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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
The reason I ask is I heard the broadcasters say Zito uses Boras, and my assumption had always been that Zito will never sign a contract with a non-California team.
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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
Where did you get the impression that any of this is true?
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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
Where did you get the impression that any of this is true?
I don't know what's true. That's why I asked 3 questions.
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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
Where did you get the impression that any of this is true?
I don't know what's true. That's why I asked 3 questions.
Boras, like any other agent, works for the player. Zito can sign with whomever he wants.
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don't kid yourself. Boras calls the shots.
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I don't think I have ever seen a Boras client sign with a team that didnt also have the highest offer. The only exception might be Beltran with the Yankees, which Boras is said to have told their brass that they could have him for $100 million over 6 years.
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I don't think I have ever seen a Boras client sign with a team that didnt also have the highest offer. The only exception might be Beltran with the Yankees, which Boras is said to have told their brass that they could have him for $100 million over 6 years.
Beltran didn't sign with the Yankees.
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I don't think I have ever seen a Boras client sign with a team that didnt also have the highest offer. The only exception might be Beltran with the Yankees, which Boras is said to have told their brass that they could have him for $100 million over 6 years.
All offers are not made public so it would be difficult to research that question.. Boras has a bunch of players, and I'm sure some have taken less than market value to sign with the team they wanted to play for.
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My guess is that you sign with Boras because you want the most money, not the nicest school system. You've got to have that kind of expectation when you shop for an agent and his name enters the conversation.
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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
The answer to the first question is no. Elementary. So your second hypothetical, having been contigent upon the first being affirmed in the positive, is rendered irrelevant, as is the third or any other of the infinte postulations conceivable by such a fertile imagination.
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The reason I ask is ....
We all have our reasons. Pol Pot had a reason.
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When a player chooses Boras as his agent, does that player agree to sign with whatever team Boras tells him to? If so, is this a legal agreement that players will sign the contract that Boras tells them to sign? Or is it just understood that you go where he tells you?
The reason I ask is I heard the broadcasters say Zito uses Boras, and my assumption had always been that Zito will never sign a contract with a non-California team.
How would any of us know if there were a private agreement between Boras and his clients to sign a contract? If there were such a thing -- and I'm not even sure such an agreement would be permissible under the legal rules of ethics or the Collective Bargaining Agreement -- that would surely be kept confidential, wouldn't it? And what does Zito not wanting to play for a non-California team (not sure why you've made that assumption, by the way -- has Zito stated this?) have anything to do with Boras telling his clients were to sign?
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The answer to the first question is no. Elementary. So your second hypothetical, having been contigent upon the first being affirmed in the positive, is rendered irrelevant, as is the third or any other of the infinte postulations conceivable by such a fertile imagination.
Swedgin?
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Thanks for the response.
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How would any of us know if there were a private agreement between Boras and his clients to sign a contract?
I have no idea. I don't know anything about anyone here. I saw no reason not to ask, seeing as how 1) I was curious, and 2) I don't really care if anyone thinks my posts are stupid.
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I'm not even sure such an agreement would be permissible under the legal rules of ethics or the Collective Bargaining Agreement
I'm not sure either, which is part of why I asked.
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If there were such a thing that would surely be kept confidential, wouldn't it?
It strikes me as possible that such a thing would be difficult to keep entirely confidential.
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Zan, you might want to surf on google or yahoo to get an answer. There's a couple of starting points below. Not sure if that answers your question but it'll get you started.
Scott Bora$$ does a damn good job of getting top dollar for his clients. Signing with Bora$$ was the best play Chan Ho Park made in his career. He's got a bad reputation with fans and a good reputation with players.
Personally, I feel that if the owners are going to pay those salaries then I give Scott Bora$$ some props. If I'm a player then the guy I'd want representing me would be Bora$$. I imagine other folks would do the same.
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I don't think I have ever seen a Boras client sign with a team that didnt also have the highest offer. The only exception might be Beltran with the Yankees, which Boras is said to have told their brass that they could have him for $100 million over 6 years.
Beltran didn't sign with the Yankees.
I think that's what he was saying, Senior Drill Instructor, that the Yankees were the only "highest offer" team with whom a Boras client did NOT come to terms. However, I don't recall the Yankees ever formalizing an offer of that magnitude to him or of any OTHER magnitude for that matter, do you?
