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Title: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 15, 2014, 12:50:30 am
Why the fuck not?

6'2" RHP Beau Burrows from Weatherford HS (and an Aggie commit) stands out at PG showcase (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/perfect-game-national-blazin-burrows/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: morningwood75 on June 15, 2014, 02:29:48 pm
Guys to keep an eye on who will most likely be first rounders...

HS OF Kyle Tucker, brother of Preston

HS OF Ryan Johnson, out of College Station

HS RHP Kyle Molnar

HS LHP Justin Hooper

HS OF Daz Cameron, son of Mike

HS SS Brendan Rodgers

HS SS John Aiello

HS SS Nick Shumpert

HS OF Jahmai Jones

Duke RHP Michael Matuella

LSU IF Alex Bregman

Florida State OF D.J. Stewart

Vandy RHP Carson Fulmer

Virginia LHP Nate Kirby



Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 15, 2014, 03:44:41 pm
Hard to imagine a baseball-playing Shumpert not being related to Terry.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 15, 2014, 06:16:32 pm
Hard to imagine a baseball-playing Shumpert not being related to Terry.

Son of. Also a cousin to Red Sox uber prospect Mookie Betts.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on July 18, 2014, 05:06:56 pm
This thread just got a whole lot more relevant, with Aiken saying Fuck You. So, who are the real creme-de-la-creme guys from the list above? I know Matuella's name was mentioned as a candidate for 1-1; who else? Bregman?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 18, 2014, 06:07:31 pm
This thread just got a whole lot more relevant, with Aiken saying Fuck You. So, who are the real creme-de-la-creme guys from the list above? I know Matuella's name was mentioned as a candidate for 1-1; who else? Bregman?

I've seen Daz Cameron at the top of several lists.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on July 19, 2014, 09:31:15 am
No doubt other contenders will arise during the next year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 01, 2014, 12:43:02 am
Considering that the Astros are likely to have 2 top 5 picks (potentially as high as 1.1 and 1.2 or 1.2 and 1.3), a comp round pick, and a high 2nd round pick, they could very well have a $20M draft pool in the 2015 draft...  And that has me kinda curious... How is the 2015 draft looking as a whole?!? (Strong draft, weak draft, deep draft, etc...)?!? Other comments on the 2015 draft?

Thanks - I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on August 01, 2014, 10:29:23 am
Considering that the Astros are likely to have 2 top 5 picks (potentially as high as 1.1 and 1.2 or 1.2 and 1.3), a comp round pick, and a high 2nd round pick, they could very well have a $20M draft pool in the 2015 draft...  And that has me kinda curious... How is the 2015 draft looking as a whole?!? (Strong draft, weak draft, deep draft, etc...)?!? Other comments on the 2015 draft?

Thanks - I'll hang up and listen.

I haven't heard anything really one way or another.  It's not a weak draft and doesn't seem to have a Strasburg-level prospect (at this point), but does have some good players at the top.  Where this year's draft was noted as being very deep in LHP and HS pitching, in general, I don't know if there are any such areas next year.  I could be wrong, I just don't remember reading anything like that. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on August 26, 2014, 12:00:34 am
2015 just got an intriguing wrinkle: Phil Bickford, who went 10th overall in the 2013 draft but didn't sign, is leaving Cal State-Fullerton to enroll at a juco (presumably) and be eligible for the draft a year sooner. From BA article (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/bickford-leave-cal-state-fullerton/):
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Assuming Bickford winds up in the 2015 draft pool, he has a chance to become the No. 1 overall pick. No other obvious front-runner has established himself, and Bickford already has a top-10 pedigree. But he still must refine his secondary stuff and prove that he can handle a starting role, because his stuff was considerably more electric in a relief role this summer than it was when he started in the spring.

There's more good analysis there, worth a read.
 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on August 27, 2014, 09:40:06 pm
BA's story updated now, with quotes from Cal-Fullerton's coach, who probably won't be sending Bickford any Christmas cards:
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“Am I sad that he left? Yes,” Fullerton coach Rick Vanderhook told BA on Tuesday. “Am I upset? Not really. Does it hurt us? It hurts us, but it might work out pretty good, as we go. I have two guys better than him—and two guys that want to play for the team. Our program is not for individuals. If he wanted to be an individual, it’s probably best that he went somewhere else.”

Vanderhook said Bickford did not inform him of his decision to leave the program until this weekend, leaving the Titans no time to find another player to replace him.

“He has a big scholarship, and three days before school, you can’t replace Phil,” Vanderhook said. “I don’t know anybody who can get somebody into school in two days. I can’t. I just wish he would have given us the ability to go get some other guys. That’s selfishness.”
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 12, 2014, 12:14:48 am
Kylie McDaniel of Fangraphs with his "way too early" edition of the top 51 draft prospects (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/) with this noted in his writeup:

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One of the reasons you’ll keep hearing about the Astros and Aiken is because Aiken’s advisor, Casey Close’s Excel Sports Management, represents 6 of my top 15 prospects right now, with a couple of the top 15 prospects still uncommitted to advisors.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on September 12, 2014, 07:39:29 am
Did the deadline already pass for Aiken to file a grievance?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on September 12, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Did the deadline already pass for Aiken to file a grievance?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on September 12, 2014, 10:31:35 pm
Has he already enrolled at a JC, or can he still do that?  I assume school has started.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on September 12, 2014, 11:25:19 pm
Has he already enrolled at a JC, or can he still do that?  I assume school has started.

Some JC in Arizona, was what I read.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on September 13, 2014, 09:57:49 am
I was out of town last week...were there any media reports about the grievance (lack thereof) and any implied narratives? 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 13, 2014, 12:27:10 pm
Has he already enrolled at a JC, or can he still do that?  I assume school has started.

He's "expected" to enroll at Yavapai JC, per the Fangraphs article I linked to above.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on September 18, 2014, 09:20:18 am
BA article (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/michael-matuella-update/) on Duke RHP Michael Matuella, who's expected to be an upper-1st-round pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on September 19, 2014, 05:49:31 pm
BA article (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/michael-matuella-update/) on Duke RHP Michael Matuella, who's expected to be an upper-1st-round pick.

I'm thinking he won't be available when the Astros draft. It's been awhile since anyone said that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: OregonStrosFan on September 22, 2014, 02:55:26 pm
I'm thinking he won't be available when the Astros draft. It's been awhile since anyone said that.

The Astros officially eliminated themselves this weekend from contention for the first overall pick in the draft next year. Been awhile since anyone said that either... FWIW, if the season ended today, the Astros would have picks at 1:2 and 1:7 (and a comp round pick).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 22, 2014, 04:28:52 pm
FWIW, if the season ended today, the Astros would have picks at 1:2 and 1:7 (and a comp round pick).
Just a reminder for folks, the comp round pick came from the Marlins in the Cosart trade. That'll be the 1:32 pick. So 3 of the first 32 picks.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 28, 2014, 12:29:44 pm
Hadn't seen this posted yet:

http://www.vavel.com/en-us/mlb/396498-southpaw-hurler-mac-marshall-withdraws-from-lsu-becomes-eligible-for-2015-mlb-draft.html
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on September 28, 2014, 06:16:06 pm
Hadn't seen this posted yet:

http://www.vavel.com/en-us/mlb/396498-southpaw-hurler-mac-marshall-withdraws-from-lsu-becomes-eligible-for-2015-mlb-draft.html
It was mentioned here (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=116928.msg506736#msg506736).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 29, 2014, 09:48:53 am
Thanks, Reuben.  Noticed that shortly after I posted.  I really need to learn how to fucking read.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on September 29, 2014, 11:33:28 am
Thanks, Reuben.  Noticed that shortly after I posted.  I really need to learn how to fucking read.
Eh. If that's the worst thing you do all week I'd say you're doing pretty good.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 30, 2014, 11:26:13 am
Given that we're in the home stretch of Harvest out here in wine country, reckon my boss would be pretty happy if that is the worst thing I do all week.

Moving on, looks like the Astros will have four picks out of the first fifty in the 2015 Draft?

#2
#5
#32
#41

Unless I'm missing something (entirely possible), that looks like a pretty damn good position to be drafting from.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 30, 2014, 11:31:14 am
Crawfish Boxes brings up a good point regarding FA signings affecting the Astros' Second Round pick:

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/9/29/6863937/mlb-draft-2015-draft-order-set-astros-have-second-fifth-overall-picks
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on September 30, 2014, 12:05:20 pm
Given that we're in the home stretch of Harvest out here in wine country, reckon my boss would be pretty happy if that is the worst thing I do all week.

Moving on, looks like the Astros will have four picks out of the first fifty in the 2015 Draft?

#2
#5
#32
#41

Unless I'm missing something (entirely possible), that looks like a pretty damn good position to be drafting from.

Are you in Napa?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on September 30, 2014, 01:02:24 pm
Are you in Napa?

More importantly, are you making wine?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 30, 2014, 01:21:00 pm
To juliogotay and NeilT, yes on both accounts.  Moved out from Austin in 2009 and been out here ever since. 

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on September 30, 2014, 01:31:55 pm
To juliogotay and NeilT, yes on both accounts.  Moved out from Austin in 2009 and been out here ever since. 



Which winery?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on September 30, 2014, 02:16:10 pm
To juliogotay and NeilT, yes on both accounts.  Moved out from Austin in 2009 and been out here ever since. 



I was in Napa (off of Jefferson St. not far from El Centro) until August 2012.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 30, 2014, 03:08:26 pm
Regret not meeting up with you while both of us were in Napa, Mr. Happy.  My girlfriend's old place in the alphabet streets was actually not all that far from where you used to be.

NeilT, I work for Turley Wine Cellars overseeing vineyards and production work.  You make it out this way at all?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BizidyDizidy on September 30, 2014, 03:13:01 pm
Big customer of yours
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on September 30, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
To juliogotay and NeilT, yes on both accounts.  Moved out from Austin in 2009 and been out here ever since. 



Spent a couple of days in Napa last week. I envy you.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on September 30, 2014, 03:33:17 pm
Regret not meeting up with you while both of us were in Napa, Mr. Happy.  My girlfriend's old place in the alphabet streets was actually not all that far from where you used to be.

NeilT, I work for Turley Wine Cellars overseeing vineyards and production work.  You make it out this way at all?

Turley is outstanding.  I just failed to order this year, but I still have about half a case from a couple of years ago.  I wish I did get out there, but now maybe I have a reason to go!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on September 30, 2014, 06:25:17 pm
Gents, a heartfelt thanks for your support.  It means a lot to me personally (validates what I do for a living) and I'm only half joking when I say you're paying my salary.

If anyone does make it out to Napa, please abuse my hospitality.  We don't have a tasting room at the winery in St. Helena where I work, but more than happy to crack open a few bottles for fellow Astros fans.  It's not like the team hasn't driven us to drink or anything.

NeilT: what do you have in your cellar?

juliogotay: I tell people all the time there's a reason why I pay to live in California.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on September 30, 2014, 07:14:30 pm
Regret not meeting up with you while both of us were in Napa, Mr. Happy.  My girlfriend's old place in the alphabet streets was actually not all that far from where you used to be.

NeilT, I work for Turley Wine Cellars overseeing vineyards and production work.  You make it out this way at all?

Same here. I love to take people out to eat. Our neighborhood place was Fume. We ate there 5-7 times a month.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on September 30, 2014, 07:38:30 pm
NeilT: what do you have in your cellar?

i thought I had some 2010s, but clearly the Cellar Gremlins have been at work.  I've still got 9 bottles of 2011,  2 Duarte, 4 Dusi, 2 Dragon, and 1 Juvenil. Frankly, I don't remember anything about them, except that I'm very fond of Zins, and I've never had a Turley Zin that I wouldn't have happily had two more. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on October 01, 2014, 12:05:19 pm
Cellars gremlins are jerks.  Can't tell you how many times they've raided my stash of wines.

Dragon is one of the vineyards I work with the most.  One of the highest plantings in Napa and some stunning views.  Also Larry Turley's favorite wine.  I've walked the vineyards for the Duarte blend many times.  Amazing places.  Literally like walking on the beach because of all the deposited material from the Sacramento Delta.  Heard stories of similar situations in Greece and the Canary Islands, but I've never anything like it myself. 

Overall, I love the 2011 wines we made.  You're in a great place to drink or hold what you've got for several more years easily.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on October 01, 2014, 12:08:33 pm
Same here. I love to take people out to eat. Our neighborhood place was Fume. We ate there 5-7 times a month.

Fume is a great place.  Haven't been there in awhile, but the bartender and I used to give each other a fair amount of shit - him being an ou fan and me being more enlightened because Dad was a Texas Ex and I learned "Hook 'em, Horns" before I could walk.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on October 01, 2014, 12:18:57 pm
Cellars gremlins are jerks.  Can't tell you how many times they've raided my stash of wines.

Dragon is one of the vineyards I work with the most.  One of the highest plantings in Napa and some stunning views.  Also Larry Turley's favorite wine.  I've walked the vineyards for the Duarte blend many times.  Amazing places.  Literally like walking on the beach because of all the deposited material from the Sacramento Delta.  Heard stories of similar situations in Greece and the Canary Islands, but I've never anything like it myself. 

Overall, I love the 2011 wines we made.  You're in a great place to drink or hold what you've got for several more years easily.

Good, 'cause I almost like them too much to drink them, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on October 01, 2014, 05:19:49 pm
Fume is a great place.  Haven't been there in awhile, but the bartender and I used to give each other a fair amount of shit - him being an ou fan and me being more enlightened because Dad was a Texas Ex and I learned "Hook 'em, Horns" before I could walk.

Adam, the bartender, is the man!!! He's an Oklahoma fan, so I used to give him some "Big Game Bob" shit.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on October 01, 2014, 05:20:16 pm
I have that problem all too often.  Usually, wine helps me make a more informed decision.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on October 01, 2014, 05:20:45 pm
Adam, the bartender, is the man!!! He's an Oklahoma fan, so I used to give him some "Big Game Bob" shit.

As you should, and I say liking Adam a great deal.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on October 01, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
After the wine tasting, it's probably time to return this thread to the 2015 draft.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on October 01, 2014, 07:19:31 pm
After the wine tasting, it's probably time to return this thread to the 2015 draft.

Ok, what 2015 wines will you be drafting for your cellar?

Seriously, though, where does one find the Turley wines? I'm intrigued, although I'm not normally a Zin guy.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on October 01, 2014, 07:53:13 pm
Ok, what 2015 wines will you be drafting for your cellar?

Seriously, though, where does one find the Turley wines? I'm intrigued, although I'm not normally a Zin guy.

You get your name on their mailing list and then once a year they send out an invitation to order.  Rarely you'll see a bottle in a store, or on a restaurant menu.  For many years it's been considered one of the best red wines out of California, and from my experience it is. It's not all that expensive, either, except I did see a bottle of Turley white for well over $100 recently.  I was confused.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on October 02, 2014, 11:00:27 am
Kind words, Neil, and I agree with you regarding the quality of the wine (admittedly, I'm biased because I help make the stuff). 

Roughly 75% of our wine is sold direct on the Mailing List, the rest going out into distribution.  So, you can find them in wine shops and on restaurant lists, but as Neil pointed out the markup can be pretty high. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 04, 2014, 11:29:30 am
MLB.com with their top 50 Draft List (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=draft). Their initial assessment six months out: lotsa pitching but light on position players with Rodgers, Matuella and Aiken the clear leaders at this early stage.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on December 05, 2014, 10:01:32 am
MLB.com with their top 50 Draft List (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=draft). Their initial assessment six months out: lotsa pitching but light on position players with Rodgers, Matuella and Aiken the clear leaders at this early stage.

I'd be shocked if Aiken went top 5.  (Especially given the Astros have 2 of those picks).  And top 10 is likely a long shot.  After that though the gamble is likely worth it.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: hostros7 on December 05, 2014, 10:24:20 am
I'd be shocked if Aiken went top 5.  (Especially given the Astros have 2 of those picks).  And top 10 is likely a long shot.  After that though the gamble is likely worth it.

Aiken's draft slot will be quite telling with regards to discerning whether or not the Astros were jerking him around. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on December 05, 2014, 10:48:27 am
Aiken's draft slot will be quite telling with regards to discerning whether or not the Astros were jerking him around. 

Depending on how high he goes, it may only be telling of how one club feels the Astros handled the situation.  Since other clubs won't have access to his medical records, if they feel he's the best option, even weighing possible medical problems, he could go pretty high.  That doesn't mean Luhnow handled the situation wrongly, just that another club may have handled it differently. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on December 05, 2014, 10:51:54 am
MLB.com with their top 50 Draft List (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=draft). Their initial assessment six months out: lotsa pitching but light on position players with Rodgers, Matuella and Aiken the clear leaders at this early stage.
Interesting that 4 of their top 6 are college players. Bodes well for the Astros if they're hoping to make up for some of the lost development time of what should've been 2014's 1/1 signing. A guy like Matuella or Buehler or Kirby is likely to reach the majors before Aiken even if Aiken had started his pro career this summer.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on December 05, 2014, 03:34:24 pm
Had a very similar thought reading over that list.  Several very advanced arms at the top who could make things very interesting for the Astros with the second and fifth picks.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: toddthebod on December 07, 2014, 04:56:25 pm
Are there any college power hitters in the draft like AJ Reed orJD Davis were last year?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Astrofan59 on December 07, 2014, 05:24:12 pm
Really hoping some hitters step up, and at least one, but preferably two, gets selected in the first round.  If not, I really like Bickford.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on December 08, 2014, 08:45:46 am
Are there any college power hitters in the draft like AJ Reed orJD Davis were last year?
Going off the above list, the top college guys that project to hit for power are Gio Brusa (#34) and Chris Shaw (#39). Obviously, the industry consensus will change a lot between now and June, but you also have to wonder if teams will grab them higher simply because of the scarcity of college power (and good college hitters overall). Maybe even work out below-slot deals like the Cubs did with Schwarber this year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on December 08, 2014, 09:16:16 am
Going off the above list, the top college guys that project to hit for power are Gio Brusa (#34) and Chris Shaw (#39). Obviously, the industry consensus will change a lot between now and June, but you also have to wonder if teams will grab them higher simply because of the scarcity of college power (and good college hitters overall). Maybe even work out below-slot deals like the Cubs did with Schwarber this year.

Maybe, but that was also a theme this year.  The catch with Reed and Davis was that they didn't have a lot of positional value.  If Davis was considered a 3B entering the draft, he may have gone a little higher, but he was stuck behind a very good defensive 3B on the depth chart.  So, he didn't have a lot of opportunity to play there.  He's not Brooks Robinson over there now, but he's at least getting a shot to show he can handle a more demanding position. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 10, 2015, 01:11:15 pm
Tracy Ringolsby reports (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/106084106/tracy-ringolsby-ryan-express-kept-rolling-after-elbow-injury):

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[Aiken] has yet to enroll in a school this winter. The expectation is he will attend the IMG Academy, which offers a developmental program in a variety of sports, including baseball, and has a prep school as part of its program, which will allow him to re-enter the Draft next June. Former Reds third baseman Chris Sabo is the head coach of the IMG Academy baseball program.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2015, 11:30:55 am
And Jacob Nix will also be attending the IMG Academy, per this tweet (https://twitter.com/MBakerTBTimes/status/554688113331961856) from Mark Baker (@MBakerTBTimes) of the Tampa Bay Times.

And here's the press release (http://www.imgacademy.com/latest-headlines/2015-01-12/2014-mlb-draftee-jacob-nix-enrolls-img-academy) from IMG Academy announcing his enrollment.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 13, 2015, 11:33:38 am
And Jacob Nix will also be attending the IMG Academy, per this tweet (https://twitter.com/MBakerTBTimes/status/554688113331961856) from Mark Baker (@MBakerTBTimes) of the Tampa Bay Times.

And here's the press release (http://www.imgacademy.com/latest-headlines/2015-01-12/2014-mlb-draftee-jacob-nix-enrolls-img-academy) from IMG Academy announcing his enrollment.

Here's this from a McTaggart piece (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/106238490/prospect-jacob-nix-enrolls-at-img-academy-eyes-15-draft):

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Dan Simonds, director of baseball at IMG, said Nix will get about 8-10 starts for the IMG post-graduate team, which he compared to a good junior college-level team. The post-grad team, which is made up of recent high school graduates, will face JUCO teams and Division III junior varsity teams.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 20, 2015, 06:03:44 pm
College baseball junkies rejoice as ESPN announces 100 SEC games (http://www.secsports.com/article/12198559/2015-sec-baseball-tv-schedule) to be carried this spring on SEC Network, ESPNU, etc. As far as showcasing top draft prospects, Vandy (RHP Walker Buehler, INF Dansby Swanson, RHP Carson Fulmer, RHP Tyler Ferguson) and Florida (SS Richie Martin) will each have 12 games televised and LSU (SS Alex Bregman, OF Andrew Stevenson) 13 games. Tennessee (OF Christin Stewart) gets on the tube 11 times, the Aggies (RHP Grayson Long) will have 10 games on TV and ditto for Bama (SS Mikey White), Kentucky (RHP Kyle Cody) 9 games. Cincinnati (OF Ian Happ), Clemson (OF Steven Duggar) and Florida State (OF D.J. Stewart) all show up in a pair of non-conference games while Louisville (RHP Kyle Funkhouser), Miami (LHP Andrew Suarez) and Arizona (SS Kevin Newman) are televised once apiece.

Also, the entire SEC tournament will be nationally televised for the 1st time.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 23, 2015, 03:47:34 pm
Callis says it's still unknown (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/107241074/what-are-the-options-for-2014-no-1-overall-draft-pick-brady-aiken) as to where Brady Aiken will be pitching. Touches on the four options: JUCO (though that's pretty unlikely now given how late it's gotten), IMG Academy, indy league and working out in front of MLB scouts.

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"We're trying to figure out where he's going to pitch, just like you are," an executive from a team with an early first-round selection said. "He definitely would be in our mix if he gets to us, and we'd like to get our eyes on him and his medical reports as soon as we can."


Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on January 25, 2015, 07:33:38 am
Michael Matuella pitched in an intrasquad game yesterday in front of about 30 scouts. This was the first time he had pitched in a while, after taking off the summer and fall.

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Matuella pounded both sides of the plate with a devastating fastball and showed the ability to finish his delivery and hammer the bottom of the zone. In his first inning, the fastball sat 93-95 mph and touched 96, featuring plus movement, with run to the armside and natural sink. In his second inning, Matuella maintained movement and command, although his velocity dropped to 91-92. This is not a concern, however, because Matuella had yet to pitch at full speed this spring.

He also showed a good changeup, which was considered his most impressive pitch of the day. The pitch projects as at least above-average at the MLB level. He also threw a slurve in warmups, which showed promise.

Now, the reason he hadn't pitched since last season:

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Matuella was diagnosed this summer with spondylolysis, a common and manageable condition. Between 3 to 7 percent of the American population has spondylolysis, according to the Cleveland Clinic, which defines it as “a specific defect in the connection between vertebrae.”

I had never heard of this condition, but the above-referenced clinic also says this about the condition:

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This defect can lead to small stress fractures (breaks) in the vertebrae that can weaken the bones so much that one slips out of place, a condition called spondylolisthesis. Spondylolysis is a very common cause of low back pain...

Conservative treatment—rest, medication, exercise, and bracing—is often successful at relieving pain and swelling, especially when treatment is started early. A majority of people can have a significant reduction in pain and can return to normal activities following early treatment of spondylolysis.

If you have spondylolysis, it is important to choose activities and sports that do not place your lower back at risk for injury. Swimming and biking are possible options.

Good for the guy that he was able to start treatment, but I wonder how much this will affect his draft position; pitching 200 innings a season is not exactly swimming. Maybe he'll have no problems over the next 10 years, but I can't see teams not wanting access to his medicals before dropping $5M+ and a high pick for the guy.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-impresses-first-outing-spring/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-impresses-first-outing-spring/)
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/hic_your_back_and_neck/hic_Spondylolysis (http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/hic_your_back_and_neck/hic_Spondylolysis)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 26, 2015, 06:17:19 pm
Aggie LHP Tyler Stubblefield, a likely top 10 round pick, out with torn ACL (per various tweets).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on January 27, 2015, 08:58:26 am
Aggie LHP Tyler Stubblefield, a likely top 10 round pick, out with torn ACL (per various tweets).

Interesting perhaps someone to snag with the compensation pick
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BUWebguy on January 27, 2015, 12:07:33 pm
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An executive from a team with an early first-round selection said ... "we'd like to get our eyes on him and his medical reports as soon as we can."

What medical reports would a team be getting before the draft? Wasn't that what caused this whole problem with Aiken in the first place?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 27, 2015, 04:30:10 pm
What medical reports would a team be getting before the draft? Wasn't that what caused this whole problem with Aiken in the first place?

There's nothing that prevents clubs from *asking* for medicals prior to the draft. The normal response would be a stiff-arm from the player and his representatives. But where there's already significant questions as to a player's health, it generally behooves them to go ahead and provide such information. With what happened with the Astros, the only way Aiken/Close are going to get anything close to what was offered previously is for them to be upfront and disclose this.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on January 28, 2015, 11:41:28 am
Exactly. Some players even take the initiative and share their medicals with teams, usually if they've had a recent injury or health questions. The college LHP (Freeman?) that the Rocks took in the 1st round last year, for example.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on January 29, 2015, 07:47:01 am
I am sure the Astros knew all of the details of Ruiz's rib issue when they drafted him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2015, 02:00:46 am
JUCO season started up Friday.

As we all painfully remember, LHP Mac Marshall detoured to the JUCO ranks after everything unraveled. He was of course originally headed to LSU. Anyway, Perfect Game has him ranked the #2 overall JUCO prospect heading into the season. He made his debut Friday for his Chipola squad which lost a doubleheader in a Clearwater, Fla tourney. Struggled, giving up 4 runs in 2 innings though he did strike out four.

That Indians team is relatively loaded, prospect-wise. 1B/OF Isiah Gilliam was drafted in the 23rd round by the Cubs last year and is from the same Georgia HS as Marshall. PG has him ranked the #5 JUCO prospect. SS Reese Cooley was a 26th round pick by the Indians last year and PG has him as the #9 JUCO prospect.

Gilliam had three hits in one of those losses, against San Jac. The Gators have a top draft prospect of their own: RHP Riley Smith, who got the win versus Chipola while giving up a run on 6 hits in five frames. PG has him as the #4 JUCO prospect. Trivia: both Jose Bautista and Russell Martin played at Chipola before being drafted as did Buck Showalter before going on to Mississippi State.

All four guys mentioned are candidates to go in the top 10 rounds of this year's draft (if not higher), although Smith is an LSU commit which may drop him to the later rounds.

A few other JUCO names to know along with their schools, PG ranking and anything else relevant (or even not-so-relevant):

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on January 31, 2015, 07:55:42 am
Are Aiken and Nix not officially in JUCO yet?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on January 31, 2015, 08:18:47 am
JUCO season started up Friday.

Thanks for the info. I'll probably be headed out to Colorado again for the JUCO WS this hear, and Yavapai, College of Southern Nevada, Chipola, and San Jac are frequent members of the field there, so I may get a chance to watch some of these guys.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 31, 2015, 02:22:35 pm
Are Aiken and Nix not officially in JUCO yet?

I've posted about both earlier in this thread. Nix will not be in JUCO as he's enrolled at IMG Academy instead. Due to enrollment considerations (see this previously referenced Jim Callis article (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/107241074/what-are-the-options-for-2014-no-1-overall-draft-pick-brady-aiken)), JUCO now appears out for Aiken. That leaves him three options: IMG Academy, indy league or simply working out in front of scouts.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on January 31, 2015, 03:17:24 pm
I've posted about both earlier in this thread. Nix will not be in JUCO as he's enrolled at IMG Academy instead. Due to enrollment considerations (see this previously referenced Jim Callis article (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/107241074/what-are-the-options-for-2014-no-1-overall-draft-pick-brady-aiken)), JUCO now appears out for Aiken. That leaves him three options: IMG Academy, indy league or simply working out in front of scouts.

Doesn't seem like he's running out their to prove the Astros were wrong
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 01, 2015, 10:56:17 am
I've posted about both earlier in this thread. Nix will not be in JUCO as he's enrolled at IMG Academy instead. Due to enrollment considerations (see this previously referenced Jim Callis article (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/107241074/what-are-the-options-for-2014-no-1-overall-draft-pick-brady-aiken)), JUCO now appears out for Aiken. That leaves him three options: IMG Academy, indy league or simply working out in front of scouts.
Thanks. I lost track amidst all the boring "what will Aiken and Nix do??" drama.

Doesn't seem like he's running out their to prove the Astros were wrong
It sure doesn't. Perhaps he will end up throwing a HS season's worth of innings by June, but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being limited to much less than that. I suspect Close's petulance has cost his client a couple million bucks or more.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on February 01, 2015, 02:20:03 pm
It sure doesn't. Perhaps he will end up throwing a HS season's worth of innings by June, but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being limited to much less than that. I suspect Close's petulance has cost his client a couple million bucks or more.

I don't see how he comes out ahead financially. The Astros have 2 of the top 5 picks and we know they aren't drafting him.  I imagine the other three teams will be hesitant, too.

I'm looking forward to the Drellich article in June that is some Aiken sob story all caused by the Astros FO and their computers.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 01, 2015, 04:41:46 pm
I don't see how he comes out ahead financially. The Astros have 2 of the top 5 picks and we know they aren't drafting him.  I imagine the other three teams will be hesitant, too.

I'm looking forward to the Drellich article in June that is some Aiken sob story all caused by the Astros FO and their computers.

It's possible, but there aren't a lot of ways for it to happen. The D-Backs have the straight 1 pick in each round, plus pick 74 (end of Comp Round B). We have the most flexibility, but won't be touching him. The Rockies have 3, 28, 38, and 48, though, so if they were inclined, they could give him the original $6.5M, if the D-Backs didn't pick him first. At 4, the Rangers, after slot increases, could come close to $5M without decreasing their other slots. With a senior sign, or two, in the first 10 rounds, they could do an extra half million, or so. After that, a team would have to be really creative to give him $5M+.

He will be picked, he's the best talent in the class. He will pitch this spring, somewhere. I don't see him sitting out the season and just pitching in tryouts; that, to me, would signal a major concern in the health of his elbow on his agent's part, were that to happen. So, I imagine he'll pitch in independent ball or IMG to prove himself. But, the less he pitches, the less likely it is that he gets that $5M+.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 04, 2015, 04:03:22 pm

As we all painfully remember, LHP Mac Marshall detoured to the JUCO ranks after everything unraveled. He was of course originally headed to LSU. Anyway, Perfect Game has him ranked the #2 overall JUCO prospect heading into the season. He made his debut Friday for his Chipola squad which lost a doubleheader in a Clearwater, Fla tourney. Struggled, giving up 4 runs in 2 innings though he did strike out four.

That Indians team is relatively loaded, prospect-wise. 1B/OF Isiah Gilliam was drafted in the 23rd round by the Cubs last year and is from the same Georgia HS as Marshall. PG has him ranked the #5 JUCO prospect. SS Reese Cooley was a 26th round pick by the Indians last year and PG has him as the #9 JUCO prospect.


Just noticed that C/1B Ryan McCullers is on that Chipola squad as well. Yes, he's the brother/son of the Lances.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 04, 2015, 10:32:33 pm
Just noticed that C/1B Ryan McCullers is on that Chipola squad as well. Yes, he's the brother/son of the Lances.
Berkman and Armstrong had a baby?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 05, 2015, 06:38:04 pm
Apparently the first in a series of articles (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/108429596/path-to-the-draft-top-prospect-brendan-rodgers-works-daily-to-keep-his-dream-going) as MLB.com follows #1 draft prospect SS Brendan Rodgers from now until June 8th.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 06, 2015, 02:11:15 am
The DII schedule got cranked up this week. Perhaps the two highest ratest prospects at that level pitch just 15 miles away from one another, RHP Cody Ponce at Cal Poly Pomona and Azusa Pacific's RHP Josh Staumont.

Ponce is 6'6"/240 and had an outstanding season this past summer (http://www.broncoathletics.com/news/2014/9/1/BB_0901141523.aspx?path=baseball) in the Cape Cod League (CCL). He's projected as a 1st-rounder on a number of early draft boards (ranked #20 at MLB.com, #11 at FG, #24 at BA).

Staumont is a 6'2"/205 fireballer with control issues who falls right now into the 51-100 range in terms of draft rankings. Walked 19 in 21 IP in the CCL this past summer. He saw action on Thursday in the 1st game of a DH against CSU-Monterey Bay:

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Ronit Shah ‏@Rontrarian  5h ago
Josh Staumont, perhaps the hardest thrower in this draft, went 4 innings today. 7 strikeouts, 5 walks, 2 hits, 1 earned run.

Ponce may pitch today when Pomona starts its season against Dixie State at Bruce Hurst Field in St. George, Utah. And we may see a Ponce/Staumont matchup next Friday as AP and Cal Poly kick off a 2-game series.

CPP and AP each had 3 players selected in last June's MLB draft.

ETA:

Just noticed this article (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10866) on the two pitchers over at Perfect Game.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 06, 2015, 03:43:26 am
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Dave Coggin ‏@PFAbaseball  5h ago
Jake Nix IMG Academy in FL was 95-96 through 4 inning 7k's no walks 1 hit in his first outing.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on February 06, 2015, 09:04:27 am
The draft has been moved to July 1st. This piece discusses some of the ramifications of that. http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2015/2/6/7961855/the-death-of-the-mlb-june-draft
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 06, 2015, 12:14:20 pm
Pretty sure that's just a possible change for future years, not this one, or any as yet.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on February 06, 2015, 01:29:22 pm
Pretty sure that's just a possible change for future years, not this one, or any as yet.

