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I just hope the Astros aren't trading a top pitching prospect. He is an inning eater, but his ERA always flirts with 5.
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Chron now says its Garland for Taveras and Buchholz.
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Chron now says its Garland for Taveras and Buchholz.
If true, let the "Who is going to play CF?" debate begin.
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There was a trial balloon, Lane is slimming down and could play CF, a couple weeks ago.
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If true, let the "Who is going to play CF?" debate begin.
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Chron now says its Garland for Taveras and Buchholz.
If true, let the "Who is going to play CF?" debate begin.
There was a trial balloon, Lane is slimming down and could play CF, a couple weeks ago.
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In light of the fact that Pettitte's family is here and that the Astros have been at least as competitive as the Yankees have been over the past few years, the only reason that I can see Pettitte going back to the Yankees is the additional money. Therefore, Fuck Pettitte.
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There was a trial balloon, Lane is slimming down and could play CF, a couple weeks ago.
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Jim. Unless I totally misjudge Drayton (which I have admittedly done before), I don't believe that the Astros would take on both Garland's and Pettitte's salaries.
If the Astros have made this trade, they must believe that Pettitte is going to take the Yankees' $15 million offer.
In light of the fact that Pettitte's family is here and that the Astros have been at least as competitive as the Yankees have been over the past few years, the only reason that I can see Pettitte going back to the Yankees is the additional money. Therefore, Fuck Pettitte.
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Has Cashman confirmed that the Yanks have offered Pettitte 15 mil?
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Has Cashman confirmed that the Yanks have offered Pettitte 15 mil?
Why, whatvah are you implying?! That Pettitte's agents might be snowing the general public!?
Well, I nevah!
>fans self<
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I just hope the Astros aren't trading a top pitching prospect. He is an inning eater, but his ERA always flirts with 5.
Year IP ERA
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2002 192.7 4.58
2003 191.7 4.51
2004 217.0 4.89
2005 221.0 3.50
2006 211.3 4.51
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But some of the newspaper reports
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Yeah but, it was nice of them to get us ready for it, dont you think?
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When it comes to the rumor mill especially at this time of the year my bullshit meter is set to level "Chron".
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Just curious--would you guys have rather had Jason Jennings over Garland or vice versa? Is Taveras and Buchholz a steep price for either of them?
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Anyone know Garland's salary situation for 2007?
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Anyone know Garland's salary situation for 2007?
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Anyone know Garland's salary situation for 2007?
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Jim. Unless I totally misjudge Drayton (which I have admittedly done before), I don't believe that the Astros would take on both Garland's and Pettitte's salaries.
If the Astros have made this trade, they must believe that Pettitte is going to take the Yankees' $15 million offer.
In light of the fact that Pettitte's family is here and that the Astros have been at least as competitive as the Yankees have been over the past few years, the only reason that I can see Pettitte going back to the Yankees is the additional money. Therefore, Fuck Pettitte.
Watch Drayton step up and pay Andy $14M to stay in Houston.
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One issue I think is getting Jennings for 1 year versus Garland for 2 years, barring extensions.
(Do I have that right?)
But my sense is that Garland has a better track record, and has been more consistent.
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Yeah but, it was nice of them to get us ready for it, dont you think?
You might think that you're ready for it. But when it actually happens...
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When it comes to the rumor mill especially at this time of the year my bullshit meter is set to level "Chron".
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One issue I think is getting Jennings for 1 year versus Garland for 2 years, barring extensions.
(Do I have that right?)
But my sense is that Garland has a better track record, and has been more consistent.
Garland's park-adjusted ERAs have been better than league-average four of the last five years, Jennings in just two of the last five years.
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Yeah but, it was nice of them to get us ready for it, dont you think?
You might think that you're ready for it. But when it actually happens...
Sorta like preparing your sphincter for dildo insertion. Um, not that I'd know or anything,... but, um, I can just imagine what it... um, NTTAWWT, but yeah, ya know, ok.
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One issue I think is getting Jennings for 1 year versus Garland for 2 years, barring extensions.
(Do I have that right?)
But my sense is that Garland has a better track record, and has been more consistent.
Garland's park-adjusted ERAs have been better than league-average four of the last five years, Jennings in just two of the last five years.
Do you like his stats?
Low strikeouts, moderate walks and homers given up. His one "good" season came when his hits allowed took a dip, but then went back up last season as did his ERA.
Of course, factor in the league and the park and he could pitch great for Houston.
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Jim. Unless I totally misjudge Drayton (which I have admittedly done before), I don't believe that the Astros would take on both Garland's and Pettitte's salaries.
If the Astros have made this trade, they must believe that Pettitte is going to take the Yankees' $15 million offer.
