems but overall he had the makeup to be a major leaguer (IMHO).

The organization seems very high on Abreu’s potential.

In terms of a late ST trade, I was thinking about Kluber, not a bat. Keuchel apparently likes it in Fantasyland. Like you, I do not see much hitting available.

Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 20, 2019, 01:46:07 pm
Quote from: JimR on March 19, 2019, 05:02:01 pm
Not surprising. First outing after an injury.

Watched his outing today against the Yankees. He's sitting comfortably at 95-96 right now with some movement. He's still trying to get the feel for being on the mound. He's making a ton of pitches because other than his fastball, not much is working in the strike zone. As you mention, he's getting that feel back so he needs the work because he doesn't really have it yet. He had a 3-2 count on Bird with men on second and third and made a really good pitch - fastball on the outside corner. It was perfect but called a ball by the umpire. I don't blame the umpire, when you're pitching and can't command the strike zone, it's hard for the blue to give you that pitch. So he walked Bird to load the bases. But then he came after Sanchez. Thew him some nasty high cheese at 97-98 that Sanchez could not catch up with and teased him with some sliders. Finally got him on a 1-2 pitch - fastball down in the zone away that all Sanchez could do is hit it off the end of his bat to lift it to right.

James needs work to get it back and the second outing for him today was better than the last but still showed me he needs some time to get it back.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 20, 2019, 02:03:39 pm
Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 20, 2019, 01:46:07 pm
Watched his outing today against the Yankees. He's sitting comfortably at 95-96 right now with some movement. He's still trying to get the feel for being on the mound. He's making a ton of pitches because other than his fastball, not much is working in the strike zone. As you mention, he's getting that feel back so he needs the work because he doesn't really have it yet. He had a 3-2 count on Bird with men on second and third and made a really good pitch - fastball on the outside corner. It was perfect but called a ball by the umpire. I don't blame the umpire, when you're pitching and can't command the strike zone, it's hard for the blue to give you that pitch. So he walked Bird to load the bases. But then he came after Sanchez. Thew him some nasty high cheese at 97-98 that Sanchez could not catch up with and teased him with some sliders. Finally got him on a 1-2 pitch - fastball down in the zone away that all Sanchez could do is hit it off the end of his bat to lift it to right.

James needs work to get it back and the second outing for him today was better than the last but still showed me he needs some time to get it back.

His second inning was much better. Higher speeds on his fastball, a little better command although he still pulled some of his pitches making the ball sink way outside. But overall, he had a better command of the zone. Work in progress.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2019, 10:08:24 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2019, 12:10:41 pm
Cuts #4 of the spring:
Fisher, Perez, Straw, Alvarez, Emanuel, Mayfield, McCurry, Tanielu, Toro.

Cuts #5:
Dean Deetz sent down.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on March 21, 2019, 10:11:53 am
What are the remaining roster battles? 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2019, 10:26:09 am
Quote from: jbm on March 21, 2019, 10:11:53 am
What are the remaining roster battles?

Guduan vs Framber (though Guduan surely has the inside edge at this point).
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on March 21, 2019, 10:42:38 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2019, 10:26:09 am
Guduan vs Framber (though Guduan surely has the inside edge at this point).

Is Guduan throwing strikes consistently?

Seems the last I read on here Framber still wasn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Lefty on March 21, 2019, 12:12:41 pm
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on March 21, 2019, 10:42:38 am
Is Guduan throwing strikes consistently?

Seems the last I read on here Framber still wasn't.

Numbers say yes, I think 12K/2BB in 8 IP, and he did (like Jim said) look really good yesterday.  Not sure if it was a slider or a cutter, but it was hard and he was getting in on the hands of RHB
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on March 23, 2019, 02:06:06 pm
Framber beats out Guduan for the last spot in the ‘pen.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 23, 2019, 02:30:27 pm
Quote from: moriartp on March 23, 2019, 02:06:06 pm
Framber beats out Guduan for the last spot in the ‘pen.
A little surprising to me. Not because Valdez doesn’t necessarily deserve it, just because Guduan has looked so dominant.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 23, 2019, 02:50:40 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 23, 2019, 02:30:27 pm
A little surprising to me. Not because Valdez doesn’t necessarily deserve it, just because Guduan has looked so dominant.