You are right. Apparently a meeting of the minds to do so after this years' June draft.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 07, 2015, 03:21:38 pm
Phil Bickford struck out 8 in 4.2 IP in the opener for Southern Nevada last weekend. In his 2nd start today:

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Eric Longenhagen ‏@longenhagen  2h ago
Phil Bickford likely done after 5 no-hit innings. Fastball 90-92, touched 94. Slider 78-81 flashing plus.

Turns out he did go out for the 6th inning but his velocity was down and his fastball was up. Ended up going 5 2/3 with 3 runs allowed on a HR. 9 Ks, 3 BBs.

 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 07, 2015, 09:24:03 pm
BA noted the same with his pitches, noting that he hasn't thrown a changeup this season, yet.

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Bickford has a chance to improve his draft stock from 2013, especially if he can continue to showcase the overpowering stuff he unleashed in the Cape Cod League this summer. His fastball sat in the mid-90s and bumped the high 90s in a relief role this summer, but he often pitched with an average fastball in a starting role this spring. He’ll need to prove he can maintain electric stuff as a starter—and show more consistent secondary stuff—in order to be drafted in the top 10 picks again this year.

The article also mentions that he reportedly wanted $4.25M to turn pro out of high school. Fullerton can be a hard school to pull kids away from, so I wonder if his demands will be as high this time around. He would perform a big favor for himself if he could bump his fastball back to the same 90-96 MPH pitch he had as a senior, with great life and command. Otherwise, he may find himself at a third college next year.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-phil-bickford/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-phil-bickford/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2015, 01:56:58 am
Some might recall Ronit Shah for the information he provided on Mark Appel's starts last year at Lancaster. He also tracks many of the amateur draft prospects in and around SoCal (and writes about them for FG). Definitely a guy to follow on the twitterverse if you're a draft junkie.

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Ronit Shah ‏@Rontrarian  15m ago
UCLA 6'4" LHP Hunter Virant missed all of '14 (injury), but is back on the mound now & draft eligible. Some video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d-lNCIXt0A …

Virant of course was drafted out of HS by the Astros in the 11th round in 2012 but DNS.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2015, 02:23:15 am
And a third report (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10880) on Bickford's start, this one from Perfect Game:

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Without question [the fastball] plays much better than the number typically would indicate. The four-seamer explodes on hitters due to his outstanding extension which we’ll touch on shortly. The slider is an average pitch on its own, a little slurvy at times but most often a strike. It sat around 80 mph but didn’t have great depth.

But as the article suggests (and astrosfan76 has already noted), that reliever profile may make a top 10 pick and a $4.25MM salary demand a tad optimistic this time round.

Great read--check out the entire article.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 08, 2015, 08:21:03 am
I was about to post the PG article myself. It really is worth reading. He breaks down his mechanics and what goes into what he describes as an "elite" pitch that "made him giggle". That label sounds contradictory to what BA calls an average pitch, but it seems they (BA) are focusing more on velocity than the overall effectiveness of the pitch.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on February 08, 2015, 01:57:50 pm
Some might recall Ronit Shah for the information he provided on Mark Appel's starts last year at Lancaster. He also tracks many of the amateur draft prospects in and around SoCal (and writes about them for FG). Definitely a guy to follow on the twitterverse if you're a draft junkie.

Virant of course was drafted out of HS by the Astros in the 11th round in 2012 but DNS.

Do you know anything about where Virant may be taken this year? Higher than round 11? Was his injury arm-related?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2015, 04:02:33 pm
Do you know anything about where Virant may be taken this year? Higher than round 11? Was his injury arm-related?

Stress fracture in his back. That after pitching in just 5 games as a freshman. He would have gone much higher back in 2012 but the UCLA commit scared teams off until the Astros popped him in the 11th round (going in to the draft, BA had him ranked at #53). He may still be ranked 2nd-5th round talent-wise but he's got to show he's healthy this spring. As a draft-eligible sophomore, Virant has plenty of leverage so signability could again be an issue.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on February 08, 2015, 07:55:48 pm
Stress fracture in his back. That after pitching in just 5 games as a freshman. He would have gone much higher back in 2012 but the UCLA commit scared teams off until the Astros popped him in the 11th round (going in to the draft, BA had him ranked at #53). He may still be ranked 2nd-5th round talent-wise but he's got to show he's healthy this spring. As a draft-eligible sophomore, Virant has plenty of leverage so signability could again be an issue.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 09, 2015, 01:10:55 pm
Phil Bickford, ad nauseum:

Eric Longenhagen (see his earlier tweet above) has a more complete report (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/former-1st-rounder-phil-bickford-solid-in-2015-debut/) including video on Bickford's start for FG.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 09, 2015, 04:57:33 pm
With the Shields signing the last piece, BA has the final draft order here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-order-2/) and if you scroll down to the second table they estimate the Astros bonus pool at $17,977,283.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 10, 2015, 06:31:51 pm
With the Shields signing the last piece, BA has the final draft order here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-order-2/) and if you scroll down to the second table they estimate the Astros bonus pool at $17,977,283.

MLB.com says (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/108860340/the-order-is-set-for-the-2015-mlb-first-year-player-draft) $17,370,400 using a 9% estimated increase as opposed to BA's 13%.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 11, 2015, 07:45:03 pm
PG article (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10873) about what they say is a strong HS class out of Florida this year (though there are a couple of 2016 kids in there as well). Rodgers, Tucker, RHP Austin Smith, RHP Triston McKenzie and OF Daniel Reyes of that group have been previously identified as possible 1st rounders/early 2nd rounders.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 12, 2015, 05:01:43 pm
Don't think it adds anything to what we already knew about Matuella (spondylolisis, developed his changeup) but still a nice  article (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10897) discussing his history.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 12:47:27 am
Some injury news:

1) Vandy righty Walker Buehler, ranked as high as#4 in some draft lists, is suffering from a sore elbow (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-eligible-players-injury-concerns/).

2) U of Virginia OF Joe McCarthy had back surgery several weeks ago and will miss 3 months (http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2015-01-30/virginia-outfielder-joe-mccarthy-out-12-weeks-after-undergoing-back) of the season. If healthy, he's a likely late 1st-rounder/early 2nd-rounder.

3) SoCal HSer Tyler Nevin is apparently healthy again (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10874) after having TJS that caused him to miss his entire junior season. Talent-wise, he appears to be a 3rd-5th round pick but a UCLA commit could drop him to later rounds. Yes, he's the son of that guy and of course is a 3B.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 02:30:50 am
Week of 2/13

D1 season starts today. A couple of televised games in the upcoming week if you're interested in checking out draft prospects. The TCU game on Sunday vs Southern Illinois is on FSSW+. The Horned Frogs have a bevy of top-notch pitching talent: LHP Alex Young, RHP Riley Ferrell (closer), LHP Tyler Alexander, RHP Mitchell Traver, RHP Preston Morrison. I think I read Alexander is scheduled to start that game against the Salukis.

The UTSA vs UT game on Tuesday is on LHN (as are all home games for the Horns). Not the strongest of draft groups I don't believe from the Forty Acres except for SS C.J. Hinojosa. The Klein Collins product was of course drafted by the Astros in the 26th round back in 2012. Maybe a 2nd rounder this year. Other lesser names on the team to watch for during the season: OF Ben Johnson, RHP Chad Hollingsworth (moving into the starting rotation this season), RHP Parker French (Tigers' 19th-rounder last year). Those who follow the the Longhorns closer than I can throw out other draft-eligible guys to keep an eye on. C John Bormann from Seguin and RHP Brock Hartson (Pearland HS) are a couple of Roadrunners draft prospects. The latter is the Friday starter for UTSA so you're not going to see him versus the Horns. Like French, Bormann was drafted in the 19th round last year but turned down the Angels and their $100K offer.

If HRs increase significantly in D1 this year, this'll be the reason why (http://www.d1baseball.com/analysis/survey-says-hail-new-balls/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on February 13, 2015, 08:14:36 am
Thanks for all the info.  Is Hinojosa eligible, and is the second round the current projection?  I was very impressed by him last year, and was curious what round correlated to his level of talent.  Second round seems about right, but I would think mid to low 1st round is still possible.

Compared to the those voicing opinions in the article, I have only seen a tiny fraction of college baseball, but I enjoyed the low scoring last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on February 13, 2015, 08:52:14 am
Thanks for all the info.  Is Hinojosa eligible, and is the second round the current projection?  I was very impressed by him last year, and was curious what round correlated to his level of talent.  Second round seems about right, but I would think mid to low 1st round is still possible.

Compared to the those voicing opinions in the article, I have only seen a tiny fraction of college baseball, but I enjoyed the low scoring last year.

Normally, I far prefer a low scoring game, but they had so deadened the bats that I wass watching kids who clearly squared up a pitch who had power drive the ball not even to the warning track. They've reduced the seams on the ball this year in an attempt to increase offense. At LSU this fall, the new ball produced about 50% more homeruns.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on February 13, 2015, 11:15:38 am
Thanks for all the info.  Is Hinojosa eligible, and is the second round the current projection?  I was very impressed by him last year, and was curious what round correlated to his level of talent.  Second round seems about right, but I would think mid to low 1st round is still possible.

Compared to the those voicing opinions in the article, I have only seen a tiny fraction of college baseball, but I enjoyed the low scoring last year.

I don't go to baseball games for dingers, but there is a lost element when the threat of a homer is almost completely removed from the game.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 04:43:48 pm
Is Hinojosa eligible, and is the second round the current projection?  I was very impressed by him last year, and was curious what round correlated to his level of talent.  Second round seems about right, but I would think mid to low 1st round is still possible.

Hinojosa is a junior and thus eligible. There seems to be a relatively deep crop of shortstops this year. Beyond Brendan Rodgers, draft gurus tend to like Alex Bregman, Dansby Swanson, Richie Martin, Kevin Newman, Mikey White and a few others a bit more than Hinojosa. Thus, he tends to fall in to 2nd-4th round territory in these early, early draft rankings. Given the Astros familiarity with him, certainly a guy to keep an eye on as far as a possibility at #37 or #46.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 05:11:36 pm
I don't have access to the full article but in the tease K. Law has this to say (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post?id=3605) about Jacob Nix's showing last night:

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Nix threw on Thursday night in front of about 50 scouts, his second outing already this spring, and he's already improved his stock since last year. Nix has added about 25 pounds of muscle, and he looks perfectly built for major league workloads. If he builds up his arm strength to where he can hold 92-94 for six innings by the end of the spring, he's got a good chance to go in the back of the first round thanks to his size, stuff and the fact that he's already a bit famous. (It never hurts you in the draft to be well-known.)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 09:41:26 pm
And we may see a Ponce/Staumont matchup next Friday as AP and Cal Poly kick off a 2-game series.

Ponce went 4 1/3 tonight with no runs, 6 k's and threw 66 pitches because of a strict pitch count. Staumont was done after 5 2/3 with 5 walks and 9 k's.

According to Kylie McDaniel:
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@kileymcd  4 hours ago
Cody Ponce-Josh Staumont matchup going as expected: Staumont hit 100 w/inconsistent CB & walks, Ponce commanding 92-94 t95, flashing plus SL
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 13, 2015, 11:54:09 pm
Matuella and Duke ventured to PAC 12 country to open the season against Cal.

One report says his velo was sitting 95 in 1st inning and touching 97 (another said 93-96). Apparently dropped after that.

His final line: 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 8 K. Three of the hits were INF singles.

And there was this:

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Chris Crawford @CrawfordChrisV  ·  3 hours ago
Sitting behind a GM who has a top three pick this year. Let the rumor mongering begin!

Did Luhnow tag along with Crane and Kibbe on the Pebble Beach trip? :)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 14, 2015, 09:45:07 am
I'd be more surprised if he wasn't there. I imagine they'll have someone important at every one of his starts.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 14, 2015, 01:14:02 pm
Another guy who could have someone trailing all his starts: Nathan Kirby.  In a game that started at 32 degrees, he sat at 92-94, before dipping slightly to 91-93 later in the game. He had good, late action, with deception on the pitch, as well as an above-average slider and even better changeup. The changeup is a pitch that has improved and with three abover-average pitches, could help him go very high on draft day.

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10898 (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10898)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 14, 2015, 03:32:12 pm
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keithlaw @keithlaw  ·  44 minutes ago
Heard ex-closer Dillon Tate has been 94-96 today as a starter for UCSB, touching 98.

Finished his day against BYU, going 6.2 IP 3 H 0 R 2 W 8 K.

The 6’2/185 righty for the Gauchos has shown up as high as late 1st round on a number of early draft boards.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 14, 2015, 03:45:52 pm
Ponce went 4 1/3 tonight with no runs, 6 k's and threw 66 pitches because of a strict pitch count. Staumont was done after 5 2/3 with 5 walks and 9 k's.

Video on Staumont (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAozwMSE4yM) from that game.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 14, 2015, 03:55:38 pm
More (http://www.d1baseball.com/at-the-ballpark/game-report-dukes-matuella-bests-cals-jefferies/) on the Matuella start last night:

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Michael Matuella lived up to the billing of a potential No. 1 overall draft pick with six smooth, scoreless innings. In the first inning, he sat 93-96 mph and mowed through the top of the Cal lineup, needing just 11 pitches to strike out the side. More impressive was the way he moved the ball in and out and relied on his offspeed pitches later in the outing once Cal started making better contact with his fastball, which dropped to 88-92 mph after the first frame.

Also reiterated earlier reports from this spring that the changeup he's added to his arsenal has quickly become his best pitch.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 15, 2015, 02:58:52 am
The 6’2/185 righty for the Gauchos [Dillon Tate] has shown up as high as late 1st round on a number of early draft boards.

Aaron Fitt of D1BASEBALL.com (formerly with BA) says in this column (http://www.d1baseball.com/analysis/ten-thoughts-saturday-feb-14/) that after Saturday's showing if Tate continues his successful conversion to starter he may be a darkhorse guy to go 1/1.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 15, 2015, 03:34:53 am
Vandy may have the best pitching staff in the country but that didn't much faze Jose Vizcaino, Jr of Santa Clara University this weekend. Vizcaino is the Broncos' best player and showed it by going 5-10 with 5 walks and 2 steals against the Dores in the 3-game opening season series. Like his old man, Jose plays SS. He was drafted in the 36th round in 2012 by the Dodgers (his dad then and now works in their front office). Coming into the season, the junior was projected as a middle-round pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 16, 2015, 04:19:00 pm
BA recaps opening day weekend results (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-draft-prospects-stat-roundup-week-1-4/) for the top draft prospects from the college ranks.

As far as pitchers as possibilities to go in the top 5, in addition to Matuella and Kirby keep an eye on Kyle Funkhouser of Louisville. Absolutely dominant in his initial start (7 IP 1 H 0 R 1 W 12 K) even though the competition may not have been the strongest in Alabama State.

Another top 5 candidate, Vandy's Walker Beuhler, was held out due to that sore elbow.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2015, 01:45:51 pm
...Kirby keep an eye on Kyle Funkhouser of Louisville. Absolutely dominant in his initial start (7 IP 1 H 0 R 1 W 12 K) even though the competition may not have been the strongest in Alabama State.

Eyewitness report plus video (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25596&utm_content=buffer929a8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) of that Funkhouser start.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2015, 03:30:35 pm
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Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersD1  16m ago
Heard good things about @DBU_Baseball RHP Brandon Koch. Confirmed today he was 96-98 mph opening weekend w/ wipeout 86-88 SL. #mlbdraft

6'1" 185 RHP closer for Dallas Baptist. Junior. DBU has upcoming games against Baylor (including tonight), TCU and TAMU for those who might be in attendance.

Projected 3rd-5th rounder.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Ebby Calvin on February 17, 2015, 10:14:06 pm
I could root for a guy named Funkhouser.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: hostros7 on February 17, 2015, 10:47:23 pm
I could root for a guy named Funkhouser.

I assume that he is the son of Marty and grew up a big Dodgers fan.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 18, 2015, 11:40:37 pm
Week of 2/20

Upcoming TV games this week with some draft prospect action.

The Rice games versus Arizona on Friday, Saturday and Sunday will all be televised on PAC 12 Network. Draft-eligible soph RHP Jon Duplantier is a potential 1st-rounder but has yet to pitch due to some shoulder soreness. Fellow RHP Kevin McCanna got the Friday start opening weekend against UT. He went in the 22nd round out of The Woodlands in 2012 and is a candidate to go top 10 rounds this time. Other Owls to know for the draft: SS Leon Byrd (25th-rounder in 2012 out of Cy Ranch) and LHP Blake Fox (Saturday starter against UT). The primary draft prospect for the Wildcats is SS Kevin Newman. He’s the first guy in Cape Cod League (CCL) history to win back to back batting titles. He was the 9th-ranked prospect in that league by BA this past summer and is being talked up as a potential 1st-rounder. Another Wildcat to look for: converted OF and leadoff hitter 2B Scott Kingery.

Saturday will see the SEC Network televise a couple of games. Florida State vs Georgia features Noles OF DJ Stewart. Most early draft boards have him pegged as a late 1st-rounder. The other game is Miami vs Florida. The Canes have LHP Andrew Suarez and 3B David Thompson while the Gators squad includes SS Richie Martin, OF Harrison Bader and RHP Eric Hanhold. Suarez, a red-shirt junior, was picked 57th overall by the Nationals in 2014 and obviously is looking to go even higher in the draft in 2015. He’s the Friday starter so you won’t seem him in this game. Thompson has a strong arm (he was recruited to Miami as a QB) but draft reports say he’s headed to 1B in the pros. Struggled with injuries last season but bounced back to be one of the better prospects in the CCL over the summer. Maybe a 3rd-rounder at this stage.

Martin is one of a number of college shortstops that could go in the 1st round. Bader is Florida’s cleanup hitter and is batting a silly .600/.684/1.400 after 4 games. Coming into the season, he was considered top 5 round potential. Ditto for Hanhold (though he may have suffered an injury in the early going).

The Horns take on Minnesota for four games this weekend (including a DH on Saturday) with all games on LHN. The Golden Gophers have a couple of guys to check out in LHP Dalton Sawyer and (to a lesser extent) RHP Lance Thonvold. If opening weekend against the Coogs is any indication, the 6’5” 210 lb Sawyer should start one of the games on Saturday at Disch-Falk. The 6’5” 245 lb Thonvold has struggled with control out of the bullpen.

The UT-Pan American game next Tuesday against UT is also on LHN.

Also next Tuesday the PAC 12 Network will televise UCLA vs Long Beach State. You’re not going to see RHP James Kaprielian or RHP Cody Poteet as they’re the Friday and Sunday starters, respectively. Kaprielian is a possible 1st-rounder while Poteet may be a 2nd-5th round guy. OF Ty Moore has top 10 round potential. LHP Hunter Virant is being used out of the bullpen in the early going and was mentioned previously in the thread. If LBS has significant draft prospects, I don’t know their names. What do expect out of a bunch of Dirtbags?

This is not a comprehensive list of televised games, just some that caught my eye. Also note that a ton of games are being streamed online via ESPN3 and other websites.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Ron Brand on February 19, 2015, 07:23:17 am
Nate Colbert, you are just killing it. Killing it, sir! Thanks!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on February 19, 2015, 07:34:26 am
Nate Colbert, you are just killing it. Killing it, sir! Thanks!

+1,000 Most appreciated.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on February 19, 2015, 08:39:11 am
Get this man to the front page!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on February 19, 2015, 08:41:27 am
Get this man to the front page!

Front page of what?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: VirtualBob on February 19, 2015, 09:18:30 am
Front page of what?
There's a front page?  What's it there for?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Greg M on February 19, 2015, 09:59:42 am
I use it to increase my reflexes by clicking OWA forums before the "Thank you, Astros fans" video pops up.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 19, 2015, 10:24:58 pm
I use it to increase my reflexes by clicking OWA forums before the "Thank you, Astros fans" video pops up.
Why? It's barely 14 months old.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on February 20, 2015, 06:35:05 am
Why? It's barely 14 months old.

You should see his reflexes.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 20, 2015, 11:37:39 am
John Manuel ‏@johnmanuelba  22 minutes ago
Scouts in NC being informed that #Duke RHP Michael Matuella will not pitch this weekend due to forearm tightness.

ETA:
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36
Matuella hasn't thrown 60+ innings in first two years at Duke. Hasn't pitched in summer. This will add to teams' worries.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: MusicMan on February 20, 2015, 03:53:00 pm
John Manuel ‏@johnmanuelba  22 minutes ago
Scouts in NC being informed that #Duke RHP Michael Matuella will not pitch this weekend due to forearm tightness.

(/whistles "Farmer in the Dell")

Tommy John's a-comin'.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 20, 2015, 04:12:56 pm
Some pitching performances today (and yesterday):

1. Funkhouser bad (4.2 IP, 7H, 7 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 7 K, 2 HBP versus Arkansas State).
2. Kirby good (5 1/3 IP w/ 1 run allowed on 3 hits and 9 K's against not-so-juggernaut Marist).
3. Bickford very good (5 scoreless innings with 13 K's).*

*40 Ks versus just 6 BBs in 20.1 IP thus far on the year (against JUCO competition of course)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 20, 2015, 05:59:41 pm
John Manuel ‏@johnmanuelba  22 minutes ago
Scouts in NC being informed that #Duke RHP Michael Matuella will not pitch this weekend due to forearm tightness.

ETA:
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36
Matuella hasn't thrown 60+ innings in first two years at Duke. Hasn't pitched in summer. This will add to teams' worries.

Duke HC Chris Pollard said (http://www.d1baseball.com/news/dukes-matuella-to-miss-start-with-tightness/) after an MRI today:

“[Matuella] looks great. A little bit of inflammation in there, but the ligament looks great—no disruptions,” Pollard said. “(The doctor) didn’t anticipate he’ll have an issue with making his start next week. As soon as he’s symptom-free he’ll be good to get back out there.”
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 20, 2015, 11:21:20 pm
Some pitching performances today (and yesterday):

1. Funkhouser bad (4.2 IP, 7H, 7 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 7 K, 2 HBP versus Arkansas State).
2. Kirby good (5 1/3 IP w/ 1 run allowed on 3 hits and 9 K's against not-so-juggernaut Marist).
3. Bickford very good (5 scoreless innings with 13 K's).*

*40 Ks versus just 6 BBs in 20.1 IP thus far on the year (against JUCO competition of course)

Some other pitching performances:

4. Fulmer okay (5 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 W, 6 K, 1 WP, 1 HBP against Indiana State)
5. Suarez DNP (strained oblique)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 21, 2015, 07:58:52 pm
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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  2 hours ago
Buzz growing on Dillon Tate. Flashed good CH, holding 95. Its early but he's in top 5 picks right now, esp w/Matuella & Aiken durability ?'s.

The Gauchos pitcher went 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 W, 9 K in UCSB's 11-0 win today over the U of Kentucky.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on February 22, 2015, 03:20:31 pm
Very heady play yesterday by Arizona's Newman, walk off steal of home with 2 outs.  Rice pitcher never looked him back, so he took off on his own.

http://pac-12.com/videos/arizonas-kevin-newman-after-walk-win-over-rice
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on February 22, 2015, 05:06:01 pm
Very heady play yesterday by Arizona's Newman, walk off steal of home with 2 outs.  Rice pitcher never looked him back, so he took off on his own.

http://pac-12.com/videos/arizonas-kevin-newman-after-walk-win-over-rice

That 9th inning gave me a heart attack and a stroke. I would not have wanted to be on the same bus with Wayne Graham after that one.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 23, 2015, 10:24:29 am
Some more Dillon Tate video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzOOdSxb_Hw) via Kiley McDaniel.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 23, 2015, 07:13:57 pm
More on top 5 overall candidate Vandy RHP Walker Buehler and his elbow soreness (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-draft-prospects-stat-roundup-week-2-3/):

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Buehler experienced some elbow soreness when he reported back to Vanderbilt in the preseason, and the Commodores have taken their time building him back to full strength. Buehler threw a side session on Sunday, and felt no ill effects. He will throw in a simulated game situation in the next few days, and could be back on the mound in game action as soon as this weekend. His exact date of return isn’t clear right now, though, and his debut could be delayed until Vanderbilt travels to Southern California for the Dodgertown Classic on March 8.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 23, 2015, 10:03:58 pm
Of Pettittes and Biggios:

None of the guys mentioned are 2015 draft prospects and/or draft-eligible but still thought folks might be interested. Notre Dame played this past weekend at the Irish Alamo Invitational against the likes of Incarnate Word (twice), Villanova and Northwestern at Nelson Wolff Stadium. The Golden Domers won all 4 games by a combined 40-6 score. Sophomore 2B Cavan Biggio won ACC Player of the Week (http://www.und.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/022315aaa.html) honors by going .533/.733/.667 over the weekend. After 2 weekends of play, he's first or tied for first in the ACC in average (.516), hits (16), triples (2), doubles (6) and runs (11) and second or tied for second in total bases (26), on-base percentage (.625) and slugging percentage (.839). Started 52 games as a freshman though he struggled a bit hitting .246/.329/.353.

Senior OF Conor Biggio's ND career has not gone as well. He has a career .230/.359/.267 line in 3+ seasons and has played in only about half the Irish's games over that period.

And as you may have read, Josh Pettitte saw action in his first collegiate game yesterday for Rice.  Gave up a run on 2 hits while unleashing a WP in 1/3 of a frame against Arizona. Pettitte first attended Baylor but underwent TJS without seeing any action and thus he's a RS Fresh,a
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 24, 2015, 01:42:33 pm
The college guys are getting more attention because, well they're playing right now, but BA posted their Pre-season All-America list to give us a glimpse of some of the top prep talent. Notable "names" include Daz Cameron and Ke'Bryan Hayes (son of Charlie). Cameron has the better chance of going high in the draft, though neither may be a good option so our top picks (Hayes could be an option after the 1st round, if still available).

As for guys worth looking at with our top picks, Brendan Rodgers and Kolby Allard are the guys who look like options, at this point. Rodgers has a chance at going before we get a crack, but he's not as much of a slam-dunk as Rodon was last year before the season. Allard has similarities to Aiken, as a young-for-his-class LHP surfer boy from SoCal with similar velocity the summer after his junior season and a good curveball. Whether he takes the step up that Aiken did is yet to be seen, but he does have potential to do so. The one main difference between the two (besides fully-developed ligaments) is stature, as Allard goes by 6'2"/190 (175 in the summer) and Aiken stood a full 2 inches and ~25 pounds larger.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-preseason-high-school-americans/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-preseason-high-school-americans/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 24, 2015, 04:55:30 pm
Preston Tucker's bro Kyle isn't hurting himself (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/110249724/2015-mlb-draft-prospect-kyle-tucker-off-to-fast-start) in the early going:

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"He has the chance to really hit and drive the ball, fitting the profile of a corner bat," one scouting director said. "He's definitely helped his stock out so far this season, moving up into the top 20 picks or so."

"He hasn't hurt himself, for sure," a second scouting director agreed. "I'd say he could go in the middle of the first round, 11 to 20 would be my best guess as of now."
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 25, 2015, 04:21:59 pm
Matuella vs Tate (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/136575/), with more background on the latter.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 25, 2015, 05:50:22 pm
The DII schedule got cranked up this week. Perhaps the two highest ratest prospects at that level pitch just 15 miles away from one another, RHP Cody Ponce at Cal Poly Pomona and Azusa Pacific's RHP Josh Staumont.

Ponce is 6'6"/240 and had an outstanding season this past summer (http://www.broncoathletics.com/news/2014/9/1/BB_0901141523.aspx?path=baseball) in the Cape Cod League (CCL). He's projected as a 1st-rounder on a number of early draft boards (ranked #20 at MLB.com, #11 at FG, #24 at BA).

Per a Kiley McDaniel tweet, Ponce to miss several weeks with shoulder fatigue.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on February 25, 2015, 08:28:16 pm
This actually belongs in the 2009 draft thread, but whatever.

I was just answering some baseball questions for my wife, and the conversation drifted to Mike Trout and the fact that he was drafted relatively late. I couldn't remember the exact details, so I went back to baseball-reference.com to look them up. He was picked 25th: 24 teams (including the Astros, who picked the inimitable Gio Miers at #21) decided that there was somebody better than Trout. The only team who was close to right was the Nats, who took Strasburg with the #1. Makes one wonder what Trout's negatives were that caused people to pass. He was a high-schooler, so maybe he just blossomed late.

On the plus side, the Angels were actually using a Yankee pick (compensation for Texeira), so at least there's that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 25, 2015, 08:39:50 pm
This actually belongs in the 2009 draft thread, but whatever.

I was just answering some baseball questions for my wife, and the conversation drifted to Mike Trout and the fact that he was drafted relatively late. I couldn't remember the exact details, so I went back to baseball-reference.com to look them up. He was picked 25th: 24 teams (including the Astros, who picked the inimitable Gio Miers at #21) decided that there was somebody better than Trout. The only team who was close to right was the Nats, who took Strasburg with the #1. Makes one wonder what Trout's negatives were that caused people to pass. He was a high-schooler, so maybe he just blossomed late.

On the plus side, the Angels were actually using a Yankee pick (compensation for Texeira), so at least there's that.


The big thing with Trout was that he was from Jersey, so he was a cold-weather player. He didn't have the experience that others had, so he was more of a wild-card. Doesn't mean they didn't think he was talented (though, no one thought he would be "this" good), but they had less to go by.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: chuck on February 25, 2015, 10:49:47 pm
The big thing with Trout was that he was from Jersey, so he was a cold-weather player. He didn't have the experience that others had, so he was more of a wild-card. Doesn't mean they didn't think he was talented (though, no one thought he would be "this" good), but they had less to go by.

You can't figure out that a guy can play by watching him for five months a year? You need ten before you're really sure? I'm glad Correa's from Puerto Rico. Who knows what calamity might have befallen that year's draft if he were from somewhere north of the Tropic of Cancer.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 25, 2015, 11:34:31 pm
You can't figure out that a guy can play by watching him for five months a year? You need ten before you're really sure? I'm glad Correa's from Puerto Rico. Who knows what calamity might have befallen that year's draft if he were from somewhere north of the Tropic of Cancer.
less experienced = he was less developed as a player, I think. He was also really young for his class (as was Correa). Those two factors can often lead to a kid breaking out big once he gets into pro ball or college.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 26, 2015, 06:25:51 am
You can't figure out that a guy can play by watching him for five months a year? You need ten before you're really sure? I'm glad Correa's from Puerto Rico. Who knows what calamity might have befallen that year's draft if he were from somewhere north of the Tropic of Cancer.

From a Rosenthal article from last year (you can find similar recollections around the web):

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Bane, who is now a major-league scout with the Tigers, says a number of teams simply could not believe that a kid as good as Trout could be from Jersey.

Trout, coming out of Millville H.S., wasn’t exactly an unknown — Jeff Trout recalls the Athletics’ Billy Beane, Giants’ Brian Sabean and high-ranking officials from virtually every other team coming to see his son.

Still, because kids in the northeast don’t play as much baseball as kids in Florida, California and other states in warmer climates, they usually are considered greater risks.

“Mike did the Area Code Games, did a few of the big tryouts and showcases, but he came on the scene late,” Jeff Trout says.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/how-los-angeles-angels-hooked-rookie-phenom-mike-trout-in-mlb-draft-051212 (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/how-los-angeles-angels-hooked-rookie-phenom-mike-trout-in-mlb-draft-051212)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on February 26, 2015, 07:04:11 am
A scout told me that he saw Trout play in high school and that he was the most toolsy player he had ever seen in all of his years in baseball, but the club did nothing with it, probably because they didn't believe that a kid from Joisey can be that good.
Title: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: geezerdonk on February 26, 2015, 08:07:55 am
Sounds fishy to me.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 26, 2015, 08:19:20 am
Week of 2/27

8 games on TV this week involving draft prospects.

Three of the games involve TCU. The Horned Frogs play Cal Poly in weekend action with the Friday and Sunday tilts both on FSSW+. Senior RHP Preston Morrison should take the mound on Friday. His FB may never go much beyond the mid 80’s but he still manages to be effective. He’s thrown 16 scoreless innings to start the season, including a CG 3-hitter against then 8th-ranked Arizona State. BA has him listed as the 6th-best draft prospect (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baseballamerica.com%2Fcollege%2F2015-top-50-prospects-class%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGX6nvR_FPwTKaqGutSrmHej9MzMQ) among college seniors (just behind UT’s Parker French). How that translates into draft rounds is a bit of a mystery. You would think someone might pop him in the 1st 10 rounds but given the fact he wasn’t drafted out of HS nor as a junior that would be anything but a sure bet. If the current rotation holds, LHP Alex Young should go Sunday. BA has him ranked #21 among college juniors so perhaps someone the Astros would look at as far as picks #37 or #46.

This Cal Poly is the D1 San Luis Obispo variety, not the D2 Pomona folks, and it’s a good program with the Mustangs having been to regionals three times in the last six years. I’ve seen three of their guys mentioned as draft possibilities: 2B Mark Mathias, OF Zack Zehner and 1B Brian Mundell. Mathias hit .386/.455/.490 last season for the Mustangs. He had offseason shoulder surgery and has only played in one game thus far (this past Tuesday) as a DH. The injury to the labrum in his right shoulder occurred over the summer while playing for USA Baseball’s Collegiate National Team. BA has him at #34 on that college junior list so if folks are convinced he’s healthy then he may be a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Zehner is a senior who went in the 7th round to the Blue Jays last year (Toronto also tried to sign him as an undrafted free agent the year before as a JUCO sophomore). 6’4” 215 lbs, he’s off to a .323/.417/.516 start this year after hitting .316/.374/.443 last year. BA has him at #7 (just after French and Morrison) among college senior draft prospects. Look to see if the power finally shows for this guy. And finally Mundell--he’s definitely not the same caliber as the first two guys mentioned. The junior did show some promise over the summer in the wood bat Northwoods League but still needs to do even more with the stick. A whole lot more.