In light of the fact that Pettitte's family is here and that the Astros have been at least as competitive as the Yankees have been over the past few years, the only reason that I can see Pettitte going back to the Yankees is the additional money. Therefore, Fuck Pettitte.
Watch Drayton step up and pay Andy $14M to stay in Houston.
Now that would be a nice rotation:
Oswalt
Pettitte
Clemens
Garland
Williams
Fill the pen with young arms, keep Hirsh and Albers in AAA to fill in should any of the old guys break down. Definite possibilities there.
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One issue I think is getting Jennings for 1 year versus Garland for 2 years, barring extensions.
(Do I have that right?)
But my sense is that Garland has a better track record, and has been more consistent.
Garland's park-adjusted ERAs have been better than league-average four of the last five years, Jennings in just two of the last five years.
Do you like his stats?
Low strikeouts, moderate walks and homers given up. His one "good" season came when his hits allowed took a dip, but then went back up last season as did his ERA.
Of course, factor in the league and the park and he could pitch great for Houston.
Check out his BB/K ratio over the last couple years. Looks pretty solid to me.
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Rosenthal's article says Hirsh is rumored to be included in the deal as well. Link
Deal breaker?
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Rosenthal's article says Hirsh is rumored to be included in the deal as well. Link
Deal breaker?
Hirsh is a bit much to add, IMO.
I just heard that ESPN in Chicago is reporting that the deal is off.
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Rosenthal's article says Hirsh is rumored to be included in the deal as well. Link
Deal breaker?
Hirsh is a bit much to add, IMO.
I just heard that ESPN in Chicago is reporting that the deal is off.
Probabaly because they pulled an Orioles and tried to add in Hirsh after the deal was agreed on.
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Watch, now the Astros won't get either Garland or Pettitte.
This has the potential to work out very badly.
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Watch, now the Astros won't get either Garland or Pettitte.
This has the potential to work out very badly.
How do we know that the Yankees' offer wasn't leaked by the Hendricks brothers for the sole purpose of pushing the Astros to increase their offer?
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Let me get this right...trading Hirsh, Buchholz, and WillyT was TOO MUCH for even Dontrelle, but it's ok for JON GARLAND?? (I'm not aiming this at the posters here).
Jon GARLAND? Seriously? This sounds like a terrible trade, if for no other reason than you'd think we'd be better off hanging on to those guys to trade for someone else.
I don't like it. I don't HAVE to. But I don't like it.
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Obviously, it is too much. The deal is dying on the vine as we speak and the Chronicle pulls yet another wonderful announcement of an emminent deal right out of their arse yet again.
What? No build-a-bear with a ChiSox uni hanging around anywhere to make this happen?
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Alkie, the deal is off apparently. i'm sure we said no to Hirsch.
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I'm not sure what this front office is thinking. Maybe the White Sox did some dirty things, but if not, I'm very disappointed. You never, ever say a deal is close (a statement from the front office) unless it's agreed to by both parties. Now, if this doesn't work out, you potentially have angered Willy, Buchholz, Pettitte and Hirsh. Maybe the White Sox screwed us here, but if not, I'm disappointed in Smith's quote.
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I'm not sure what this front office is thinking. Maybe the White Sox did some dirty things, but if not, I'm very disappointed. You never, ever say a deal is close (a statement from the front office) unless it's agreed to by both parties. Now, if this doesn't work out, you potentially have angered Willy, Buchholz, Pettitte and Hirsh. Maybe the White Sox screwed us here, but if not, I'm disappointed in Smith's quote.
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I'm not sure what this front office is thinking. Maybe the White Sox did some dirty things, but if not, I'm very disappointed. You never, ever say a deal is close (a statement from the front office) unless it's agreed to by both parties. Now, if this doesn't work out, you potentially have angered Willy, Buchholz, Pettitte and Hirsh. Maybe the White Sox screwed us here, but if not, I'm disappointed in Smith's quote.
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Alkie, the deal is off apparently. i'm sure we said no to Hirsch.
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No, it's one thing when the Chronicle has sources that say it. Unless you're thinking this is fabricated.
The deal was close, according to Tal Smith, the Astros? president of baseball operations.
The Chronicle didn't say it. Tal Smith said it. As for comparing it to Oswalt, that's a very different situation. The front office didn't go out and confirm that.
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No, it's one thing when the Chronicle has sources that say it. Unless you're thinking this is fabricated.
The deal was close, according to Tal Smith, the Astros? president of baseball operations.
The Chronicle didn't say it. Tal Smith said it. As for comparing it to Oswalt, that's a very different situation. The front office didn't go out and confirm that.
