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Title: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 27, 2006, 10:43:02 pm
that 3-1 pitch may have been the single worst call i have ever seen. it completely turned the game around. he is either crooked or incompetent beyond redemption.

on a related note, the Astros can get to the playoffs, but TP must find a hitter or two. hitting Lane #2 and Burke #5 is a joke. Ensberg and Lane passed awful headed south quite some time ago. Craig Wilson may be a good suggestion; i don't know. i just know that standing pat looks futile to me.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Dobro on June 27, 2006, 10:51:25 pm
Lane should not be starting for a major league team.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Lefty on June 27, 2006, 11:15:50 pm
Agreed on all counts, Jim.

I don't know what to say about Bucknor, but he's every bit as bad as his reputation would indicate.  Unbelievable, really.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: matadorph on June 27, 2006, 11:24:22 pm
Clemens refused to comment on Bucknor, but when pressed for the third time or so he relented a little and said something like "isn't it obvious?"

Yes. CB Bucknor has no business umpiring major league baseball games.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: stubbyc on June 27, 2006, 11:26:55 pm
Wheeler didn't help with his puzzling pitch sequence to Monroe. I kept waiting for the slider and Wheeler kept pumping inside fastballs. I was pretty surprised to see Clemens leave when he did too.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: matadorph on June 27, 2006, 11:29:44 pm
I'm not so sure it was up to Garner. Clemens was leaving regardless.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Dobro on June 27, 2006, 11:32:24 pm
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Clemens was leaving regardless.



Clemens didn't have a choice.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 27, 2006, 11:40:28 pm
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Lane should not be starting for a major league team.




Nice piling on.  When did you figure this? Last season? In April? The Astros have had him on the bench since mid-May.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Dobro on June 27, 2006, 11:43:30 pm
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The Astros have had him on the bench since mid-May.



He wasn't on the bench tonight.  All .208 of him was in the 2-hole.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 27, 2006, 11:45:51 pm
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The Astros have had him on the bench since mid-May.



He wasn't on the bench tonight.  All .208 of him was in the 2-hole.





Palmeiro?  Biggio is nursing a sore shoulder, try to keep up.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Dobro on June 27, 2006, 11:52:15 pm
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The Astros have had him on the bench since mid-May.



He wasn't on the bench tonight.  All .208 of him was in the 2-hole.




Palmeiro?  Biggio is nursing a sore shoulder, try to keep up.



Lane starting (and in the 2-hole) certainly wasn't the only option, much less the smartest.  You're a big boy; you know that.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 27, 2006, 11:56:01 pm
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The Astros have had him on the bench since mid-May.



He wasn't on the bench tonight.  All .208 of him was in the 2-hole.




Palmeiro?  Biggio is nursing a sore shoulder, try to keep up.



Lane starting (and in the 2-hole) certainly wasn't the only option, much less the smartest.  You're a big boy; you know that.




Who else do you start in right? Berkman with Lamb playing 1st?  He's hitting .207 vs lefthanders.  As long as Lane is on the team, he's an option.  I follow the Astros, I know exactly what Garner was trying to do.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 12:00:57 am
he had to play. the 2 hole puzzles me. Burke batting 5 is almost as strange.

oh, and fuck off Dobro. you only show up to bitch.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Dobro on June 28, 2006, 12:02:11 am
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As long as Lane is on the team, he's an option.  



You're preaching to the choir.  My original statement was, "Lane should not be starting for a major league team."
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 12:05:25 am
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he had to play. the 2 hole puzzles me. Burke batting 5 is almost as strange.




Burke has been getting hits.  A rarity on this team.  It's not so much why hit him 5th, but who else to hit 5th.  Wilson is of course the answer.  Lane 2nd is in line with what he's been doing with Lamb, and a tradition that goes back to DBell. Put him in a rocking chair, maybe he gets more pitches to hit.  The real question is how that was going to happen with Ensberg hitting 3.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 12:06:54 am
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As long as Lane is on the team, he's an option.  



You're preaching to the choir.  My original statement was, "Lane should not be starting for a major league team."





Astros not a major league team?  Lane is on the team, a spot start is no reason for this type of whining.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: MusicMan on June 28, 2006, 12:58:18 am
I did not see it until the SportCenter highlight.