The best matchup of the TV games is Rice vs TCU on Tuesday. Like the other two televised Horned Frog games, it’s on FSSW+. If your mid-week starter is someone of the caliber of RHP Mitchell Traver, then you know your pitching staff is special. If the name sounds familiar, here’s why: he was picked by the Astros in the 39th round in 2012 out of Houston Christian High. He was considered top 3 round talent coming out of HS but a diagnosis of thoracic outlet syndrome (and subsequent surgery for it) dropped him all the way down to the next to last round. On top of all that, he then had to have TJS. So in 2013 and 2014, he managed to pitch all of a third of an inning for TCU.

Despite the surgical sojourn, the 6’7” 255 lb Traver just might be all the way back. It began this summer with 29 solid innings of work in the Northwoods League that caused BA to rank him the 9th-best prospect there. And he’s kicked ass in his first 2 starts for TCU this season: 15 scoreless innings with 17 K’s and just 1 walk. The Owls game will be a step up in competition (he faced UTA and Texas Southern in those other games) so I’m really looking forward to seeing what he can do. As far as draft round, you’ve really got to wait and see how he performs the rest of the season to see how high he might go. The injury history and lack of innings makes him a bit of a crapshoot. Luhnow & co. presumably know him better than anyone at this stage, though, so another selection by his hometown team certainly wouldn’t be a surprise.

A couple of SEC Network games are on the docket. Arizona takes on Mississippi State on Saturday while rivals Clemson and South Carolina duke it out Sunday. The Wildcats DP duo of SS Kevin Newman (potential 1st-rounder) and 2B Scott Kingery were mentioned previously. The Bulldogs are a ranked team but apparently don’t have a lot of draft-eligible talent. Senior RHP Trevor Fitts is the best of the bunch it seems. He’s the closer (after starting last season) and has three saves in three appearances. As far as the Palmetto State matchup, look for Tigers OF Steven Duggar (possible 2nd-rounder). Don’t look for fellow Clemsonite LHP Zack Erwin (#47 on the BA college juniors list). He’s their Saturday starter so unless they shift their rotation won’t be in Sunday’s game. The Gamecocks, like Miss. State, are a ranked team with not much in terms of 2015 draft talent. Senior 1B Kyle Martin is the only name I’ve seen mentioned thus far--he was a 20th round pick a year ago by the Angels.

All three weekend games between the Longhorns and San Diego are being televised on LHN. And no this is not San Diego State. Nor is it UC-San Diego. This would be the Univ of San Diego Toreros. One guy on that squad to look for--SS Kyle Holder. BA has him ranked #44 in their college junior rankings of top draft prospects.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 26, 2015, 10:46:18 am
Aiken will join Nix on the IMG Academy team, per a K Law tweet.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on February 26, 2015, 11:24:19 am
Aiken will join Nix on the IMG Academy team, per a K Law tweet.

They will be able to tell the other kids about what a bunch of jerks the Astros are.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: chuck on February 26, 2015, 11:34:32 am
A scout told me that he saw Trout play in high school and that he was the most toolsy player he had ever seen in all of his years in baseball, but the club did nothing with it, probably because they didn't believe that a kid from Joisey can be that good.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you can't tell that a Mike Trout has the potential to be a really good player in the six or seven short months that New Jersey offers for baseball then you should probably find some other line of work. If an organization elects not to believe he can play or assigns him a prohibitively high risk factor because, gosh, he only plays half the year, then that organization deserves all of the misery that it buys itself.

Bryce Harper is from Las Vegas. They play baseball all year there. Was seeing Bryce Harper hit a baseball 100,000 times really that much more informative than seeing Mike Trout hit a baseball 65,000 times or whatever? These teams should open training academies in Guyana or Equatorial Guinea, maybe then they'd be happy.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: chuck on February 26, 2015, 12:47:48 pm
By the way, I love that austro's wife is peppering him with baseball questions. There's quite a bit to recommend sra chuck but an insatiable thirst for sports knowledge isn't tremendously high on that list.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on February 26, 2015, 01:11:57 pm
Maybe a dumbass bias against cold-weather kids can explain why some teams passed on Trout, but I find it hard to believe that was the reason all 23 or 4 did (God knows Bobby Heck loved his Illinois pitchers). I'm pretty sure it was at least partly due to his being behind other top HS kids, developmentally, at the time, and teams failing to realize he would blossom the way he did once he had another year of solid baseball playing under his belt.

Plus, I bet he didn't get seen nearly as much as you think he did - maybe the Angels caught every game of his Senior year, maybe not, but I doubt many teams did; as his dad mentioned, he got a little more exposure when he did the Area Code games. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on February 26, 2015, 04:43:22 pm
Saw that the West Virginia coach, apparently among others, is pushing hard to move the start of the season back to somewhere around April.  Paraphrasing "What the hell are we doing playing baseball in February?"
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on February 26, 2015, 04:52:24 pm
Saw that the West Virginia coach, apparently among others, is pushing hard to move the start of the season back to somewhere around April.  Paraphrasing "What the hell are we doing playing baseball in February?"

I imagine the "college" part of college baseball has something to do with it.

Yes, I realize the CWS is in June.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 26, 2015, 07:24:06 pm
MLB.com says (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/108860340/the-order-is-set-for-the-2015-mlb-first-year-player-draft) $17,370,400 using a 9% estimated increase as opposed to BA's 13%.

The final official number (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-bonus-pools-reflect-8-77-percent-increase/) released by MLB: $17,289,200.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on February 26, 2015, 08:41:40 pm
Saw that the West Virginia coach, apparently among others, is pushing hard to move the start of the season back to somewhere around April.  Paraphrasing "What the hell are we doing playing baseball in February?"

Oh, I'm sure everybody will be thrilled when the ML clubs start telling the college coaches to limit the pitch counts of their draft picks come July and August. Or is the NCAA going to convince MLB to move their draft?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 27, 2015, 10:55:32 am
Week of 2/27

8 games on TV this week involving draft prospects.

Three of the games involve TCU. The Horned Frogs play Cal Poly in weekend action with the Friday and Sunday tilts both on FSSW+.

Looks like tonight's game has been cancelled.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 27, 2015, 04:04:09 pm
Pitching performances & other news for the weekend:

Potential top 5 picks


*More on Tate's outing:
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Frankie Piliere ‏@FPilierePG  11m ago
Another start, more dominant stuff from Dillon Tate. 94-97 mph FB, typical plus SL and showing the change. Reportedly 70+ scouts there.

Others of interest


Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 27, 2015, 10:39:58 pm
Pitching performances & other news (further updates):

Potential top 5 picks


*More on Tate's outing:
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Frankie Piliere ‏@FPilierePG  11m ago
Another start, more dominant stuff from Dillon Tate. 94-97 mph FB, typical plus SL and showing the change. Reportedly 70+ scouts there.

Others of interest

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 27, 2015, 11:38:38 pm
I wrote about Mitchell Traver above. This is some further info (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10930) on his most recent start this past Wednesday:

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He worked in the 91-93 mph range with his fastball and topped at 95, just as he had last week, with a slider that sat in the mid-80s. As impressive as those numbers were here's a set that's better: Of the 83 pitches he threw, 60 of them were for strikes and Traver never found himself in a 2-0 count.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 01, 2015, 07:24:43 am
Weekend performances & other news (including Saturday updates):

Potential top 5 picks


*More on Tate's outing:
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Frankie Piliere ‏@FPilierePG  11m ago
Another start, more dominant stuff from Dillon Tate. 94-97 mph FB, typical plus SL and showing the change. Reportedly 70+ scouts there.

Others of interest

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 01, 2015, 07:46:08 pm
Weekend performances & other news (including Sunday updates):

Potential top 5 picks


*More on Tate's outing:
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Frankie Piliere ‏@FPilierePG  
Another start, more dominant stuff from Dillon Tate. 94-97 mph FB, typical plus SL and showing the change. Reportedly 70+ scouts there.

Others of interest

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 02, 2015, 09:56:51 am
I'm starting to think Tate's going 1-1, and won't be around when we pick.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 02, 2015, 10:20:48 am
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Vandy Baseball ‏@VandyBaseball  29 minutes ago
Walker Buehler will make his season debut tomorrow against Evansville. He’ll get the start at 4 p.m.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 03, 2015, 09:17:22 pm
Mid-week performances:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest


*Bickford's performance was this past weekend.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 05, 2015, 06:24:39 am
Week of 3/6

An LA rivalry, a border rivalry and the Houston College Classic (HCC) are all on display over the next week.

USC takes on UCLA on the PAC 12 Network on Sunday. A pair of Trojans that might be the right fit for some teams are the two Kyles. RHP Kyle Davis is the closer while LHP Kyle Twomey is the Saturday starter and thus you’re not gonna seem him in this game. Twomey is the better of the two and looks like 2nd-5th round talent while Davis might go in the top 10 rounds.

Previously mentioned four draft-eligibles for the Bruins: Kaprielian, Poteet, Moore and Virant. Kaprielian is the Friday starter so no go there but Poteet is the Sunday guy so you will most likely see him. Also, there are three UCLA seniors who likely will go at some point in the draft: closer RHP David Berg, LHP Grant Watson and 3B Chris Keck. Berg will be looking to improve on his 17th round selection by the Rangers last year. Watson and Keck probably won’t be picked until the latter stages of the draft. Keck has hit 5 longballs in the first 12 games of the season. Watson is the Saturday starter.

It’s Cats versus Cats as Cincinnati takes on Kentucky next Tuesday on the SEC Network. Might be your only televised opportunity to see INF/OF Ian Happ of the Bearcats. He’s one of the better college hitters out there (including a ridiculous .500/.604/.842 over the first 10 games this season) and definitely upper half of 1st round potential. The Wildcats RHP Kyle Cody is another possible 1st-rounder but as a weekend starter you won’t get a look at him.

The good news is that all of the HCC games will be televised on RSSW. The bad news is some will be shown on a tape-delayed basis. So broadcast dates stretch from Friday all the way to next Wednesday even though the games will actually be played Fri-Sun. Among the six-team field: Houston, LSU and Texas A&M.

You probably already know most of the draft names for the Coogs. RHP Jake Lemoine is at the top and a likely 1st-rounder. Fellow juniors C Ian Rice (JUCO transfer from Chipola), RHP Patrick Weigel, OF Kyle Survance (Jersey Village) and INF/DH Justin Montemayor (Anderson High out of Austin) should see some draft play as should senior RHP Aaron Garza (Galveston Ball). Rice was taken in the 21st round by the Red Sox last year while Weigel and Garza were Milwaukee picks--Weigel in the 22nd and Garza in the 29th. Weigel just went five innings on Tuesday against HBU so his availability for the weekend seems unlikely at best. Haven’t seen 1B Chris Iriart on any draft lists but he’s off to a strong start (.348/.474/.587) thru 13 games which if he keeps it up will attract some attention come June.

LSU has its usual strong contingent of draft talent with SS Alex Bregman, OF Andrew Stevenson and OF Mark Laird the top names this time round. Bregman is a 1st round talent though likely plays another position in the pros. Stevenson might be the higher rated of the two outfielders but either one could slip into the 1st 5 rounds. Senior C Kade Scivicque is off to a blistering .448/.486/.862 start and will get popped as well.

The three top draft names for the Aggies seem to be LHP A.J. Minter, RHP Grayson Long and OF Logan Taylor. Minter is another guy who’s suffered from thoracic outlet syndrome which has held him back at A&M. Predicting where he or the other two will get drafted is mostly a coin flip. I’ll swag it and say Minter goes in the 1st 5 rounds (though he may be trending higher) with Long and Taylor going in rounds 6-10. BTW, Taylor is mashing his way to the tune of  .405/.488/.892 in A&M’s 13-0 start while Minter has whiffed 23 in 16 IP with an 0.56 ERA. Seniors SS Blake Allemand and 1B Logan Nottebrok will get popped (late) by someone.

The usual yada-yada: not meant to be a complete list of all televised games, many more games are streamed online, etc etc etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 05, 2015, 10:41:55 am
From today's Keith Law chat (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51629):

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Andy (Madison, WI): Will Aiken consent to be redrafted? If he doesn't, slot might be less than the 5 million he turned down from the Astros.

Klaw: No, he won't, nor will Nix. I don't think that guarantees he'll get less, though; someone could go over slot for him.

I had been curious whether the settlement between Jacob Nix and the Astros would have allowed them to draft him again. But apparently the answer is no if Law's info is correct.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2015, 04:08:58 pm
Shocker: Astros have scouted Kyle Tucker (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/111513788/astros-prospect-preston-tucker-sees-bright-baseball-future-for-younger-brother).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2015, 11:02:29 pm
Drellich visited IMG Academy and has an article on Nix and Aiken (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Unsigned-Astros-picks-Aiken-Nix-move-past-draft-6120330.php?t=ff9328c37dd87bd7f9&cmpid=twitter-premium), although it doesn't add anything to what's already known.

And if you missed the posting over in the TZ thread, Heyman reported earlier today that the settlement with Nix was for "significantly less" than the $1.5MM bonus.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2015, 11:39:23 pm
Weekend performances & other news:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2015, 12:25:32 pm
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNqLL-ZFtI&feature=youtu.be&a) on Horned Frogs righty Mitchell Traver.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 07, 2015, 03:37:09 pm
Weekend performances (including Saturday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on March 08, 2015, 12:13:14 pm
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@FPilierePG: Alex Bregman is a shortstop long term in my opinion. I know there is some split on that issue but I'm convinced

Don't know if he'll be a strong option with either of our top two picks, but if others start to share Pilliere's sentiment, he could go well before our next picks. He has a strong stat line, so far, at .328/.391/.557 with 4 walks against 2 Ks in 61 at-bats. He's also 10-11 in steals in those 15 games. He had a down year as a sophomore, but after a tremendous freshman season, was looked at as a very-early contender for 1-1.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 08, 2015, 06:30:32 pm
Weekend performances & news (including Sunday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 09, 2015, 08:10:13 am
Was at the UH-A&M game on Saturday.  Grayson Long struck out 10 in seven innings.  Excellent movement on his pitches, able to change speeds effectively.  Lots of swing and miss. 

Also, Hunter Melton (3B) crushed a homer onto the LF concourse (above the Community Leaders board) at MMPUS.  Serious power.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2015, 09:37:42 am
From a look at some of the draft prospects in this past weekend's Dodgertown Classic (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/3/9/8173999/scouting-the-draft-notes-from-the-dodgertown-classic):

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First things first, Swanson is a no-doubt shortstop. The footwork is technically sound, and the body control in motion is strong enough to allow him to deliver throws with easy plus velocity and accuracy from all over the left side. I saw an above-average Major League shortstop in the making here, with relatively low risk of a future position change.

The whole package is highly enticing, and word ‘round the campfire is that he’ll be open to an under-slot deal, which if true would put him squarely in the running for a top-five selection in June.

From a writer I'm only slightly familiar with (and who makes a slight brain fart in the article on Walker Buehler) so take with the requisite modicum of salt.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 10, 2015, 02:07:12 pm
Still very early, of course, but between Tate, Kirby, and perhaps Swanson, I'm liking the Astros' chances of landing a very good college player who can help them sooner than later. Even if Matuella continues to seem too fragile for a top-5 pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2015, 04:34:02 pm
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Kendall Rogers @KendallRogersD1  ·  4 hours ago
I'm told @Aggie_Baseball LHP AJ Minter is experiencing tenderness, will have an MRI this week.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2015, 04:42:31 pm
Here's a profile (http://www.d1baseball.com/features/golden-spikes-spotlight-ian-happ/) of previously-discussed U of Cincinnati's Ian Happ, one of the better college hitters in the draft. Unfortunately that televised game tonight versus Kentucky has been cancelled.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on March 10, 2015, 05:28:31 pm
From a look at some of the draft prospects in this past weekend's Dodgertown Classic (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/3/9/8173999/scouting-the-draft-notes-from-the-dodgertown-classic):

From a writer I'm only slightly familiar with (and who makes a slight brain fart in the article on Walker Buehler) so take with the requisite modicum of salt.

Further reading on Swanson (WARNING: phillies related content to follow)

http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/3/9/8119019/2015-phillies-draft-preview-dansby-swanson-2b-ss
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on March 10, 2015, 08:50:55 pm
Next week, I will get to see a kid that is getting a fair amount of buzz in this area.  Trey Cabbage is a 3rd baseman who is committed to Tennessee.  According to two different sources, two Red Sox scouts were at his games this week.  My son's team plays them Monday & Tuesday of next week.  Any draft geeks heard about him? 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2015, 11:55:29 pm
Next week, I will get to see a kid that is getting a fair amount of buzz in this area.  Trey Cabbage is a 3rd baseman who is committed to Tennessee.  According to two different sources, two Red Sox scouts were at his games this week.  My son's team plays them Monday & Tuesday of next week.  Any draft geeks heard about him? 

Well he certainly is athletic (http://knoxblogs.com/xtracredit/2015/02/09/ut-baseball-commit-trey-cabbage-breaks-rim-two-handed-dunk/).

You may have already seen it but PG did have this blurb on him (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10906):

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Although he may not be widely known, watch for Grainger's (Tenn.) Trey Cabbage, a sweet-swinging lefthanded bat and University of Tennessee commit. Cabbage proved to be one of the more consistent hitters throughout the summer, and with an athletic 6-foot-3 frame, the third baseman frequently showed the ability shoot either gap or just simply deposit the ball over the fence.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 11, 2015, 11:21:37 am
Hopefully he hasn't let all his success go to his head. If so, he may need to turn over a new leaf.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 11, 2015, 06:50:28 pm
Week of 3/12

The weekend gets started Thursday as Pepperdine takes on BYU (the BYUers don’t play on Sundays of course so all their weekend series run Thur-Sat). The Waves and Cougars also play Fri and Sat with all games on MormonVision (aka BYU TV). RHP Kolton Mahoney is the guy for BYU. He’s their Friday Thursday night starter and is looking to improve on his 23rd round selection last year by the Brewers. RHP Jackson McClelland and 2B Hutton Moyer is the best of a weak draft-eligible bunch for Pepperdine. McClelland is the Waves’ Friday dude and looks good in the uni at 6’5’’ 220 lbs but that doesn’t translate much to whiffs--just 49 in 82 IP last year and only 16 in 29 frames this season. I seem to recall Moyer’s dad Jamie as having a cup ‘o coffee in the bigs.

SEC conference play kicks off this weekend (as it does for most conferences except the ACC which started last weekend) with three of the games on the SEC Network. Ole Miss vs LSU is on both Saturday and Sunday while Auburn vs Texas A&M is Saturday only. RHP Trey Wingenter is the main draft-eligible name for Auburn. He was a 36th-rounder by the Mariners out of HS back in 2012. Appears the Tigers weekend rotation isn’t quite set so I can’t tell you whether Wingenter will be going on Saturday or not.

One PAC-12 game on tap: Oregon State vs Arizona State on Saturday. Beavers RHP Andrew Moore is off to a terrific start with 31:3 K vs W ratio over his first 30 IP but you won’t see him as he’s the Friday guy. LHP Brett Lilek of the Sun Devils has top 5 round potential but has had a rough beginning to the season and may have been moved out of his Friday slot (probably temporary). RHP Ryan Burr is the ASU closer. He went in the 33rd round to the Rangers out of HS in 2012 but has said teams offered to take him in the 3rd round back then but he held fast to his college commit (Lilek is also said to have turned down 3rd round money out of HS). It’s unlikely he goes that high this time round unless he’s finally ironed out his control problems. He’s whizzing along this year with 21 Ks against 4 Ws in his first 10 innings but in 2014 he walked 38 in 46 IP after an aborted attempt to make him a starter.

Sun Devils LHP Ryan Kellogg is an Ontario kid (the north of the border version) who spurned a $250K bonus from the hometown Blue Jays as a 12th round pick in that same 2012 draft. Like Burr, his 2014 wasn’t great. He’s been slightly improved in 2015. But judge for yourself: he is the Saturday starter. RHP/OF David Graybill has seen limited action at the plate and none thus far on the mound (other than in an exhibition game against the D-Backs). He went in the 31st round to the Dodgers in 2012 out of HS and in 2014 to the Yankees in the 32nd round. Cool fact: both his dad and granddad both played baseball at ASU.

Baylor vs TCU is televised on Sat and Sun on FSSW+/FSSW. All three games of the West Virginia/Texas series are on LHN.

SOS disclaimer: not meant to be a complete list of all televised games, many more games are streamed online, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on March 12, 2015, 05:28:00 pm
Hopefully he hasn't let all his success go to his head. If so, he may need to turn over a new leaf.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I get it now.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 12, 2015, 09:22:03 pm
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‏@keithlaw  19 minutes ago
Lot of heat in the house for San Clemente LHP Kolby Allard's start tonight, including [D-Backs Senior VP of Baseball Operations] De Jon Watson and at least three scouting directors.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2015, 04:05:34 pm
More from Law on Allard (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post?id=3676&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_LawAllard) (paywall article but this is from the tease):

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I didn't spot anyone from Houston, who pick both second and fifth in this year's draft, at the game, but know they were out in force at shortstop Brendan Rodgers' game in Florida [last] night.

[Allard is] the best prep pitcher in this year's draft class, boasting the strongest combination of stuff, delivery, body and present ability of anyone in the group.

...but it wasn't the kind of outing I was hoping to see -- it was an opponent he should have just overpowered with stuff, but to their credit they waited him out and ended up getting into a number of hitters' counts against him. I still see him as a top 10 pick, probably a top-five talent, assuming this outing was a blip and not a sign that throwing strikes will be an issue going forward.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2015, 10:21:43 pm
...but BA posted their Pre-season All-America list to give us a glimpse of some of the top prep talent. Notable "names" include Daz Cameron and Ke'Bryan Hayes (son of Charlie). Cameron has the better chance of going high in the draft, though neither may be a good option so our top picks (Hayes could be an option after the 1st round, if still available).

PG profile of C Garrett Wolforth (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10984) who is a teammate of Hayes at Tomball's Concordia Lutheran HS. He's the son of "pitching guru" Ron Wolforth and from working with dad has a cannon for an arm. He's a DBU commit and will be one of the younger players in the draft as he graduates from HS a year early. Could be a 2nd or 3rd rounder IF he were willing to forego becoming a Patriot.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2015, 10:28:42 pm
...Heyman reported earlier today that the settlement with Nix was for "significantly less" than the $1.5MM bonus.

That's in line with Drellich's source (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/13/astros-draft-aftermath-brady-aikens-elbow-jacob-nixs-grievance-settlement-and-union-support/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) who says it was a "six figure sum".


Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 14, 2015, 12:57:51 am
Weekend performances & news:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 14, 2015, 07:43:29 am
I'm hoping to get a chance to see one of Matuella's starts here in Durham. Noticed on the schedule they play a weekend series in early May vs. Virginia, which could be a Matuella-Kirby matchup... unfortunately, it's at Virginia.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 14, 2015, 09:26:37 pm
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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  3 hours ago
Per multiple scouts former #1 overall pick LHP Brady Aiken will very likely make his season debut on Thursday for IMG Post Grad in Bradenton.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 14, 2015, 10:32:59 pm
Weekend performances & news (including Saturday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 15, 2015, 05:39:53 pm
Weekend performances & news (including Sunday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Others of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on March 17, 2015, 07:12:42 am
Next week, I will get to see a kid that is getting a fair amount of buzz in this area.  Trey Cabbage is a 3rd baseman who is committed to Tennessee.  According to two different sources, two Red Sox scouts were at his games this week.  My son's team plays them Monday & Tuesday of next week.  Any draft geeks heard about him? 

Cabbage was as expected.  Far and away the best player on the field.  Smooth LHB.  He stroked a double that hit off the wall in LF in his first at bat and then followed it up with a line drive double in RCF.  His third at bat, he finally swung and missed at a pitch and nubbed a ball that he beat out when the pitcher miss handled it.  He also stole three bases on the night.  He had a fourth stolen but the kid at the plate struck out for the 3rd out of the inning.  He played SS and looked smooth.  There were at least 3 scouts taking video of each at bat.  One was from the Cubs. 

I will see him again tonight. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 17, 2015, 03:22:42 pm
Week of 3/12 (addendum)

Good game tonight I should have covered in last week's TV preview. Rivalry game as Florida State takes on Florida on the SEC Network. The Gators squad includes SS Richie Martin and OF Harrison Bader while the Noles feature OF D.J. Stewart. Stewart and Martin are possible 1st rounders while Bader has gotten off to a terrific start (.424/.557/.898) and may have improved his draft status up in to the first three rounds.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: OregonStrosFan on March 17, 2015, 04:08:07 pm
Went ahead and stickied this topic... Carry on!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 17, 2015, 11:24:15 pm
Mac Marshall went one inning for Chipola yesterday, walking two and giving up a home run. Don't know whether he got hit on a comebacker or not but the short stint evidently was due to him breaking his thumb. Boy that sucks. Out six weeks.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 18, 2015, 12:39:51 am
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keithlaw ‏@keithlaw  2h ago
Prep lefty Kolby Allard, a possible top ten pick in June, will miss at least one start with a back injury.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on March 18, 2015, 08:34:29 am
 

I will see him again tonight. 

Last night, the Cabbage went 1-4.  Singled to right on his first at bat.  Struck out looking on full count in his second at bat.  Lined out to the pitcher in his third at bat and popped out to short in his final at bat.  Had two misplays at short. Both of them were plays that required him to show his range. On one he made the play but the throw slipped out of his hand and on the other, he wasn't able to make the play. 

He came in in the seventh to close the game out and was not as impressive as a pitcher.  Hard but very straight and with control issues (bases loaded walk). 

Assessment - he struggled more in game 2.  He was facing a pitcher who is being looked at by DII schools or NAIA schools. Where as in game 1, he was facing a good pitcher who is a sophomore.  The true test for him will come in games against larger schools and in the end of the year tournament.  Word from some of their fans was that we were the first conference team to pitch to him this year. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 18, 2015, 11:56:59 pm
Week of 3/19

The SEC Network showcases LSU vs Arkansas on Thursday and Friday. RHP Trey Killian is the top draft prospect for the Razorbacks. He pitched on Sunday last weekend (where he was pretty slick with 7 no-hit innings against Vanderbilt) so he may not show up in either of the televised games.

Another couple of SEC games will be on ESPNU on Saturday and Sunday. The Sunday game is Florida and Ole Miss. Mentioned it yesterday but check out SS Richie Martin and OF Harrison Bader for the Gators. Not at their level but senior INF Josh Tobias may be worth a look as well. He went in the 31st round to the Nationals out of HS. 35-year old grizzled veteran 1B Sikes Orvis supplies some pop for the Rebels. He was a Red Sox 19th-rounder out of HS and is the 3rd-ranked college senior for this year’s draft by BA.

The Saturday game has Vandy taking on Auburn and is THE game of the week for me. Good chance we'll see RHP Walker Buehler on the rubber (and if not him then RHP Carson Fulmer). Throw in SS Dansby Swanson and you've got a trifecta of possible picks at or near the top of the draft. Considering OF Rhett Wiseman, it's possible there could be a foursome of Dores taken on Draft Day #1.

As far as PAC-12 games (those games always on the conference network), Arizona takes on Stanford on Friday and Sunday. The Wildcats have their terrific middle infield duo of SS Kevin Newman (.452/.500/.570 thru 22 games) and 2B Scott Kingery (.449/.491/.622). The latter definitely has some helium to him and may join Newman as a first day pick.

Another PAC-12 game on tap for Friday night: Oregon State vs Washington State. This time you will (likely) see Beavers ace RHP Andrew Moore.

All three games of the Kansas State/Texas series is on LHN. Same for Texas Tech and Oklahoma on FCS. The Red Raiders feature a number of mid-to-late round prospects including undersized 1B Eric Gutierrez (.329/.470/.526 thru 21 games this season with 17 walks and just 9 strikeouts), OF Tyler Neslony, RHP Matt Withrow, RHP Dalton Brown, SS Tim Proudfoot and RHP Dominic Moreno. The latter two are seniors and Moreno was a 33rd-round pick of the Cardinals last year. Withrow was a Rangers’ 37th-rounder out of HS. Sooners to look for are LHP Adam Choplick and C Anthony Hermelyn. As a RS soph last season, Choplick was taken in the 32nd round by the CWS.

TCU features on two televised games this week. Sunday the opponent is Oklahoma State on FS1 while Tuesday on FSSW they take on Oklahoma. The Horned Frogs feature the arms and it looks like talented LHPs Alex Young (Sunday) and Tyler Alexander (Tuesday) will be toeing the mounds. The latter is a draft-eligible sophomore and was a 23rd-round selection of the Tigers in ‘13. The former went in the 32nd round to the Rangers out of HS and as I mentioned before could be a possibility for the Astros at #37 or #46. (Just as a footnote and not draft-related: TCU has a RS freshman backup INF by the name of Michael Landestoy and yes he’s the son of the former Astros infielder).

Like TT, the Cowboys draft-eligible guys look to be mostly mid-to-late rounders. RHP/OF Conor Costello (16th round, 2011), RHP Trey Cobb, RHP Koda Glover and senior LHP Tyler Nurdin are some of the names there.

Back to the PAC-12 and SEC Networks, respectively. Next Monday on the former has the U of San Diego and their excellent SS Kyle Holder taking on Stanford while Wednesday on the latter sees Cincinnati vs Tennessee in a battle of 1st rounders--INF/OF Ian Happ (.446/.549/.815) and OF Christin Stewart (.345/.473/.690).

SOS disclaimer: not meant to be a complete list of all televised games, many more games are streamed online, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2015, 12:44:48 am
A PG article on Phil Bickford (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10996) (the Salt Lake CC game mentioned is the one he pitched in last Saturday). We learn that he's the "nicest kid" and that he's still not using the changeup.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BUWebguy on March 19, 2015, 04:21:44 pm
Reports today that Aiken left his first start with a trainer after throwing just 13 pitches.
https://twitter.com/adamdberry/status/578659038747107328
https://twitter.com/johnmanuelba/status/578658925274337281
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 19, 2015, 04:37:28 pm
Reports today that Aiken left his first start with a trainer after throwing just 13 pitches.
https://twitter.com/adamdberry/status/578659038747107328
https://twitter.com/johnmanuelba/status/578658925274337281

Not sure how to describe my feelings right now.  Not really happy, but positive relief?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 19, 2015, 04:57:04 pm
The flip side of this is a club that may have taken Aiken (D-backs, Rockies or Rangers) will now take someone the Astros would have drafted.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: VirtualBob on March 19, 2015, 05:13:58 pm
Reports today that Aiken left his first start with a trainer after throwing just 13 pitches.
https://twitter.com/adamdberry/status/578659038747107328
https://twitter.com/johnmanuelba/status/578658925274337281
Schadenfreude?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on March 20, 2015, 12:19:03 am
Schadenfreude?

Not sure how to describe my feelings right now.

"Premature" is a good word.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on March 20, 2015, 07:11:34 am
Big sis wasn't happy: (https://twitter.com/halleaiken/status/578715997353349120)
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What grown man talks poorly or wishes pain upon some one else? Probably one that lives in their mothers basement wishing for a better life.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 20, 2015, 07:54:27 am
Big sis wasn't happy: (https://twitter.com/halleaiken/status/578715997353349120)

Doesn't she know that no one in Houston has a basement?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 20, 2015, 08:46:46 am
Big sis wasn't happy: (https://twitter.com/halleaiken/status/578715997353349120)

and Brady retweeted it....eyeroll

I feel bad for the kid, it's a shitty situation.  I feel like his agent should take a brunt of the blame.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: VirtualBob on March 20, 2015, 09:46:50 am
and Brady retweeted it....eyeroll

I feel bad for the kid, it's a shitty situation.  I feel like his agent should take a brunt of the blame.
Exactly. I feel sort for the kid for his injury but also for the bad self-serving advice he got from the agent. Astros were clearly takng on a risk with the revised offer and the agent refused to acknowledge reality.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on March 20, 2015, 10:01:40 am
The satisfaction I'm feeling has nothing to do with Aiken.  It's that the front office may have known what they were doing and weren't just being jerks.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on March 20, 2015, 10:04:53 am
The satisfaction I'm feeling has nothing to do with Aiken.  It's that the front office may have known what they were doing and weren't just being jerks.

This might be public acknowledgement or vindication for their actions.  If he really does have an elbow problem and not just a sore forearm muscle.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 20, 2015, 10:06:54 am
It's also possible that he's just being overly cautious and will be back pitching again in 5 or 6 days. Could be a mountain/mole hill situation.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: chuck on March 20, 2015, 11:02:49 am
The satisfaction I'm feeling has nothing to do with Aiken.  It's that the front office may have known what they were doing and weren't just being jerks.

The Astros offered the guy five million dollars. Do you think they would offer any sum at all to a guy they thought was unlikely to play due to injury?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on March 20, 2015, 11:07:32 am
It's also possible that he's just being overly cautious and will be back pitching again in 5 or 6 days. Could be a mountain/mole hill situation.

Yep.  Hope so.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on March 20, 2015, 01:48:11 pm
The Astros offered the guy five million dollars. Do you think they would offer any sum at all to a guy they thought was unlikely to play due to injury?

They had to offer a minimum amount (4.5 mil) to be able to get the compensation pick for not signing him.  Then they sweetened that pot to try to avoid losing Nix as well. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: VirtualBob on March 20, 2015, 02:30:05 pm
They had to offer a minimum amount (4.5 mil) to be able to get the compensation pick for not signing him.  Then they sweetened that pot to try to avoid losing Nix as well. 
Exactly. Trying to whip up a boat load of lemonade after being stuck with a huge lemon.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Uncle Charlie on March 20, 2015, 02:45:55 pm
The Astros offered the guy five million dollars. Do you think they would offer any sum at all to a guy they thought was unlikely to play due to injury?