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I don't think I have ever seen a Boras client sign with a team that didnt also have the highest offer. The only exception might be Beltran with the Yankees, which Boras is said to have told their brass that they could have him for $100 million over 6 years.
Beltran didn't sign with the Yankees.
I think that's what he was saying, Senior Drill Instructor, that the Yankees were the only "highest offer" team with whom a Boras client did NOT come to terms. However, I don't recall the Yankees ever formalizing an offer of that magnitude to him or of any OTHER magnitude for that matter, do you?
They did not. The Yankees didn't want Beltran and did not make him an offer and he did not sign. Which is why it is not an excpetion to Borass's clients always signing with the hightest bidder.
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It is my impression that what Boras does is hypnotize owners into making ridiculously high bids for free agents - remember, at one point he had Tom Hicks, otherwise a shrewd and ruthless businessman, bidding against himself in the A-Rod sweepstakes.
How he hypnotizes them is open to conjecture, I suppose. Good salesmanship? Witchcraft? Communion with (you name the dark force)? Personally, I believe he is one of those lizard people; you know, the ones where if you look away and then look back real quick, for an instant you see their lizard face instead of the human facade.
It is what Boras does next that is wickedly brilliant. Instead of coercing his client directly, he lets the union influence his client into signing the most lucrative deal, whether the player prefers to or not. For the good of all, you know. A rising tide raises all boats, etc.
This is all perfectly legal, and many would say just good bargaining. Many reservations about Boras seem to be on moral grounds, but of course morals have nothing to do with it.
If nothing else, Boras has been one of the best bogeymen in sports in the last twenty years. I'll bet Hicks still has bad dreams about him.
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So should the fact that the Cubs paid for Boras' legal education be yet another reason to consider them the hateable losers?
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he lies in negotiations. no integrity at all. Matt B.'s mother would not let him in her house. i gave her a standing ovation.
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he lies in negotiations. no integrity at all. Matt B.'s mother would not let him in her house. i gave her a standing ovation.
If you really want to hear something funny, listen to Boras drone on about "disreputable" agents. I can't remember the kid's name at the moment, from Tennessee, but he was drafted by LA last year, their top pick, his agent negotiated a contract and a $3M bonus, kid gave LA a verbal commitment. Then Boras got to him, said his agent was no good, etc. The kid dumped his agent, and the Dodgers, and re-opened negotiations. He never signed and was re-drafted this season, I believe.
I heard the player rationalizing what he did (he was just a young kid and was "badgered" into a deal with a suck-ass agent before Boras rescued him) and then Boras remark on his disdainful regard for the other agent. Taking the high road, and all.
Boras, I couldn't care less. But I couldn't help thinking how the kid, age 21 or so, had just happily sold his soul.
Where were his parents during all this? He needed a mom like Belisle's.
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I think it's a vicious circle with Boras clients.
"Player A" signs with Boras before drafted. Then "Player A" is in his big FA year, and Boras uses his odious methods to get a mammoth bid from someone.
The player may not want to leave his current club, but with union pressure and considering he has nothing to fall back on after baseball, signs on for the mammoth bid.
Then some highly-regarded kid sees how much "Player A" got with Boras and signs with him.
This is why we need a cap in MLB so there's not such ridiculous overbidding of players, which Boras takes advantage of with his lying "rumored offers".
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This is why we need a cap in MLB so there's not such ridiculous overbidding of players, which Boras takes advantage of with his lying "rumored offers".
Seems like the buyers in the market have a simple solution to this problem.
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This is why we need a cap in MLB so there's not such ridiculous overbidding of players, which Boras takes advantage of with his lying "rumored offers".
Seems like the buyers in the market have a simple solution to this problem.
If all teams did that, would it not be construed as "collusion"?
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If all teams did that, would it not be construed as "collusion"?
Only if they convene a meeting and say "let's not deal with this asshole".
However, if each team individually comes to the conclusion that dealing with that asshole is too much of a pain in the ass, I don't see how that could be construed as anything other than a market correction.
Not that he wouldn't shout about a black-helicopter conspiracy in that case, of course.
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He works it like a one time too many burned car buyer, who's learned to get the best damned deal he can, then throws down the "I've got to think about it" card to get out of the room, and finishes with it's off to shop the deal....sometimes in the press.
Ruthless bastard!