Absofuckinglutely unbelievable.  If that's not a strike, there are no strikes.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Rebel Jew on June 28, 2006, 01:16:14 am
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that 3-1 pitch may have been the single worst call i have ever seen. it completely turned the game around. he is either crooked or incompetent beyond redemption.

on a related note, the Astros can get to the playoffs, but TP must find a hitter or two. hitting Lane #2 and Burke #5 is a joke. Ensberg and Lane passed awful headed south quite some time ago. Craig Wilson may be a good suggestion; i don't know. i just know that standing pat looks futile to me.





why do you think ensberg's so messed up lately, jim?  a bad habits hybrid?  injury issues?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Frobie on June 28, 2006, 01:44:22 am
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that 3-1 pitch may have been the single worst call i have ever seen.




You are a fucking pussy.  Suck it up.  Maybe you should join the "Jolly Roger" Brigade, but the rest of the folks have to live with shitty calls.

So fuck you.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 02:44:19 am
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Clemens refused to comment on Bucknor, but when pressed for the third time or so he relented a little and said something like "isn't it obvious?"

Yes. CB Bucknor has no business umpiring major league baseball games.





I was sure Clemens was going to explode at Bucknor when walking off the field after Garner yanked him.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 02:47:26 am
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Lane should not be starting for a major league team.




This statement doesn't seem like one that should provoke such hostility.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 02:50:54 am
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that 3-1 pitch may have been the single worst call i have ever seen. it completely turned the game around. he is either crooked or incompetent beyond redemption.




Difference between runners on first and second with one out vs. nobody on, two outs and a full count on the batter. Also the difference between a starter having a great game staying in vs. getting into a less-than-reliable bullpen.

Bucknor is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Limey on June 28, 2006, 09:29:13 am
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that 3-1 pitch may have been the single worst call i have ever seen. it completely turned the game around. he is either crooked or incompetent beyond redemption.



Incompetance, when taken to the extreme, is indistinguishable from malice.  I think Bucknor is incompetant in the extreme.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: astro pete on June 28, 2006, 09:39:51 am
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why do you think ensberg's so messed up lately, jim?  a bad habits hybrid?  injury issues?





From what I've read his shoulder is still hurting.  Not putting him on the 15-day DL in Atlanta, in my opinion, was a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: drew corleone on June 28, 2006, 10:42:41 am
Vintage CB...

It's even worse when that bastard takes off the mask after such a call so he can get a little face time on camera, with that incredulous aura, as if anyone should dispute his judgment.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: hostros7 on June 28, 2006, 10:52:39 am
Craig Wilson is an interesting suggestion.  I don't advocate a win now mentality all the time....rather see the young guys develop.  But, already investing in Clemens has placed a bit of urgency on the season.  Do we have to give up the whole farm to get Crawford or will that not even do it?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 10:57:56 am
Uh, the Astros got shut out! Were you guys who are complaining about Bucknor expecting a big offensive push in the 10th?


Ensberg should go on the DL, Lamb to 3rd. TP must do his job
and find a 1st/OF/3b with some pop.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 10:58:57 am
you talking to me, Frobie?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 11:02:32 am
then, you have not been following closely.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 11:04:48 am
no doubt about the shutout. that does not detract from my complaints about the call. the 7th should have ended 0-0. after that, Bucknor's call would have no effect. his call was either dishonest or beyond belief incompetent.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: austro on June 28, 2006, 11:08:11 am
Bucknor certainly didn't help things, but he wasn't responsible for
  • Ausmus failing to put the ball in play with Wilson on 3rd and no outs.
  • Everett popping out to the infield with Wilson on 3rd and one out.
  • Wheeler teeing up the 2-2 pitch to Monroe (after having him down 0-2).
  • Everett falling asleep on the relay after a nice play by Wilson on Monroe's hit.
  • Ensberg booting a perfectly routine groundball.
     
At some point, these guys have to start executing better.  Recently it seems like every game features one or two Little League moments.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: hostros7 on June 28, 2006, 11:11:23 am
There is a problem when you have men on 1st and 2nd and nobody out with your 3 & 4 hitters up in the top of the 8th and they don't even advance the runners.  

zumaya was impressive though, imo.  Threw smoke with a decent bender.  And he's only 22.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 11:32:12 am
What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 11:44:25 am
OR, if they cannot add a slugger or two,  2 solid bullpen guys would really help. I hate seeing teams playing late inning ADD ON against the Stros. (I'm just not used to it, I guess)
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: lc_db on June 28, 2006, 11:46:54 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Um.....  last time I checked (although I HAVE been out of touch the last six weeks) Houston was a National League city.  The line-up isn't constructed to "take advantage" of the DH, and shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: No? in Austin on June 28, 2006, 11:47:21 am
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There is a problem when you have men on 1st and 2nd and nobody out with your 3 & 4 hitters up in the top of the 8th and they don't even advance the runners




... and a misplaced #5 hitter.  They would pitch differently to Berkman if, say, a Jeff Bagwell was hitting behind him rather than a very good #2 hitter like Burke.