I know this has been covered but.....what's amazing to me is the advice he received to NOT take the $5 MM offer.  To get that number again, he'd likely have to get picked in the top 5 picks.  He had to know if he didn't sign that the Astros would be likely to have 2 of those 5 picks (or 2 of 6/7).  Anyway, that really leaves only 3-5 teams who would have to take a chance on him having seen one ML team already show extreme concern.  And even then, what's the upside?  Another $1 million?  Geez.  Even if you KNOW you are healthy and can prove it, why take that chance?  And now he's got the perception he has an injury of some sort?  Many GM's will be frightened by the smoke.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 20, 2015, 03:59:46 pm
They had to offer a minimum amount (4.5 mil) to be able to get the compensation pick for not signing him. 

$3.2MM was the minimum formal offer originally made to get the compensation pick (40% of the slot amount). That amount was later raised to the $5MM final offer.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 20, 2015, 04:01:36 pm
I know this has been covered but.....what's amazing to me is the advice he received to NOT take the $5 MM offer.  To get that number again, he'd likely have to get picked in the top 5 picks.  He had to know if he didn't sign that the Astros would be likely to have 2 of those 5 picks (or 2 of 6/7).  Anyway, that really leaves only 3-5 teams who would have to take a chance on him having seen one ML team already show extreme concern.  And even then, what's the upside?  Another $1 million?  Geez.  Even if you KNOW you are healthy and can prove it, why take that chance?  And now he's got the perception he has an injury of some sort?  Many GM's will be frightened by the smoke.

The last part of this is key.  Even if he pitches lights-out for the rest of the season, the fear's still going to be there.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 20, 2015, 10:31:38 pm
It gets worse...

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Nathan Rode ‏@NathanRode  3 hours ago
LHP Kolby Allard (CA) out 6 weeks with stress reaction in his back per his coach.

John Manuel of BA chimed in (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/back-injury-sidelines-kolby-allard/) on Allard:

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Baseball America confirmed news, first reported by PrepBaseballReport.com, that Allard will miss between six and eight weeks with a stress reaction in his back.

Manuel in the same BA article:

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Chipola (Fla.) JC lefthander Mac Marshall left his last start after only one inning of work due to a thumb injury. We’ll update that story as more information becomes available.

As I noted previously, it's broken and Marshall is out 6 weeks.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2015, 12:25:53 am
Weekend pitching performances and news plus (in some cases) draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured


Will recap hitting performances at the end of the weekend.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BudGirl on March 21, 2015, 08:20:02 am
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Jake Lemoine, Coogs RHP--out several weeks with shoulder impingement.

What I heard Tuesday it is only supposed to be two weeks, but I guess that could change.

One Cougar that really caught my eye this season is a freshman, Seth Romero, he throws in the low to mid 90s.  He started against Rice Tuesday night and did a pretty good job.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 21, 2015, 09:58:52 am
I know this has been covered but.....what's amazing to me is the advice he received to NOT take the $5 MM offer.  To get that number again, he'd likely have to get picked in the top 5 picks.  He had to know if he didn't sign that the Astros would be likely to have 2 of those 5 picks (or 2 of 6/7).  Anyway, that really leaves only 3-5 teams who would have to take a chance on him having seen one ML team already show extreme concern.  And even then, what's the upside?  Another $1 million?  Geez.  Even if you KNOW you are healthy and can prove it, why take that chance?  And now he's got the perception he has an injury of some sort?  Many GM's will be frightened by the smoke.

Looking back, it feels like Close (Aiken's agent) reacted too emotionally to Luhnow leaking that there was something wrong physically with Aiken.  But...Luhnow really had no choice.  The media (mainly Drellich and Buster Olney) built up the narrative that Luhnow and the Astros FO as an evil organization that is trying to squeeze every little bit of value out of players using whatever leverage possible, so when this whole issue came up there is no way Luhnow could remain quiet - that just feeds the narrative and continues to damage their image even more.

Maybe Close trashing the Astros in public convinced the Astros to increase their offer and maybe Close at the end of the day recommended to Aiken that he take the $5M deal.  All he can really do is feed his client the information and advice he needs to make a decision.  Unfortunately for Aiken, it looks like he might have made the wrong one - and that's why I think the argument is that Close should have handled this differently.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 21, 2015, 05:19:30 pm
Looking back, it feels like Close (Aiken's agent) reacted too emotionally to Luhnow leaking that there was something wrong physically with Aiken.  But...Luhnow really had no choice.  The media (mainly Drellich and Buster Olney) built up the narrative that Luhnow and the Astros FO as an evil organization that is trying to squeeze every little bit of value out of players using whatever leverage possible, so when this whole issue came up there is no way Luhnow could remain quiet - that just feeds the narrative and continues to damage their image even more.

Maybe Close trashing the Astros in public convinced the Astros to increase their offer and maybe Close at the end of the day recommended to Aiken that he take the $5M deal.  All he can really do is feed his client the information and advice he needs to make a decision.  Unfortunately for Aiken, it looks like he might have made the wrong one - and that's why I think the argument is that Close should have handled this differently.

I'll be far more blunt and candid. Close fucked this one up badly. Maybe even malpractice.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on March 21, 2015, 05:49:59 pm
I'll be far more blunt and candid. Close fucked this one up badly. Maybe even malpractice.

I think part of it was that this situation was a little unprecedented. Close, and maybe  any agent, did not want to be the guy to back down regardless of the situation. He was probably getting calls from his peers telling him not to give in to these slicksters. I don't guess we are any closer to pre-draft physicals?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 21, 2015, 06:31:37 pm
Weekend pitching performances and news plus in some cases draft & injury history (including Saturday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 22, 2015, 03:47:05 pm
Weekend pitching performances and news plus some draft & injury history (including Sunday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 22, 2015, 05:28:41 pm
Has Aiken's camp made any sort of statement about his injury?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 22, 2015, 05:57:39 pm
Has Aiken's camp made any sort of statement about his injury?

Not that I've heard.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 23, 2015, 12:37:18 am
Weekend hitting performances & news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Hitters of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 23, 2015, 10:47:40 am
They had to offer a minimum amount (4.5 mil) to be able to get the compensation pick for not signing him.  Then they sweetened that pot to try to avoid losing Nix as well. 

Wasn't just Nix.  5 million was the cap to land Nix and Marshall.  Certainly seemed like the only way the Astros were willing to risk Aiken was if they got both Marshall and Nix.  (because the 6.5 million original offer lands Nix while still being under the cap.)   

IMO, the Astros played things out very business like.  Aiken/Close camp seemed to go more the emotional/taking it personal route (given there seems to be no conceivable way he ever makes more than 5 million draft bonus and the statements made to the public).    And to me, Close is suppose to be the business end of that camp, which IMO puts the vast majority of the blame on him. 

The only mistake the Astros made was with Nix.  They never should have taken it as far as they did with him till the money was guaranteed.  And they paid for it.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on March 23, 2015, 11:12:00 am
The only mistake the Astros made was with Nix.  They never should have taken it as far as they did with him till the money was guaranteed.  And they paid for it.

I'm not sure that was a mistake.  The mess with Aiken was unprecedented in the new CBA with cap limits.  He had agreed to a number and everything was going on as normal.  A wacky physical from out of nowhere derailed it.  I think of it more as a something to be learned under this CBA.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 23, 2015, 12:43:54 pm
I'm not sure that was a mistake.  The mess with Aiken was unprecedented in the new CBA with cap limits.  He had agreed to a number and everything was going on as normal.  A wacky physical from out of nowhere derailed it.  I think of it more as a something to be learned under this CBA.

It's not unprecedented to have bad things show up in a physical.  Unlikely sure, but not unprecedented.  And they knew that the money from Nix came from the leftovers of the Aiken signing.  They put the cart before the horse and paid 1.5 million for that mistake.   This was the 3rd year of the new CBA.  One the Astros have manipulated well in the past.   No idea why they felt the need to go too far with Nix early.  What benefit would it have served?   
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on March 23, 2015, 12:58:05 pm
It's not unprecedented to have bad things show up in a physical.  Unlikely sure, but not unprecedented.  And they knew that the money from Nix came from the leftovers of the Aiken signing.  They put the cart before the horse and paid 1.5 million for that mistake.   This was the 3rd year of the new CBA.  One the Astros have manipulated well in the past.   No idea why they felt the need to go too far with Nix early.  What benefit would it have served?   

There could have been arrogance on their part.  Could have been a push from Nix.  Could have been Nix/Aiken collusion.  We'll never really know.  Regardless there was absolutely no reason up to the point of the physical for the Astros to assume or delay other negotiations because of the likelihood of a major physical problem.  Don't forget there was also a time crunch.  The deals had to be done by mid-July.  As an aside I can only imagine the disappointment Luhnow felt when he got the results of that physical.  He effectively rolled snake eyes on a 1-1.  If Aiken delays in signing then if you hadn't laid enough groundwork you won't get other deals done.  This was way too complex for folks, not you, to piss on the Astros, IMO.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Uncle Charlie on March 23, 2015, 03:28:45 pm
  This was way too complex....

There are so many ways that this could have gone down we cannot discuss all of the possibilities.  The only thing I think they could have done with Nix (and may have for all I know) is to be upfront and transparent with him when agreeing the number.  If they told him that they drafted him knowing that they needed to save money elsewhere...and likely only to come from a big $ place like Aiken, then he would/should have been able to take it.  His sign-ability is why he was available at 5-1 and any other team would have been dealing with the same issue.  Maybe they did communicate this, maybe they didn't.  We'll likely never know.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 23, 2015, 03:58:38 pm
Pots, minor nit here; they didn't pay Nix $1.5m, the settlement was for a "six-figure" sum.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 23, 2015, 04:26:01 pm
Pots, minor nit here; they didn't pay Nix $1.5m, the settlement was for a "six-figure" sum.

So Whitey heard wrong then.  Honestly, this isn't just a nitpick.  If it was full amount then the Astros just went way too far too early in negotiations (If I recall correctly they had Nix wrapped up in mid-June before late June finding out about Aiken). His case would have had to be pretty solid for full amount.  But being a partial amount of unknown quantity adds more unknowns.  6 figures could be as low as 10%.  A token payment to just get rid of an unfounded grievance.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 23, 2015, 05:17:14 pm
So Whitey heard wrong then.  Honestly, this isn't just a nitpick.  If it was full amount then the Astros just went way too far too early in negotiations (If I recall correctly they had Nix wrapped up in mid-June before late June finding out about Aiken). His case would have had to be pretty solid for full amount.  But being a partial amount of unknown quantity adds more unknowns.  6 figures could be as low as 10%.  A token payment to just get rid of an unfounded grievance.
Yep, Gammons heard wrong or perhaps just wrote wrong or was interpreted wrong. I think Heyman reported the 6-figure news fairly recently; here's a Drellich article (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/13/astros-draft-aftermath-brady-aikens-elbow-jacob-nixs-grievance-settlement-and-union-support/) that also has that number.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on March 24, 2015, 02:19:16 pm
BA weekly report on college prospects with a blurb on Kirby:

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“He’s missing high,” one American League scout noted. Still, Kirby has shown the ability to pound both sides of the strike zone, leading another evaluator to speculate that the high walk numbers are more the result of Kirby’s refined approach, rather than a sign of more serious problems...Kirby has really focused on attacking hitters with his changeup.

While these concerns are not going to break Kirby, they could make the difference of a few picks in June. This will be a situation to monitor closely going forward.


Callis was given a shoot-from-the-hip question on Twitter about the draft and had this response:

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Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 4h4 hours ago

Guessing...maybe Kirby & Swanson? @texanfan2785: w/@Astros having 2nd and 5th pick plus most allocated money, which direction...? @MLBDraft

I don't think he was implying who they would take, but it does give an idea of who might make sense, talent-wise with those picks.  Especially with the injury concerns with the top pitchers this season, Kirby seems to make a lot of sense.  That isn't to say that he's a shoe-in for a top 2 or top 5 pick, but he's probably definitely in the mix, at this point.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-draft-prospects-stat-roundup-week-6-3/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-draft-prospects-stat-roundup-week-6-3/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 24, 2015, 03:16:06 pm
Jesse Burkhart of FG was at the Matuella start last Friday (I posted a tweet from him in the weekend pitching performance recap). Well here's his long-form report on that outing (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dukes-michael-matuella-returns-to-top-5-pick-form/). For those who who don't want to click thru, here's the money portion:

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Given his combination of pure stuff, physicality and pitchability, Matuella is a top-five talent in this draft. The big question mark of course is whether teams overlook his short track record and believe he can handle a starting pitcher’s volume. Provided no serious health complications arise from his back condition, he has a chance to develop into a frontline starter with improved control and a better changeup, offering a high floor as a rotation mainstay thanks to premium velocity and sufficient aptitude.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 24, 2015, 08:06:03 pm
It's also possible that he's just being overly cautious and will be back pitching again in 5 or 6 days. Could be a mountain/mole hill situation.
keithlaw @keithlaw  ·  Mar 22
Nothing official. Might make his next scheduled start. RT @mikeaxisa: @keithlaw Has there been an update on Aiken?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 25, 2015, 08:14:59 pm
Week of 3/26

The SEC Network again is where most of the draft prospect action is at over the upcoming week. Bama vs Florida (Thursday) and Missouri vs Texas A&M (Saturday) are first up with games between Tennessee and Vandy (later Saturday and then on Sunday as well) also on the docket.

You already know the names for Vanderbilt. Tennessee features likely 1st rounder OF Christin Stewart. Missou/A&M has OF Logan Taylor of course. A couple of possible 1st round infielders are featured in the Bama/Florida tilt with SS Mikey White and SS Richie Martin. The Gators OF Harrison Bader is another likely 1st rounder.

All 3 weekend games of the Oregon/Arizona series is on PAC-12 Network. Check out Ducks’ pitchers LHP Garrett Cleavinger (closer) and LHP Cole Irvin (I believe he’ll start Sunday). 3B Mitchell Tolman and senior C Shaun Chase are a couple of lesser names. SS Kevin Newman and 2B Scott Kingery of course for the Wildcats. Southern Miss and Rice match up in C-USA play on Friday on FS1. OF Connor Barron is an interesting senior for the Golden Eagles while the Owls feature SS Leon Byrd and senior C John Clay Reeves. Absent a shift in the rotation, RHP Kevin McCanna should be on the hill for Rice.

The B1G Network kicks off its baseball coverage this weekend with Nebraska taking on the Longhorns on Saturday. Wichita State versus TCU (likely starter: LHP Alex Young) on Sunday is on FSSW.

SOS disclaimer: not meant to be a complete list of all televised games, many more games are streamed online, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on March 25, 2015, 11:12:29 pm
Week of 3/26

The SEC Network again is where most of the draft prospect action is at over the upcoming week. Bama vs Florida (Thursday) and Missouri vs Texas A&M (Saturday) are first up with games between Tennessee and Vandy (later Saturday and then on Sunday as well) also on the docket.

You already know the names for Vanderbilt. Tennessee features likely 1st rounder OF Christin Stewart. Missou/A&M has OF Logan Taylor of course. A couple of possible 1st round infielders are featured in the Bama/Florida tilt with SS Mikey White and SS Richie Martin. The Gators OF Harrison Bader is another likely 1st rounder.

All 3 weekend games of the Oregon/Arizona series is on PAC-12 Network. Check out Ducks’ pitchers LHP Garrett Cleavinger (closer) and LHP Cole Irvin (I believe he’ll start Sunday). 3B Mitchell Tolman and senior C Shaun Chase are a couple of lesser names. SS Kevin Newman and 2B Scott Kingery of course for the Wildcats. Southern Miss and Rice match up in C-USA play on Friday on FS1. OF Connor Barron is an interesting senior for the Golden Eagles while the Owls feature SS Leon Byrd and senior C John Clay Reeves. Absent a shift in the rotation, RHP Kevin McCanna should be on the hill for Rice.

The B1G Network kicks off its baseball coverage this weekend with Nebraska taking on the Longhorns on Saturday. Wichita State versus TCU (likely starter: LHP Alex Young) on Sunday is on FSSW.

SOS disclaimer: not meant to be a complete list of all televised games, many more games are streamed online, blah blah blah.


Fuck the disclaimers.  Well done!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 01:10:44 am
Fuck the disclaimers.  Well done!

Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 26, 2015, 06:04:01 am
Fuck the disclaimers.  Well done!

+1 NC is kicking ass and taking names!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: MusicMan on March 26, 2015, 10:01:06 am
For BP subscribers:

BP previews the top 50 draft prospects. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25886)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 26, 2015, 10:28:02 am
For BP subscribers:

BP previews the top 50 draft prospects. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25886)

Aiken at 1...interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 26, 2015, 01:32:16 pm
Aiken at 1...interesting.

Eh, from a talent standpoint he's number one.  But no shot of actually being taken there due to the unknown ligament issue.  I'm assuming BP isn't taking that into account because they have no facts on the situation.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 02:22:00 pm
+1 NC is kicking ass and taking names!

As always thanks for the encouraging words Hap!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 05:21:46 pm
A brief PG scouting report (http://www.perfectgame.org/blogs/Entry.aspx?entry=40975) on SS Nick Shumpert who with his Highlands Ranch HS (Colorado) team was competing in the Coach Bob National Invitational Tournament:

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He made at least two “plus range” plays on Tuesday, ranging far to his right to snare a groundball before seemingly turning on a dime and throwing a clothesline across the infield to nab the runner by a full step. It was an impressive display of lateral agility, footwork, athleticism, and arm strength—all of which Shumpert has in spades. He showed excellent bat speed at the plate, to go along with a swing that is highlighted by natural lift and lots of leverage. He expanded the zone a few times and chased high fastballs, coming up empty, but the potential of that swing with that bat speed is something that will keep pro scouts talking.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 05:35:00 pm
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Frankie Piliere ‏@FPilierePG  4 hours ago
A fact to weigh on @UVABaseball ace Nathan Kirby. Avg 1st pitch temperature for his starts [in] 2015? 39.6 degrees. Yet still dealing.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 05:56:30 pm
Aiken had TJS yesterday. Broke the news himself (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/brady-aiken-a-fresh-start/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: subnuclear on March 26, 2015, 06:44:50 pm
Aiken had TJS yesterday. Broke the news himself (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/brady-aiken-a-fresh-start/).

Good luck to him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 26, 2015, 07:06:54 pm
I'm not sure there is a situation that could have vindicated the Astros more.  He literally got hurt the first time stepping on the mound since the draft and required Tommy John.

I agree, no one wins....but the Astros did the right thing. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: hostros7 on March 26, 2015, 07:43:08 pm
Aiken at 1...interesting.

He had TJ today.  Poor kid, shitty agent.  Aiken signing at the lower offering would have wound up as a win for all parties involved.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 26, 2015, 08:50:38 pm
So what does he do now? He won't play at IMG this year, and he can't go to a four year school. Juco or Indy league?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 26, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
This is what he has to say about turning down the Astros offer, "The money wasn’t the only factor to consider. I wanted to play somewhere I felt comfortable, with a support system I felt would lay the groundwork for a successful and long career."



Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on March 26, 2015, 08:52:55 pm
This is what he has to say about turning down the Astros offer, "The money wasn’t the only factor to consider. I wanted to play somewhere I felt comfortable, with a support system I felt would lay the groundwork for a successful and long career."





Didn't they tell him about the Texas Medical Center?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 26, 2015, 08:54:52 pm
So what does he do now? He won't play at IMG this year, and he can't go to a four year school. Juco or Indy league?

He'll get drafted this year, probably not in the top half of the first round. Get a smaller signing bonus than the Astros offer, and recuperate/rehab.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on March 26, 2015, 09:00:12 pm
Best of luck to the kid.  Looks like a bullet skillfully dodged, or just sweet dumb luck on the Astros part.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Uncle Charlie on March 26, 2015, 09:16:50 pm
This is what he has to say about turning down the Astros offer, "The money wasn’t the only factor to consider. I wanted to play somewhere I felt comfortable, with a support system I felt would lay the groundwork for a successful and long career."

Whatever he has to say to himself.  $5 MM is a lot of groundwork.  Even after taxes he could have expected $3 MM which at 5% per year dividend throws off $150k/year.  In other words, a comfortable life regardless of what happened.

I can't imagine this is at all good for Casey Close's liability insurance claim status.

Sad all the way around, though it will help to restore some of the Astros front office cred.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 26, 2015, 10:05:24 pm
Jim Callis notes (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/115029822/top-draft-pick-brady-aiken-undergoes-tommy-john-surgery):

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Aiken still could go very early in the 2015 Draft. Jeff Hoffman had Tommy John surgery last May and signed for $3,080,000 as the No. 9 overall choice by the Blue Jays in June. The Nationals took Erick Fedde at No. 18 and paid him $2,511,100 despite knowing that his elbow needed to be reconstructed.

FWIW, MLBPipeline.com dropped Aiken from #3 to #6 on their draftboard (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=draft) (a draftboard, I might add, that still has Dillon Tate at #30).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BizidyDizidy on March 27, 2015, 09:51:34 am
The commentary/rumor I saw yesterday was that the Astros' issue was not necessarily just that he may need Tommy John surgery, but that it may not fix what's wrong with his elbow.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on March 27, 2015, 10:03:49 am
That was my recollection.  Something about an abnormally small ligament, not just a damaged one.  At any rate, I'd be surprised if Callis is correct in his statement that Aiken could still be drafted early.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Uncle Charlie on March 27, 2015, 10:10:12 am
The commentary/rumor I saw yesterday was that the Astros' issue was not necessarily just that he may need Tommy John surgery, but that it may not fix what's wrong with his elbow.

Exactly - the decision to lower the price was about taking on additional risk.  They felt he had a higher risk to need TJ and that recovery could be different because of its size.  Investment is about risk & returns, plain and simple.  DD in all deals, whether baseball, energy, or healthcare often has an agreed price which can be adjusted by DD and perceived risk.

On another note, I can't believe (actually I can once I thought about it) how the national press continues to dig in and defend their trash talk of the Astros management last summer.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 27, 2015, 10:18:47 am
Exactly - the decision to lower the price was about taking on additional risk.  They felt he had a higher risk to need TJ and that recovery could be different because of its size.  Investment is about risk & returns, plain and simple.  DD in all deals, whether baseball, energy, or healthcare often has an agreed price which can be adjusted by DD and perceived risk.

On another note, I can't believe (actually I can once I thought about it) how the national press continues to dig in and defend their trash talk of the Astros management last summer.

Rosenthal and Callis are bad, but Drellich is the worst.  I'm almost embarrassed for these guys because they can't admit the Astros were acting in the best interests of the club and were right.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on March 27, 2015, 10:55:04 am
That was my recollection.  Something about an abnormally small ligament, not just a damaged one.  At any rate, I'd be surprised if Callis is correct in his statement that Aiken could still be drafted early.

Wouldn't he now have a normal size ligament? I may not understand the nature of the repair.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Uncle Charlie on March 27, 2015, 11:02:44 am
Wouldn't he now have a normal size ligament? I may not understand the nature of the repair.

Well above my pay grade
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 27, 2015, 11:40:49 am
Hudson Belinsky tweeted last night that he heard from multiple sources that the surgery was not a "cut and dry" TJ surgery, whatever that means.

I'm also not sure who Hudson Belinsky is but for some reason I follow him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on March 27, 2015, 12:31:25 pm
I normally like what he has to say, but I disagree heavily with CJ Nitkowski's take on the situation (the first part is Aiken's statement):

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    I can honestly say I don’t regret not signing…it was an informed decision based on circumstances only a few people know the truth about. The money wasn’t the only factor to consider. I wanted to play somewhere I felt comfortable, with a support system I felt would lay the groundwork for a successful and long career…Even now, I know I made the decision that made the most sense for my future.

And here’s Nitkowski’s take on that:

    This is from an 18-year-old kid who turned down $5 million dollars less than a year ago and just had Tommy John surgery. Could the Astros have handled his situation so poorly that even now, with all that has happened, he doesn’t regret taking the last minute offer? Apparently so.

    And that “support system” part? That’s the equivalent of dad saying he’s not mad at you, just disappointed in you. Those sting.

What's he supposed to say, that he really should have taken the money and that he had some measure of guilt with how things played out last year?  Please.  Not only does that imply fault in his camp's behavior, but also that he should have acknowledged then that he was a medical risk.  That's just not going to happen.

As for the "support system" crap, what does that even mean?  He felt pretty comfortable with the organization before the medical or he wouldn't have flown in to sign the contract.  Could the organization have handled some things better?  I would agree that they could have.  But, the nature and context of his comments do nothing to further indemnify them. 

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/27/ex-astros-pitcher-aiken-surgery-hardly-a-win-for-team/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0 (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/27/ex-astros-pitcher-aiken-surgery-hardly-a-win-for-team/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 27, 2015, 02:17:29 pm
I normally like what he has to say, but I disagree heavily with CJ Nitkowski's take on the situation (the first part is Aiken's statement):

What's he supposed to say, that he really should have taken the money and that he had some measure of guilt with how things played out last year?  Please.  Not only does that imply fault in his camp's behavior, but also that he should have acknowledged then that he was a medical risk.  That's just not going to happen.

As for the "support system" crap, what does that even mean?  He felt pretty comfortable with the organization before the medical or he wouldn't have flown in to sign the contract.  Could the organization have handled some things better?  I would agree that they could have.  But, the nature and context of his comments do nothing to further indemnify them. 

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/27/ex-astros-pitcher-aiken-surgery-hardly-a-win-for-team/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0 (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/03/27/ex-astros-pitcher-aiken-surgery-hardly-a-win-for-team/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0)

CJ seems to neglect/forget/whatever that the Astros get the #2 pick this year instead.  No doubt the kid has talent, but no doubt the next kid will too.  And hoepfully (knock knock) a healthy elbow.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 27, 2015, 05:01:03 pm
No surprise here given the previous 6-8 week estimate on his back but Kolby Allard says (http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school/2015-nhsi-san-clemente-advances-championship-game/) he's likely done for the (HS) season.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on March 27, 2015, 05:38:27 pm
I think what the reaction of Drellich and some others boils down to at this point is basically "Ok, so maybe the Astros had good reason to to do what they did, but... they still, potentially, might have sort of been jerks about it. Ok, maybe not jerks, but at least slightly too business-like and computer-y, and not super-nice warm fuzzy touchy-feely guys like we seem to believe every GM and executive should be."

Would I prefer to have strong reason to believe that the members of the Astros FO are all super-nice, compassionate and considerate guys who go out of their way to treat every player and employee well no matter what? Sure.

Do I need to believe that in order to enjoy rooting for the success of the Houston Astros baseball team? No.

Would them being occasionally less than super-nice, compassionate and considerate, and perhaps a little too focused on conducting business in a business-like fashion make them different from the vast majority of upper-level management people in America? I doubt it.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 27, 2015, 05:43:59 pm
I'll be more blunt: Fuck Drellich in his lazy ass. The Astros have been vindicated, and Casey Close's E&O carrier should prepare for a lawsuit. If the Astros actually offered $5,000,000, even after the negative health issue came to the fore, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, you have, repeat have to advise the kid to take the money.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 27, 2015, 06:54:49 pm
MLB and MLBPA expect to discuss a pre-draft combine with medicals (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--mlb-considering-a-draft-combine-to-assess-players--health-223807445.html) during negotiations on next CBA.

If anything is ever agreed to, wouldn't happen until 2017 at earliest.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on March 27, 2015, 07:37:00 pm
MLB and MLBPA expect to discuss a pre-draft combine with medicals (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--mlb-considering-a-draft-combine-to-assess-players--health-223807445.html) during negotiations on next CBA.

If anything is ever agreed to, wouldn't happen until 2017 at earliest.

It's just stunning to me that such an agreement isn't already in place. Would you buy a $5mm house without an inspection? There's no other business in the world that would spend that kind of money without assuring themselves of the soundness of the asset they're acquiring.

Thanks, Bud. At least we got a sure-fire way of determining the home team in the WS.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on March 28, 2015, 01:10:08 am
I think what the reaction of Drellich and some others boils down to at this point is basically "Ok, so maybe the Astros had good reason to to do what they did, but... they still, potentially, might have sort of been jerks about it. Ok, maybe not jerks, but at least slightly too business-like and computer-y, and not super-nice warm fuzzy touchy-feely guys like we seem to believe every GM and executive should be."

Would I prefer to have strong reason to believe that the members of the Astros FO are all super-nice, compassionate and considerate guys who go out of their way to treat every player and employee well no matter what? Sure.

Do I need to believe that in order to enjoy rooting for the success of the Houston Astros baseball team? No.

Would them being occasionally less than super-nice, compassionate and considerate, and perhaps a little too focused on conducting business in a business-like fashion make them different from the vast majority of upper-level management people in America? I doubt it.

What it boils down to is people's inability to just say they were wrong.  What troll step is Drellich on?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 28, 2015, 01:16:29 am
Weekend pitching performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured


Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on March 28, 2015, 08:38:57 am
I think what the reaction of Drellich and some others boils down to at this point is basically "Ok, so maybe the Astros had good reason to to do what they did, but... they still, potentially, might have sort of been jerks about it. Ok, maybe not jerks, but at least slightly too business-like and computer-y, and not super-nice warm fuzzy touchy-feely guys like we seem to believe every GM and executive should be."

Would I prefer to have strong reason to believe that the members of the Astros FO are all super-nice, compassionate and considerate guys who go out of their way to treat every player and employee well no matter what? Sure.

Do I need to believe that in order to enjoy rooting for the success of the Houston Astros baseball team? No.

Would them being occasionally less than super-nice, compassionate and considerate, and perhaps a little too focused on conducting business in a business-like fashion make them different from the vast majority of upper-level management people in America? I doubt it.

It is strange to me how much the media tries to paint the Astros as evil villains.  I guess that article Drellich wrote about the Astros treating players like assets got a lot of clicks and the momentum just built from there, but it's mindboggling even now how stubborn they are about this Aiken situation. 

At least some are starting to realize it's getting out of hand.  Brian Kenny wrote an apology to the Astros in a sportsonearth article, and Craig Calcaterra had a great tweet yesterday saying the Astros caused 9/11.  All of the attention has made me root even harder for the Astros if anything just as a fuck you to the media.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 28, 2015, 11:57:59 pm
Weekend pitching performances and news plus some draft & injury history (including Saturday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on March 29, 2015, 07:09:12 am
Would you buy a $5mm house without an inspection?

One might agree on a price, then have an inspection. If the inspection turned up that the house had a bad elbow joints in all the plumbing then the sale would be either voided or the price renegotiated. I guessing of course--never tried to buy a $5MM house.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: mrpink on March 29, 2015, 07:27:03 am
One might agree on a price, then have an inspection. If the inspection turned up that the house had a bad elbow joints in all the plumbing then the sale would be either voided or the price renegotiated. I guessing of course--never tried to buy a $5MM house.

I thought that's what Alkie charged you for his.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 29, 2015, 06:27:39 pm
Weekend pitching performances and news plus some draft & injury history (including Sunday updates):

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Pitchers of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2015, 02:32:26 am
Weekend hitting performances & news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks


Other Hitters of Interest*


*Guys just a hair outside the top five picks (at least for now), guys who might be available at #37 and #46, re-draft possibilities, local (i.e. Texas) guys, “helium” guys, guys just for the hell of it, etc.

Senior Slot Signs


Injured

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on March 30, 2015, 07:38:44 am
Ridiculously good Nate.  But damn, come up for air.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2015, 02:13:53 pm
If you somehow haven't been able to figure out there's a lot of good college shortstops available in the upcoming draft, BA spells it out for you (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-shortstops-stick-safe-bets/). On Kyle Holder:

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The best defender in the class, Holder was moving up draft boards thanks to a .353/.409/.412 start at the plate and one error through 22 games. “Depending on the scout,” one crosschecker said, “he’s either a 70 or 80 defender. It’s that good.” Added San Diego coach Rich Hill, “You don’t see a (college) shortstop that looks like him, that’s a prototypical guy . . . I’ve had scouts say he’s the best amateur shortstop they’ve seen—ever.”
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on March 31, 2015, 06:48:11 pm
At least some are starting to realize it's getting out of hand.  Brian Kenny wrote an apology to the Astros in a sportsonearth article, and Craig Calcaterra had a great tweet yesterday saying the Astros caused 9/11. 

I would put Dave Schoenfield from ESPN in that camp, in what's a fairly balanced piece to my eyes (apologies if posted somewhere else already - been a long day):

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/56015/aikens-surgery-highlights-amateur-inequities?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 01, 2015, 03:17:01 pm
Keith Law just tweeted out that Matuella has a torn UCL and will have TJS.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on April 01, 2015, 03:21:16 pm
Keith Law just tweeted out that Matuella has a torn UCL and will have TJS.

Hmm.  That could make him an interesting 2nd rounder if he lasts that long.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 01, 2015, 03:49:38 pm
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Where Matuella falls depends largely on teams’ opinions of his medical record, but officials with two clubs—one on the area level, one a more senior evaluator—indicated Matuella already was off their draft boards due to medical concerns, and that was before the news of his UCL tear.