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I would have bet that would go the other way, too.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on March 23, 2019, 02:59:48 pm
Might be versatility - Framber can give them a start if they need it.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on March 23, 2019, 03:29:38 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on March 23, 2019, 02:59:48 pm
Might be versatility - Framber can give them a start if they need it.

I suspect it’s more about being able to go multiple innings.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 23, 2019, 03:33:46 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on March 23, 2019, 03:29:38 pm
I suspect it’s more about being able to go multiple innings.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. They could put him in the long relief roll instead of James to keep him stretched out. Then again if they want to keep him stretched out they could’ve sent him to AAA to pitch in the starting rotation and then call him up if they need him. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the plan is.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 23, 2019, 04:05:08 pm
Quote from: moriartp on March 23, 2019, 02:06:06 pm
Framber beats out Guduan for the last spot in the ‘pen.

Wow! Shocking.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 23, 2019, 04:41:57 pm
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 23, 2019, 03:33:46 pm
I’ve been thinking the same thing. They could put him in the long relief roll instead of James to keep him stretched out. Then again if they want to keep him stretched out they could’ve sent him to AAA to pitch in the starting rotation and then call him up if they need him. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the plan is.


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Long relief role? I think they need more a LH that can get a key LH out in the mid-innings. Maybe they have more confidence in Framber to do that.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 23, 2019, 05:35:26 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on March 23, 2019, 02:59:48 pm
Might be versatility - Framber can give them a start if they need it.
This. Peacock & McHugh as 40% of the rotation may mean plenty of relief innings early.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Noe on March 23, 2019, 09:48:41 pm
On the broadcast tonight, Sparky said Framber was picked over Guduan because Hinch wants someone in the pen that can go multiple innings rather than a left-handed specialist. That is because they made the decision to give Peacock the starting nod, so that took that very important role in the pen away and Hinch filled it with Framber. Another thing Sparky said was that Hinch confided in him that he had hoped that Josh James would have been in the starting rotation and you might see that happen this season anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on March 24, 2019, 01:24:49 am
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 23, 2019, 05:35:26 pm
This. Peacock & McHugh as 40% of the rotation may mean plenty of relief innings early.
Mchugh has proven to be able to go deep into games and can be expected to give you 6 solid innings. Peacock though, I agree. I feel like I remember him always hitting a wall after 4 innings, something to watch. Miley also has been mostly a 5 inning guy for the last 3 years. The bullpen will definitely need to carry much more of the load this season than last, of that theres no doubt.

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 24, 2019, 08:11:47 am
We need another frontline pitcher so Peacock or Miley can be in the pen. My fantasy is Tucker and others for Kluber at the end of ST.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on March 24, 2019, 11:13:34 am
Quote from: JimR on March 24, 2019, 08:11:47 am
We need another frontline pitcher so Peacock or Miley can be in the pen. My fantasy is Tucker and others for Kluber at the end of ST.

I think the hope is that Whitley will be that pitcher.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 24, 2019, 11:14:38 am
Quote from: JimR on March 24, 2019, 08:11:47 am
We need another frontline pitcher so Peacock or Miley can be in the pen. My fantasy is Tucker and others for Kluber at the end of ST.
I would do back flips if we got him but I do worry about the mileage on his arm. He looks like he tires in August and September every year. Still, I’d be stoked!

From reports I have read, we have talked to the Blue Jays about Marcus Stroman. He’s no Kluber but he would be a nice add at the back of the rotation. And the Blue Jays, like the Indians, are thin in the outfield and we have some talent in that area to offer.

Contract wise, Kluber is making $17M this year and has club options for the next two years at $17.5 and $18M. The cost conscious Indians may be looking to move him. Stroman is making $7.4M this year with 1 arb year left before free agency.


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Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on March 24, 2019, 11:17:11 am
I would have to think that Bakauskas is not too far behind Whitley.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on March 24, 2019, 11:19:53 am
Quote from: geezerdonk on March 24, 2019, 11:17:11 am
I would have to think that Bakauskas is not too far behind Whitley.

