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Title: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: DVauthrin on January 03, 2006, 03:55:21 pm
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Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: OldBlevins on January 03, 2006, 03:58:09 pm
Which again raises the question:  What position will he play?
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: lc_db on January 03, 2006, 03:59:03 pm
Sweet...  His Cajun cooking show is a hoot.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Taras Bulba on January 03, 2006, 04:01:29 pm
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Sweet...  His Cajun cooking show is a hoot.




I gah-run-tee.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: DVauthrin on January 03, 2006, 04:03:52 pm
Right now, I'm thinking the team looks at him as a LF because they have to see Bagwell in ST and what he can do.   If Bags is unsuccessful, Wilson is the full time LF.  If Bags is successful, Wilson could be an option in any of the outfield spots, and Bagwell will need plenty of rest on his shoulder anyways.   It also opens up trade possibilities for Lane/Taveras because Wilson can play any outfield spot.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: BudGirl on January 03, 2006, 04:06:14 pm
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Right now, I'm thinking the team looks at him as a LF because they have to see Bagwell in ST and what he can do.   If Bags is unsuccessful, Wilson is the full time LF.  If Bags is successful, Wilson could be an option in any of the outfield spots, and Bagwell will need plenty of rest on his shoulder anyways.   It also opens up trade possibilities for Lane/Taveras because Wilson can play any outfield spot.




Don't forget to add Burke in the trade possibilities.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: DVauthrin on January 03, 2006, 04:15:51 pm
True, I had just considered Burke already a trade possibility before this move(if it gets finalized of course)
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: cc on January 03, 2006, 04:26:22 pm
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See, Roger, they got themselves a bat, just like you hoped.  Impressed?  Ready to come back now?
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Tralfaz on January 03, 2006, 05:11:57 pm
I thought the Astros were trying to avoid one year/rent a player deals?  Maybe there's will be a team option attached.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: strobum on January 03, 2006, 05:26:51 pm
Looking at his career numbers, age, park effects, etc., I think it's reasonable to expect a BA between .260 and .270, 25-30 HR's, and an OPS in the .790 to .820 range. Sure, he'll strike out about 140 times, but barring injury, he should be a nice addition.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: pravata on January 03, 2006, 05:30:23 pm
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I thought the Astros were trying to avoid one year/rent a player deals?  Maybe there's will be a team option attached.




The Chron article says 1 year, Purpura says there are "details".  An option could be a detail.  We'll have to wait for the announcement to know.

"Could we have made trades by now?" Purpura said. "Sure, we could. I'm not certain they'd help us long term."  

Purpura may have been limiting that restriction to trades, and not to FA signings.  However, if Wilson causes dominos to fall (Taveras, Lane traded, as speculated here, or maybe just benched) then the effect is the same.  Course it depends on who they are able to get in those trades.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: DVauthrin on January 03, 2006, 05:44:01 pm
It's easier to convince yourself to sign a short term solution than to trade for something short term, mainly because the free agent does not come with subtraction of talent from the organization.   Provided everything goes smoothly from here on out regarding Wilson, you have accomplished a few things:

A) Upgraded the offense, without sacrificing talent
B) Acquired at minimum, an excellent Bagwell contingency plan, and Wilson has the added bonus of being able to play all three outfield spots.
C) Because of Wilson's versatility, the Astros can feel more comfortable about potential trade offers with Taveras/Lane/Burke included.  
D) Maintained payroll flexibility(to pursue potential replacements/upgrades) in future seasons when major contracts(Bagwell and Pettitte come to mind mainly, and Biggio's 4 mil dollar contract to a lesser extent) come off the books.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Tralfaz on January 03, 2006, 05:48:08 pm
Yahoo player profiles suggesting the one year option

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Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: OldBlevins on January 03, 2006, 06:15:01 pm
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Yahoo player profiles suggesting the one year option

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What if you and Pravata are the "sources?"
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Froback on January 03, 2006, 06:24:14 pm
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Yahoo player profiles suggesting the one year option

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What if you and Pravata are the "sources?"