Ouch.  I don't have any kind of medical background, but I'm surprised there are teams that wouldn't have spent even a 3rd or 4th-round (let alone a 3rd-day pick) on him before his surgery announcement.  I've said before that his back concerned me, but that's a complete lack in his ability in the filler rounds.  Perhaps money plays a heavy part in their dismissals, which I get, but completely dropping the guy in what is shaping up to be a fairly handicapped draft class seems rough.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on April 01, 2015, 04:32:55 pm
Ouch.  I don't have any kind of medical background, but I'm surprised there are teams that wouldn't have spent even a 3rd or 4th-round (let alone a 3rd-day pick) on him before his surgery announcement.  I've said before that his back concerned me, but that's a complete lack in his ability in the filler rounds.  Perhaps money plays a heavy part in their dismissals, which I get, but completely dropping the guy in what is shaping up to be a fairly handicapped draft class seems rough.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/)

Exactly.  If the talent's there, take a flier, like the Mengden pick last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 01, 2015, 04:38:49 pm
I'm in the other camp.  I'd avoid those types.  The residual memory of their past success/ability seems to cloud too many minds.  I suppose that with the right data, a club might feel that they have an edge, but my gut tells me that clubs shouldn't discount previous injuries more than they do.  It's totally anecdotal on my part, but I have trouble forgetting Jack Armstrong and Matt Purke.  
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 01, 2015, 07:04:46 pm
Callis analyzes the top of the draft (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/114927908/top-of-2015-draft-board-remains-murky) post Matuella.

After Brendan Rodgers at #1...

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Though they acknowledged that he's more of a solid player than a franchise cornerstone, both scouting directors said they would take [Dansby] Swanson with the second overall choice as of now.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Astrofan59 on April 01, 2015, 07:47:14 pm
"I think this Draft is going to be defined as very erratic," an AL scouting executive said. "There's some depth but there's not a lot of top-end talent. No one is distancing himself from the rest of the pack, so it's a strange Draft to project what's going on at the top."

Astros cannot catch a break.  2 of the top 5 picks and there is a lack of top end talent.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 03, 2015, 09:42:15 am
I'm in the other camp.  I'd avoid those types.  The residual memory of their past success/ability seems to cloud too many minds.  I suppose that with the right data, a club might feel that they have an edge, but my gut tells me that clubs shouldn't discount previous injuries more than they do.  It's totally anecdotal on my part, but I have trouble forgetting Jack Armstrong and Matt Purke. 

It depends on the type/severity of the injury. Shoulder injuries are generally going to be riskier than UCL injuries, etc. But, it should be a case-by-case basis with risk/reward factored in. I definitely don't have a problem offering less with the increased level of risk (and think it should be that way).

Really, if a club thinks a guy has a 20% chance of being an 50 grade player (or however they want to grade them) because of injury concerns, how does that compare to the other options available at that point in the draft. If the other available players have a ceiling of a 40 player, with a 30% chance of being a utility player, is it worth grabbing the higher-ceiling player? Of course, if Matuella is right, he has a much higher ceiling, but that's just the way I look at it.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 04, 2015, 10:09:38 pm
Abbreviated version this week.

Weekend pitching and hitting performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks



Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 04, 2015, 11:06:29 pm
Thanks once again, Nate.

A few tidbits from a local story (http://www.keyt.com/sports/dillon-tate-throws-a-complete-game-to-take-down-fresno-state-21/32168860) on Tate's outing:
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Tate, who entered the game with the ninth most strikeouts in the NCAA, has now fanned at least eight batters in seven of his eight starts this season.

He didn't reach a three-ball count until the penultimate batter of the game, with FS center fielder Jake Stone laying off three consecutive two-pitch offerings to earn his team's only base on balls of the day.

Tate recovered nicely after allowing a double on the very first pitch of the afternoon, allowing just two hits from that point through the end of the eighth inning. He was especially impressive in innings two through five, as he faced the minimum while needed seven pitches or less to get through the side each time.

He didn't have any wiggle room either, as it was a 2-1 UCSB victory.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 06, 2015, 10:12:15 am
Couple of Callis tweets/thoughts:

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Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB  · 2h2 hours ago 
Yes, could go top 5-10 picks @OneOfTheMikes: Any idea if Kyle Tucker might be moving up draft boards? If so, how high could he go? @MLBDraft

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB  · 2h2 hours ago 
Rodgers clear No. 1 for me. Swanson or Tate at 2 right now. @RGBIII: favorite to go number one overall this year? Second? @MLBDraft

First time I've heard Tucker mentioned that high.  But, with all the injury problems, lack of impact talents, not hard to see why he could go in that range.  Second tweet made sense in that light, as well.  Tate has the talent to be a legitimate option there and he won't be the first guy to balloon that high, that quickly.  But, Swanson just seems to be a guy lucky enough to be very good, but ranked higher because of the issues others are having.  Decent 5-10 pick, but not someone I like as a top 2 option.  But, I felt the same way about Moran, also. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 06, 2015, 06:57:40 pm
BA today on Phil Bickford (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-draft-prospects-stat-roundup-week-8-4/):

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Bickford has slowly but surely come on this spring. Early in the season he was consistently throwing in the low 90s, with the same lean, projectable body and blazing arm speed that lead the Blue Jays to select him with the 10th overall pick in 2013. The Southern California native has since peaked at 97 mph, and has incorporated his slider and changeup more often. His heater sits in the 91-94 range, but he has shown the ability to dial it up to 95 or 96 when necessary.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 06, 2015, 08:38:41 pm
From the tease of K. Law's latest ESPN article (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=3819):

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Virginia lefty Nathan Kirby is the top southpaw in the college ranks in this draft and is widely expected within the industry to go off the board in the first five picks. I saw his start on Saturday against Louisville at home, and what I saw from him was very similar to what I saw last year: a back-end starter who belongs somewhere in the latter half of the first round, even in a weak draft class.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 06, 2015, 08:53:44 pm
From the tease of K. Law's latest ESPN article (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=3819):
? Is he making any particular point there other than "I'm smarter/know better than almost every MLB front office"?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 06, 2015, 08:59:14 pm
? Is he making any particular point there other than "I'm smarter/know better than almost every MLB front office"?

Hey, it's Law.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 07, 2015, 05:28:26 am
? Is he making any particular point there other than "I'm smarter/know better than almost every MLB front office"?
Consider. The. Source.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 07, 2015, 05:53:48 pm
PG profile on Dillon Tate (http://www.d1baseball.com/columns/golden-spikes-spotlight-dillon-tate/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on April 08, 2015, 09:13:24 am
PG profile on Dillon Tate (http://www.d1baseball.com/columns/golden-spikes-spotlight-dillon-tate/).

He is a very muscular guy.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 08, 2015, 11:01:17 am
He is a very muscular guy.

I am liking Tate, as well.  I don't know that he grades out really well compared to the other top pitchers of the past few drafts, but in this draft, he does look good.  I'd still take Aiken (pre-medical), Appel, Gray, Rodon (as frustrating as he was), and Gausman ahead of him and probably in the same tier of Kohl Stewart, Kyle Zimmer, and Aaron Nola. 

Callis had a few draft-related tweets this morning:

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Re who your favorite team might pick ... top of @MLBDraft more muddled than usual, Brandon Rodgers is clear No. 1 for me, then it's a jumble

Crystal ball very murky, but if I had to wild-guess on @Astros right now at 2 & 5 I'd go with Dansby Swanson & Kyle Tucker. @MLBDraft

Allard hurt also, too high for both of them. @DAmadorC: possibility @Astros draft Allard at 2 & another HS kid (Cameron) at 5? @MLBDraft

No, think someone will try to buy low on big upside. @NotJoeMomma25: Think Matuella falls out of the 1st rd b/c of all the issues? @MLBDraft

He had Swanson as a candidate for #5 a couple of weeks ago.  Of course, it's "muddled", but I don't know what Swanson would have done to move past Tate.  Also, Tucker must really be shooting up boards. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 09, 2015, 11:43:29 pm
From a K Law chat  (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51714)earlier today:

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Wilting Flower (Santa Barbara)

Do the DBacks pick Rodgers or Tate with the first pick?
Klaw  (4:39 PM)

I've heard those two and [Daz] Cameron, but I would guess they're looking at a few other players too. I've got Rodgers first on my own list.

Interesting to see Cameron resurface as a 1/1 candidate.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 12, 2015, 12:20:31 am
Note the sidebar in this article (I've seen several other mentions of the original ESPN Insider article from several days ago so it's not a misprint):

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ESPN draft guru Keith Law released his top 50 prospects for June’s Major League Baseball draft and slotted UA shortstop Kevin Newman at No. 2.

That is...odd.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 12, 2015, 08:03:43 am
Is Newman the Ozzie-esque glove one?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 12, 2015, 01:27:40 pm
Is Newman the Ozzie-esque glove one?

No, Kal Simmons out of Kennesaw State is the one you're thinking of. Newman is probably one of the better hitters in the draft (won 2 Cape batting titles), but has 0 HR in his 2+ seasons. He is hitting the ball harder, with 12 doubles already, but he's never going to be a masher (or even average power hitter). Defensively, the report on him coming into the season was that his tools didn't say he would stick at shortstop, but his instincts could. I haven't seen much on him during the season, but I don't see what makes him that high of a prospect, even in this class. He doesn't even seem as good as Swanson.

For reference, Simmons is an even lighter hitter. But, I would take him in the second or later if he can provide that much value at short.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 12, 2015, 02:04:41 pm
Is Newman the Ozzie-esque glove one?

San Diego's Kyle Holder is the one I've seen get the most raves for this glove.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 12, 2015, 05:44:58 pm
In a draft light on power hitters, two go down with injury in the past few days. Boston College 1B Chris Shaw is likely out for a month with a broken hamate bone. South Carolina HSer OF Kep Brown out for year with a torn achilles.

Both are/were potential 1st rounders.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 12, 2015, 11:01:50 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 13, 2015, 04:06:35 pm
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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  46 minutes ago
Nikorak and Funkhouser stepping up as others fall back MT @JBrownPG Quick 1st for Mike Nikorak, K'ing the side w/a steady diet of 93-96.

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Jheremy Brown ‏@JBrownPG  49 minutes ago
Quick 1st for Mike Nikorak, K'ing the side with a steady diet of 93-96 mph FBs. 2S showing late life @ 91/92 w hard biting CB @ 82.

Nikorak is a 6'5" righty from a HS in Pennsylvania. Here's a profile (http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2015/01/03/mike-nikorak-looks-to-pitch-his-way-to-the-top-of-draft-boards/) on him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 13, 2015, 04:35:09 pm
BA compares Brendan Rodgers (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/ask-ba-brendan-rodgers-ceiling/) to other HS shortstops taken at the top of the draft.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 13, 2015, 04:43:45 pm
I've been unmotivated to care about the draft, but now I'm getting mildly interested.  I thought I heard Ferrin talk about a SS with a legit 70 glove (as opposed to a message board 70) and IIRC, he was a college player.  Who might that be? 

Sorry if I am rehashing old news.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on April 13, 2015, 04:48:47 pm
I've been unmotivated to care about the draft, but now I'm getting mildly interested.  I thought I heard Ferrin talk about a SS with a legit 70 glove (as opposed to a message board 70) and IIRC, he was a college player.  Who might that be? 

Sorry if I am rehashing old news.

Check out the last few posts on page 16.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 13, 2015, 04:54:58 pm
Thanks.  The way Ferrin (I think) was talking, I expected universal acknowledgement by the baseball community, but I guess it is either Holder or Simmons.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 14, 2015, 09:46:16 am
Thanks.  The way Ferrin (I think) was talking, I expected universal acknowledgement by the baseball community, but I guess it is either Holder or Simmons.

Simmons is good and is the first defensive whiz I came across (60 or 70, depending on the scout), but Holder is the gold standard defensively in this class.  Simmons has more bat, but neither is exciting offensively.   
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 14, 2015, 05:58:19 pm
Here's a further take (including video) (http://www.perfectgame.org/blogs/Entry.aspx?entry=41036) on Pennsylvania HSer RHP Mike Nikorak which ends with this:

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Currently ranked #8 overall in the 2015 high school rankings per Perfect Game, Nikorak solidified himself as one of the top arms in the country, regardless prep or college. He should hear his named called in the first half of the first round, climbing higher as he continues throwing well throughout the spring.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 14, 2015, 06:36:34 pm
More on Funkhouser's outing (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/three-strikes-week-9/) this past weekend against Duke which wow'd some draft folks:

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Last Friday, Funkhouser did just that in an eye-opening performance in front of a cadre of MLB scouts. With a thinning pitching draft class due to injury and ineffectiveness, Funkhouser could have thrust himself into consideration for the first overall pick—certainly the top five.

He touched as high as 98 mph but worked comfortably at 92-96 and touched 97 with regularity, mixing in a mid-80s slider as an out pitch, a show-me curveball and a two-seamer in the high 80s that he used as a pseudo offspeed offering. He threw “three or four” true changeups, he said, which were firm with sinking action.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 14, 2015, 07:16:15 pm
Another "helium" guy to follow is draft-eligible sophomore Arkansas CF Andrew Benintendi, who leads D1 with 13 homers and is currently hitting .359/.459/.742.

Here's a profile on him from last week (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/apr/10/beefed-up-benintendi-gives-hogs-more-ba/) in the local newspaper.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 14, 2015, 07:32:09 pm
I've been tracking Jose Vizcaino, Jr. for several months, originally on the belief that he was a mid-round prospect (well that and the bloodlines of course). But his terrific improvement this season has changed things according to Frankie Piliere (http://www.d1baseball.com/the-buzz/draft-buzz-san-diego-duo-making-waves/):

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...has found himself climbing draft boards in a hurry in recent weeks. Through his first 29 games, Vizcaino is hitting .351 with six home runs and seven stolen bases. He’s impressed scouts with his above average bat speed and overall athleticism, proving he can play a premium position at the next level. Vizcaino is now being looked at as a potential top three round type selection.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 14, 2015, 10:01:47 pm
More on Funkhouser's outing (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/three-strikes-week-9/) this past weekend against Duke which wow'd some draft folks:
A lot of those folks probably booked their itinerary for that game back when it was going to be Matuella vs. Funkhouser.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 15, 2015, 06:12:08 pm
PG article (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=10873) about what they say is a strong HS class out of Florida this year (though there are a couple of 2016 kids in there as well). Rodgers, Tucker, RHP Austin Smith, RHP Triston McKenzie and OF Daniel Reyes of that group have been previously identified as possible 1st rounders/early 2nd rounders.

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Frankie Piliere @FPiliereD1  · 6 hours ago
Prep RHP Austin Smith (Boynton Beach, FL) w/ an impressive showing last night. 92-94 mph all game, T96 in front of about 35 scouts.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 15, 2015, 08:34:20 pm
Another HS pitcher that seems to be rising of late:

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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  2 hours ago
Indiana prep RHP Ashe Russell was up to 97 mph yesterday and the stuff was crisp, like his better moments last summer.

FWIW, he is an Aggie commit.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 15, 2015, 09:24:22 pm
FWIW, he is an Aggie commit.
Well, hope he gets drafted real high.

How are the Aggies getting Indiana players?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on April 15, 2015, 09:59:49 pm
How are the Aggies getting Indiana players?

Ignorance
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on April 15, 2015, 10:02:27 pm
Well, hope he gets drafted real high.

How are the Aggies getting Indiana players?

They want to go someplace more GLBT friendly.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 15, 2015, 10:04:49 pm
They want to go someplace more GLBT friendly.
Bravo.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 15, 2015, 11:56:19 pm
Another "helium" guy to follow is draft-eligible sophomore Arkansas CF Andrew Benintendi, who leads D1 with 13 homers and is currently hitting .359/.459/.742.

Reached base 4 times tonight in the Arkansas win over SFA, scoring 4 times while also hitting his 14th longball and swiping 3 bases. Now 15-18 in steals and 27 walks vs 20 strikeouts on the year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 16, 2015, 08:13:14 pm
D1Baseball.com, which has poached some quality writers, such as Nathan Rode, Frankie Pliere, and Kendall Rogers over the past year, posted their top 100 HS draft prospects today. The entire list can be seen with a subscription, but the top 10 can be seen without. Brendan Rodgers is still the guy at #1, but #2 is a guy I haven't seen before. Here's what they say:

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One of the most interesting battles to watch atop this list is the one for the title of best high school pitching prospect. For now, hard throwing northeast righty, Alabama commitment Mike Nikorak, has taken hold of that title, as he’s come out of a cold winter with a mid-90s fastball and a hard, late biting curveball.

http://www.d1baseball.com/the-buzz/high-school-top-100-with-commitments (http://www.d1baseball.com/the-buzz/high-school-top-100-with-commitments)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 16, 2015, 08:47:01 pm
but #2 is a guy I haven't seen before. . .

See replies  #323 and #328 in this thread from three days ago.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 16, 2015, 09:25:20 pm
Ben Cherington (Red Sox pick #7) in Columbia tonight for the Vandy/South Carolina game to check out Dansby Swanson or Carson Fulmer.  Both are doing pretty well: Fulmer shut out the Gamecocks thru 7 with 9 whiffs and 3hits/1walk allowed while Swanson with a couple of walks and a pair of sac flies.

ETA:
Fulmer’s last 2 outings: 16 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 23 K.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 17, 2015, 12:32:08 pm
See replies  #323 and #328 in this thread from three days ago.

On another page?  Well, that's too much effort.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2015, 02:55:51 pm
Kiley McDonald is out with his updated draft rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-rankings-april-edition/) and had this to say:

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Houston appears to be focused on the consensus top three prospects — Rodgers, Dillon Tate, and Dansby Swanson — as their target at #2 overall, though that shouldn’t be seen as surprising since the whole industry would be doing the same thing with that pick. With a dropoff after those three, Houston has the leverage to pit two players against each other to make sure they get a signable player with the compensatory pick from the Brady Aiken fiasco. At #5, Houston has been tied to Kyle Tucker and Daz Cameron, who they’ve both been scouting heavily, but it’s too early to think even Houston knows who they’re taking at that pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 17, 2015, 04:45:39 pm
McDonald also had some interesting things to say about Aiken. I won't post all of it here, but here are some  of the highlights:

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There is persistent, consistent and detailed buzz coming from many sources that there is more to Aiken’s injury than just a clean surgery like Erick Fedde, Jeff Hoffman or Lucas Giolito from recent years...I won’t repeat the specific rumors, but the worst versions of it say there are career-threatening issues at play while others say it’s just an increased injury risk going forward.

This gels with Law's chat where he echoes the rumblings that it may not have been a routine surgery.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 17, 2015, 05:01:28 pm
BA updated their Top 50 list, with the top three, followed by Bregman and Funkhouser. Again, the most interesting information isn't the rankings, but the commentary. While not directly related to Houston, there was this note:

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The industry was awash with buzz that the Diamondbacks, who select first, and especially new GM Dave Stewart, are enamored with Tate, making him a potential No. 1 overall pick...“The stuff is top-of-the-draft stuff,” a National League crosschecker said, citing Tate’s mid-90s fastball, slider and changeup, all of which scouts grade as at least plus, “it’s just not the typical track record of a No. 1 overall pick.”

Doesn't mean Arizona is leaning toward Tate, but it may not be a slam dunk that Rodgers goes 1/1, either.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/top-50-draft-prospects/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/top-50-draft-prospects/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2015, 05:49:05 pm
Just to complete the roundup of links to draft update postings, Jim Callis of MLB.com in a Q&A yesterday said there were 5 and maybe 6 guys who were consensus top ten picks at this point: beyond the Rodgers/Tate/Swanson triumvirate he listed Bregman and Funkhouser with "many evaluators" adding Kyle Tucker to the list. Nothing much beyond that at this link (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/118681250/jim-callis-pipeline-inbox-is-there-a-consensus-top-three-in-the-2015-mlb-draft) other than the obligatory "boy, the top of the draft is really unsettled" comments.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on April 17, 2015, 06:53:24 pm
McDonald also had some interesting things to say about Aiken. I won't post all of it here, but here are some  of the highlights:

This gels with Law's chat where he echoes the rumblings that it may not have been a routine surgery.

Wow...career ending.  I want the Astros to look good in this, but if that happened I would definitely feel bad for the kid.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on April 17, 2015, 09:19:29 pm
Kirby out of the game tonight in the 4th with a strained lay.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 18, 2015, 09:04:01 am
Kirby out of the game tonight in the 4th with a strained lay.

Guess it really does affect your performance.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on April 18, 2015, 09:06:51 am
Guess it really does affect your performance.

I wonder how it's diagnosed?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on April 18, 2015, 09:14:34 am
I wonder how it's diagnosed?
Detailed video study
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 18, 2015, 12:24:50 pm
Detailed video study
And couple's counseling, perhaps.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2015, 12:32:25 am
It's contagious.

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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  1 hour ago
The #2 prospect in the draft, UC Santa Barbara righty Dillon Tate, has been scratched from his start this weekend. Sounds like lat strain.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 19, 2015, 11:11:00 am
It's contagious.
Why wasn't he scheduled to pitch Friday, in the first place?

In any case, I don't think anyone could blame the Astros if they're feeling very gun-shy about spending a high pick on pitching right now, given their own issues with the past two 1/1s, and the general epidemic of major arm issues across the amateur and pro ranks.

So it would not surprise me at all if they take either Rodgers or Swansby with the #2 pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 19, 2015, 02:06:54 pm
Why wasn't he scheduled to pitch Friday, in the first place?

In any case, I don't think anyone could blame the Astros if they're feeling very gun-shy about spending a high pick on pitching right now, given their own issues with the past two 1/1s, and the general epidemic of major arm issues across the amateur and pro ranks.

So it would not surprise me at all if they take either Rodgers or Swansby with the #2 pick.

Issue doesn't seem to be too worrisome:

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@longenhagen: Dillon Tate scratched from his start today due to a strained lat he sustained in the weight room. Better safe than sorry.

What's wrong with Appel, by the way? He had a rough stint in Lancaster, but has been fine, outside of that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Astrofan59 on April 19, 2015, 03:12:48 pm

What's wrong with Appel, by the way? He had a rough stint in Lancaster, but has been fine, outside of that.

I agree.  Bryant has helium, but I think Appel turns out to be an excellent selection.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on April 19, 2015, 05:18:32 pm
Wow...career ending.  I want the Astros to look good in this, but if that happened I would definitely feel bad for the kid.

Why isn't the media frying Close over an open flame? 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 19, 2015, 05:56:40 pm
Why isn't the media frying Close over an open flame?

I pointed that out last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Close faces a malpractice action.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 19, 2015, 08:22:28 pm
Maybe Aiken was calling the shots and ignored Close's advice. It's possible.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on April 19, 2015, 09:12:15 pm
Maybe Aiken was calling the shots and ignored Close's advice. It's possible.

Maybe, but it doesn't fit the facts.  Close was outspoken through the whole negotiation.   Hard to believe he was saying take the deal while bad mouthing the Astros. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 19, 2015, 10:40:22 pm
What's wrong with Appel, by the way? He had a rough stint in Lancaster, but has been fine, outside of that.
"A rough stint" is a bit of an understatement. He got rocked, time after time after time. Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on him, and I'm very encouraged by what he's done in CC and the AFL. But I think we can all agree some of the shine has worn off.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2015, 11:26:07 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 20, 2015, 09:45:53 am
"A rough stint" is a bit of an understatement. He got rocked, time after time after time. Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on him, and I'm very encouraged by what he's done in CC and the AFL. But I think we can all agree some of the shine has worn off.

No, I'll stick to rough stint.  Between the AFL (2.61 ERA), Spring Training (2.57 ERA), and his (albeit brief) start to this season at AA (.90 ERA), I'm as high on him as ever.  By saying the club might be jaded against pitchers because of his performance would imply that Lancaster is the expected norm from him; that just isn't the case.  He still looks to be a very good MLB pitcher and I think they should have no problem with that.  There is definitely not reason to alter draft patterns because of him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on April 20, 2015, 12:29:37 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

  • Dillon Tate, UCSB RHP--as previously noted, held out this weekend due to strained lat. Never drafted.
  • Dansby Swanson, Vanderbilt SS--went 3-10 against the Gamecocks with a double, 2 walks and 2 sac flies. Now at .360/.460/.640 for the year. 12 for 14 in SBs. 30 walks vs 29 strikeouts. 38th round pick in 2012 out of HS.
  • Alex Bregman, LSU SS--in a pair of games against Georgia, went 2-8 with a walk and a HBP but (rare for him) did whiff 3 times. Puts his season numbers at .329/.419/.601. Just 11 strikeouts in 158 ABs. 23 out of 27 in SBs. 29th round pick in 2012 out of HS.
  • Kyle Funkhouser, Louisville RHP--mediocre Funkhouser resurfaced this week vs Wake Forest (7.2 IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 4 W, 4 K) after wowing folks the previous weekend. Funkhouser has 22 walks in 48.2 innings against ACC competition. Never drafted.
  • Nathan Kirby, Virginia LHP--also as previously noted, left game against Miami after three scoreless with the same issue as Mr. Tate. Never drafted.
  • Carson Fulmer and Walker Buehler, Vanderbilt RHPs--Fulmer dominated South Carolina this weekend (7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 W, 9 K) while Buehler didn’t (6.1 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 3 W, 6 K). 15th round and 14th round selections, respectively, in 2012 out of HS. Buehler missed several starts early and on restricted pitch count in several others due to elbow soreness.
  • Ian Happ, Cincinnati INF/OF--McTaggart says the Astros were scouting Happ this weekend. Not exactly news for a number of different reasons, but given the Bearcats were at UofH that might have made travel logistics just a teensy bit easier. The switch-hitter didn’t put on the greatest of shows, going just 1-10 against the Coogs and striking out 3 times. Currently at .374/.497/.672. 34 strikeouts in 131 ABs. Just 5-11 in SB attempts. Playing OF for the Bearcats, there’s some debate as to where his future position lies in the pros (some believe 2B is a possibility). Never drafted.

The more I look the more I'm thinking that if Rodgers goes 1 then Fulmer goes 2.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on April 20, 2015, 01:15:40 pm
The more I look the more I'm thinking that if Rodgers goes 1 then Fulmer goes 2.

The more I look, the more I think I haven't a clue who is going first and second.  I'm guessing all the fluctuation is a strong sign the draft is weak.  Seems like any kind of a roll these guys have pushes them to the front of the conversation.   And any bad start sends them to the back of the pack.  Scouts will be earning their salary this year
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 21, 2015, 04:55:03 pm
Kiley McDonald is out with his updated draft rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-rankings-april-edition/)...

From the comments section of that article:

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Question: Do we know who Casey Close represents in this draft and if there’s any linger issues with him and the Astros that might lead to the Astros not picking one of his guys?

Kiley McDaniel says: I know, but I won’t be reporting the names, since that helps the NCAA take leverage/eligibility away from these kids. Houston has been scouting all of Close’s players except for Aiken, so they don’t appear to be avoiding his clients, but I wouldn’t count on them taking one with a high pick. Close reps 7 of the top 14 prospects on this list.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on April 21, 2015, 05:05:46 pm
From the comments section of that article:

Wow. That could be a huge factor for them.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 21, 2015, 06:08:36 pm
I suspect McDaniel's take is vastly over-stated.  If it is not, that's a shame, IMO, as it isn't in the best interests of either party to be petulant over this.  Close isn't in a position to act almighty after Aiken's injury and Luhnow can't limit his potential assets.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 21, 2015, 06:45:06 pm
I don't get why he won't report the agent/advisor names. Doesn't that become public knowledge (for all the 1st-round picks at least) well before the draft anyway? Is there some reason that isn't expected to happen this year?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on April 21, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
I suspect McDaniel's take is vastly over-stated.  If it is not, that's a shame, IMO, as it isn't in the best interests of either party to be petulant over this.  Close isn't in a position to act almighty after Aiken's injury and Luhnow can't limit his potential assets.

On second thought, I think you are right. The slotting system takes most of the negotiating out of it doesn't it?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 21, 2015, 07:32:23 pm
Another "helium" guy to follow is draft-eligible sophomore Arkansas CF Andrew Benintendi, who leads D1 with 13 homers and is currently hitting .359/.459/.742.

Here's a profile on him from last week (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/apr/10/beefed-up-benintendi-gives-hogs-more-ba/) in the local newspaper.

And a profile article today from PG (http://www.d1baseball.com/features/golden-spikes-spotlight-andrew-benintendi/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on April 21, 2015, 08:11:39 pm
I suspect McDaniel's take is vastly over-stated.  If it is not, that's a shame, IMO, as it isn't in the best interests of either party to be petulant over this.  Close isn't in a position to act almighty after Aiken's injury and Luhnow can't limit his potential assets.

It probably is but if so it really doesn't matter much from an Astros position IMO.  As muddled as 2-5 are they could avoid Close clients without it looking bad or sacrificing talent.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 21, 2015, 09:23:56 pm
Nathan Kirby out 6-8 weeks (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/virginias-kirby-6-8-weeks-lat-strain/) after that lat strain.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 21, 2015, 10:44:46 pm
It probably is but if so it really doesn't matter much from an Astros position IMO.  As muddled as 2-5 are they could avoid Close clients without it looking bad or sacrificing talent.
Unless Rodgers is a Close Client, and the D-backs take Tate. Then it could look bad if the Astros passed on Rodgers.

But I'm guessing from what McDaniels says that Rodgers, Tate, and Swanson are probably all non-Close guys (probably Bora$).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BUWebguy on April 22, 2015, 02:04:57 pm
No, I'll stick to rough stint.  Between the AFL (2.61 ERA), Spring Training (2.57 ERA), and his (albeit brief) start to this season at AA (.90 ERA), I'm as high on him as ever.  By saying the club might be jaded against pitchers because of his performance would imply that Lancaster is the expected norm from him; that just isn't the case.  He still looks to be a very good MLB pitcher and I think they should have no problem with that.  There is definitely not reason to alter draft patterns because of him.

For reference:
Appel at Lancaster: 2-5, 9.74 ERA, 12 G, 12 GS, 44.1 IP, 74 H, 40 K, 11 BB
Appel outside Lancaster: 6-3, 3.41 ERA, 19 G, 18 GS, 87 IP, 75 H, 79 K, 24 BB

That doesn't include AFL or spring training; just Tri-City, Quad Cities and Corpus.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 24, 2015, 09:32:48 pm
Mac Marshall returned to the hill today for Chipola after recovering from the broken thumb. Went 3 scoreless, allowing 2 hits and a walk while whiffing 4.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 25, 2015, 08:24:26 pm
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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  4 minutes ago
HOU GM Jeff Luhnow was at the Vandy game last night & BOS GM Ben Cherington was in last week both for Carson Fulmer starts & obv Swanson too.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 25, 2015, 09:06:25 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 26, 2015, 05:33:02 pm
Weekend performances and news (including Sunday updates) plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Astrofan59 on April 27, 2015, 09:54:21 pm
MLB.com has updated and expanded it draft rankings

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=draft
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 28, 2015, 01:54:19 am
MLB.com has updated and expanded it draft rankings.

Just comparing:

MLB.com
1. Rodgers
2. Tate
3. Swanson
4. Funkhouser
5. Bregman
6. Nikorak
7. Fulmer
8. Tucker
9. Buehler
10. Jon Harris, Missouri State RHP (#22 on BA and #23 on FG)

BA (April 17)
1. Rodgers
2. Tate
3. Swanson
4. Bregman
5. Funkhouser
6. Fulmer
7. Kirby (#16 on FG and #20 on MLB.com)
8. Buehler
9. Trenton Clark, Richland TX HS OFer (#19 on FG and #13 on MLB.com)
10. Tucker

Kiley McDaniel/FG (April 17)
1. Rodgers
2. Tate
3. Swanson
4. Bregman
5. Funkhouser
6. Fulmer
7. Tucker
8. Newman (#24 on MLB.com and #28 on BA)
9. Happ (#14 on MLB.com and #17 on BA)
10. Nikorak



Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 28, 2015, 02:18:49 pm
Callis & Mayo each with a draft chat via Twitter.  Each took multiple Astros-related questions.  Here are a few Callis remarks:

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Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 30m30 minutes ago

Lot of people think it's not Rodgers, so my guess is Tate. @EDUBMora74: who do you think @DBacks get? @MLBDraft

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 31m31 minutes ago

Hearing @Astros associated w/several HS OF, him in particular. @webberoo11: what is reasoning of Cameron jumping all the way to 5? @MLBDraft

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 42m42 minutes ago

Keep hearing @Dbacks not on Rodgers, so he could be 2. @acohn1230: Think @Astros go Swanson or Tate at 2, assuming Rodgers is 1? @MLBDraft

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 56m56 minutes ago

Right now would guess Brendan Rodgers & Daz Cameron. Thinking two bats. @breid6791: best guess for @Astros picks at 2 and 5? @MLBDraft

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 28, 2015, 02:23:24 pm
So what's the story on this Daz Cameron? (Apologies if Cabrera-baiting.)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 28, 2015, 05:30:43 pm
So what's the story on this Daz Cameron? (Apologies if Cabrera-baiting.)

From Kiley McD's FG 4/17 draft rankings linked to earlier:

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Son of Mike Cameron was hyped early in his high school career as a potential 1-1 but hasn’t made the expected progress since then. He’s an above average to plus runner with the same kind of bat speed and average raw power, but the game performances were only okay over the summer and he’s facing weak competition this spring. He could easily go in the top 5-10 picks, but some teams don’t like him in the top 20.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 28, 2015, 11:38:12 pm
I would be shocked if they don't take at least one college player with either 2 or 5, given the talent available this year.

...unless the thought behind Cameron at 5 is to cut a deal there and take a tough-sign at #37? It seems too early for that specific a ploy to be leaking its way to the press.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on April 29, 2015, 08:56:25 am
Maybe it's just the whole MLB bloodlines things, but the DDS Jr. Experiment makes me kinda reluctant about Cameron.  Probably unfair, but the scouting report sounds pretty similar.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 29, 2015, 12:40:43 pm
Maybe it's just the whole MLB bloodlines things, but the DDS Jr. Experiment makes me kinda reluctant about Cameron.  Probably unfair, but the scouting report sounds pretty similar.