Garner's choice for a lineup yesterday, albeit a righty hitting dependent lineup due to the lefty pitcher, was head scratching to say the least.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 11:50:09 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Um.....  last time I checked (although I HAVE been out of touch the last six weeks) Houston was a National League city.  The line-up isn't constructed to "take advantage" of the DH, and shouldn't be.




My point was, your bench should not consist of primarily defensive replacements.

Garner has been forced to make Lamb an every day starter because of the lack of offense.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 11:50:58 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Anyone else under the delusion that the Astros ever expected to win with hitting?  Anyone?  If it's last night that lead you to this revelation, consider that a couple fly balls, maybe a grounder to the right side, and heads up defense would have won this one, something like 2-1.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Jacksonian on June 28, 2006, 11:53:45 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Lane isn't a defensive replacement player.  He's supposed to be a slugger.  And, if Lane were hitting Lamb would be on the bench.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 11:55:14 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Anyone else under the delusion that the Astros ever expected to win with hitting?  Anyone?  If it's last night that lead you to this revelation, consider that a couple fly balls, maybe a grounder to the right side, and heads up defense would have won this one, something like 2-1.




Or a solid bullpen.
See my post right after that one.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: BudGirl on June 28, 2006, 11:56:59 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Lane isn't a defensive replacement player.  He's supposed to be a slugger.  And, if Lane were hitting Lamb would be on the bench.





I'm thinking if Lane were hitting Ensberg would be on the bench.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 11:57:39 am
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Anyone else under the delusion that the Astros ever expected to win with hitting?  Anyone?  If it's last night that lead you to this revelation, consider that a couple fly balls, maybe a grounder to the right side, and heads up defense would have won this one, something like 2-1.




See my post right after that one.




Great, add a post about sloppy defense, how Garner is suddenly crazy and the shortsightedness of Purpura and you could be Richard Justice.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 12:01:40 pm
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Lane isn't a defensive replacement player.  He's supposed to be a slugger.  And, if Lane were hitting Lamb would be on the bench.





Agreed.
See my 2nd post after that one.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: toddthebod on June 28, 2006, 12:18:34 pm
Here is the lineup that I would be throwing out (non-DH situation).

Burke (cf)
Biggio (2b)
Berkman (rf)
Lamb (1b)
Wilson (lf)
Ensberg (3b)
Ausmus (c)
Everett (ss)

But if I were Purpura, I would be looking very hard for at least one more hitter, maybe two.

By the way, who was the person who said around 6 weeks ago, that he saw no reason why Ausmus wouldn't continue hitting at a +.300 pace?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 12:19:36 pm
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What really bugs me about this team, they cannot even take advantage of playing with a DH. Biggio is the obvious choice to be the DH, but right now our bench guys are DEFENSIVE replacments Willy, Brunt, Rafi, Lane.

Garner NEEDS MORE SLUGGERS!!!





Anyone else under the delusion that the Astros ever expected to win with hitting?  Anyone?  If it's last night that lead you to this revelation, consider that a couple fly balls, maybe a grounder to the right side, and heads up defense would have won this one, something like 2-1.




See my post right after that one.




Great, add a post about sloppy defense, how Garner is suddenly crazy and the shortsightedness of Purpura and you could be Richard Justice.




I actually think Garner is doing the best he can with what he's got.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 12:27:32 pm
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Here is the lineup that I would be throwing out (non-DH situation).

Burke (cf)
Biggio (2b)
Berkman (rf)
Lamb (1b)
Wilson (lf)
Ensberg (3b)
Ausmus (c)
Everett (ss)

But if I were Purpura, I would be looking very hard for at least one more hitter, maybe two.

By the way, who was the person who said around 6 weeks ago, that he saw no reason why Ausmus wouldn't continue hitting at a +.300 pace?





Purpura HAS been looking for another position player for weeks now.  Glad you geniuses caught up. So has the Angels, the Cardinals, the Yankees, Rockies, Dodgers, Cubs (for awhile), Braves, and Tigers. And the comment about Ausmus was about his approach.  Only someone with an agenda, a constant oblivious whine about Ausmus catching, would store away this nugget to spring at an opportune moment.  You blew it, should've waited till later in the season so you could complain about how the Astros are out of contention due to Ausmus' lack of a .300 average.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: No? in Austin on June 28, 2006, 12:32:12 pm
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By the way, who was the person who said around 6 weeks ago, that he saw no reason why Ausmus wouldn't continue hitting at a +.300 pace?




