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Title: buyer or seller
Post by: JimR on July 30, 2006, 07:36:27 pm
whatever we were this morning, we are tonight, imo. one game does not make a difference in the NL at the moment.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: astrojim on July 30, 2006, 07:46:51 pm
I agree Jim. Although my knee jerk reaction after this one (with tongue firmly planted in cheek) is to waive Lidge and Qualls.

As a mostly longtime lurker, my recent discontent has led me to post more!
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: CDastros on July 30, 2006, 07:59:22 pm
It is tough to be sellers with the recent history of the Astros.  Every time I count them out, they become red hot and make the playoffs.  Nobody is talking much about plan C, which is stand pat.  It may be a tough idea to handle, but it might be whats best for the organization in the future.  Plus this team can still win without being buyers or sellers.  Key players just need to play up to their potential and stay healthy.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: JimR on July 30, 2006, 08:06:18 pm
i think they should pursue the intelligent deal while protecting the future, just as we were saying yesterday. if they cannot find that deal, stand pat and make changes in the off-season. the WC can be won, and imo, management has a duty to try to win it.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: otterj on July 30, 2006, 08:06:59 pm
Hopefully still buyers. St. Louis and the Mets are hardly powerhouses. It seems less likely than the past two years, but if things fell right into place, the NL is still there for the taking.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: Uncle Charlie on July 30, 2006, 09:09:57 pm
The post game show today was a bit interesting.  Granatto said that he had talked to Drayton and was told in masked words that for 2 hours the O's and Astros had done a deal of Ensberg and Everett for Tejada.  Apparently the O's pulled out.

He went on to say that Drayton then said that they are continuing to look for deals, indicating that the team would try to make an impact move.  It sounded like that the results of this game didn't play into that decision.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: Dobro on July 30, 2006, 09:31:30 pm
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the O's and Astros had done a deal of Ensberg and Everett for Tejada.  Apparently the O's pulled out.


FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: Bench on July 30, 2006, 09:44:16 pm
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The post game show today was a bit interesting.  Granatto said that he had talked to Drayton and was told in masked words that for 2 hours the O's and Astros had done a deal of Ensberg and Everett for Tejada.  Apparently the O's pulled out.

He went on to say that Drayton then said that they are continuing to look for deals, indicating that the team would try to make an impact move.  It sounded like that the results of this game didn't play into that decision.



I believe Granato said that the deal was done for about two hours, until "a certain east coast team that has trouble making decisions" pulled out right before the final details. White, in a stage whisper, said it was the Orioles.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2006, 12:08:12 pm
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The post game show today was a bit interesting.  Granatto said that he had talked to Drayton and was told in masked words that for 2 hours the O's and Astros had done a deal of Ensberg and Everett for Tejada.  Apparently the O's pulled out.



You must have gotten a different broadcast than I did, because I don't recall Granato mentioning Ensberg and Everett. Or maybe you're just trying to stir the pot here.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: pravata on July 31, 2006, 12:11:45 pm
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i think they should pursue the intelligent deal while protecting the future, just as we were saying yesterday. if they cannot find that deal, stand pat and make changes in the off-season. the WC can be won, and imo, management has a duty to try to win it.



It's the mandate from the Owner.  Even if Purpura wanted to be a seller I doubt that he would be allowed.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: ybbodeus on July 31, 2006, 12:21:56 pm
Winthorpe:  "SELL FCOJ IN APRIL AT 142!!!"

I can't help but wonder if part of Roger's deal with the Grocer was that he wouldn't sell the team out from under him, not that ego played a part in any of it...
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: pravata on July 31, 2006, 12:29:20 pm
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Winthorpe:  "SELL FCOJ IN APRIL AT 142!!!"

I can't help but wonder if part of Roger's deal with the Grocer was that he wouldn't sell the team out from under him, not that ego played a part in any of it...



Stop wondering.  I don't think anyone had to say anything. Signing Clemens was a sure sign that Mclane was on the train till the end.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: ybbodeus on July 31, 2006, 12:30:42 pm
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Winthorpe:  "SELL FCOJ IN APRIL AT 142!!!"

I can't help but wonder if part of Roger's deal with the Grocer was that he wouldn't sell the team out from under him, not that ego played a part in any of it...



Stop wondering.  I don't think anyone had to say anything. Signing Clemens was a sure sign that Mclane was on the train till the end.



It's always dangerous when I start wondering, because that could lead to thinking.

Thamks.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: No? in Austin on July 31, 2006, 01:41:29 pm
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I believe Granato said that the deal was done for about two hours, until "a certain east coast team that has trouble making decisions" pulled out right before the final details. White, in a stage whisper, said it was the Orioles.



The reputation of the Orioles is just that, a team that has huge problems making decisions.  Why?  Peter Angelos is nuts, that's why and he wants final say so on baseball related decisions.  He is what George Steinbrenner used to be before Torre, Cashman and Michaels (especially the latter) convinced him that they knew how to do the job of running a baseball team quite well without Georgie's insance veto powers.  When men like Angelos, Steinbrenner and even McLane get their egos in the way, it can very dangerous for a baseball organization.

Angelos is known as the worse of the bunch.  He practically paralyzes the team into doing nothing because of his indecisive ways.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: No? in Austin on July 31, 2006, 01:42:18 pm
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whatever we were this morning, we are tonight, imo. one game does not make a difference in the NL at the moment.



Rumors are floating around that the Astros may want to trade Roy Oswalt.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2006, 01:44:14 pm
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whatever we were this morning, we are tonight, imo. one game does not make a difference in the NL at the moment.



Rumors are floating around that the Astros may want to trade Roy Oswalt.



Rumors often smell like something else that floats.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: No? in Austin on July 31, 2006, 01:48:24 pm
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whatever we were this morning, we are tonight, imo. one game does not make a difference in the NL at the moment.



Rumors are floating around that the Astros may want to trade Roy Oswalt.



Rumors often smell like something else that floats.



Well, the rumors are circulated by the media who, of course, is a lazy bunch of journalist who cut and paste from each other.  If the rumor is generated from one source (say Richard Justice's thinking out loud bubble), then it doesn't surprise me that it's reached the hills of central Texas as a fact.

Having said that, trading Roy Oswalt now would be stupid.  They can pick up his option next year and trade him next year if they want.  Today would be stupid.
Title: Re: buyer or seller
Post by: pravata on July 31, 2006, 01:50:47 pm
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whatever we were this morning, we are tonight, imo. one game does not make a difference in the NL at the moment.



Rumors are floating around that the Astros may want to trade Roy Oswalt.



Rumors often smell like something else that floats.



Well, the rumors are circulated by the media who, of course, is a lazy bunch of journalist who cut and paste from each other.  If the rumor is generated from one source (say Richard Justice's thinking out loud bubble), then it doesn't surprise me that it's reached the hills of central Texas as a fact.

Having said that, trading Roy Oswalt now would be stupid.  They can pick up his option next year and trade him next year if they want.  Today would be stupid.



They would have needed several weeks lead time to attract and analyze multiple offers.  Now, there wouldnt be enough bidders.