Then Yahoo has upgraded their sources from Sandberg.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: David in Jackson on January 03, 2006, 06:27:44 pm
Press conf. in a few minutes:
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Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: OldBlevins on January 03, 2006, 06:47:12 pm
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Yahoo player profiles suggesting the one year option

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What if you and Pravata are the "sources?"




Then Yahoo has upgraded their sources from Sandberg.




Carl or Ryne?
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: homer on January 03, 2006, 06:57:19 pm
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Yahoo player profiles suggesting the one year option

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What if you and Pravata are the "sources?"




Then Yahoo has upgraded their sources from Sandberg.




Carl or Ryne?




Cindy
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: bubba on January 03, 2006, 07:13:00 pm
Not only that , but he's b-l-a-c-k.  Does that Neck Drayton know about this yet?  If not, this surely won't go over well.  Not well at all.  Exciting though.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: DVauthrin on January 03, 2006, 07:14:00 pm
Purpura said it was an extended option with the possibility of it being a 3 year contract.

Update: contract could be total of 4 years.  Club Option after this year, to pick up the remaining 3 years of the deal.   Unique contract if you ask me.   But I'm happy with the move.

Purpura wouldn't nail down a set position on Preston, and Purpura said that Preston's reputation around the league is that of a great clubhouse guy/teammate.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: EmirOfSchmoe on January 03, 2006, 07:38:15 pm
Wish he was a left handed bat though, but good to have him.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Fredia on January 03, 2006, 07:57:21 pm
sounds like a win win. the club house among the astros seems to be pretty mello.. wow now those na sayers can be told to shut up there is a deal
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: No? in Austin on January 03, 2006, 08:54:39 pm
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Not only that , but he's b-l-a-c-k.  Does that Neck Drayton know about this yet?  If not, this surely won't go over well.  Not well at all.  Exciting though.




And Jose De Ortiz and John Q. Lopez fainted from the thought of having to make up other subjects of race or ethnicity to fire at the Astros organization.

Next up... the lack of Samoans on the team... coming soon to the Comical near you.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on January 03, 2006, 09:42:39 pm
I know Biggio never blamed Wilson for tearing up his knee, but I did. Oh well, have to get over it now.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: No? in Austin on January 03, 2006, 10:10:34 pm
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I know Biggio never blamed Wilson for tearing up his knee, but I did. Oh well, have to get over it now.




Good point.  I remember Biggio saying that he thought that Wilson was playing the game "right" (or "the way it is supposed to be played") and that he never thought that Preston was being vicious or dirty. I also remember Preston Wilson having a deep respect for Biggio's attitude about it all as well.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Tralfaz on January 04, 2006, 01:26:57 am
Anyone have a link to video of the press conference?  All I can find is audio only.  Good day for the club.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on January 04, 2006, 07:36:44 am
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Wilson is the stepson and nephew of Mookie Wilson, who played for the New York Mets and attended Tuesday's announcement at Minute Maid Park.  





Huh?!?!?! I'm confused, did Mookie marry his brother's ex-wife or somethning?
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Houston on January 04, 2006, 08:42:47 am
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Wilson is the stepson and nephew of Mookie Wilson, who played for the New York Mets and attended Tuesday's announcement at Minute Maid Park.  





Huh?!?!?! I'm confused, did Mookie marry his brother's ex-wife or somethning?





Shhh... they are from South Carolina. Those kind of things aren't discussed in public!   Let's just say, some family trees don't have a lot of branches, if you know what I'm saying.

All kidding aside, I'm glad to have Preston Wilson on the team. If he could just get his walks up to 50-60 and continue to hit for power, I'll gladly overlook the K's.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: David in Jackson on January 04, 2006, 09:51:51 am
Didn't we just sign Preston Wilson to a 1-year deal for the same amount that the Pirates just signed Joe Randa?  Sweet.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on January 04, 2006, 10:59:36 am
Okay, someone help me out here.  Didn't Ortiz make a big stink about the lack of minorities in the Astros organization?

Well, consider race, if you  must!!

read further down... talk about heavy handed...
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: MusicMan on January 04, 2006, 11:28:42 am
The Comical spewed forth:
 
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  Focus, if you must, on Preston Wilson's race...