Me.  Why, you want to discuss it? (BTW - I never said he would continue hitting at a +.300 pace... I said his approach to hitting was excellent and I didn't see where he would tail off significantly because of it).  Let's go for it!
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: toddthebod on June 28, 2006, 12:46:21 pm
Wah Wah Wah.  Shut the fuck up Pravata.  

Everyone knows that Purpura is looking for a hitter -- so that means that we can't talk about it??????

As for Ausmus, I wasn't blaming Ausmus for last night's loss.  But since you bring it up, Ausmus is now 0 for his last 27!!!  Mindboggling.  Ausmus is batting .155 in June.  And while he might call a great game, teams are learning that they can run at will on the Astros and the blame for this does not rest entirely with the pitchers.  And I don't think that I am imagining that there have been more wild pitches this year with him catching than ever before.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: No? in Austin on June 28, 2006, 12:48:30 pm
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Purpura HAS been looking for another position player for weeks now.  Glad you geniuses caught up. So has the Angels, the Cardinals, the Yankees, and Tigers.




The Count has warned everyone that making a change in the lineup will require a change in the construction of the team.  So he's told everyone that they need to figure out what part of the lineup needs to be addressed.  He has asked repeatedly "Where would you make a change?".  It is a fair question and one that should be foundation for a change in the Astros.  In 2004, Gerry Hunsicker said almost the same thing.  He made a change, and guess what... it was a defensive upgrade at the crux of it.  He got Carlos Beltran to man centerfield and take Craig Biggio out of the important fielding position.  Does Purpura face the same challenge today?  Is Chris Burke or Willy Taveras the same as having Craig Biggio out there that it is a concern for Purpura and Garner?  In 2004, with Kent, Berkman, Bagwell in the middle of the lineup, was a change for the run producing part of the lineup in order?  So given that short history, are changes needed (#1) and if so, what changes (#2)?

Bitching about Adam Everett and/or Brad Ausmus at this point and time is incredible (IMHO)

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And the comment about Ausmus was about his approach.  Only someone with an agenda, a constant oblivious whine about Ausmus catching, would store away this nugget to spring at an opportune moment.  You blew it, should've waited till later in the season so you could complain about how the Astros are out of contention due to Ausmus' lack of a .300 average.




Thank you, that is EGGSZACTLY what I talked about with TTB.  His lack of grasping this is blinded by his agenda against Ausmus unfortunately.  Talking to him some more about it will only lead to more of the same.

 Is Brad Aumus a Babe Ruth re-incarnated?

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I have always seen Brad Ausmus as more of a fielder and less of a hitter. This year, he has turned it around massively. Do you know what created the spark in his bat or is he just on a slight streak?
-- John S., Galena Park, Texas


As of this writing, Ausmus was 11-for-67 in June. That's a .164 average. It was fun watching him hit .339 in April, but I think we all knew that wasn't going to last. The backstop isn't a .339 hitter, but he's not a .164 hitter, either. He's somewhere in the middle. I think that's what we can expect to see the rest of the season.

That said, historically, Ausmus heats up in August. He hit .310 last August, and he has a career average of .292 during that month. It's odd that he hits well in August, considering he plays the most demanding position on the field, and August is usually when players start to wear down a bit.



Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 12:50:58 pm
damn, todd, this post is so full of shit that it exceeds everything you have ever done.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 12:58:17 pm
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Wah Wah Wah.  Shut the fuck up Pravata.  

Everyone knows that Purpura is looking for a hitter -- so that means that we can't talk about it??????

As for Ausmus, I wasn't blaming Ausmus for last night's loss.  But since you bring it up, Ausmus is now 0 for his last 27!!!  Mindboggling.  Ausmus is batting .155 in June.  And while he might call a great game, teams are learning that they can run at will on the Astros and the blame for this does not rest entirely with the pitchers.  And I don't think that I am imagining that there have been more wild pitches this year with him catching than ever before.





Talk about it?  Sure.  Whine about it? Boring.  You have far more interest in your "imagination" than following the Astros. Purpura has since he took over as GM explained in detail his strategy towards trades.  No one has "run at will" on the Astros. Have teams "run at will" on Estrada? On Schneider?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 12:58:54 pm
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Wah Wah Wah.  Shut the fuck up Pravata.  