I'm not too worried about that, he's a different kind of player than DDS.  DDS was a burner who had some potential for home runs.  Cameron doesn't have the same speed, but uses good instincts to track down balls in the outfield, rather than relying on speed.  Cameron has a better arm than DDS (though not a cannon) and a better hit tool.  At this point, he feels like a safer pick than DDS was; lower ceiling, but a good chance to be a better all-around player.  Still not sure I like him at #5, but not because he looks like a wasted pick.   
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on April 29, 2015, 01:25:57 pm
The only comparison that scares me is that the Astros would be picking a guy well above his consensus position.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: toddthebod on April 29, 2015, 08:35:26 pm
Would the Astros consider taking 2 college starters with the two first round picks?  If the Astros are as close to being a playoff contender as they seem, does it make sense to draft people that could make a quick impact?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on April 30, 2015, 08:09:25 am
I hope they don't think this way, and just take the player they think will be best over the long haul, regardless of position or age.  Filling in the empty spaces on a roster is the job of a GM through trades and free agency, not through the draft.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: subnuclear on April 30, 2015, 08:26:04 am
Would the Astros consider taking 2 college starters with the two first round picks?  If the Astros are as close to being a playoff contender as they seem, does it make sense to draft people that could make a quick impact?

Hopefully, the Astros won't be getting picks like this again for a long while, so I think the best strategy is get the most value you can.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on April 30, 2015, 09:26:41 am
Hopefully, the Astros won't be getting picks like this again for a long while, so I think the best strategy is get the most value you can.
Exactly. "How soon can this guy help us?" is part of the equation, I'm sure; but hopefully it's way down the list and would never cause them to pick a guy they think is clearly not as good as a guy they pass on.

If they were placing a high priority on quick impact, they probably would've taken Rodon, not Aiken, last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 30, 2015, 10:36:39 am
Callis & Mayo mock the first 10 picks (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/121103208/jim-callis-jonathan-mayo-project-top-10-picks-in-2015-draft) (which in a weak draft at the top I suppose could have the other meaning as well). Callis does write that in addition to Cameron and Tucker the Astros have also been linked to Richland Hills HS (DFW area) outfielder Trent Clark.

MLB.com has him at #13 in their rankings and had this to say about him (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=draft):

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Clark has an unusual left-handed swing with a golf-style grip, but he makes repeated hard contact with his short stroke and above-average bat speed. Factor in his considerable strength and he should have at least average power. He also adds value on the bases with his solid speed and keen instincts. While he's not a true burner, Clark has a chance to stay in center field as a pro. Left field would be his likely fallback position and the Texas Tech commit should have enough bat to profile there if needed.

Kiley McDonald had him at #20 and said (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-rankings-april-edition/):

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Clark is a bit of a tweener that likely fits best in left field and has solid average raw power, but he’s ranked this high because he’s always hit and hit a ton.

And this pulled from a USA HS Sports article from last week (http://usatodayhss.com/2015/richland-hitter-trent-clark-studies-baseball-history-making-it):

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He’s been scouted by many, including Chicago Cubs president Theo Epstein for Tuesday’s night home game against Euless Trinity. Epstein kept a low profile (no Cubs gear, hat pulled down over eyes) but talked after the game to Clark, who also met with Rangers GM Jon Daniels and Michael Young earlier in day.

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Richland football coaches wanted Clark to play football so they put him on varsity as a freshman. He was fearless as he is in center fielder, could run past defenders and would have been one of the state’s top players. But as a sophomore, Clark decided to concentrate on his baseball future. He also came up with his thumbs-up batting style, which looks odd in baseball, but he picked it up from studying golfers.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 30, 2015, 11:56:27 am
In the same article, Callis has Cameron going #5 to the Astros, with Mayo putting him at #4 to the Rangers.  I don't know if this high draft spot is based on anything, but we'll see if it becomes a trend to see him in the top 10. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 01, 2015, 03:27:17 pm
I'm sure many are aware of the rule that players drafted cannot be traded in the 12-month period after the draft. Of course teams got around that rule using the rather notorious PTBNL exception (most egregiously in the case of Trea Turner when it actually got disclosed that he was the PTBNL resulting in him continuing to play in the Padres organization even though he's actually Nationals property).

Effective with the upcoming draft, MLB has changed the rule allowing draftees to be traded effective after the World Series. So a 12-month rule essentially becomes a 5-month rule. The PTBNL exception will no longer be allowed.

Although not really anything else to add to the above, Dave Cameron of FG with the story (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-fixes-the-trea-turner-problem-for-everyone-else/#more-185472).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 01, 2015, 07:16:07 pm
Quote
Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  59 minutes ago
I've mentioned the rumors all spring that the Astros are heavy on Daz Cameron. Houston GM Jeff Luhnow is at Cameron's playoff games today.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 01, 2015, 07:20:58 pm
In one of those Eagle's Landing Christian playoff games: Cameron singled, stole second, and then scored from 2B on a sac bunt.

ETA: also homered.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 02, 2015, 03:20:31 pm
Scored from 2B on a sac bunt, with no error charged? Damn. Whoever was covering 1B must've had Krazy glue on his throwing hand.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on May 02, 2015, 06:04:18 pm
Scored from 2B on a sac bunt, with no error charged? Damn. Whoever was covering 1B must've had Krazy glue on his throwing hand.

No. He's the second coming of Willie Mays Hayes.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on May 02, 2015, 06:08:17 pm
I may be more impressed with the bunter.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 03, 2015, 11:04:34 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on May 05, 2015, 09:08:30 am
A nice piece on Funkhouser. http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2015/5/4/8544183/2015-mlb-draft-profile-kyle-funkhouser-rhp-louisville

They claim he's a top 5 choice so Houston could have two shots at him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 06, 2015, 01:44:46 pm
From today's chat transcript (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51768/mlb-insider-keith-law):

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Q: You presented a scenario in your latest Insider post where Rodgers falls to the Rangers at 1.4. How likely do you think this is? Would the Astros at 1.2 be the main impediment to this happening?

Klaw  (1:24 PM): Astros are out on Rodgers, I'm told. I think the Rockies want a pitcher at 3, but I don't know if they'd pass on Rodgers for that.

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Q: Why are ARI and HOU both passing on Rodgers? $$?

Klaw  (1:28 PM):  I've heard Houston doesn't feel he's the best or second-best player, that he hasn't hit well enough this spring and that he hasn't shown well when they've seen him. That's all hearsay - most of this stuff is, mind you - but it might be the real reason. He's also going to be 18.8 on draft day, which the Astros weigh heavily, and there are some (IMO irrelevant) variables outside of that that may be giving Houston some pause.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 06, 2015, 05:04:04 pm
Quote
Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  15 minutes ago
Sources: Jacob Nix is no longer advised by Casey Close or Excel. Searching for new advisor ahead of draft.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on May 06, 2015, 05:34:06 pm
As well he should.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 06, 2015, 05:54:40 pm
As well he should.

Yep. Doesn't mean he forgives the Astros, but apparently he does want to wipe his hands of what happened last year and start fresh.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on May 06, 2015, 05:59:49 pm


If anyone has a claim against Close, it is Nix. Close had, in my opinion, an irreparable conflict of interest representing both players in a zero sum game.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 07, 2015, 08:16:02 am
From today's chat transcript (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51768/mlb-insider-keith-law):
Wonder what "variables" he could be referring to? Health issue? Personality?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 07, 2015, 10:27:35 am
Wonder what "variables" he could be referring to? Health issue? Personality?

Hard to imagine that personality and health could be considered irrelevant.  Could be money or perhaps he's a Cubs fan.

My guess is money.  The Astros are in a use it or lose it situation with their second pick.  Plus, with a plethora of top level injured players, picks 37 and 46 could be huge
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 07, 2015, 11:20:17 am
Hard to imagine that personality and health could be considered irrelevant.  Could be money or perhaps he's a Cubs fan.

My guess is money.  The Astros are in a use it or lose it situation with their second pick.  Plus, with a plethora of top level injured players, picks 37 and 46 could be huge
Law was responding to a question that directly asked if money was why the Astros might not be interested and he indicated otherwise.

By health issue I mean maybe something that Law in his expert opinion doesn't think is a big deal but the Astros do. But I have no clue what that could be, or how anyone would know about it.

Maybe Rodgers has Close as his agent, and that's what he meant. He also said "may be giving them pause" so it's entirely speculative.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 07, 2015, 12:58:35 pm
Law was responding to a question that directly asked if money was why the Astros might not be interested and he indicated otherwise.

By health issue I mean maybe something that Law in his expert opinion doesn't think is a big deal but the Astros do. But I have no clue what that could be, or how anyone would know about it.

Maybe Rodgers has Close as his agent, and that's what he meant. He also said "may be giving them pause" so it's entirely speculative.

Yeah I read the question and answer a couple of times.  It's 2 questions.  One is why would they pass and the second is money.   And the money question is just a couple of dollar signs.  He mentions nothing in his response about money.  and eludes to an irrelevant factor.  Which for most analysts, signability is irrelevant.  Health is almost never irrelevant.  Personality is usually not irrelevant and often referred to as intangibles. 

So my guess is either some weird statistic that Law does not believe in or he meant signability.  (whether that be due to Close, money demands, etc.).  Law is purposefully being vague.  Likely due to talking out his a__.  I mean when an analyst admits it's all hearsay and not from a "reliable" source, you know it's just wild speculation.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 07, 2015, 01:05:53 pm
Yeah I read the question and answer a couple of times.  It's 2 questions.  One is why would they pass and the second is money.   And the money question is just a couple of dollar signs.  He mentions nothing in his response about money.  and eludes to an irrelevant factor.  Which for most analysts, signability is irrelevant.  Health is almost never irrelevant.  Personality is usually not irrelevant and often referred to as intangibles. 

So my guess is either some weird statistic that Law does not believe in or he meant signability.  (whether that be due to Close, money demands, etc.).  Law is purposefully being vague.  Likely due to talking out his a__.  I mean when an analyst admits it's all hearsay and not from a "reliable" source, you know it's just wild speculation.

The only problem I see in this is that you didn't use the words "Law" and "ass" in the same sentence.  You really need to work harder.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 07, 2015, 01:10:07 pm
Kiley McDaniel of FG on what he's hearing about the D-Backs and their plans for 1/1 (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dbacks-plans-for-the-first-overall-pick-come-into-focus/):

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The one exception is at #1 overall, as I’ve heard from multiple sources that the D’Backs have engaged [Georgia prep C Tyler] Stephenson about a cut-rate deal as the top pick in the draft. The D’Backs are also on New York prep CF Garrett Whitley, who Stewart scouted again last night and is also believed to have been approached about a cut rate deal at #1 overall as well. The industry speculation is that the D’Backs’ preference is Whitley over Stephenson as cut-rate options at #1 overall and Georgia prep CF Daz Cameron (son of Mike Cameron) is also rumored to be in the mix, but likely behind Whitley and Stephenson. At this point, I’d call [Dillon] Tate and these three high school player the co-favorites to go #1 overall until more information comes in, as it’s clear to the whole industry that Arizona doesn’t know what they’re going to do yet.

He also indentifies the price tag for SS Brendan Rodgers is "at least" $6MM and Tate would be "just below" that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: BudGirl on May 07, 2015, 01:25:47 pm
The only problem I see in this is that you didn't use the words "Law" and "ass" in the same sentence.  You really need to work harder.

if only he had used a comma
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on May 07, 2015, 01:28:05 pm
He also indentifies the price tag for SS Brendan Rodgers is "at least" $6MM and Tate would be "just below" that.
It seems like in the slotted system, leaking out hard demands is risky.  "Appel to the Pirates" should be in the forefront of the agent's mind.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 07, 2015, 03:03:51 pm
Kiley McDaniel of FG on what he's hearing about the D-Backs and their plans for 1/1 (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dbacks-plans-for-the-first-overall-pick-come-into-focus/):

He also indentifies the price tag for SS Brendan Rodgers is "at least" $6MM and Tate would be "just below" that.

Take Tate at 5.9 and you have 1.5 million for later.  Could easily make a 3.5 million dollar pick at 37 (which comes before the Diamondbacks second pick of the draft). 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 07, 2015, 03:13:41 pm
Take Tate at 5.9 and you have 1.5 million for later.  Could easily make a 3.5 million dollar pick at 37 (which comes before the Diamondbacks second pick of the draft).

They also have pick 5.  An underslot deal could add another 1 mil or so.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 07, 2015, 04:50:34 pm
They also have pick 5.  An underslot deal could add another 1 mil or so.

Plus if they sign all their top 10 picks they could go $868,519 over without losing a draft pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 07, 2015, 06:00:46 pm
This doesn't seem like a draft where a $3-4m-type player is going to be available at #37, though, does it?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 07, 2015, 06:07:10 pm
BA came out with their Top 100 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/top-100-draft-prospects/) Draft Prospects today.
1-10:
Rodgers
Swanson
Tate
Funk
Bregman
Cameron
Fulmer
Garrett Whitley
Nikorak
Tucker
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 07, 2015, 07:42:32 pm
This doesn't seem like a draft where a $3-4m-type player is going to be available at #37, though, does it?

Actually I read the opposite.  Certainly a bunch of injured guys that could drop
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 07, 2015, 07:54:54 pm
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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  46 minutes ago
Daz Cameron's school lost the rubber match of their playoff series tonight & are eliminated. Daz was 0/3 with a K in his last AB in the 7th.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 07, 2015, 08:22:12 pm
Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart 49 minutes ago
Astros will hold invitation-only pre-Draft workouts on the last week of May in LA, Atlanta and Orlando and on June 6 in Houston.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 08, 2015, 05:09:51 pm
Both BA and FG released mock drafts today. The lists:

BA 5/8 Mock Draft (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-1-0/)
1. Tate
2. Swanson
3. Rodgers
4. Jon Harris
5. Tucker

FG 5/8 Mock Draft (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-far-too-early-2015-mlb-mock-draft/)
1. Swanson
2. Rodgers
3. Tate
4. Funkhouser
5. Cameron

Kiley McDonald does make the statement that the "buzz" is the Astros want 2 bats at #2 and #5.

As one would expect with the draft still a month away, if you go to the links and read what John Manuel and McDaniel have to say they're heavily caveated, present alternative scenarios, etc, etc, etc. Don't bother reading unless your dick really gets hard over this kind of stuff. It's called draft porn for a reason.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 08, 2015, 05:17:18 pm
There was this small nugget of information in the BA mock draft linked to above--Mac Marshall left his last start at Chipola with a "minor nerve issue" in his left elbow. That after missing 6 weeks prior to that with the broken thumb.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 08, 2015, 05:37:09 pm
Actually I read the opposite.  Certainly a bunch of injured guys that could drop
Well it's very possible that you've paid better attention than me. I'm assuming Matuella and Allard go in the Top 20 (a la Hoffman, Fedde, Giolito), Aiken is irrelevant for the Astros, Kirby seems likely to go before #37. Who else is there that's viewed as a Top-15-type talent?

I realize, of course, that a lot can change between now and June 8th, and that there may also be signability guys (a la McCullers) who drop that far, too.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 08, 2015, 07:20:11 pm
From the Comical (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/05/08/astros-have-options-with-picks-2-and-5-in-upcoming-draft/):

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According to a top American League scout, the 11 players currently under the Astros’ consideration for the No. 2 and 5 picks include five righthanded pitchers and six position players. The pitchers are Vanderbilt’s Walker Buehler and Carson Fulmer, Louisville’s Kyle Funkhouser, UC Santa Barbara’s Dillon Tate and Stroudsburg (Penn.) High’s Mike Nikorak. The position players are Lake Mary (Fla.) High shortstop Brendan Rodgers, who is currently rated as the top prospect in this draft by Baseball America, outfielder Daz Cameron of Eagle’s Landing Christian Academy of McDonough, Georgia, Vanderbilt shortstop Dansby Swanson, LSU shortstop Alex Bregman, University of Cincinnati outfielder Ian Happ and Tucker.

All are either expected names or guys previously tied to the Astros.

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Luhnow was at Angel Stadium with the Astros for the start of the four-game series against the Angels on Thursday before going on a scouting trip Friday.

I would guess he's in Fullerton to watch Dillon Tate. A pretty darn good pitcher on the hill as well for CS-F: Thomas Eshelman who was the subject of a recent SI profile (http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/07/thomas-eshelman-cal-state-fullerton-point-after). Extreme command guy who may go 3rd-5th round.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 08, 2015, 09:54:40 pm
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Nick Piecoro ‏@nickpiecoro  21 minutes ago
Spotted at least two GMs here watching Dillon Tate: Dbacks' Dave Stewart and Astros' Jeff Luhnow.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 09, 2015, 12:07:44 am
I would guess he's in Fullerton to watch Dillon Tate. A pretty darn good pitcher on the hill as well for CS-F: Thomas Eshelman who was the subject of a recent SI profile (http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/07/thomas-eshelman-cal-state-fullerton-point-after). Extreme command guy who may go 3rd-5th round.

Shortest outing of the year for Mr. Tate: 5.2 IP 5 H 2 ER 4 W 8 K.

Eshelman had the better of it in the game: 8 IP 3 H 0 ER 1 W 9 K. Check out his #s for the year: 95/6 strikeouts to walks in 96.1 IP.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 10, 2015, 06:01:56 pm
Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 10, 2015, 10:35:45 pm
Well it's very possible that you've paid better attention than me. I'm assuming Matuella and Allard go in the Top 20 (a la Hoffman, Fedde, Giolito), Aiken is irrelevant for the Astros, Kirby seems likely to go before #37. Who else is there that's viewed as a Top-15-type talent?

I realize, of course, that a lot can change between now and June 8th, and that there may also be signability guys (a la McCullers) who drop that far, too.

What I read was the draft while lacking a lot of elite talent guys, still has a good amount of players that are expected to be able to reach the majors.  It's my guess there is going to be a decent number of picks made in the first 15 picks that weren't suppose to go that early driving down some talented players.  And then you are choosing between the injured players and other highly talented players.  And some folks will fall.    And as you mention, add the signability factor in and you have a mess.  Anyways, a lack of top tier talent with the same number of major league potential prospects should make for some opportunities around the Stros 3rd and 4th picks. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 11, 2015, 09:54:23 am
Potential Top 5 Picks

  • Dillon Tate, UCSB RHP--as noted previously, earliest exit of the year for Tate as he lasted just 5 ⅔ against Cal State-Fullerton. Never drafted.
  • Dansby Swanson, Vanderbilt SS--went 1-7 in first 2 games of series against Florida before swatting 2 longballs in series finale (#8 & #9). Now .348/.440/.617 for the year. 12 for 14 in SBs. 34 walks vs 36 strikeouts. 38th round pick in 2012 out of HS.
  • Alex Bregman, LSU SS--went 4-12 with 2 BBs and 2 SBs vs #21 Mizzou. Puts his season numbers at .337/.424/.584. Just 17 strikeouts in 205 ABs. 28 out of 35 in SBs. 29th round pick in 2012 out of HS.
  • Kyle Funkhouser, Louisville RHP--something of a repeat of last week’s start against Clemson, getting ripped early by Florida State (6 runs allowed and 67 pitches thrown in first 2 innings with very shaky command) before settling in over the next 3 frames. Overall 5/6/6/5/5/6. Never drafted.
  • Carson Fulmer, Vanderbilt RHP--in a huge matchup against #8 Florida, the smallish righty came up...huge. CG shutout over the Gators with 11 whiffs and still tossing 95 mph gas into the 9th. Threw 124 pitches. 118 Ks now in 86.1 IP this season. 15th round selection in 2012 out of HS.
  • Walker Buehler, Vanderbilt RHP--kept Vandy in the game vs the Gators but that was about it (6.1/6/4/4/3/5). Threw 106 pitches. 66 Ks in 63 IP this season. Missed several starts early and on restricted pitch count in several others due to elbow soreness. 14th round selections in 2012 out of HS.
  • Ian Happ, Cincinnati INF/OF--the switch-hitter had a terrific weekend against UConn going 4-9 with 4 walks, a HBP, 2 doubles (#14 & #15) and 5 SBs. Currently at .370/.500/.688. 46 walks and 47 strikeouts in 173 ABs. Now 10-17 in SBs. Possible 2B in pros but currently playing OF for the Bearcats. Never drafted.[/b]

Fulmer again.  I can't help but think that despite his size and the pudnits' view of his mechanics that he's seriously in the running for #2 and/or #5.  Never injured and lights out stuff.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 11, 2015, 11:40:56 am
Don't have access to the article but BPs mock today (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26311) has:

1. Whitley
2. Swanson
3. Rodgers

edit:
The letters came off the finger tips but in the wrong order. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 11, 2015, 12:06:35 pm
1. Whilety Whitley
2. Swanson
3. Rodgers

From the writeup:

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The Diamondbacks haven’t come close to finalizing this decision, as I’ve been told they’re debating names like Dansby Swanson, Dillon Tate, and even Tyler Stephenson. Right now I believe the choice is Whitley though—for a number substantially lower than the $8.6 million dollars the slot comes with, and with three potential 60 tools, it’s not as massive a reach as some might believe.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on May 11, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
Don't have access to the article but BPs mock today (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26311) has:

1. Whitley
2. Swanson
3. Rodgers

edit:
The letters came off the finger tips but in the wrong order.

Alex Bregman (2B) at #5 to the Astros
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 11, 2015, 12:37:09 pm
Kiley McDaniel with this update (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-far-too-early-2015-mlb-mock-draft/) after the weekend's performances:

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UPDATE 5/11/15: Notes from this weekend’s college games: Dillon Tate was solid in front of GM’s from Arizona, Houston and Colorado. Dansby Swanson was even better, in front of decision makers from all the top teams, including Houston, who may still be debating whether they’d take Swanson or Rodgers if given the choice (Rodgers’ season is over). Carson Fulmer did what he usually does and probably has a home from picks 7-17 depending on how things fall on draft day, with an evaluation similar to Marcus Stroman and Sonny Gray as previous undersized righties with stellar track records and plus stuff.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 11, 2015, 01:00:44 pm
Fulmer again.  I can't help but think that despite his size and the pudnits' view of his mechanics that he's seriously in the running for #2 and/or #5.  Never injured and lights out stuff.

I've seen a number of his games on TV this year and have come away impressed every time despite the occasional command issues. The "max effort" delivery issue, I don't see how that pigeonholes him as a future reliever because he's still throwing hard late in games. Now if the "pudnits" are concerned that such a delivery is putting all sorts of stress on the arm and he's ripe for a breakdown, then maybe that's a reason to stay away. Otherwise, at this stage I won't be disappointed if the Astros take him (in an underslot deal of course).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 11, 2015, 02:03:08 pm
Following is a series of tweets from Kiley McDaniel (I've consolidated into a single entry for greater readability) which gives some insight into what may be the D-Backs thought process:

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Source: D'Backs have reached out to HS players other than GWhitley, TStephenson & DCameron about below slot deal as the #1 overall pick. Industry buzz still is ARZ leaning college at 1-1 & is price-shopping under guise of 1-1 bargain to find over-slot targets for picks 43 & 76. ARZ will save at least $2.5 million vs slot on the 1st overall pick & possibly as much as $5 million, to then apply savings to other picks. Savings would allow ARZ to hypothetically call player still on the board at #17 & tell him they have more than 17th slot for him at pick 43. Then player tells teams he wants $1M more than 17th slot to sign, increasing odds he slips to #43. This happened multiple times in '14 Draft.

If you're not already doing so, give him a follow: @kileymcd
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 11, 2015, 05:18:28 pm
Alex Bregman (2B) at #5 to the Astros
I guess it could fit the purest definition of "take the Best Player Available," but I would be pretty shocked if they took Swanson AND Bregman. Not only are they same-age SSs (creating logistical problems with where to play them as they go through the minors), but they seem like very similar profiles - fast and "gritty" with plus hit tool, not much HR power, good plate discipline, and neither strikes out very much. The main difference seems to be Swanson is regarded as a better fielder, while Bregman may or may not be a MLB-caliber SS, depending who you ask.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: kevwun on May 11, 2015, 09:57:28 pm
I don't think both being shortstops is that big of a concern.  It shouldn't be much of a problem to move one of them to another position if they like them both that much.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on May 12, 2015, 08:44:50 am
I don't think both being shortstops is that big of a concern.  It shouldn't be much of a problem to move one of them to another position if they like them both that much.

Yes, let's expend two very early picks on guys playing the same positions as Correa and Altuve.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: kevwun on May 12, 2015, 08:51:12 am
If someone can competently play shortstop and also hit, finding a spot for them to play isn't a problem.  I'm not saying they should draft either guy, but if they think they're the best option at those two picks, it can be made to work.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 12, 2015, 11:53:34 am
If someone can competently play shortstop and also hit, finding a spot for them to play isn't a problem.  I'm not saying they should draft either guy, but if they think they're the best option at those two picks, it can be made to work.
Sure, or they could be trade bait down the line. I still would be very very surprised if they drafted both.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 12, 2015, 12:31:06 pm
Sure, or they could be trade bait down the line. I still would be very very surprised if they drafted both.

I think that given Luhnow's track record of secrecy everything out there in print is a smokescreen.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 12, 2015, 12:58:58 pm
I think that given Luhnow's track record of secrecy everything out there in print is a smokescreen.

In the post-Heck era, it's been consensus.  Lot's of predraft names floated around, then they've taken the one that tops everyone's list.  Just 2 years so far, but Appel and Aiken were the consensus #1.  Small sample size of course.  But if they stay consistent, Mr Rodgers will be in the neighborhood. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 12, 2015, 01:03:48 pm
In the post-Heck era, it's been consensus.  Lot's of predraft names floated around, then they've taken the one that tops everyone's list.  Just 2 years so far, but Appel and Aiken were the consensus #1.  Small sample size of course.  But if they stay consistent, Mr Rodgers will be in the neighborhood.

This year looks much more like the Correa year to me.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 12, 2015, 01:11:05 pm
This year looks much more like the Correa year to me.

Correa was Heck.  Luhnow didn't want to mess with the draft so he let Heck finish out his job through the draft.  That's not to say Elias can't do the same. 

Your Fuhmer pick at #2 would be like a Correa pick.  Well at least at this point.  This year seems so unstable.  Fuhmer could be at the top of the draft lists by the time June 8th roles around. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 12, 2015, 01:23:22 pm
Correa was Heck.  Luhnow didn't want to mess with the draft so he let Heck finish out his job through the draft.  That's not to say Elias can't do the same. 

Your Fuhmer pick at #2 would be like a Correa pick.  Well at least at this point.  This year seems so unstable.  Fuhmer could be at the top of the draft lists by the time June 8th roles around.

I meant from the standpoint of the volatility of the top 3 or so.  The Aiken and Appel years seemed to be fairly stable with the names at the top.  This year not as much.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 12, 2015, 05:05:06 pm
I meant from the standpoint of the volatility of the top 3 or so.  The Aiken and Appel years seemed to be fairly stable with the names at the top.  This year not as much.

There is not suppose to be any confusion with the top spot.  Rodgers is suppose to be 3-hitter talent that should be able to stick at shortstop.  Arizona is apparently is upsetting the apple cart by trying to save a few million on the first pick.   

And then there is the Astros, who some folks are saying the Astros are not in on Rodgers.  Though that is admittedly hearsay by Law.  It will be interesting if the Astros buck the consensus BPA, because they really haven't done that since Elias has taken over (admittedly a small sample size). 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 12, 2015, 05:13:17 pm
There is not suppose to be any confusion with the top spot.  Rodgers is suppose to be 3-hitter talent that should be able to stick at shortstop.  Arizona is apparently is upsetting the apple cart by trying to save a few million on the first pick.   

And then there is the Astros, who some folks are saying the Astros are not in on Rodgers.  Though that is admittedly hearsay by Law.  It will be interesting if the Astros buck the consensus BPA, because they really haven't done that since Elias has taken over (admittedly a small sample size).
This was interesting, from BA's Top 100 Draft Chat: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-top-100-draft-prospects-chat/)
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Alan (Austin, TX): What's keeping AZ/HOU from selecting Rodgers? (Assuming rumors have merit) Make-up concerns?
Teddy Cahill: I don’t want to speak for the D-backs or the Astros here. I’m not privy to their thinking. And they may very well take him. But I don’t think that the industry views Rodgers as some sort of slam dunk first overall pick. He does a lot of things very well and looks like a future big leaguer. But in a more typical year, he might not be at the top of the class.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: AllHailCaptainCorrea on May 12, 2015, 10:25:23 pm
Correa was Heck.  Luhnow didn't want to mess with the draft so he let Heck finish out his job through the draft.  That's not to say Elias can't do the same. 

Your Fuhmer pick at #2 would be like a Correa pick.  Well at least at this point.  This year seems so unstable.  Fuhmer could be at the top of the draft lists by the time June 8th roles around.

Heck was just a  figurehead by that point. They only kept that group in place because they had already been scouting the 2012 class for several months. There is no doubt in my mind that Heck with final say would have gone with Buxton looking at his past picks for the team (raw, toolsy guys with upside and speed to burn like Springer and DDJ). Heck always said he liked to pick "best athlete available". Luhnow brought Elias in prior to that draft and Elias was one of the guys blown away by Correa's workout in Kissimmee. Correa was Luhnow/Elias all the way.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: AllHailCaptainCorrea on May 12, 2015, 10:46:59 pm
I guess it could fit the purest definition of "take the Best Player Available," but I would be pretty shocked if they took Swanson AND Bregman. Not only are they same-age SSs (creating logistical problems with where to play them as they go through the minors), but they seem like very similar profiles - fast and "gritty" with plus hit tool, not much HR power, good plate discipline, and neither strikes out very much. The main difference seems to be Swanson is regarded as a better fielder, while Bregman may or may not be a MLB-caliber SS, depending who you ask.

I agree. They won't pick both of them. I could see them picking Rodgers and Bregman due to the age difference but not Swanson and Bregman. I also think that Swanson has more pop than he's given credit for. I think he can be a 15 to 18 homer guys with a lot of doubles. And Bregman is just a damn good hitter with great instincts who wouldn't whiff every other ab. The more of those guys......the better.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on May 13, 2015, 07:57:22 am
I agree. They won't pick both of them. I could see them picking Rodgers and Bregman due to the age difference but not Swanson and Bregman. I also think that Swanson has more pop than he's given credit for. I think he can be a 15 to 18 homer guys with a lot of doubles. And Bregman is just a damn good hitter with great instincts who wouldn't whiff every other ab. The more of those guys......the better.

Welcome to the board by the way.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on May 13, 2015, 07:58:28 am
Welcome to the board by the way.

+1
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 13, 2015, 08:28:13 am
Heck was just a  figurehead by that point. They only kept that group in place because they had already been scouting the 2012 class for several months. There is no doubt in my mind that Heck with final say would have gone with Buxton looking at his past picks for the team (raw, toolsy guys with upside and speed to burn like Springer and DDJ). Heck always said he liked to pick "best athlete available". Luhnow brought Elias in prior to that draft and Elias was one of the guys blown away by Correa's workout in Kissimmee. Correa was Luhnow/Elias all the way.

No doubt Elias had input on the choices made for the 2012 draft,  But I disagree with the figurehead comment.  Heck and the people he put in place did all leg work for that draft.  And Heck was heavily involved in it right to the end.  Heck was very big on up the middle defensive positions early in the draft.  Certainly both Correa and Buxton fit that bill.   Neither of which would have been a bad choice.  And from everything I've read that choice was made the day of the draft.  And the financial flexibility that Correa provided was likely the final factor. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 13, 2015, 08:54:00 am
Your initial point, though, was that Luhnow had a pattern of taking the consensus BPA. And I don't think that's true, regardless of the extent to which Correa was a Heck-driven choice. In 2013 consensus was about 50/50 Gray-Appel, with Bryant close behind. Even in 2014 when Aiken became the consensus #1 by Draft day, in some ways the Astros bucked expectations by not taking Rodon. I don't think we can assume they'll take Rodgers even if the Dbacks don't.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 13, 2015, 08:59:33 am
I'm getting the sense that there really isn't a consensus #1 BPA.  I know all the early talk was Rodgers, but there hasn't been the kind of discussion about him now that you'd expect to hear if everyone who works in the field thought he was THE guy, even if Arizona didn't take him.

I am certain that the Astros will get their guy at #2 and likely their guy at #5, whoever those guys are.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 13, 2015, 11:12:29 am
I agree. They won't pick both of them. I could see them picking Rodgers and Bregman due to the age difference but not Swanson and Bregman. I also think that Swanson has more pop than he's given credit for. I think he can be a 15 to 18 homer guys with a lot of doubles. And Bregman is just a damn good hitter with great instincts who wouldn't whiff every other ab. The more of those guys......the better.

I'm going to preface this by admitting that I'm not the biggest Swanson fan (not at #2, at least), but what exactly makes you think that his HR power is underrated? 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 13, 2015, 12:51:40 pm
Your initial point, though, was that Luhnow had a pattern of taking the consensus BPA. And I don't think that's true, regardless of the extent to which Correa was a Heck-driven choice. In 2013 consensus was about 50/50 Gray-Appel, with Bryant close behind. Even in 2014 when Aiken became the consensus #1 by Draft day, in some ways the Astros bucked expectations by not taking Rodon. I don't think we can assume they'll take Rodgers even if the Dbacks don't.

The Appel/Gray tie was broken by the positive drug testing from what I remember.  I think everyone had Aiken at the top by draft day last year.  In 2012, Appel was considered the consensus #1.   Given Luhnow said that Appel was their guy from start to finish in 2013, tends to make me think Heck had a lot to do with Correa being the choice in 2012.  But my opinion is definitely all inference.  I can find no definitive quote anywhere that gives the level of influence Elias had.  The scouts given the credit for Correa were Larry Pardo (Heck's guy) and Joey Sola (not sure if he was hired pre-Heck or not).




Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on May 13, 2015, 01:31:54 pm
I really dislike the term "consensus #1."  It's a terribly flawed concept for multiple reasons, especially in the slot system where teams picking at the top are not so much determining who they rate the highest and instead are determining who provides the greatest value.  It's more like buying a stock in that you aren't determining which company will generate  the most cash in an absolute sense, but which company generates the most relative to their price. 