This after half the column focuses on exactly that.   Good God, that paper is a joke.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: cc on January 04, 2006, 11:36:22 am
Our first American Negro in years.  I'm all giddy.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: pravata on January 04, 2006, 11:42:50 am
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Not only that , but he's b-l-a-c-k.  Does that Neck Drayton know about this yet?  If not, this surely won't go over well.  Not well at all.  Exciting though.




And Jose De Ortiz and John Q. Lopez fainted from the thought of having to make up other subjects of race or ethnicity to fire at the Astros organization.

Next up... the lack of Samoans on the team... coming soon to the Comical near you.





Ortiz at least still has his eye on the ball, "...I will tell you that I'd stack up the Astros' front office with almost any in the majors as far as diversity improvements since general manager Tim Purpura took over on Nov. 1, 2004." The Link
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: the KEG on January 04, 2006, 12:35:29 pm
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Our first American Negro in years.  I'm all giddy.




Wait... aren't you forgetting the 9 games Darren Oliver appeared in for us in '04??  I thought that had us set for the next 10 years or so.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on January 04, 2006, 12:42:13 pm
Back to the topic of baseball, any one want to venture a guess  at who or what position Purpura targets next?  I'm reading rumors of Houston having interest in Ryan Franklyn.  I'm not making any bets on that deal but a starting pitcher seems likely.  I believe Purpura even mentioned Pitching as the next priority, although he mentioned only relievers.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Navin R Johnson on January 04, 2006, 02:58:05 pm
 
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Our first American Negro in years. I'm all giddy.
 





Well, to tell the family secret, Preston's grandmother was Dutch.

either way, As chairman of the welcoming committee, it's a pleasure to present a Laurel and Hardy handshake to our new.... outfielder.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Arky Vaughan on January 06, 2006, 11:35:26 am
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I thought the Astros were trying to avoid one year/rent a player deals?  Maybe there's will be a team option attached.




Rent-a-player is when you have to trade away young talent to acquire a guy for a year or part thereof.  A free-agent signing is different.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: pravata on January 06, 2006, 11:53:54 am
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I thought the Astros were trying to avoid one year/rent a player deals?  Maybe there's will be a team option attached.




Rent-a-player is when you have to trade away young talent to acquire a guy for a year or part thereof.  A free-agent signing is different.





With Wilson's contract, the three year option or half million buy out after this season, this is more like audition-a-player.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Reuben on January 06, 2006, 12:57:12 pm
Still, what a bizarre option. Even if Wilson matches his best season, I can't see the 'Stros commiting themselves for another 3 years at double his current salary. And I don't see Wilson suddenly becoming a .300/.380/.530 hitter.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Bench on January 06, 2006, 01:04:54 pm
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Still, what a bizarre option. Even if Wilson matches his best season, I can't see the 'Stros commiting themselves for another 3 years at double his current salary. And I don't see Wilson suddenly becoming a .300/.380/.530 hitter.




It's hard to find a free agent .300/.380/.530 hitter for $7m per. If he's just a productive bat in the heart of the lineup, he's a bargain at 4/$28m.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: Reuben on January 06, 2006, 01:35:23 pm
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Still, what a bizarre option. Even if Wilson matches his best season, I can't see the 'Stros commiting themselves for another 3 years at double his current salary. And I don't see Wilson suddenly becoming a .300/.380/.530 hitter.




It's hard to find a free agent .300/.380/.530 hitter for $7m per. If he's just a productive bat in the heart of the lineup, he's a bargain at 4/$28m.





Well, right, that's hard to find (although the option is $8m per, no?); what I mean is, at 31, he is very unlikely to have a performance better than .275/.340/.520. He is a very good gamble at $4m, IMO, but I can't see them exercising that option on a guy his age with knee problems, even if he makes it through this year with no DL time. Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Astros reach tentative agreement with Wilson
Post by: CJM on January 06, 2006, 04:19:56 pm
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I can't see them exercising that option on a guy his age with knee problems, even if he makes it through this year with no DL time. Maybe I'm wrong.




And how many other times has Wilson been injured?  It's not like this guy is another Griffey, Jr. when it comes to health.