Everyone knows that Purpura is looking for a hitter -- so that means that we can't talk about it??????





We can talk about it. It apparently just makes us geniuses if we do.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: toddthebod on June 28, 2006, 01:00:25 pm
Nice use of hyperbole Jim.  I think that you could find posts of mine that you disagreed with more.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: toddthebod on June 28, 2006, 01:02:20 pm
Pravata, show me any post this season where I've whined about the need to make player acquisitions.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: No? in Austin on June 28, 2006, 01:05:04 pm
Can we talk about my apparent take that Aumsus would *continue* to hit at a +.300 pace?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
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Purpura HAS been looking for another position player for weeks now.  Glad you geniuses caught up. So has the Angels, the Cardinals, the Yankees, and Tigers.




The Count has warned everyone that making a change in the lineup will require a change in the construction of the team.  So he's told everyone that they need to figure out what part of the lineup needs to be addressed.  He has asked repeatedly "Where would you make a change?".  It is a fair question and one that should be foundation for a change in the Astros.  In 2004, Gerry Hunsicker said almost the same thing.  He made a change, and guess what... it was a defensive upgrade at the crux of it.  He got Carlos Beltran to man centerfield and take Craig Biggio out of the important fielding position.  Does Purpura face the same challenge today?  Is Chris Burke or Willy Taveras the same as having Craig Biggio out there that it is a concern for Purpura and Garner?  In 2004, with Kent, Berkman, Bagwell in the middle of the lineup, was a change for the run producing part of the lineup in order?  So given that short history, are changes needed (#1) and if so, what changes (#2)?

Bitching about Adam Everett and/or Brad Ausmus at this point and time is incredible (IMHO)

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And the comment about Ausmus was about his approach.  Only someone with an agenda, a constant oblivious whine about Ausmus catching, would store away this nugget to spring at an opportune moment.  You blew it, should've waited till later in the season so you could complain about how the Astros are out of contention due to Ausmus' lack of a .300 average.




Thank you, that is EGGSZACTLY what I talked about with TTB.  His lack of grasping this is blinded by his agenda against Ausmus unfortunately.  Talking to him some more about it will only lead to more of the same.

 Is Brad Aumus a Babe Ruth re-incarnated?

Quote:

I have always seen Brad Ausmus as more of a fielder and less of a hitter. This year, he has turned it around massively. Do you know what created the spark in his bat or is he just on a slight streak?
-- John S., Galena Park, Texas


As of this writing, Ausmus was 11-for-67 in June. That's a .164 average. It was fun watching him hit .339 in April, but I think we all knew that wasn't going to last. The backstop isn't a .339 hitter, but he's not a .164 hitter, either. He's somewhere in the middle. I think that's what we can expect to see the rest of the season.

That said, historically, Ausmus heats up in August. He hit .310 last August, and he has a career average of .292 during that month. It's odd that he hits well in August, considering he plays the most demanding position on the field, and August is usually when players start to wear down a bit.








No, but Adam Everett is Ty Cobb, or the '27 Yankees.  I read about it in the The Big Boys Book of Shit That is No Longer Relevant.   The other one I like is how Jason Lane is suddenly no longer a major leaguer.  Couldn't have said something in April?  All in the middle of how Jimerson, Pence, Scott, et al, is the next savior of the outfield.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2006, 01:05:45 pm
i do not pay attention to your wild-ass trade stuff. here you tried to talk about real baseball. it was incredibly wrong.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 01:10:27 pm
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Can we talk about my apparent take that Aumsus would *continue* to hit at a +.300 pace?




I don't think we should talk about it unless he's actually doing it. Otherwise, it's meta-baseball, or imagination, or something irrelevant from some book of shit.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Jacksonian on June 28, 2006, 01:11:09 pm
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Purpura HAS been looking for another position player for weeks now.  Glad you geniuses caught up. So has the Angels, the Cardinals, the Yankees, and Tigers.




The Count has warned everyone that making a change in the lineup will require a change in the construction of the team.  So he's told everyone that they need to figure out what part of the lineup needs to be addressed.  He has asked repeatedly "Where would you make a change?".  It is a fair question and one that should be foundation for a change in the Astros.  In 2004, Gerry Hunsicker said almost the same thing.  He made a change, and guess what... it was a defensive upgrade at the crux of it.  He got Carlos Beltran to man centerfield and take Craig Biggio out of the important fielding position.  Does Purpura face the same challenge today?  Is Chris Burke or Willy Taveras the same as having Craig Biggio out there that it is a concern for Purpura and Garner?  In 2004, with Kent, Berkman, Bagwell in the middle of the lineup, was a change for the run producing part of the lineup in order?  So given that short history, are changes needed (#1) and if so, what changes (#2)?

