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Title: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: MusicMan on July 24, 2006, 04:39:40 pm
So says SI:

 The Link
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: hostros7 on July 24, 2006, 04:48:43 pm
And the ChiSox are apparently about to land Soriano. The Link

The Astros trading Wilson (a corner outfielder) makes little sense unless it is the first of a few other veteran contracts to be passed along.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: JimR on July 24, 2006, 04:50:12 pm
makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: jaklewein on July 24, 2006, 04:52:06 pm
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And the ChiSox are apparently about to land Soriano. The Link

The Astros trading Wilson (a corner outfielder) makes little sense unless it is the first of a few other veteran contracts to be passed along.





I don't know about little sense...that's freeing up more money to where it might help you go out and get a guy like Tejada or Abreu.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Golden Sombrero on July 24, 2006, 04:54:44 pm
Huh.  The link also rips into Ensberg, saying that the Stros performed 2 MRIs on his shoulder and found nothing wrong, and suggested that the slump is just a slump, and not injury-related.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: MusicMan on July 24, 2006, 04:56:43 pm
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The Astros trading Wilson (a corner outfielder) makes little sense unless it is the first of a few other veteran contracts to be passed along.




Why?  You have a surplus of players at the corners.  If Ensberg comes back, you have Huff and Berkman in the OF, Lamb at 1b, Ensberg at 3b.  If not, you have Burke in LF, Taveras in CF, etc.  Or Scott at LF, Burke in CF, etc.  Or Pence in LF...

... get the drift?
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: jaklewein on July 24, 2006, 04:57:21 pm
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Huh.  The link also rips into Ensberg, saying that the Stros performed 2 MRIs on his shoulder and found nothing wrong, and suggested that the slump is just a slump, and not injury-related.




That suprises you...the part about the slump I mean?  Shit, Ensberg has more batting stances than the Cubs have losses.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: hostros7 on July 24, 2006, 04:58:32 pm
I didn't think of the move in that regard, interesting.  Would like to see Preston stay, however, if a move isn't being made for an OFer.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: MusicMan on July 24, 2006, 04:59:36 pm
I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: pravata on July 24, 2006, 05:01:39 pm
Purpura is likely "offering" anyone who is not nailed down. I don't read anything special into this.  However I do wonder who the Astros would want at that level of trade from the Yankees.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Golden Sombrero on July 24, 2006, 05:06:17 pm
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Huh.  The link also rips into Ensberg, saying that the Stros performed 2 MRIs on his shoulder and found nothing wrong, and suggested that the slump is just a slump, and not injury-related.




That suprises you...the part about the slump I mean?  Shit, Ensberg has more batting stances than the Cubs have losses.




Not the slump.  I'm well aware of that (how couldn't anyone who watched be).  What surprises me is that there seemed to be no real injury.  

Edited to add: I guess I was drinking the Kool-Aid about him only being awful when he's trying to play hurt.  But I guess he could still be feeling pain, and the MRI wouldn't pick that up.  As usual, I have no real point.  
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: David in Jackson on July 24, 2006, 05:07:01 pm
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I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.




I agree - Preston has done what we could reasonably expect (though with fewer homers) and at $4 m.  

However, I doubt the club will pick up his option for next year (when his money goes up), so moving him makes sense.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: jaklewein on July 24, 2006, 05:09:08 pm
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I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.




Yep, as I've said in other threads, the Stros have a lot of options, especially in the OF, but also at 3rd.  IMHO, the problem is if you stick Berkman at 1st and Huff either at 3rd or OF...you still have two positions and a bunch of guys that simply haven't proven they can't be replaced with something better.  Preston's by and large done his job...but he was brought here in with the hopes that he'd be just another of many complementary pieces up and down the lineup carried mainly by Berkman and Ensberg.  Well, we all know the story with Ensberg...and the other comp pieces?  Well, Lane and Tavares haven't been so swift either.  If they can make a move to get another difference maker in the lineup then I'm a happy camper.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: ASTROCREEP on July 24, 2006, 05:31:47 pm
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I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.