Martin is rated as highly as Bakauskas.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 24, 2019, 11:43:49 am
Quote from: geezerdonk on March 24, 2019, 11:17:11 am
I would have to think that Bakauskas is not too far behind Whitley.

I think Whitley is well ahead of the other two, but they all three are MLB-caliber.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 24, 2019, 11:45:37 am
Quote from: MusicMan on March 24, 2019, 11:13:34 am
I think the hope is that Whitley will be that pitcher.


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Oh, I know, and I called Kluber a fantasy. Whitley is not even a rookie yet and is in RR.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on March 25, 2019, 09:50:34 pm
Looks like Framber celebrated his making of the team in style tonight.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on March 25, 2019, 09:56:00 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 25, 2019, 09:50:34 pm
Looks like Framber celebrated his making of the team in style tonight.

Geez.  Lots of crooked numbers all over the boxscore.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on March 25, 2019, 10:35:02 pm
Quote from: VirtualBob on March 25, 2019, 09:50:34 pm
Looks like Framber celebrated his making of the team in style tonight.

and Guduan  got the win.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: BUWebguy on March 27, 2019, 11:11:59 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on March 24, 2019, 11:14:38 am
I would do back flips if we got him but I do worry about the mileage on his arm. He looks like he tires in August and September every year. Still, I’d be stoked!

FWIW, Kluber's career ERA in August is 2.78 -- his second-best month. Sept/Oct is his second-worst month -- but still only 3.32.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on March 27, 2019, 01:30:06 pm
Quote from: BUWebguy on March 27, 2019, 11:11:59 am
FWIW, Kluber's career ERA in August is 2.78 -- his second-best month. Sept/Oct is his second-worst month -- but still only 3.32.
And that sir isn’t too damn bad. Like I said, I’d be stoked if we got him.




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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: doyce7 on April 11, 2019, 04:26:27 pm
Guduan up to take Valdez spot according to Kaplan

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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on April 21, 2019, 08:48:34 am
Guduan and Valdez to swap places again.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1119800619441754112?s=19 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1119800619441754112?s=19)
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: moriartp on May 11, 2019, 04:22:23 pm
From @Chandler_Rome:

Collin McHugh is going to the bullpen. The Astros are expected to recall Corbin Martin to make his major league debut tomorrow against the Rangers.

A.J. Hinch is “not optimistic” that Jose Altuve will avoid the injured list. He described the injury as a “slight strain” of his left hamstring.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on May 11, 2019, 04:44:06 pm
Quote from: moriartp on May 11, 2019, 04:22:23 pm
From @Chandler_Rome:

Collin McHugh is going to the bullpen. The Astros are expected to recall Corbin Martin to make his major league debut tomorrow against the Rangers.

A.J. Hinch is “not optimistic” that Jose Altuve will avoid the injured list. He described the injury as a “slight strain” of his left hamstring.

Good for Martin. He has pitched the best in RR. Hope this resurrects. McHugh. Someone has to go to make room for Martin? Jose to the IL?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on May 11, 2019, 05:10:20 pm
For Collin hopefully a chance to work on things and experience success out of the pen before he goes back to the rotation.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: MusicMan on May 11, 2019, 05:11:17 pm
Quote from: JimR on May 11, 2019, 04:44:06 pm
Good for Martin. He has pitched the best in RR. Hope this resurrects. McHugh. Someone has to go to make room for Martin? Jose to the IL?

Hinch said he doesn't see Altuve avoiding the IL, so presumably that's the move.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 11, 2019, 05:15:52 pm
Martin looked like a big leaguer in the spring. Meanwhile Whitley continues to struggle.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 11, 2019, 05:20:24 pm
Will Kemp see any time at second?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 11, 2019, 05:31:15 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on May 11, 2019, 05:20:24 pm
Will Kemp see any time at second?
I guess anything is possible but I would think not. At this point I’m sure Diaz is the better more reliable option.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 11, 2019, 05:32:19 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on May 11, 2019, 05:15:52 pm
Martin looked like a big leaguer in the spring. Meanwhile Whitley continues to struggle.
Yeah, it was pretty clear that of the “big 3” pitchers Martin looks the most ready at this point. Excited to see him!!