Bitching about Adam Everett and/or Brad Ausmus at this point and time is incredible (IMHO)

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And the comment about Ausmus was about his approach.  Only someone with an agenda, a constant oblivious whine about Ausmus catching, would store away this nugget to spring at an opportune moment.  You blew it, should've waited till later in the season so you could complain about how the Astros are out of contention due to Ausmus' lack of a .300 average.




Thank you, that is EGGSZACTLY what I talked about with TTB.  His lack of grasping this is blinded by his agenda against Ausmus unfortunately.  Talking to him some more about it will only lead to more of the same.

 Is Brad Aumus a Babe Ruth re-incarnated?

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I have always seen Brad Ausmus as more of a fielder and less of a hitter. This year, he has turned it around massively. Do you know what created the spark in his bat or is he just on a slight streak?
-- John S., Galena Park, Texas


As of this writing, Ausmus was 11-for-67 in June. That's a .164 average. It was fun watching him hit .339 in April, but I think we all knew that wasn't going to last. The backstop isn't a .339 hitter, but he's not a .164 hitter, either. He's somewhere in the middle. I think that's what we can expect to see the rest of the season.

That said, historically, Ausmus heats up in August. He hit .310 last August, and he has a career average of .292 during that month. It's odd that he hits well in August, considering he plays the most demanding position on the field, and August is usually when players start to wear down a bit.








No, but Adam Everett is Ty Cobb, or the '27 Yankees.  I read about it in the The Big Boys Book of Shit That is No Longer Relevant.   The other one I like is how Jason Lane is suddenly no longer a major leaguer.  Couldn't have said something in April?  All in the middle of how Jimerson, Pence, Scott, et al, is the next savior of the outfield.




Congratulations!  You've done it. Scott in left, Pence in center, Jimerson in right.  You've saved the outfield!.....Except, wait, Scott has yet to prove he's more than a AAAA hitter; Pence is still learning how to hit; and, Jimerson is looking more like the Jimerson of old rather than the one of April and May.  Ah, forget it.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: No? in Austin on June 28, 2006, 01:12:57 pm
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No, but Adam Everett is Ty Cobb, or the '27 Yankees.  I read about it in the The Big Boys Book of Shit That is No Longer Relevant.   The other one I like is how Jason Lane is suddenly no longer a major leaguer.  Couldn't have said something in April?  All in the middle of how Jimerson, Pence, Scott, et al, is the next savior of the outfield.




I listened to the tenth inning show last night while running to the store on an errand.  I got in the car right when some caller was in full rant:

(caller)"I don't get it!  I REALLY DON'T!  You have a guy who hits for high average, is great defensively, has pop in his bat, yet we have to continue to watch Adam Everett fail as a major league shortstop?!?!?  Tell me why don't the Astros consider moving up (pause) Ben Zobrist!?!?  WHY?"

(I immediately stop the car and bang my head against the steering wheel, hoping that somehow I can remove the last rant from my cerebelum)

(caller) "And while we're at it, what about JR House... and Hunter Pence.  The Astros need to change out House for Munson, get rid of Everett for Zobrist and bring up Pence too."

(okay, now the guy is in full "bring up the AA guys to make the appropriate changes" mode)

(Radio Host) "I agree completely..."

(I turn off the AM dial and put in a CD right away... the world has gone mad and they want me to join in the madness.  The hell you say, go off the deep end folks all you want, just don't expect me to join!).
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 01:15:53 pm
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No, but Adam Everett is Ty Cobb, or the '27 Yankees.  I read about it in the The Big Boys Book of Shit That is No Longer Relevant.   The other one I like is how Jason Lane is suddenly no longer a major leaguer.  Couldn't have said something in April?  All in the middle of how Jimerson, Pence, Scott, et al, is the next savior of the outfield.




I listened to the tenth inning show last night while running to the store on an errand.  I got in the car right when some caller was in full rant:

(caller)"I don't get it!  I REALLY DON'T!  You have a guy who hits for high average, is great defensively, has pop in his bat, yet we have to continue to watch Adam Everett fail as a major league shortstop?!?!?  Tell me why don't the Astros consider moving up (pause) Ben Zobrist!?!?  WHY?"