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Now there's a report on the White Sox board that Peter Gammons is reporting that Kenny Williams is returning to the meetings and Houston plans to announce the deal.
I don't have any clue what's going on.
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Now there's a report on the White Sox board that Peter Gammons is reporting that Kenny Williams is returning to the meetings and Houston plans to announce the deal.
I don't have any clue what's going on.
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All these rumors are getting as fetid and stale as recycled air on a plane.
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Anything other than salary plus Garland for three players is nuts!
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Anything other than salary plus Garland for three players is nuts!
What if it were the 3b prospect pushing Crede (whose name escapes me) plus Garland?
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All these rumors are getting as fetid and stale as recycled air on a plane.
Fetid air on the plane, you say?
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All these rumors are getting as fetid and stale as recycled air on a plane.
Fetid air on the plane, you say?
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When I read the report in the Chron, I went to Astros.com to see if Footer was reporting it as well. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. You think Tal Smith may of said the same thing to Footer as he may of said to JDJO? If so, why the restraint from one and not the other?
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Anything other than salary plus Garland for three players is nuts!
What if it were the 3b prospect pushing Crede (whose name escapes me) plus Garland?
Then the ChiSox are nuts.
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You know when you're feeling down and there's nothing like a new pair of shoes to cheer you up?
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Can we PLEASE add to the forum rules that no links to Pinwheel are allowed without proper disclosure?
With that said... screw his Astros comments... it's established fact that he knows nothing on that subject. WTF is THIS?
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You know when you're feeling down and there's nothing like a new pair of shoes to cheer you up?
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WTF is THIS?
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You know when you're feeling down and there's nothing like a new pair of shoes to cheer you up?
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In related news, WTF is this?
"McLane should step up and let Pettitte know he's important to the Astros. He should do it today. Don't wait. Don't dally. Andy Pettitte is worth at least $16 million. Period. If the Yankees are willing to pay him $17 million, then the Astros should offer $18 million."
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Can we PLEASE add to the forum rules that no links to Pinwheel are allowed without proper disclosure?
With that said... screw his Astros comments... it's established fact that he knows nothing on that subject. WTF is THIS?
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You know when you're feeling down and there's nothing like a new pair of shoes to cheer you up?
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If Pettitte wants 18 million, sign Zito.
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12:59 p.m., from Jayson Stark
? The White Sox-Astros deal that had Jon Garland going to Houston for Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz has no chance of happening as it has been reported. White Sox GM Kenny Williams said that he can't trade a second starter unless he gets two major pieces in return.
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FWIW, a friend in Houston just e-mailed me that Berkman was on 610 a few minutes ago, saying that Pettitte is one of his best friends on the team and that he (Berkman) thinks AP is gone to NY, and that Clemens will follow.
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FWIW, a friend in Houston just e-mailed me that Berkman was on 610 a few minutes ago, saying that Pettitte is one of his best friends on the team and that he (Berkman) thinks AP is gone to NY, and that Clemens will follow.
i was listening to this as well and Lance said some curious things that aren't the usual PC stuff coming out of a ballplayer. it's the first time i've heard him on 610, so i don't know if he's always this candid. he was talking about how he likes Carlos Lee and all, but he thought the money would have been better spent on pitching (Jason Schmidt was his example). he did mention that he thought Pettitte was probably giong to NY and that Roger would probably go with him, which surprised me. he also called Richard Justice the "writer of wrongs", which i don't know if that's a new tag or not, but i like it.
speaking of radio talk, on the afternoon show on 790 (i've been in my car a lot today) they mentioned that the club seems to be warming to Jason Lane in center, saying he dropped 15 pounds and has been committed to do whatever it takes to improve his game (sounds like he was even slated to play winter league in Venezuala).
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I too am surprised by Berkman's candor. But I guess one can do that when you are one of the two cornerstones of a team.
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it's the first time i've heard him on 610, so i don't know if he's always this candid.
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FWIW, a friend in Houston just e-mailed me that Berkman was on 610 a few minutes ago, saying that Pettitte is one of his best friends on the team and that he (Berkman) thinks AP is gone to NY, and that Clemens will follow.
i was listening to this as well and Lance said some curious things that aren't the usual PC stuff coming out of a ballplayer. it's the first time i've heard him on 610, so i don't know if he's always this candid. he was talking about how he likes Carlos Lee and all, but he thought the money would have been better spent on pitching (Jason Schmidt was his example). he did mention that he thought Pettitte was probably giong to NY and that Roger would probably go with him, which surprised me. he also called Richard Justice the "writer of wrongs", which i don't know if that's a new tag or not, but i like it.
speaking of radio talk, on the afternoon show on 790 (i've been in my car a lot today) they mentioned that the club seems to be warming to Jason Lane in center, saying he dropped 15 pounds and has been committed to do whatever it takes to improve his game (sounds like he was even slated to play winter league in Venezuala).