They "expected" more Power from him.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Arky Vaughan on July 24, 2006, 05:50:50 pm
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I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.




They "expected" more Power from him.





He has done "about" what they expected. The power is a bit less, the OBP is a bit more.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: jaklewein on July 24, 2006, 06:03:48 pm
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I have nothing against Preston, I think he's done about what you expect, but this is just the right kind of move to me - doesn't hurt much this year, might help in the future.




They "expected" more Power from him.





He's projected to drive in 87 runs in 157 games.  That outta be right on par for what the Astros envisioned when they signed him, with the small hope that they might catch lightning in a bottle and do better (hence the option).  RBIs are far more important than home runs, at least they are in my little world.  Oh, and don't worry...I understand that my little world is in a whole other galaxy...far, far away from anything that actually means something...or makes sense.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Arky Vaughan on July 24, 2006, 06:21:08 pm
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RBIs are far more important than home runs, at least they are in my little world.




Isn't the nice thing about a home run that it always results in an RBI, regardless of what your teammates do?
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: jasonact on July 24, 2006, 06:25:35 pm
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RBIs are far more important than home runs, at least they are in my little world.




Isn't the nice thing about a home run that it always results in an RBI, regardless of what your teammates do?





Yes, which precisely why I too prefer RBI. Because it includes the homeruns and the runs driven in by other means as well. Since the object of the game is to score the most runs, RBI seems more important to me. It doesn't matter how they're driven in, as long as they are driven in.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: JackAstro on July 24, 2006, 06:25:47 pm
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Purpura is likely "offering" anyone who is not nailed down. I don't read anything special into this.  However I do wonder who the Astros would want at that level of trade from the Yankees.




Ron Villone again?
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Arky Vaughan on July 24, 2006, 07:11:03 pm
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Yes, which precisely why I too prefer RBI. Because it includes the homeruns and the runs driven in by other means as well. Since the object of the game is to score the most runs, RBI seems more important to me. It doesn't matter how they're driven in, as long as they are driven in.




You're right. I think they should stop distinguishing between sacrifice flies and home runs in the statistics, because the difference between them doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: VirtualBob on July 24, 2006, 07:21:01 pm
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Yes, which precisely why I too prefer RBI. Because it includes the homeruns and the runs driven in by other means as well. Since the object of the game is to score the most runs, RBI seems more important to me. It doesn't matter how they're driven in, as long as they are driven in.




You're right. I think they should stop distinguishing between sacrifice flies and home runs in the statistics, because the difference between them doesn't matter.





Right ... it's only a coupl'a feet!
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: homer on July 24, 2006, 10:28:29 pm
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Yes, which precisely why I too prefer RBI. Because it includes the homeruns and the runs driven in by other means as well. Since the object of the game is to score the most runs, RBI seems more important to me. It doesn't matter how they're driven in, as long as they are driven in.




You're right. I think they should stop distinguishing between sacrifice flies and home runs in the statistics, because the difference between them doesn't matter.





Chicks dig the sac fly.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: utastro on July 25, 2006, 12:11:47 am
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Chicks dig the sac fly.




Maybe you should change your screen name to Sac Fly.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: VirtualBob on July 25, 2006, 01:59:02 am
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Yes, which precisely why I too prefer RBI. Because it includes the homeruns and the runs driven in by other means as well. Since the object of the game is to score the most runs, RBI seems more important to me. It doesn't matter how they're driven in, as long as they are driven in.




You're right. I think they should stop distinguishing between sacrifice flies and home runs in the statistics, because the difference between them doesn't matter.




Chicks dig the sac fly.




There's a really bad pun in there somewhere ...
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: Gizzmonic on July 25, 2006, 12:01:35 pm
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Chicks dig the sac fly.





Or the fly sac!
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: homer on July 25, 2006, 12:21:41 pm
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Chicks dig the sac fly.





Or the fly sac!





Or the squeeze play.
Title: Re: Astros shopping Preston?
Post by: ybbodeus on July 25, 2006, 12:43:52 pm
If you bunt at the wrong time, they REALLY get miffed, though.