(I immediately stop the car and bang my head against the steering wheel, hoping that somehow I can remove the last rant from my cerebelum)

(caller) "And while we're at it, what about JR House... and Hunter Pence.  The Astros need to change out House for Munson, get rid of Everett for Zobrist and bring up Pence too."

(okay, now the guy is in full "bring up the AA guys to make the appropriate changes" mode)

(Radio Host) "I agree completely..."

(I turn off the AM dial and put in a CD right away... the world has gone mad and they want me to join in the madness.  The hell you say, go off the deep end folks all you want, just don't expect me to join!).





Your first mistake was turning on the radio.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on June 28, 2006, 01:16:12 pm
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No, but Adam Everett is Ty Cobb, or the '27 Yankees.  I read about it in the The Big Boys Book of Shit That is No Longer Relevant.   The other one I like is how Jason Lane is suddenly no longer a major leaguer.  Couldn't have said something in April?  All in the middle of how Jimerson, Pence, Scott, et al, is the next savior of the outfield.




I listened to the tenth inning show last night while running to the store on an errand.  I got in the car right when some caller was in full rant:

(caller)"I don't get it!  I REALLY DON'T!  You have a guy who hits for high average, is great defensively, has pop in his bat, yet we have to continue to watch Adam Everett fail as a major league shortstop?!?!?  Tell me why don't the Astros consider moving up (pause) Ben Zobrist!?!?  WHY?"

(I immediately stop the car and bang my head against the steering wheel, hoping that somehow I can remove the last rant from my cerebelum)

(caller) "And while we're at it, what about JR House... and Hunter Pence.  The Astros need to change out House for Munson, get rid of Everett for Zobrist and bring up Pence too."

(okay, now the guy is in full "bring up the AA guys to make the appropriate changes" mode)

(Radio Host) "I agree completely..."

(I turn off the AM dial and put in a CD right away... the world has gone mad and they want me to join in the madness.  The hell you say, go off the deep end folks all you want, just don't expect me to join!).




It's your own fault for listening to the Radio, let alone AM coverage, for anything other than actual game!

edited to add:
Friggin' Cabrera's a brave...Damnit,you are faster with the keyboard than I am.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 01:16:34 pm
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Pravata, show me any post this season where I've whined about the need to make player acquisitions.




You just did.  Ignoring completely that Purpura has said he has been doing that very thing for weeks.  Other teams are looking to trade for hitters too.  I don't know that you've noticed, but some GMs, on other teams, have mentioned how difficult it is to make a trade at this point.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on June 28, 2006, 01:21:02 pm
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Pravata, show me any post this season where I've whined about the need to make player acquisitions.




You just did.  Ignoring completely that Purpura has said he has been doing that very thing for weeks.  Other teams are looking to trade for hitters too.  I don't know that you've noticed, but some GMs, on other teams, have mentioned how difficult it is to make a trade at this point.





Apparently he's also missed that Lane hasn't played every day since May.  Or even noticed Everett (if healthy) and Ausmus continue to play every day regardless of how they hit, oh I don't know, for at least the past 3 yrs or so, longer for Ausmus obviously.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Arky Vaughan on June 28, 2006, 01:23:36 pm
The Link

"on a related note, the Astros can get to the playoffs, but TP must find a hitter or two. i just know that standing pat looks futile to me."

The Link

"But if I were Purpura, I would be looking very hard for at least one more hitter, maybe two."
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 28, 2006, 01:24:36 pm
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And I don't think that I am imagining that there have been more wild pitches this year with him catching than ever before.




And how does this apply to Ausmus?
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: toddthebod on June 28, 2006, 01:25:12 pm
Major.  Are you referring to my post?  Where did I talk about Lane or Everett?  Why don't you read a fucking post before you open your piehole.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on June 28, 2006, 01:28:48 pm
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Major.  Are you referring to my post?  Where did I talk about Lane or Everett?  Why don't you read a fucking post before you open your piehole.




My bad.  Based on content, I failed to differentiate between your post and Dobro...
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: ASTROCREEP on June 28, 2006, 01:51:04 pm
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Wah Wah Wah.  Shut the fuck up Pravata.  

Everyone knows that Purpura is looking for a hitter -- so that means that we can't talk about it??????

As for Ausmus, I wasn't blaming Ausmus for last night's loss.  But since you bring it up, Ausmus is now 0 for his last 27!!!  Mindboggling.  Ausmus is batting .155 in June.  And while he might call a great game, teams are learning that they can run at will on the Astros and the blame for this does not rest entirely with the pitchers.  And I don't think that I am imagining that there have been more wild pitches this year with him catching than ever before.