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on May 11, 2019, 07:03:47 pm
Quote from: JimR on May 11, 2019, 04:44:06 pm
Good for Martin. He has pitched the best in RR. Hope this resurrects. McHugh. Someone has to go to make room for Martin? Jose to the IL?

Is he primarily a sinker-baller? A lot of ground-outs?
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: JimR on May 11, 2019, 07:17:50 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on May 11, 2019, 07:03:47 pm
Is he primarily a sinker-baller? A lot of ground-outs?

Watching from the press box; do not know if it sinks. Good control. Not overpowering velocity. He was in total control of the game I saw.

ETA: went back to look at the box score
5.1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1ER, 3 BB, 9 K
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Navin R Johnson on May 12, 2019, 01:01:09 am
I love Brantley.  He reminds me of the a lefty Alou.
Title: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: geezerdonk on May 12, 2019, 08:04:44 pm
Luhnow has some tough decisions coming up. Alvarez now has 15 home runs and 47 RBIs in 33 games with a .402 BA and .490 OBP. Who does he move to bring him up? It looks like it has to be White. What is he going to do with Devinski? Does he have options left? Not much pitching help in Round Rock. 
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: hostros7 on May 12, 2019, 08:14:20 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on May 12, 2019, 08:04:44 pm
Luhnow has some tough decisions coming up. Alvarez now has 15 home runs and 47 RBIs in 33 games with a .402 BA and .490 OBP. Who does he move to bring him up? It looks like it has to be White. What is he going to do with Devinski? Does he have options left? Not much pitching help in Round Rock.

After one start, Martin has earned a few more. Altuve is coming back at some point, so the team is already going to have a tough decision with or without Alvarez or anyone else involved.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on May 12, 2019, 08:31:49 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on May 12, 2019, 08:04:44 pm
Luhnow has some tough decisions coming up. Alvarez now has 15 home runs and 47 RBIs in 33 games with a .402 BA and .490 OBP. Who does he move to bring him up? It looks like it has to be White. What is he going to do with Devinski? Does he have options left? Not much pitching help in Round Rock.
Yes, he has tough decisions to make and they will have to be made pretty soon. When Altuve is ready to come back he will have to make his first move. If they want to stay with 13 pitchers then White or Kemp has to go to make room. The alternative would be to postpone that decision and send Devo or Valdez down to make room for Altuve. I suspect that is what will happen. Either Devo or Valdez will go to AAA.

Eventually, a decision will have to be made where White and Kemp are concerned. I suspect Luhnow puts that off as long as absolutely possible.....probably until the trade deadline. Personally, I’ve seen all of White I want to see. I love Kemp but it probably makes the most sense to move him. He will have more value and the talent we have in AAA that is most ready play is at his position, the outfield.

There will also have to be a decision made when Joe Smith is ready to return. If I heard Luhnow correctly on today’s pregame show, Joe will be ready to return sometime in June. Jeff talked as if they were eager to get him back in the bullpen and said that when he is ready a difficult decision will have to be made. If Devo survives the reactivating of Altuve, I’m betting he’s out in June when Smith is ready.....unless Devo turns it around in a hurry.


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Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jaklewein on May 13, 2019, 09:21:51 am
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on May 12, 2019, 08:31:49 pm
Yes, he has tough decisions to make and they will have to be made pretty soon. When Altuve is ready to come back he will have to make his first move. If they want to stay with 13 pitchers then White or Kemp has to go to make room. The alternative would be to postpone that decision and send Devo or Valdez down to make room for Altuve. I suspect that is what will happen. Either Devo or Valdez will go to AAA.

Eventually, a decision will have to be made where White and Kemp are concerned. I suspect Luhnow puts that off as long as absolutely possible.....probably until the trade deadline. Personally, I’ve seen all of White I want to see. I love Kemp but it probably makes the most sense to move him. He will have more value and the talent we have in AAA that is most ready play is at his position, the outfield.