It's obvious Luhnow understands this, and other GMs as well.  Surprisingly, some agents still don't understand the new system, as evidenced by the hard signing numbers they throw out.  That is no longer the game.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: AllHailCaptainCorrea on May 13, 2015, 02:36:33 pm
Welcome to the board by the way.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: AllHailCaptainCorrea on May 13, 2015, 02:39:41 pm
I'm going to preface this by admitting that I'm not the biggest Swanson fan (not at #2, at least), but what exactly makes you think that his HR power is underrated?

My uncle's a Vandy guy so I'm forced to watch them more than I'd like. He's not a punch-and-judy hitter. He hit a ton of doubles last year and some of them have started turning into homeruns this year. Will he ever hit 20? I doubt it. But 15 or a bit more isn't out of the question at all.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 13, 2015, 03:03:11 pm
But 15 or a bit more isn't out of the question at all.

At shortstop that's pretty good.  And welcome to the board
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on May 13, 2015, 03:08:13 pm
My uncle's a Vandy guy so I'm forced to watch them more than I'd like. He's not a punch-and-judy hitter. He hit a ton of doubles last year and some of them have started turning into homeruns this year. Will he ever hit 20? I doubt it. But 15 or a bit more isn't out of the question at all.

Luhnow has a history picking Vandy guys.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: hostros7 on May 13, 2015, 03:32:11 pm

It's more like buying a stock in that you aren't determining which company will generate  the most cash in an absolute sense, but which company generates the most relative to their price. 


This analogy is flawed and/or an oversimplification.  Drafting in the MLB is far more similar to buying far out of the money call options than buying stocks.  Therefore, it follows that the an analysis on the likelihood/ability to reach the strike price (i.e. make the show) is more influential in the decision making process than the price of the option.  Obviously, price of the underlying asset comes into play more when conviction regarding ability to make it to the bigs is lower (i.e. Payout higher on the cheaper option when two seemingly equal options have same probability of reaching the strike price or appreciating in value where they can be "sold" (traded) at a gain).

There is more to say on that topic and my analogy is, too, an oversimplification, but I find it a more useful framework for discussion.


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Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 13, 2015, 03:39:36 pm
Luhnow has a history picking Vandy guys.

That led to a trivia question.  Which college has Luhnow drafted from the most over the last 3 years combined?

Answer:
Northeastern Oklahoma A&M College
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: AllHailCaptainCorrea on May 13, 2015, 03:44:27 pm
The Appel/Gray tie was broken by the positive drug testing from what I remember.  I think everyone had Aiken at the top by draft day last year.  In 2012, Appel was considered the consensus #1.   Given Luhnow said that Appel was their guy from start to finish in 2013, tends to make me think Heck had a lot to do with Correa being the choice in 2012.  But my opinion is definitely all inference.  I can find no definitive quote anywhere that gives the level of influence Elias had.  The scouts given the credit for Correa were Larry Pardo (Heck's guy) and Joey Sola (not sure if he was hired pre-Heck or not).

Elias was hired in January of 2012 and was considered Luhnow's "right-hand man" in St. Louis. There is no question that Heck had input but I think Elias had a bunch of pull as well.

The Houston Astros amateur scouting director helped select Carlos Correa in 2012 then made the call to draft Mark Appel first overall in 2013.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/astros-elias-details-search-for-elite-draft-talent/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/astros-elias-details-search-for-elite-draft-talent/)

Luhnow on Elias:

"I knew that I wanted him over here," Luhnow said. "He could help in a variety of ways. At the time, I didn't know if he would end up being a scouting director or farm director or assistant general manager. I knew there would be some role for him. He did such a nice job helping [former scouting director] Bobby [Heck] out in that first Draft."

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/5/29/5761432/thursdays-three-astros-things (http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/5/29/5761432/thursdays-three-astros-things)

Elias was also based in Florida already due to his time with the Cards and was one of the guys at Correa's workout.

Astros staff was "blown away" by Carlos Correa's workout in Kissimee this weekend. One says he's the best Puerto Rican talent since Beltran

https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/206874435104419841 (https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/206874435104419841)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 13, 2015, 04:36:56 pm
Elias was hired in January of 2012 and was considered Luhnow's "right-hand man" in St. Louis. There is no question that Heck had input but I think Elias had a bunch of pull as well.

The Houston Astros amateur scouting director helped select Carlos Correa in 2012 then made the call to draft Mark Appel first overall in 2013.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/astros-elias-details-search-for-elite-draft-talent/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/astros-elias-details-search-for-elite-draft-talent/)

Luhnow on Elias:

"I knew that I wanted him over here," Luhnow said. "He could help in a variety of ways. At the time, I didn't know if he would end up being a scouting director or farm director or assistant general manager. I knew there would be some role for him. He did such a nice job helping [former scouting director] Bobby [Heck] out in that first Draft."

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/5/29/5761432/thursdays-three-astros-things (http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/5/29/5761432/thursdays-three-astros-things)

Elias was also based in Florida already due to his time with the Cards and was one of the guys at Correa's workout.

Astros staff was "blown away" by Carlos Correa's workout in Kissimee this weekend. One says he's the best Puerto Rican talent since Beltran

https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/206874435104419841 (https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/206874435104419841)

Yes he helped out, no doubt.    Joey Sola made the comment about Beltran
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 13, 2015, 05:03:20 pm
That led to a trivia question.  Which college has Luhnow drafted from the most over the last 3 years combined?

Answer:
Northeastern Oklahoma A&M College

Don't know whether you want to call it a trend or not, but Oklahoma jucos do seem to be on the radar for Luhnow & Co. They took a total of 6 guys from Oklahoma jucos last year: NEO A&M (3), Western Oklahoma State College (2) and Connors State (1). You could toss the kid from Neosho CC in there (Southeastern Kansas) to make it 7. And they drafted a player from Seminole State College in 2013.

The 3 players taken from NEO actually ties with Wake Forest (Brian Holmes, Michael Dimock and Pat Blair--all taken in 2012).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 14, 2015, 03:51:34 pm
Callis on what Arizona may be thinking (http://m.dbacks.mlb.com/news/article/124329918/pipeline-inbox-who-should-d-backs-select). Like Kiley McDaniel's recent comments, he thinks reports linking the D-Backs to folks like Whitley or Stephenson at 1/1 is a smoke screen. His "gut feel" is that Swanson is the frontrunner for Stewart & Co.

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The assigned bonus-pool value for the top choice is $8,616,900, and no one in this Draft is going to command close to that. Arizona can take whomever it believes is the best player and save at least $2 million that can be allocated to other selections. There's no need to do a discount of $4 million or more, and it's unlikely there will be enough quality players to spend that much extra money on in later rounds.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 15, 2015, 08:37:49 am
Callis on what Arizona may be thinking (http://m.dbacks.mlb.com/news/article/124329918/pipeline-inbox-who-should-d-backs-select). Like Kiley McDaniel's recent comments, he thinks reports linking the D-Backs to folks like Whitley or Stephenson at 1/1 is a smoke screen. His "gut feel" is that Swanson is the frontrunner for Stewart & Co.

He goes on in the mailbag to show just how weak this draft is in high-end talent by saying that Swanson/Tate would have gone 8th (or at least been the 8th-best talent) in '13 (behind Moran) and 7th in '14.  For reference, Rodgers would have been 4th/3rd in those respective drafts.   
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 15, 2015, 08:49:43 am
My uncle's a Vandy guy so I'm forced to watch them more than I'd like. He's not a punch-and-judy hitter. He hit a ton of doubles last year and some of them have started turning into homeruns this year. Will he ever hit 20? I doubt it. But 15 or a bit more isn't out of the question at all.

Fair enough.  I don't think he'll hit 15 on an annual basis, though he may hit it on occasion.  From '12-14, hitting 15 HR would put him in the top 5 or 6 of shortstops each season.  Over that time, there's only been one shortstop who has hit 15 HR in each of those seasons:  Ian Desmond.  There have been guys who have in two of three seasons, there have been guys who have hit in the mid-twenties, but doing it year-in and year-out is a rarity at that position (at least until Correa comes up...). 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 15, 2015, 02:14:36 pm
BA's 2.0 Mock came out today and has the Dbacks taking Carson Fulmer #1. They say Tate's stock seems to be sliding a bit due to a perception that he might be tiring out, and is relying more and more on his slider rather than the FB.

They have the Astros taking Swanson and Tucker, saying rumor is Luhnow loves all 3 Vandy guys including Buehler.

Rodgers and Tate they have going 3 and 4, Funkhouser 15th, Aiken 24th to the Dodgers, Matuella 34th to Detroit, Kirby 36th to AO's.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 15, 2015, 06:43:41 pm
From this week's Inside Baseball column (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25186170/inside-baseball-tulo-needs-to-go-and-here-are-the-options-plus-mlb-news):

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[Daz] Cameron has drawn more interest from others in the top 10 and is being advised by Scott Boras, so a cut-rate deal may be less likely for him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on May 15, 2015, 10:23:47 pm

They have the Astros taking Swanson and Tucker, saying rumor is Luhnow loves all 3 Vandy guys including Buehler.


Kyle is suppose to be better than his brother....sold!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 16, 2015, 06:12:55 pm
Yavapai defeated Southern Nevada today to advance to the JUCO World Series, thus ending Phil Bickford's season. The former 10th overall pick (2013) had 166 whiffs vs 21 walks in 86.2 IP this year.

Current mocks have him going mid to late 1st round.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: austro on May 16, 2015, 06:23:19 pm
Yavapai defeated Southern Nevada today to advance to the JUCO World Series, thus ending Phil Bickford's season. The former 10th overall pick (2013) had 166 whiffs vs 21 walks in 86.2 IP this year.

Current mocks have him going mid to late 1st round.

I'm headed to Grand Junction next week to watch the first four or five days of the JUCO World Series. Anybody from Yavapai (or any of the other qualifiers) that I should keep an eye out for?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 16, 2015, 07:00:45 pm
I'm headed to Grand Junction next week to watch the first four or five days of the JUCO World Series. Anybody from Yavapai (or any of the other qualifiers) that I should keep an eye out for?

Yavapai's Chandler Eden, the former Oregon State pitcher, going into the season was one of the top-ranked JUCO draft prospects. He's had something of a rough season with 36 walks in 38.1 IP and I haven't read much recently on him. Another guy to look for from Yavapai is Willie Calhoun, who was a 17th-rounder out of HS before playing one season at the U of Arizona. Has put up tremendous offensive numbers but isn't a very big kid and may be defensively-challenged. INF Luke Doyle might also be a guy for the Roughriders to check out.

Chipola was loaded with draft prospects (including Mac Marshall) but unfortunately got eliminated last weekend as well.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 16, 2015, 11:32:01 pm
Weekend performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 16, 2015, 11:39:21 pm
Fulmer is the anti-Appel.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 17, 2015, 12:56:02 am
The eternal pissing contest between scouts and college coaches got a tad nastier recently (or at least more public) (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/georgia-asst--coach-apologizes-for-criticizing-former-recruits-after-mlb-backlash-040804519-mlb.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on May 17, 2015, 07:27:27 am
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A vast majority of players who turn down contracts out of high school do not get an equal or higher contract offer out of college

It would be interesting to see more detail on this.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 17, 2015, 08:23:07 am
Fulmer is the anti-Appel.
What do you mean exactly? That's he's super-intense and competitive on the mound?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 17, 2015, 01:38:23 pm
It would be interesting to see more detail on this.

There's also a level of context in that kind of statement. Before the slot/harder cap system went into effect, it was easier for a team to throw extra money at a HS kid, because no one really cares what Bud says about spending limits, right, Drayton? Anyway, teams have to think harder about those kinds of deals now because they have to balance things out with other picks. For a team that doesn't pick at the top/have extra picks, losing that cap space hurts even more. It doesn't mean the new system if flawless, or that no one is offering these types of deals any more, but the sample size is small. So, to say that players should sign out of HS or else waste three years is an incomplete picture, at this point.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 18, 2015, 06:29:52 pm
Latest mock from BA (no change for Astros picks):

BA 5/17 Mock Draft (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-2-0/)
1. Fulmer (previous: Tate)
2. Swanson
3. Rodgers
4. Tate (previous: Harris)
5. Tucker

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 18, 2015, 07:13:55 pm
Next week, I will get to see a kid that is getting a fair amount of buzz in this area.  Trey Cabbage is a 3rd baseman who is committed to Tennessee.  According to two different sources, two Red Sox scouts were at his games this week.  My son's team plays them Monday & Tuesday of next week.  Any draft geeks heard about him?

Ranked #111 on the BA Top 500 Draft Prospects list (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/) which came out today.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 19, 2015, 02:35:14 pm
From today's FG chat (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kiley-mcdaniel-prospects-chat-51915/#more-187312):

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Q: Could you see the Astros pulling a fast one and grabbing someone like [Arkansas OF Andrew] Benetindi or someone else at 5 and save $ to reallocate?
   
Kiley McDaniel: Can’t rule that out and Mike Elias was among the heavy hitters in Saturday to see Benintendi, but I think it’ll be Bregman, Cameron or Tucker at 5 and little to no haircut on the bonus. Benintendi likely goes top 10 like those others, so not sure how much of a discount that will be.

If you haven't seen Benintendi, he's in action tonight in an SEC tourney game vs Tennessee televised at 8:00 (CT) on the SEC Network. Intriguing but undersized player.

Also from the chat:

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Q: Anything new you’re hearing in regards to who the Astros would prefer between Rodgers and Swanson at #2?
   
Kiley McDaniel: Starting to think it’s Swanson, but he also might go 1st.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duman on May 20, 2015, 01:20:41 pm
Ranked #111 on the BA Top 500 Draft Prospects list (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/) which came out today.

Our team ended up seeing him 5 times between regular and post season play.  He played SS against us and also pitched some.  He made some nice plays at SS but would be a better fit at 3rd or corner OF.  Word at the district tourney was that U of TN was looking at moving him to the outfield.  He has a very good bat.  He hit one out of pioneer park (Gville Astros home field) in their first district tourney game.  He hit it out to RF (LH Hitter) and it was a no doubter.  Word at the tourney was that if he is drafted in the higher rounds and got a good offer, he would sign and play pro ball.  I translate that to round doesn't matter as much as money does.

He also ran very well and showed good base running instincts as well. 

PS Son's team came out of the losers bracket and beat Grainger Co (Cabbage's team) twice to win the district championship.  The final game went to extra innings.  Cabbage showed class by walking over to our pitcher who threw a complete game and shaking his hand.  This happened after the hoopla had died down and most of his teammates had already left the field. 

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 21, 2015, 11:24:59 am
Callis with another mock (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/125729150/pair-of-shortstops-headline-latest-mock-draft) with these comments:

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There's a growing sense that Swanson is the preferred choice of the D-backs, Astros and Rockies, who hold the first three picks.

The Astros are hot after Fulmer, so if Swanson goes No. 1 they could take the pitcher first and assume they'll get a shortstop -- Rodgers or Bregman -- three picks later.

Word was the Astros were going to take two position players with the highest pair of picks in Draft history, but Fulmer is changing that thinking. If they do opt for a second bat, Cameron, Tucker (whose brother Preston is an outfielder on Houston's big league club) and Bregman would be candidates.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 21, 2015, 11:31:49 am
Keith didn't get the memo about Fulmer (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/amateur-notes-draft-fulmer-kolek-martinez.html):

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ESPN.com’s Keith Law (Insider link) posts his first mock draft as June 8th draws near. While acknowledging that it is still early, Law predicts that the Diamondbacks will take Vanderbilt shortstop Dansby Swanson with the first overall pick while the Astros will add LSU shortstop Alex Bregman and high school outfielder Kyle Tucker with the second and fifth picks. Law adds that he does not expect Vandy righty Carson Fulmer to make it past the White Sox with the eighth pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 21, 2015, 06:58:39 pm
In tonight's SEC tourney game versus the Ags:

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Kendall Rogers ‏@KendallRogersD1  42 minutes ago
Carson Fulmer finished. 4 K's, 3 HR allowed, 6 ER, 6 H, 5 IP. Easily his worst start of the year.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 21, 2015, 07:14:27 pm
Dansby, Dansby, Dansby...

Homers again tonight, 3rd in 2 games in the tournament.

Just added a double.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 22, 2015, 07:32:33 am
I wonder if Rodgers' uncanny resemblance to Bronson Arroyo is what makes people so lukewarm on him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 22, 2015, 03:17:31 pm
Mock 3.0 from John Manuel/BA (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-3-0/) muddles the picture even more by elevating Illinois closer (but projected starter) Tyler Jay to the top spot as the Snakes pick:

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“If you’re going to take a short college pitcher,” one scouting director said, “and you compare Jay to Fulmer, Jay does it easier, does it cleaner. He throws as hard (92-96 mph), maybe not as firm as Tate but he’s no slouch. He has as good or better breaking ball (a devastating mid-80s slide piece). He’s shown a good changeup. He’s been extended. He’s as athletic. And he’s lefthanded.”
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on May 22, 2015, 03:46:57 pm
Mock 3.0 from John Manuel/BA (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-3-0/) muddles the picture even more by elevating Illinois closer (but projected starter) Tyler Jay to the top spot as the Snakes pick:

As has been written many times, Luhnow's draft board is as secret as any in baseball.  There is no telling where they stand right now.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 22, 2015, 05:16:27 pm
That sounds crazy, that a college closer could go #1 overall.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on May 22, 2015, 07:49:14 pm
I'm starting to buy into Dansby.  I assume he would be a quick riser, and I'm pretty sure this question has been asked - where would everyone play?  Does Dansby have the arm to play 3B?  I know every scout says Correa is moving to 3B but he had such raving reviews as a defender last year.  Now that I think about it I haven't heard anything about his defense this year.  I know he bulked up in the offseason but he seems to be stealing bases, so I wouldn't think mobility at SS is an issue.

#ramblingpost
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 23, 2015, 05:58:55 am
ICYMI, there was an article by Drellich the other day on Astros area scout John Martin (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/05/18/astros-scout-john-martin-proud-of-progression-by-lance-mccullers-preston-tucker/#31998101=0) who covers all of Florida excluding the panhandle. He was responsible for recommending/signing Preston Tucker and Lance McCullers. Other players of "his" include Brett Phillips, Nolan Fontana, James Ramsay, and Bryan Radziewski.

Not a long track record given he joined the Astros back in Oct. 2011 (Bobby Heck hire obviously). But the early returns are certainly promising. I'll be especially interested in any picks two weeks from now with his name attached.

ETA:
I chuckled at his comment from the article about scouting McCullers back then:

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“He’s about a six-footer, right in there. (As a scout, you would record his height as) 6-1 if you like him, and 5-11 if you don’t.”
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 23, 2015, 04:39:34 pm
Dansby, Dansby, Dansby...

Homers again tonight, 3rd in 2 games in the tournament.

Just added a double.

And he hit his 4th longball of the tourney in today's pounding of the Aggies.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 24, 2015, 05:29:45 pm
Conference tournament performances and news plus some draft & injury history:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on May 27, 2015, 07:05:35 pm
David Rawnsley (Houston's former Assistant Scouting Director) with his latest mock draft:

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/22/mlb-mock-draft-full-first-round-dansby-swanson-dillon-tate
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 27, 2015, 08:34:41 pm
BA profile of Daz Cameron (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/scrutiny-reveals-savvy-play-toolsy-cameron/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 28, 2015, 07:14:03 am
With the draft about 10 or so days away, first in a series of posts recapping the more interesting guys who’s names are likely to be called. Some you will know, others I’ve already covered a bit in some earlier posts, while the remainder are more obscure. First up--

Those Who Will Fall (or Might Fall) Due to Injuries, Etc


Others: Kolby Allard, San Clemente HS (CA) LHP (stress fracture--lower back); Kep Brown, Mt. Pleasant Wando HS (SC) OF (torn achilles); Brendon Davis, Lakewood HS (CA) 3B (fractured wrist)   
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 28, 2015, 04:11:04 pm
I'm sure this will change multiple times before the draft, based on the nature of the beast, but (from Callis):

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Following up on @rog61 ... My gut right now is @Dbacks take @LieutenantDans7 at No. 1 & @Astros take @ABREG_1 at No. 2. @MLBDraft

It could lead to a position change for Correa or Bregman down the road, with Bregman possibly going to the outfield.  But, I'd be okay with that pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on May 28, 2015, 06:47:40 pm
I'm sure this will change multiple times before the draft, based on the nature of the beast, but (from Callis):

It could lead to a position change for Correa or Bregman down the road, with Bregman possibly going to the outfield.  But, I'd be okay with that pick.
Kiley McDaniel had a new mock today (paste isn't working for some reason, or I'd paste the link). He has Swanson "80%" likely going #1 overall, with the Astros taking either Rodgers or possibly Bregman #2, and either Tucker or (if available) Bregman at #5.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 28, 2015, 07:05:23 pm
Kiley McDaniel had a new mock today (paste isn't working for some reason, or I'd paste the link). He has Swanson "80%" likely going #1 overall, with the Astros taking either Rodgers or possibly Bregman #2, and either Tucker or (if available) Bregman at #5.

Link (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-mock-draft-v2-0/#more-187924).

Some more of what McDaniel said:

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Benintendi is a late riser that looks to be the choice behind Tucker, or if they want to save a little more money at this pick. Texas prep LF Trenton Clark has also been tied here, but he fits a little lower and college arms Tate, Fulmer and Jay have all been seen by Houston’s heavy hitters recently, but those seems like backup plans to Tucker and Bregman here.

Not the first time in the past several days I've seen the Astros linked (if you can call it that) to Tyler Jay but given the amount of helium he's had of late hardly surprising.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: toddthebod on May 28, 2015, 08:16:56 pm
I want Swanson and Fulmer at 2 and 5.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 29, 2015, 06:40:38 am
The 2nd in a series:

If Bloodlines Are Your Thing...


Others: Kyle Tucker, Daz Cameron
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on May 29, 2015, 09:03:20 am
I can only assume that Hutton Moyer is already 30.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Lefty on May 29, 2015, 11:31:19 pm
I'm sure this will change multiple times before the draft, based on the nature of the beast, but (from Callis):

It could lead to a position change for Correa or Bregman down the road, with Bregman possibly going to the outfield.  But, I'd be okay with that pick.

Not bitching at you at all, but seriously what fucking language is this?

"Following up on @rog61 ... My gut right now is @Dbacks take @LieutenantDans7 at No. 1 & @Astros take @ABREG_1 at No. 2. @MLBDraft"
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 30, 2015, 08:24:46 am
The 3rd in a series:

Re-Draft Possibilities

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 30, 2015, 09:02:19 am
Not bitching at you at all, but seriously what fucking language is this?

"Following up on @rog61 ... My gut right now is @Dbacks take @LieutenantDans7 at No. 1 & @Astros take @ABREG_1 at No. 2. @MLBDraft"

His gut feeling is that those two go #1 and #2?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 31, 2015, 06:10:37 am
Fixed to show the correct round on Joseph Shaw:

Re-Draft Possibilities

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 31, 2015, 06:41:28 am
4th in a series:

Senior Slot Signs


Others: Jon Perrin, Oklahoma State RHP (33rd rounder, 2014); Ashton Perritt, Liberty (17th rounder, 2014); Parker French, Longhorns RHP (19th rounder, 2014); Michael Freeman, Oklahoma State LHP (never drafted); Sikes Orvis, Ole Miss 1B (19th rounder, 2011); James McMahon, Southern Miss RHP (never drafted); Mitchell Nau, Texas A&M C/DH (never drafted); Jackson Glines, Michigan OF (never drafted); Reid Roper, Illinois 2B (29th rounder, 2010); Luke Harrison, Indiana RHP (never drafted); Tyler Peitzmeier, CSF LHP (never drafted); Billy Strode, Florida State LHP (never drafted)

These senior slot signs will generally fall in rounds 6-10 although some will go earlier.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on May 31, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
So, I'm trying to see as many of the top guys as possible.  Saw some ABs from Bregman last night. The only thing I gathered from limited viewing is that he seems marginal as a runner. I didn't slow the recording to watch any plays as a fielder, but it got me wondering, can he really be a quality shortstop?  If he has to move to second, or third (I have no knowledge of his arm), does his bat really project that well? 

What's the opinion of those here who have seen him.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 01, 2015, 08:43:24 am
So, I'm trying to see as many of the top guys as possible.  Saw some ABs from Bregman last night. The only thing I gathered from limited viewing is that he seems marginal as a runner. I didn't slow the recording to watch any plays as a fielder, but it got me wondering, can he really be a quality shortstop?  If he has to move to second, or third (I have no knowledge of his arm), does his bat really project that well? 

What's the opinion of those here who have seen him.

I have seen Bregman play qute a bit. I think that he'll change positions in the pros to 2B, but he's got the arm to play SS. I guess that I'm having trouble seeing him as a top 5 pick. His freshman year was huge. He started very slowly last season.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 01, 2015, 11:40:38 am
It feels like the draft buzz is extremely fickle this year. Tate had 1/1 or 2 buzz for most of the spring, then had a few not-great outings and suddenly he's projected in the 6-10 range. Funkhouser has dropped like a stone. Swanson and Bregman have played well as their teams roll into the CWS, and they have both shot up boards. Fulmer was the hot name for a week, then had one bad game and he's back in the 7-10 range supposedly.

I just wonder if teams are really changing their feelings about top guys that quickly, or if it's a bi-product of all the draft writers needing to churn out new content every 5 minutes.

I guess what I'm getting at is, a few weeks ago many here would've been ecstatic if told that the Astros had a legit shot at drafting both Rodgers and Tate. Now it appears that they could, but may even pass on both.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 01, 2015, 11:53:20 am
Tate, by the way, had a pretty good outing Saturday. Gave up 4 runs in 8 IP but only 6 H, 1 BB, and 11 punchouts. Haven't seen any reports on his velo.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 01, 2015, 12:16:15 pm
It feels like the draft buzz is extremely fickle this year. Tate had 1/1 or 2 buzz for most of the spring, then had a few not-great outings and suddenly he's projected in the 6-10 range. Funkhouser has dropped like a stone. Swanson and Bregman have played well as their teams roll into the CWS, and they have both shot up boards. Fulmer was the hot name for a week, then had one bad game and he's back in the 7-10 range supposedly.

I just wonder if teams are really changing their feelings about top guys that quickly, or if it's a bi-product of all the draft writers needing to churn out new content every 5 minutes.

I guess what I'm getting at is, a few weeks ago many here would've been ecstatic if told that the Astros had a legit shot at drafting both Rodgers and Tate. Now it appears that they could, but may even pass on both.

Yes.  The guys that are dropping had question marks before, but were performing well despite them, or were performing like there wasn't an issue, at all.  For instance, Tate was holding his velocity and performing at a high level most of the season, then saw his velocity drop and favors his off-speed stuff.  So, now the lack-of-track-record questions (especially as a starter) begin to creep back in to play.  The fluctuation also speaks to the lack of separation between players, with plenty of debate even within scouting departments.  So, depending on who a writer talks to, they could come away with multiple opinions of who a club likes.  It doesn't hurt, from their standpoint, but I don't think it's entirely their creation.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 01, 2015, 02:08:09 pm
My money is still on Rodgers.  There is no way any real information has floated out of the Astros camp.  It's not like they are just in a situation where they take who Arizona doesn't, they have the 5th pick as well.  So they really can't even float a we are looking at these 6 players list. 

And for that matter, Colorado and the Rangers have to be super mum on who they like.  Because if the Astros have 2 guys they really want and 1 is likely to fall to 5 then they'd draft the other in hopes to get both.

Especially if Arizona is mudding the waters trying to draft cheap at 1-1 to land a great pick at 2-1.  Now you are in a situation where Rodgers may truly be the BPA, but neither the Astros, Rockies or Rangers are going to say a word about him hoping he comes to them.  And the Twins and on wouldn't even be talking about Rodgers since he's unlikely to be there at 6.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 02, 2015, 12:39:16 am
Recapping regionals performances plus the usual miscellaneous:

Potential Top 5 Picks

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 02, 2015, 10:23:12 am
5th in a series:

Some Interesting 3rd thru 5th Round Possibilities


Note: The 3rd through 5th round projection should be taken with a massive heaping of salt. Undoubtedly some of these guys will fall into later rounds.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 02, 2015, 12:49:54 pm
My money is still on Rodgers.  There is no way any real information has floated out of the Astros camp.  It's not like they are just in a situation where they take who Arizona doesn't, they have the 5th pick as well.  So they really can't even float a we are looking at these 6 players list. 

And for that matter, Colorado and the Rangers have to be super mum on who they like.  Because if the Astros have 2 guys they really want and 1 is likely to fall to 5 then they'd draft the other in hopes to get both.

Especially if Arizona is mudding the waters trying to draft cheap at 1-1 to land a great pick at 2-1.  Now you are in a situation where Rodgers may truly be the BPA, but neither the Astros, Rockies or Rangers are going to say a word about him hoping he comes to them.  And the Twins and on wouldn't even be talking about Rodgers since he's unlikely to be there at 6.

It doesn't have to be a press release saying who they are looking at, but writers do get a sense of who some teams are considering.  Two years ago, though they ultimately selected Appel, it came out before the draft that they were strongly considering Moran at 1/1  That was despite many pundits having him as the ~5th-7th best player in the draft; those rumblings have been reinforced since then.  So, the speculation could be from talking to scouts (that team's or another's), seeing the level of a team's presence at the player's games, etc.  Again, that doesn't mean that they get a definite "we're taking this guy" from a team's GM or Scouting Director, but they may get enough from various sources to make "educated" guesses.  Doesn't mean they're ultimately right, though.

As for this draft class, ultimately, I would still be surprised if Rodgers made it to the Astros second pick.  He doesn't have the ceiling of some recent prep shortstops and he has some holes in his game, but he's good enough in this class.  He didn't have a "great" spring, but didn't have a bad one, and he just seems like a guy who goes to a team's tryout and wows everyone.     
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: MusicMan on June 02, 2015, 12:57:17 pm

As for this draft class, ultimately, I would still be surprised if Rodgers made it to the Astros second pick. 
   

I'll quite happily take Swanson as the 2nd pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 02, 2015, 01:04:44 pm
I'll quite happily take Swanson as the 2nd pick.

Ditto.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 02, 2015, 01:14:15 pm
I'll quite happily take Swanson as the 2nd pick.

+1
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 02, 2015, 01:23:11 pm
+1

I saw a play he made in the hole in the CWS and the throw he made to get the hitter. Amazing.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 02, 2015, 02:25:43 pm
I'll quite happily take Swanson as the 2nd pick.
I think '76 meant Rodgers is unlikely to make it to the Astros' 2nd pick, ie. 5th overall. Based on all the draft gossip it sounds like the only way the Dbacks don't take Swanson is if they cut a deal with Jay or something weird like that.

It also sounds like the Rocks are a sure bet to take Rodgers 3rd overall if available.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 02, 2015, 02:32:49 pm
I think '76 meant Rodgers is unlikely to make it to the Astros' 2nd pick, ie. 5th overall. Based on all the draft gossip it sounds like the only way the Dbacks don't take Swanson is if they cut a deal with Jay or something weird like that.

It also sounds like the Rocks are a sure bet to take Rodgers 3rd overall if available.

Yep, our 2nd pick/#5. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 02, 2015, 03:38:11 pm
Man, this is weird. Law has his draft prospect rankings up at espn, with Rodgers #1 - and AZ SS Kevin Newman 2nd. Haven't seen him talked about as an elite talent, at all. Both BA and MLB.com have him at #29, citing lack of power, speed, and fringy SS defense.

On the other hand, if you believe he's going to hit like Jose Altuve in the majors, maybe he is the 2nd-best player.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 02, 2015, 03:44:23 pm
I'll quite happily take Swanson as the 2nd pick.

Certain Swanson has Beltran'd his way to the top.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 02, 2015, 03:55:21 pm
It doesn't have to be a press release saying who they are looking at, but writers do get a sense of who some teams are considering.

I'd bet money that at least the Rockies and Rangers have extra scouted folks that they are less interested this year.   The Astros having the 2nd and 5th pick really muddies the situation.  Let's say the DBacks take Swanson and the Astros are pretty much in a toss up between Rodgers, Tate and Fulmer.  Worse case scenario they draft one and the Rockies and Rangers take the other 2.  But let's say the Rangers are just plain stupid and make it obvious they want either Tate and if not then Jay.  Well then you take Tate knowing you will get one of Rodgers or Fulmer with the 5th pick.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on June 02, 2015, 05:25:42 pm
Man, this is weird. Law has his draft prospect rankings up at espn, with Rodgers #1 - and AZ SS Kevin Newman 2nd. Haven't seen him talked about as an elite talent, at all. Both BA and MLB.com have him at #29, citing lack of power, speed, and fringy SS defense.

On the other hand, if you believe he's going to hit like Jose Altuve in the majors, maybe he is the 2nd-best player.

He is the only player to ever win the Cape Cod League batting title twice and earlier this year when he was hitting well over .400, Newman was talked about as going in the first ten picks (apologies, can't remember who specifically off the top of my head).  Defensively, I agree that he's probably adequate at SS.  But, from what I've read he has great baseball IQ (for lack of a better phrase) and should be more than capable playing 2B as a professional.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 02, 2015, 06:53:51 pm
Man, this is weird. Law has his draft prospect rankings up at espn, with Rodgers #1 - and AZ SS Kevin Newman 2nd. Haven't seen him talked about as an elite talent...