Jay Lay has worked hard to get into the bigs, and has almost cost himself a spot. I'm not surprised he's willing to do anything to stay on the roster.
I too am surprised by Berkman's candor. But I guess one can do that when you are one of the two cornerstones of a team.
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Interesting article from Bill Madden. Says that everything about the Pettitte negotiations has come right from the Hendricks Bros. I read the article as suggesting that Pettitte wants to pitch for the Astros not the Yankees and he is just trying to up the price -- to "shame" Drayton into offering more money.
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Interesting article from Bill Madden. Says that everything about the Pettitte negotiations has come right from the Hendricks Bros. I read the article as suggesting that Pettitte wants to pitch for the Astros not the Yankees and he is just trying to up the price -- to "shame" Drayton into offering more money.
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What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12?
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seemed like he was on all morning, in the studio like a co-host. does he do this often? not only are the behind the scenes insights interesting, but the dude is hilarious.
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Because we all *know* it is easy to shame a billionaire out of his money... right?
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Because we all *know* it is easy to shame a billionaire out of his money... right?
Cause, that's how he became a billionaire. By falling prey to infantile negotiation tactics.
If the Wallet is going to give away $$, I'm guessing it will be something like 10% on Sundays...
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Sorta like preparing your sphincter for dildo insertion. Um, not that I'd know or anything,... but, um, I can just imagine what it... um, NTTAWWT, but yeah, ya know, ok.
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Sorta like preparing your sphincter for dildo insertion. Um, not that I'd know or anything,... but, um, I can just imagine what it... um, NTTAWWT, but yeah, ya know, ok.
Don't worry folks. I ain't YouTubin' this one.
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Is there a trough around here where people can gorge themselves of lead-based paint and then post on the Internet?
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i was listening to this as well and Lance said some curious things that aren't the usual PC stuff coming out of a ballplayer. it's the first time i've heard him on 610, so i don't know if he's always this candid. he was talking about how he likes Carlos Lee and all, but he thought the money would have been better spent on pitching (Jason Schmidt was his example). he did mention that he thought Pettitte was probably giong to NY and that Roger would probably go with him, which surprised me. he also called Richard Justice the "writer of wrongs", which i don't know if that's a new tag or not, but i like it.
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I understand this is a business, but I ask again "When is enough, enough?" What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12? Especially after you already have ~$50 Mil in previous salary earned?
Why not play where you want to? Shocking concept I know.
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I understand this is a business, but I ask again "When is enough, enough?" What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12? Especially after you already have ~$50 Mil in previous salary earned?
Why not play where you want to? Shocking concept I know.
Don't forget that a slice of that $3mil you want Andy to give away goes to the Hendricks hyenas.
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I understand this is a business, but I ask again "When is enough, enough?" What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12? Especially after you already have ~$50 Mil in previous salary earned?
Why not play where you want to? Shocking concept I know.
Don't forget that a slice of that $3mil you want Andy to give away goes to the Hendricks hyenas.
That then begs the question, who is working for whom?
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What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12?
The same thing that Drayton can buy with $1.2 billion that he can't buy with $1.197 billion.
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When the stock closes up 6 cents like it did on 12/6/06, Drayton makes a paper profit of $1.08M.
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I can't imagine that Drayton cares too much about a one time loss of $3M.
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When the stock closes up 6 cents like it did on 12/6/06, Drayton makes a paper profit of $1.08M.
THAT is fucking depressing.
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What can you buy with $15 Mil that you cannot with $12?
The same thing that Drayton can buy with $1.2 billion that he can't buy with $1.197 billion.
Drayton owns 18 million shares of Walmart. When the stock closes up 6 cents like it did on 12/6/06, Drayton makes a paper profit of $1.08M.
I can't imagine that Drayton cares too much about a one time loss of $3M.
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I can't imagine that Drayton cares too much about a one time loss of $3M.
You don't get to be uber-rich by leaving money on the table. You get there by pinching every penny there is.
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Fetid air on the plane, you say?
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curb the hysteria. nothing has been said so far that did not come from Team Racket.
i think he stays.
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Fetid air on the plane, you say?
One (of the few) unpleasant aspects of flying high performance aircraft is that a miniscule intestinal bubble at sea level can turn into a gigantic balloon at 30,000 feet; especially if you get to altitude in a hurry. Undoubtedly, the world's greatest farts, both in duration and intensity, have been ripped of in the cockpit of a jet fighter. While everybody else drinks beer or scotch and soda, the jet jockeys stick with whiskey and water and eat as bland a diet as possible.