Talk about it?  Sure.  Whine about it? Boring.  You have far more interest in your "imagination" than following the Astros. Purpura has since he took over as GM explained in detail his strategy towards trades.  No one has "run at will" on the Astros. Have teams "run at will" on Estrada? On Schneider?





Could you please give me a brief summery of Purpuras "strategy"?

It seems like Draytons "strategy" and TP's strategy are NOT
in line.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: pravata on June 28, 2006, 02:00:34 pm
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Wah Wah Wah.  Shut the fuck up Pravata.  

Everyone knows that Purpura is looking for a hitter -- so that means that we can't talk about it??????

As for Ausmus, I wasn't blaming Ausmus for last night's loss.  But since you bring it up, Ausmus is now 0 for his last 27!!!  Mindboggling.  Ausmus is batting .155 in June.  And while he might call a great game, teams are learning that they can run at will on the Astros and the blame for this does not rest entirely with the pitchers.  And I don't think that I am imagining that there have been more wild pitches this year with him catching than ever before.





Talk about it?  Sure.  Whine about it? Boring.  You have far more interest in your "imagination" than following the Astros. Purpura has since he took over as GM explained in detail his strategy towards trades.  No one has "run at will" on the Astros. Have teams "run at will" on Estrada? On Schneider?




Could you please give me a brief summery of Purpuras "strategy"?

It seems like Draytons "strategy" and TP's strategy are NOT
in line.




Search "Purpura" in NYCU.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: otterj on June 28, 2006, 02:17:55 pm
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The Link

"on a related note, the Astros can get to the playoffs, but TP must find a hitter or two. i just know that standing pat looks futile to me."

The Link

"But if I were Purpura, I would be looking very hard for at least one more hitter, maybe two."





Pots, kettles, and semantics...???
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: austro on June 28, 2006, 02:38:34 pm
I wonder if the organization is losing patience with Ensberg, and if 3B might not be a place where they decide it's time for a change.  I don't imagine that would happen before next winter, but last winter when we would go down the lineup and ask "what could you realistically change?", Ensberg wasn't one of the candidates.  Maybe this year he is.

Not that I have any idea who would replace him.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Astroholic on June 28, 2006, 02:49:56 pm
After his every at bat stance change in last years WS, I am not so sure he was not on 'the list'.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: hostros7 on June 28, 2006, 03:08:31 pm
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I wonder if the organization is losing patience with Ensberg, and if 3B might not be a place where they decide it's time for a change.  I don't imagine that would happen before next winter, but last winter when we would go down the lineup and ask "what could you realistically change?", Ensberg wasn't one of the candidates.  Maybe this year he is.

Not that I have any idea who would replace him.





Not the answer.  For a couple reasons.  First, you never sell low and buy high.  Second, a lot of players are struggling, at least Ensberg has more potential to do something right compared to those others...a very empty half full glass but half full nonetheless.

Maybe moving him down in the order is a more realistic short term adjustment
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Jacksonian on June 28, 2006, 03:21:11 pm
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I wonder if the organization is losing patience with Ensberg, and if 3B might not be a place where they decide it's time for a change.  I don't imagine that would happen before next winter, but last winter when we would go down the lineup and ask "what could you realistically change?", Ensberg wasn't one of the candidates.  Maybe this year he is.

Not that I have any idea who would replace him.





Not the answer.  For a couple reasons.  First, you never sell low and buy high.  Second, a lot of players are struggling, at least Ensberg has more potential to do something right compared to those others...a very empty half full glass but half full nonetheless.

Maybe moving him down in the order is a more realistic short term adjustment





The biggest adjustment he needs is to get and stay healthy.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Astroholic on June 28, 2006, 03:21:25 pm
So if you never sell low and buy high and the other guy never sells low and buys high, how does anyone get traded.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: tophfar on June 28, 2006, 03:41:35 pm
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So if you never sell low and buy high and the other guy never sells low and buys high, how does anyone get traded.




GM's differing views on whether a players performance is on the high or low end.
Title: Re: Bucknor in the 7th
Post by: Astroholic on June 28, 2006, 03:53:50 pm
Exactly, so some GM's out there might think Morgan is having a bad year and he might be getting a great deal, so they trade someone that the astros think is having a bad year and might be a great deal.  Win some/lose some, but at some point a change might help both players/teams.  I just don't think it is as simple as 'sell low/buy high', especially in baseball where there are so many variables (it is not easy to do in the stock market either)