There will also have to be a decision made when Joe Smith is ready to return. If I heard Luhnow correctly on today’s pregame show, Joe will be ready to return sometime in June. Jeff talked as if they were eager to get him back in the bullpen and said that when he is ready a difficult decision will have to be made. If Devo survives the reactivating of Altuve, I’m betting he’s out in June when Smith is ready.....unless Devo turns it around in a hurry.


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Damn, I hate the idea of moving Kemp.  Come playoff time his ability to come off the bench and give the team a quality AB will be hard to replace.  I'm hoping White turns it around quickly so he builds at least some trade value, but if he doesn't do it quick he will probably be the odd man out (may just be released if there is no market for him).  I'm thinking White gets 2-3 weeks to turn it around, but then to JimR's point, Alvarez will have to be brought up so you can get an idea of how he will perform at the big league level ahead of the trade deadline.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: jbm on May 13, 2019, 09:46:17 am
Quote from: jaklewein on May 13, 2019, 09:21:51 am
Damn, I hate the idea of moving Kemp.  Come playoff time his ability to come off the bench and give the team a quality AB will be hard to replace.  I'm hoping White turns it around quickly so he builds at least some trade value, but if he doesn't do it quick he will probably be the odd man out (may just be released if there is no market for him).  I'm thinking White gets 2-3 weeks to turn it around, but then to JimR's point, Alvarez will have to be brought up so you can get an idea of how he will perform at the big league level ahead of the trade deadline.
The bolded part is why I don't understand why Kemp is even in this discussion. IMO, his particular skill-set is highly valuable to the Astros, but no so valuable to a non-contender or a contender that needs him as a everyday player.   Bottom line, you'd get little in return for a player that will be hard to replace.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Bench on May 13, 2019, 10:18:24 am
Quote from: jbm on May 13, 2019, 09:46:17 am
The bolded part is why I don't understand why Kemp is even in this discussion. IMO, his particular skill-set is highly valuable to the Astros, but no so valuable to a non-contender or a contender that needs him as a everyday player.   Bottom line, you'd get little in return for a player that will be hard to replace.

I agree. If there's a discussion between Kemp v White, it ought to be a pretty short one.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: toddthebod on May 13, 2019, 11:42:05 am
I know that twitter has discussed the subject ad nauseum, but it just seems like Tyler White is much heavier than he was last season.  It could just be that the beard is much bushier so his face seems bigger.  Or maybe he just got a baggier uniform.  But I wonder if he did gain weight and whether or not that has been part of the problem.

Regardless, it's got to be Kemp over White.  White is striking out a ton (34% of all PAs).  And he hasn't shown any power this season.  I've been a big supporter of White, but he doesn't look good at the plate at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: juliogotay on May 13, 2019, 12:27:56 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on May 13, 2019, 11:42:05 am
I know that twitter has discussed the subject ad nauseum, but it just seems like Tyler White is much heavier than he was last season.  It could just be that the beard is much bushier so his face seems bigger.  Or maybe he just got a baggier uniform.  But I wonder if he did gain weight and whether or not that has been part of the problem.

Regardless, it's got to be Kemp over White.  White is striking out a ton (34% of all PAs).  And he hasn't shown any power this season.  I've been a big supporter of White, but he doesn't look good at the plate at all.

I can tell by looking at White he has gained weight. His legs look like tree stumps.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: Jacksonian on May 13, 2019, 12:56:23 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on May 13, 2019, 11:42:05 am
I know that twitter has discussed the subject ad nauseum, but it just seems like Tyler White is much heavier than he was last season.  It could just be that the beard is much bushier so his face seems bigger.  Or maybe he just got a baggier uniform.  But I wonder if he did gain weight and whether or not that has been part of the problem.

Regardless, it's got to be Kemp over White.  White is striking out a ton (34% of all PAs).  And he hasn't shown any power this season.  I've been a big supporter of White, but he doesn't look good at the plate at all.

Luhnow's made it clear too that position versatility is a high priority.  Kemp has that over White all day long.
Title: Re: 2019 Roster (New & Improved)
Post by: VirtualBob on May 13, 2019, 10:29:17 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on May 13, 2019, 11:42:05 am
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White is striking out a ton (34% of all PAs).  And he hasn't shown any power this season.  I've been a big supporter of White, but he doesn't look good at the plate at all.
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