This is not the first time Law has Newman ranked that high and we've talked about it before on this thread--see reply #316 above.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 02, 2015, 08:59:12 pm
This is not the first time Law has Newman ranked that high and we've talked about it before on this thread--see reply #316 above.
Oh yeah, thanks for the memory jog. I'd be curious to see him compare Newman to Swanson and Bregman. All he says in the ranking (the free content ends after the Newman/#2 entry) is:

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Newman is also a surefire shortstop with tremendous feel to hit; he's the second-toughest college hitter in the draft class to strike out, just a shade behind Donnie Dewees (No. 73), who did it against weaker competition. Newman is a plus runner with the hand strength to have power, but he'll need to narrow his stance to get to the 10-12 home run range in pro ball.

here's part of BA's scouting report:
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...combination of hitting ability and middle-of-the-diamond profile could put him in the first 10 selections. Newman is a pure hitter who controls the strike zone, walking more than he strikes out, but doesn't yet hit for a lot of power. Scouts are convinced the bat will play in the pro game, primarily because his quick hands work so well that he's able to start the hands so far forward. He may add more gap power as he matures but his college track record is that of a singles hitter, with two career homers (one Cape, one with Arizona). He struggled in Pacific-12 Conference play when he was pitched hard inside, batting just .279/.328/.378 heading into the final two weeks of conference play. Scouts are mixed on his shortstop defense and even arm strength, with some grading it average and others above-average. He's not flashy but has good instincts that maximize his arm, range and footwork. He also maximizes his average to above-average speed, and Newman consistently runs and plays hard. He's earned comparisons from players from Adam Kennedy for those who see him moving to second to Chris Gomez and, on the high end, Alan Trammell.

Geez, that's quite a range. I'm guessing Law is more in the Trammell camp.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on June 03, 2015, 05:05:44 pm
Hi-Corbett Field, the University of Arizona's home field, is where college home runs go to die.

(ETA: Hi-Corbett was also the home field of Houston's former AAA affiliate, the Tucson Toros, when I was growing up; still remember when the Toros won their first PCL championship in 1991)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 03, 2015, 05:08:18 pm
Hi-Corbett Field, the University of Arizona's home field, is where college home runs go to die.

(ETA: Hi-Corbett was also the home field of Houston's former AAA affiliate, the Tucson Toros, when I was growing up; still remember when the Toros won their first PCL championship in 1991)

do you remember the better players from that Toros club?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mike S. on June 03, 2015, 06:03:42 pm
Kenny Lofton is the name I most remember because he was a star basketball player at the UofA when I was in grade school.  I also remember Eric Anthony and Gerald Young pretty well, but thanks to a quick Baseball Reference search I had forgotten just how many other prominent names were a part of that team:

Curt Schilling
Calvin Schiraldi
Andujar Cedeno
Tony Eusebio
Scott Servais
Jeff Juden
Mark McLemore

Wow.  The '91 Toros were even better than I remember.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 03, 2015, 06:12:25 pm
One of the best hitters I remember from that era Tucson club was Jose Tolentino. Classic AAAA guy who got some brief time in the bigs and in the NPB as well.

And a former Longhorn too.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 03, 2015, 06:54:15 pm
Kenny Lofton is the name I most remember because he was a star basketball player at the UofA when I was in grade school.  I also remember Eric Anthony and Gerald Young pretty well, but thanks to a quick Baseball Reference search I had forgotten just how many other prominent names were a part of that team:

Curt Schilling
Calvin Schiraldi
Andujar Cedeno
Tony Eusebio
Scott Servais
Jeff Juden
Mark McLemore

Wow.  The '91 Toros were even better than I remember.

Are you sure about Schilling and Schiraldi? I thought Schilling went directly to the big club when acquired from Baltimore and I don't remember Schiraldi ever being in Astros organization.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 03, 2015, 06:56:45 pm
Are you sure about Schilling and Schiraldi? I thought Schilling went directly to the big club when acquired from Baltimore and I don't remember Schiraldi ever being in Astros organization.

The '91 Toros (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=b0788061).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 03, 2015, 10:36:41 pm
The '91 Toros (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=b0788061).

There were a lot of guys that played in the majors on that team. Several 1st round picks including pitchers Ryan Bowen, Jeff Juden, Brian Williams and Schiraldi.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 04, 2015, 01:00:25 am
6th in a series:

Some Interesting Names Possibly Available at #37 & #46


Other possibilities (covered in previous lists):

*Brusa and Traver might be more likely 3rd-5th round candidates
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on June 04, 2015, 06:37:00 am



DJ Stewart, FSU OF--aka “Squat God of Walks”. Not very original though it is accurate as to his batting stance and ability to get on base. As the Noles face off against in-state rival Gators this weekend, currently hitting .322/.509/.580 with 69 walks and 45 whiffs. Those BBs lead the nation by a considerable margin. The lefty hitter also had no problems against ACC foes as he swatted .324/.493/.529 in 30 conference games. Looks like a fullback and was in his prep days. Listed at 6’0” 230 lbs. 28th rounder of the Yankees in 2012 out of HS.


Sounds good to me. Take him!
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on June 04, 2015, 09:15:35 am
Will there be a 2016 draft thread?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 04, 2015, 09:22:51 am
You anticipating the apocalypse now that the good guys are in first?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: NeilT on June 04, 2015, 09:31:03 am
Hadn't thought of it quite that way, I was just thinking that a 29th draft pick would be less interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 04, 2015, 09:36:42 am
29th?  Pessimist. 

To your original point though, you are most likely correct: not many people will care about the draft when the club is picking late. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 04, 2015, 10:32:16 am
See this post (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=117818.msg521072#msg521072) in the Road to Omaha thread for super regionals matchups beginning tomorrow and draft prospects to watch for on each team.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 04, 2015, 10:36:06 am
Dude, you freakin awesome!  That's exactly what I need.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 04, 2015, 10:43:20 am
Dude, you freakin awesome!  That's exactly what I need.

I saw your earlier comment. I thought you'd like that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 04, 2015, 11:29:14 am
I'm stating the blatantly obvious when I say that you've repeatedly and consistently posted high-quality, in-depth stuff on this draft. I wish it could all be incorporated into the front-page content, because it's a huge credit to what this site has to offer. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 04, 2015, 01:16:57 pm
I'm stating the blatantly obvious when I say that you've repeatedly and consistently posted high-quality, in-depth stuff on this draft. I wish it could all be incorporated into the front-page content, because it's a huge credit to what this site has to offer. Thanks again.

Thanks, Reuben.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 04, 2015, 02:59:32 pm
29th?  Pessimist. 

To your original point though, you are most likely correct: not many people will care about the draft when the club is picking late.
Oh, we'll care, we just won't be quite so obsessed.

Plenty of talent still to be found in the bottom half of the first round and beyond.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: MusicMan on June 04, 2015, 05:19:41 pm

Oh, we'll care, we just won't be quite so obsessed.

Plenty of talent still to be found in the bottom half of the first round and beyond.

Mike Trout agrees


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Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 04, 2015, 07:24:35 pm
Re-Draft Possibilities

  • Mac Marshall, Chipola LHP--missed 6 weeks with a broken thumb and then was removed from his last start due to a “minor nerve issue”. So he ended up throwing just 30 innings for the Indians this spring, whiffing 44 and walking 13. Like Jake Nix, reportedly changed advisors in the wake of last year’s debacle (going from Jet Sports to ACES). Like the rest of the guys on this re-draft list, must provide written consent in advance of the draft to allow the Astros to take him again. Unlike Nix, no one has yet to report whether he intends to do so or not. 21st round selection of Astros in 2014.

Marshall responded via twitter today that he did sign the consent so that he can in fact be re-drafted by the Astros.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 05, 2015, 09:34:57 am
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Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 29m29 minutes ago

I'll have a mock @MLBDraft up at @MLBPipeline today. I present an interesting @Astros scenario where they could get Bregman, Fulmer, Cameron

I could live with that.  I'm guessing the thought process with Cameron is that his price tag may be scaring some teams and the Astros, obviously, have the most money.  Law's most recent draft had him slipping out of the first round for that reason (price tag):

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One player I don't currently have going in the first round is Daz Cameron, which is not in any way a statement on his ability or the interest level in him. I believe there's concern about what it would cost to sign him, and that some teams that would otherwise love to take him -- I doubt he'd get out of the top 10 -- are vacillating. That probably won't be the case by Monday morning, but I'm not going to just stick him with a team for the sake of putting him somewhere on the mock. Stay tuned for Monday's update.

That would be a tremendous start to the draft, if it were to happen.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=3&source=Keith-Law-Mock-Draft (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=3&source=Keith-Law-Mock-Draft)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 05, 2015, 11:44:47 am
That would be pretty nice, and it's the logical goal in a "muddled-top" class like this, you'd think. Shoot, I bet they could still afford Cameron even with Rodgers taking only a slight discount at 1-2; add Fulmer or Bregman at a discount at 1-5 plus a couple cheapo Senior signs in the Top 10 rounds and you've probably got an extra $3-4 mil to add on to the 1-37 slot for Cameron.

But who knows, maybe they like Bregman better than Rodgers anyway. If he's really a SS-playing 2nd coming of Pedroia, I'd take that as the 2nd overall pick.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 05, 2015, 12:53:05 pm
Here's Callis' explanation:

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Heading into the final weekend before the Draft starts, the biggest wild card -- at least among fully healthy players -- is Daz Cameron. Several teams have been told that the Eagle's Landing Christian Academy (McDonough, Ga.) outfielder has a price tag of $5 million, and it's unclear whether that's a firm number or who might pay it...

If the Astros believe Cameron might fall dramatically, they could gamble and potentially wind up with three of the first six players on MLBPipeline.com's Draft Top 200. They could take Louisiana State shortstop Alex Bregman at No. 2, grab a college pitcher such as Vanderbilt right-hander Carson Fulmer at No. 5 and land Cameron at No. 37. Houston could spend $15 million on those three players and more than $3 million in the second through 10th rounds without exceeding its pool by more than 5 percent and triggering the loss of a future first-round choice.

For the record, Rounds 2-10 carry a slot value of $4,011,800 and the team's total pool is $17,289,200.  5% of the pool comes out to $864,460, giving them $18,153,660 before they run over.  Giving $15M to the first three picks and going slot the rest of the way would put them at $19,011,800, $858,140 over their maximum.  That is a lot to trim, but not impossible.

For the record, he has the club taking Bregman at #2 and Tucker at #5 (Cameron goes #4 to the Rangers).

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/128740596/three-shortstops-land-atop-latest-mock-draft (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/128740596/three-shortstops-land-atop-latest-mock-draft)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 05, 2015, 02:43:54 pm
John Manuel at BA has his new mock up, with the following 1-5:

Stephenson (Fulmer, Swanson others in mix)
Swanson (Tate)
Jay (Rodgers)
Rodgers (Bregman, if Rodgers is gone)
Cameron (Bregman)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 05, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
John Manuel at BA has his new mock up, with the following 1-5:

Stephenson (Fulmer, Swanson others in mix)
Swanson (Tate)
Jay (Rodgers)
Rodgers (Bregman, if Rodgers is gone)
Cameron (Bregman)

Link (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-5-0/)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 05, 2015, 04:13:38 pm
Kiley McDaniel/FG has Bregman at #2 and Tucker at #5 for the Astros in his latest mock (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-mock-draft-replacement-post/) with these comments:

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I’m still 50/50 split on this one. The buzz is that the Astros want two bats, one prep and one college, so this pick is seen as Rodgers and then Benintendi or Bregman and then Tucker. I don’t think they’ve decided yet, but if I had to pick which pair is most likely, I’d go Bregman/Tucker, but I still think Rodgers has a better chance of going here than people are giving him credit for.

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I think Tucker will be the pick here, but Benintendi is still possible, especially to save a few dollars for a later pick and especially if they take Rodgers at #2.

So piggybacking what McDaniel has to say here with the Callis comments above quoted by '76, I think a Rodgers/Benintendi/Cameron at 2/5/37 would be very appealing. Of course I would find a Swanson/Benintendi/Cameron even more appealing but I still think it hard to believe that Arizona will pass on Swanson at #1.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 06, 2015, 07:07:30 pm
Now that I am focusing on who I can see this late in the game, the Arky outfielder seems more intriguing than what I have seen or read on others in the mix.

I've only seen his home run yesterday, and is was certainly impressive, but in a class purported to be weak, it's hard for me to imagine that with two picks, the Astros wouldn't take a shot on him, unless he is gone of course.  I mean, he seems to offer what you want with a high pick, which is something that seems is lacking with many names mentioned: a package of athleticism, speed, power, contact ability and most importantly, the impression that he is still blossoming. 

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Fynn on June 06, 2015, 08:27:40 pm
Watching the Illinois/Vanderbilt super regional game tonight-hoping to see Tyler Jay face Swanson.  Several people are calling  Jay a left handed version of Billy Wagner. 

Personally I would be happy if we picked Jay for the second pick.  Maybe he could be an elite closer, or could be turned into a starter.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 12:06:47 am
Watching the Illinois/Vanderbilt super regional game tonight-hoping to see Tyler Jay face Swanson.  Several people are calling  Jay a left handed version of Billy Wagner. 

Personally I would be happy if we picked Jay for the second pick.  Maybe he could be an elite closer, or could be turned into a starter.
I think a team would be happy to "maybe" get an elite closer towards the end of the first round. To me, you want to aim higher with the 2nd or 5th overall pick - either an All-Star everyday player, or a #1/2 starter.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Fynn on June 07, 2015, 01:38:46 am
I think a team would be happy to "maybe" get an elite closer towards the end of the first round. To me, you want to aim higher with the 2nd or 5th overall pick - either an All-Star everyday player, or a #1/2 starter.

FWIW, John Manuel at BA thinks the Rockies will take Jay as the third pick...maybe they hope to convert him to a starter.  KLaw said that keeping Jay in the bullpen was the single stupidest managerial move he had ever seen. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 02:07:28 am
Several people are calling  Jay a left handed version of Billy Wagner. 

A lefty version of Wags??? Do the same folks talk in the same breath about southpaw versions of Koufax?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Fynn on June 07, 2015, 03:31:01 am
A lefty version of Wags??? Do the same folks talk in the same breath about southpaw versions of Koufax?

Good catch...I read this from a cubs  article about Jay.  I seriously doubt they knew about Wagner being a natural right hander.  An incredible feat to change to southpaw with such dominance.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 08:04:03 am
FWIW, John Manuel at BA thinks the Rockies will take Jay as the third pick...maybe they hope to convert him to a starter.  KLaw said that keeping Jay in the bullpen was the single stupidest managerial move he had ever seen.
Yes, the "buzz" on Jay is that teams think he can start. I know the Rockies love him, but I still don't see how you take him that high unless your scouts are convinced that not only can he start, but he'll probably still dominate as a starter. Even then, it just seems too risky that high up, when you've got plenty of talented hitters to choose from, as well as Tate and Fulmer, the guys who actually did successfully convert from closer to dominant starter.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 09:05:03 am
I haven't seen this noted elsewhere: Heyman has a Draft column (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25205995/2015-mlb-draft-strong-shortstop-crop-solid-baseball-bloodlines) where he notes that Casey Close is the advisor for Swanson, Rodgers, and Tucker, among others. Hmmm...
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 09:59:10 am
Yes, the "buzz" on Jay is that teams think he can start. I know the Rockies love him, but I still don't see how you take him that high unless your scouts are convinced that not only can he start, but he'll probably still dominate as a starter.

Jay has not been used as your typical "one inning and out" closer this year. On 8 different occasions, he's gone 3 innings or more including outings of 4 innings (3 times), 5 innings and 6 innings. And he dominated in 7 out of 8 of those appearances. So there is some history there to believe he may successfully transition in the pros.

BTW, given that he wasn't used in yesterday's game (and hasn't been used since Monday) there is the possibility that he'll be used tonight for multiple innings in the win or go home game vs the Dores.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 10:47:04 am
7th and final in a series:

Signability Issues, Late Movers, Late Rounders and Others

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 07, 2015, 12:23:20 pm
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@mlananna: Tyler Jay makes his second collegiate start and second this year. You have to go with your best arm. #MLBDraft  https://t.co/K7xFefQKed

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 12:50:36 pm
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Justin Hooper ‏@hooperbeballin  15 hours ago
Starting a new chapter in my life as I will be 100% honoring my commitment to Ucla. Can't wait to get down to Los Angeles in the fall.

Seen as a slam dunk 1st-rounder earlier (and possibly in the 1st 10 picks), a poor spring has seen him falling into 2nd round territory on draft boards. But his asking price supposedly remained extremely high. So perhaps he's now realized he's not gonna get what he's asking for and has resigned himself to being a Bruin. Perhaps.

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 01:12:13 pm
That Illini/Dores game with Jay on the mound has been moved up to 5:00 from 8:00 on ESPNU.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 03:01:04 pm
Callis/Mayo have an ongoing "draft buzz" column (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129115392/jim-callis-jonathan-mayo-provide-latest-draft-buzz) up now, wherein Mayo says the Astros could take Benintendi with a discount at #2 overall, in order to get Cameron at #37. Then again, he wrongly states that their 1/2 pick is "unprotected", so take it with a grain of salt. Might just be his speculation anyway.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on June 07, 2015, 03:07:16 pm


Then again, he wrongly states that their 1/2 pick is "unprotected", so take it with a grain of salt.

How do these guys keep getting this wrong? I think I saw Manuel say the same thing last week.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2015, 03:45:33 pm
Phil Bickford caught tokin' (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/bickford-tests-positive-marijuana/).
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 07, 2015, 03:49:00 pm
Damn, that's a lot of strikeouts, even for Juco. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 07, 2015, 08:11:52 pm
Bregman must have done all his impressing earlier in the year, cause he doesn't look at all that good in the postseason.

Another great game going on in Baton Rouge.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 07, 2015, 08:31:35 pm
Callis/Mayo have an ongoing "draft buzz" column (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129115392/jim-callis-jonathan-mayo-provide-latest-draft-buzz) up now, wherein Mayo says the Astros could take Benintendi with a discount at #2 overall, in order to get Cameron at #37. Then again, he wrongly states that their 1/2 pick is "unprotected", so take it with a grain of salt. Might just be his speculation anyway.

It must have been Mayo, Callis noted on Twitter today that the pick is protected. Either way, I see nothing in the article now about the pick being protected or unprotected, so it must have been corrected.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 07, 2015, 08:34:22 pm
Bregman must have done all his impressing earlier in the year, cause he doesn't look at all that good in the postseason.

Another great game going on in Baton Rouge.

Came up with a big hit to break his 0-for post-season, hitting a 2 RBI single to put LSU up 3-0, then steals his 37th base of the season.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 07, 2015, 08:43:54 pm
Well, it wasn't much of a hit, bouncing twice before it got out of the infield, but his ability to steal bases is impressive for a runner who doesn't look like he is base-stealing fast.  He probably does maximize his talents and that is impressive.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 07, 2015, 09:00:51 pm
I haven't seen this noted elsewhere: Heyman has a Draft column (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25205995/2015-mlb-draft-strong-shortstop-crop-solid-baseball-bloodlines) where he notes that Casey Close is the advisor for Swanson, Rodgers, and Tucker, among others. Hmmm...

If this made a damn bit of difference the players would have dropped him like a bad habit.  Who in their right mind wants an advisor who is at odds with the team picking second and fifth.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 07, 2015, 10:08:04 pm
If this made a damn bit of difference the players would have dropped him like a bad habit.  Who in their right mind wants an advisor who is at odds with the team picking second and fifth.
Well, there's been teams/GMs that were known to have less-than-smooth relationships with Bora$$, but he continues to represent scores of top amateur and pro players. I'm sure Close is good at convincing kids and their parents that they have nothing to worry about in this regard. But that doesn't mean it definitely won't make a damn but of difference.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the Astros would flat-out avoid a player because he's advised by Close. But if the bad blood and lack of trust between them prevents a pre-draft "agreement" from being nailed down, they might go with someone else.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on June 07, 2015, 11:01:10 pm
Well, there's been teams/GMs that were known to have less-than-smooth relationships with Bora$$, but he continues to represent scores of top amateur and pro players. I'm sure Close is good at convincing kids and their parents that they have nothing to worry about in this regard. But that doesn't mean it definitely won't make a damn but of difference.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the Astros would flat-out avoid a player because he's advised by Close. But if the bad blood and lack of trust between them prevents a pre-draft "agreement" from being nailed down, they might go with someone else.

I think this idea with Close is wildly overblown.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 08, 2015, 12:07:47 am
I think this idea with Close is wildly overblown.

+1 It's just business.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 08, 2015, 12:26:22 am
Our team ended up seeing him 5 times between regular and post season play.  He played SS against us and also pitched some.  He made some nice plays at SS but would be a better fit at 3rd or corner OF.  Word at the district tourney was that U of TN was looking at moving him to the outfield.  He has a very good bat.  He hit one out of pioneer park (Gville Astros home field) in their first district tourney game.  He hit it out to RF (LH Hitter) and it was a no doubter.  Word at the tourney was that if he is drafted in the higher rounds and got a good offer, he would sign and play pro ball.  I translate that to round doesn't matter as much as money does.

He also ran very well and showed good base running instincts as well. 

PS Son's team came out of the losers bracket and beat Grainger Co (Cabbage's team) twice to win the district championship.  The final game went to extra innings.  Cabbage showed class by walking over to our pitcher who threw a complete game and shaking his hand.  This happened after the hoopla had died down and most of his teammates had already left the field.

From the Knoxville newspaper (http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/prepextra/grainger-grad-ut-baseball-signee-trey-cabbage-confident-he-will-be-drafted-early_32961618):

"Cabbage should go round two or three and will most likely sign," a National League scout said on Sunday on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on prospects. "... There is zero chance, in my opinion, he goes to UT ... Trey Cabbage is the most draft-ready hitter in Tennessee."

"We feel very confident I could go in the top five (rounds)," said Cabbage, who bats left and throws right. "I'd like to go in the top three. We set a money range and a goal for the draft, and if that goal's not met, I'll end up at Tennessee. ... But this dream will be hard to pass up."
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 08, 2015, 06:45:07 am
Well, it wasn't much of a hit, bouncing twice before it got out of the infield, but his ability to steal bases is impressive for a runner who doesn't look like he is base-stealing fast.  He probably does maximize his talents and that is impressive.

Make up for some of the harder-hit balls that have gone for outs?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 08, 2015, 06:53:11 am
MLB.com with another mock this morning. At #2, both Callis and Mayo have the club taking Bregman. They disagree on the pick at #5, with Callis going with Benintendi and Mayo going with Tate. Callis mentions the club wanting a HS bat, but if Cameron is still available, they could go with Benintendi here and wait for Cameron at #37. Mayo has the Rangers picking Cameron, so he concedes they could also pick Tucker with the #5 pick.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129269966/shortstops-remain-atop-latest-mock-draft (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129269966/shortstops-remain-atop-latest-mock-draft)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: ckutac on June 08, 2015, 07:24:50 am
Does Bergman have a strong enough arm to stay at SS?  I had not seem him before the Super Regional's.  And me and anouther guy both looked at each other right away wondering if he had a Pro arm to stick at SS long term after a few of his throws.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 08, 2015, 07:51:02 am
Does Bergman have a strong enough arm to stay at SS?  I had not seem him before the Super Regional's.  And me and anouther guy both looked at each other right away wondering if he had a Pro arm to stick at SS long term after a few of his throws.

I think that he does, but with that said, I see him shifting to either 3B or 2B.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 08, 2015, 07:59:23 am
Yeah, I've seen him enough to think he can stick at short.  I see Lowrie level: won't cover a lot of ground but will make the plays he gets to.  Other than that however, I'd be very disappointed if he is their pick at #2.  Sure, I've only seen about 10 ABs and that is certainly a short sample and I am no scout for sure, but in my experience, if you are going to be a first division regular, much less a potential all star, you will most likely look much better in those ABs against what is A ball arms.  If there is so much hype, I am undoubtedly missing something, but a top five pick??
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 08, 2015, 08:02:32 am
Yeah, I've seen him enough to think he can stick at short.  I see Lowrie level: won't cover a lot of ground but will make the plays he gets to.  Other than that however, I'd be very disappointed if he is their pick at #2.  Sure, I've only seen about 10 ABs and that is certainly a short sample and I am no scout for sure, but in my experience, if you are going to be a first division regular, much less a potential all star, you will most likely look much better in those ABs against what is A ball arms.  If there is so much hype, I am undoubtedly missing something, but a top five pick??

For the record, I agree with you if we're talking about current Bregman. He looked much better as a freshman.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: roadrunner on June 08, 2015, 08:35:56 am
I saw on Twitter that Callis is speculating the Astros are discussing a deal with Daz Cameron at #2.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 08:52:27 am
For the record, I agree with you if we're talking about current Bregman. He looked much better as a freshman.

Bah, I dislike it when folks peak early.  Like to go after guys like Bryant and Nola where they improve year over year and you don't know where their limits might be.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 08, 2015, 08:54:29 am
Happy, thanks for the feedback.  Looking back, I see he hit about 40 points better as a freshman.  Any thoughts on why he hasn't been able to repeat that for the last two years?  Injury?  The effects of what coaches are wanting from him?  Him trying to slug more, and the average suffering?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 08, 2015, 09:08:00 am
I saw on Twitter that Callis is speculating the Astros are discussing a deal with Daz Cameron at #2.

Do you have a link to that? A review of Callis' own tweets and posts don't seem to support that.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 08, 2015, 09:42:34 am
Happy, thanks for the feedback.  Looking back, I see he hit about 40 points better as a freshman.  Any thoughts on why he hasn't been able to repeat that for the last two years?  Injury?  The effects of what coaches are wanting from him?  Him trying to slug more, and the average suffering?

He got off to a very slow start last season. A fair amount of it was that teams were pitching around him, and he was hitting the ball hard, but right at people. He was pretty consistent this season. He's a fine player, and we're glad to have him and on our way to Omaha.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Duder on June 08, 2015, 10:37:05 am
ESPN article (http://espn.go.com/blog/onenacion/post/_/id/778/do-puerto-rican-ballplayers-belong-in-a-stateside-or-potential-international-mlb-draft) on whether Puerto Ricans belong in the stateside or potential international draft.

This article leads into a thought I had about undrafted free agents. It seems roughly ten players get drafted from Puerto Rico a year and not too many play at the collegiate level. I would contend there's a number of talented players who aren't getting opportunity to play pro or college ball. The Astros could sign some of these players as UDFAs (any bonus under 100k wouldn't count against the bonus pool.)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 08, 2015, 11:21:57 am
BA has an article (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/youngest-oldest-players-2015-draft/) out on the youngest players in the draft. A few of the more relevant or previously-mentioned guys:

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 11:27:05 am
Bah, I dislike it when folks peak early.  Like to go after guys like Bryant and Nola where they improve year over year and you don't know where their limits might be.

This being said, my wish list is Swanson and Fulmer.  Both have made big strides each year.  Benintendi would be a nice consolation prize.  Hopefully one of the big high school names falls to them at 37 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 08, 2015, 11:31:51 am
This being said, my wish list is Swanson and Fulmer.  Both have made big strides each year.

I would not be disappointed in Tucker just because I keep hearing he has a higher ceiling than Preston.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 11:45:17 am
I would not be disappointed in Tucker just because I keep hearing he has a higher ceiling than Preston.

Certainly wouldn't be a bad idea to gamble on a top high schooler.  Get one "safer" pick and one high risk/reward type.    Though they seemed poised to snag somebody good at 37.  Likely to be one high schooler that drops due to signability in a field that has a lot of mlb caliber players but no supersrtars (at least that is what I read)

Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 08, 2015, 11:55:15 am
Screw safe picks.  Those are guys you can eventually acquire in free agency. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: moriartp on June 08, 2015, 11:56:19 am
New mock from Law has Bregman at 2, Benintendi at 5. Cameron falls out of rd 1 and they presumably pop him at 37.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 08, 2015, 11:56:53 am
Now klaw seems to subscribe to the Callis theory...

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keithlaw ‏@keithlaw  8 minutes ago

Yes, that's a legitimate possibility.

             @keithlaw Are you guessing Astros get Cameron at #37?
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 12:08:19 pm
Screw safe picks.  Those are guys you can eventually acquire in free agency.

Just because one went to college and is more developed does not make them average players.  Some of these college guys could be allstars. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 08, 2015, 12:19:39 pm
I didn't say anything about college players, just safe picks.  I'm sure there are a lot of high upside, high risk picks in the college pool.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 01:16:05 pm
I didn't say anything about college players, just safe picks.  I'm sure there are a lot of high upside, high risk picks in the college pool.

Ah, well I was only referring to college players being safer picks than high school players.  Their floor is easier to determine. 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on June 08, 2015, 03:15:59 pm
This being said, my wish list is Swanson and Fulmer.  Both have made big strides each year.  Benintendi would be a nice consolation prize.  Hopefully one of the big high school names falls to them at 37

I am hoping for Swanson/Rogers and Benintendi. Cameron at 37 would be a coup.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: toddthebod on June 08, 2015, 03:39:33 pm
I'd love to see the Astros get Cameron at 37.  If he's really asking for $5 million, I don't think anyone else can afford to pay that amount.  But I keep hearing that he's not going to get past the Braves at 14.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Noe on June 08, 2015, 03:42:44 pm
I'd like the Astros to get Kyle Funkhouser at some point in the draft. Only because I think it would be cool to hear all the comments about "Funky's delivery". Okay, nevermind.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: juliogotay on June 08, 2015, 03:48:15 pm
I'd like the Astros to get Kyle Funkhouser at some point in the draft. Only because I think it would be cool to hear all the comments about "Funky's delivery". Okay, nevermind.

He needs to go to the Braves so they can have Folty and Funky.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Ebby Calvin on June 08, 2015, 04:25:15 pm
Alright Bus Drivers, call your shots.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: jbm on June 08, 2015, 04:41:56 pm
I'm calling Benintendi with the 2nd, some high schooler with the 5th, and at least 2 way over slot guys later.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Jacksonian on June 08, 2015, 04:43:11 pm
Alright Bus Drivers, call your shots.

This draft is wacko.  Everything depends on Arizona.  But my guess is, if he isn't taken at #1 then Rodgers is the guy at 2.  If Rodgers is gone at #1 then it's Swanson at 2.  At 5 I'm thinking either Tate or Benintendi or Fulmer.  37 will be a high ceiling high schooler.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on June 08, 2015, 04:45:44 pm
Rodgers/Tate/Cameron.  But I'm an optimist.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 04:51:22 pm
This draft is wacko.  Everything depends on Arizona.  But my guess is, if he isn't taken at #1 then Rodgers is the guy at 2.  If Rodgers is gone at #1 then it's Swanson at 2.  At 5 I'm thinking either Tate or Benintendi or Fulmer.  37 will be a high ceiling high schooler.

(Edit going bolder)
For a prediction, pretty much this ^^^
 - Rodgers at 2.
 - Tate at 5
 - Daz at #37

Want for me is #2 Swanson, #5 Fulmer, #37 Daz







Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 08, 2015, 05:16:04 pm
(Edit going bolder)
For a prediction, pretty much this ^^^
 - Rodgers at 2.
 - Tate at 5
 - Dez at #37

Want for me is #2 Swanson, #5 Fulmer, #37 Dez
It's Daz Cameron. You're thinking of the former Black Flag singer/guitarist, Dez Cadena.

I think for once the experts have the Astros pretty much nailed:
Bregman 2, Benintendi 5, Daz 37.

If the D'backs don't take Swanson, maybe the Astros take him and have to improvise a bit.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 05:21:29 pm
It's Daz Cameron. You're thinking of the former Black Flag singer/guitarist, Dez Cadena.

I think for once the experts have the Astros pretty much nailed:
Bregman 2, Benintendi 5, Daz 37.

If the D'backs don't take Swanson, maybe the Astros take him and have to improvise a bit.

Actually I was thinking Dez Bryant.  Never heard of a Daz (till now)
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 05:26:01 pm
It's Daz Cameron. You're thinking of the former Black Flag singer/guitarist, Dez Cadena.

I think for once the experts have the Astros pretty much nailed:
Bregman 2, Benintendi 5, Daz 37.

If the D'backs don't take Swanson, maybe the Astros take him and have to improvise a bit.

FYI, the experts admit they have no idea in each mock.  The DBacks are on 4 guys, Swanson, Stephenson,  Jay and Fulmer.  The DBacks have chosen but they have been mum
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 08, 2015, 05:44:37 pm
By the way, if Cameron could conceivably fall to #37, I wonder if Tucker could, if he was the Astros' preferred target? Granted, I've seen mocks where he went as low as #10 or 11, and there's been no "buzz" about him having a high price tag, like Cameron.

It's the Astros, so of course you have to wonder if some of this widely-reported stuff is a smokescreen.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: Reuben on June 08, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
I assume someone's going to lock this thread and start a new one? That's how it's usually done, right?

Or, in light of the circumstances, we could have a combined Game Zone/Bus Ride thread for the night.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: pots on June 08, 2015, 05:51:38 pm
(Edit going bolder)
For a prediction, pretty much this ^^^
 - Rodgers at 2.
 - Tate at 5
 - Daz at #37

Want for me is #2 Swanson, #5 Fulmer, #37 Daz

Oops not enough money for my picks.  Change #37 to Mateulla
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: astrosfan76 on June 08, 2015, 05:58:39 pm
Rodgers
Benintendi
High-upside HS player

I'd like for that pick at #37 to be Cameron, but we'll see.
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: OregonStrosFan on June 08, 2015, 05:59:38 pm
I assume someone's going to lock this thread and start a new one? That's how it's usually done, right?

Or, in light of the circumstances, we could have a combined Game Zone/Bus Ride thread for the night.

Sure, here goes... 
Title: Re: 2015 Draft Thread
Post by: OregonStrosFan on June 08, 2015, 05:59:56 pm
In order to keep separate pre- and draft/post-draft threads, this '2015 Draft thread' is now closed and the '2015 Draftees and Status (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=117842.new#new)' thread is now open.