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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 01, 2019, 09:27:32 am
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Ben Lindberg of The Ringer makes the argument that it is the Astros. (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/11/1/20942803/team-of-the-decade-2010s-houston-astros-boston-red-sox-chicago-cubs-san-francisco-giants)
In their final form, the Astros surpassed every other collection of talent assembled since 2010, if not since baseball began. Their extreme rebuild set the tone for the teens, providing proof of concept for a model that spread not just within baseball, but to other sports. Between tanking and data-driven development, they were the earliest and most aggressive adopters of this era’s most momentous disruptions in roster construction. As a result, they’re the franchise that every team was or is trying to emulate, and—here’s the historian’s perspective, not the fan’s—the one that will likely seem most synonymous with this moment when we look back in later years.
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Ben Lindberg of The Ringer makes the argument that it is the Astros. (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/11/1/20942803/team-of-the-decade-2010s-houston-astros-boston-red-sox-chicago-cubs-san-francisco-giants)
Fuck that guy.
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Ben Lindberg of The Ringer makes the argument that it is the Astros. (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/11/1/20942803/team-of-the-decade-2010s-houston-astros-boston-red-sox-chicago-cubs-san-francisco-giants)
It has to be the SF Giants. 3 WS wins.
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Yeah, fuck all of this. Nice, maybe, but to me, WS wins are what matters.
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Purely a not so academic exercise in words. I agree, how can it not be the Giants? WS wins are what counts.
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It is probably the administrative player personnel model for the decade going forward, until that model is deemed wanting for lack of revenue from teams which cannot field a team built that way, or lack of competitive teams in future series. This should be based on victories, and SF or Boston have those.
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It has to be the SF Giants. 3 WS wins.
The SF Chronicle agrees
https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/shea/article/Why-A-J-Hinch-is-no-Bruce-Bochy-and-Giants-are-14679120.php
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It has to be the SF Giants. 3 WS wins.
I lived out there for the first two. Bochy was the best manager in baseball for a long time and it wasn't even close. And Bryan Sabean was a masterful assembler of talent. But it was Bochy, because, if you remember those teams, they weren't world-beaters like the Astros were this year. They were a marginally good team that peaked at the right time. Bochy was masterful.
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A perspective from ESPN: Astros a great team that fell short of true greatness (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27972114/houston-astros-great-team-fell-short-true-greatness)
Three stats pop up:
....They won 117 games between the regular season and playoffs. Their run differential during the regular season (plus-280) was the 12th-best total of all time.
....The 2019 postseason was a relatively slow roll for the Astros. They were outscored by their opponents 72-71.
....Houston entered the fray as the favorite and exited it as a near miss, but at no time during its sojourn did the outcome feel like a foregone conclusion.
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A perspective from ESPN: Astros a great team that fell short of true greatness (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27972114/houston-astros-great-team-fell-short-true-greatness)
Three stats pop up:
After reading Hinch’s thoughts in The Athletic (posted elsewhere), the “what if” scenarios posed by ESPN don’t have any bearing on the current franchise’s standing. This is the same franchise which lost 100 games in three consecutive seasons; does that count in the decade’s ranking? Houston employed a player acquisition model utilized by the NBA, which realizes faster returns on investment. Small market teams cannot do this, nor can most mid-market teams.
The Orioles had superteams from 1969 to 1971, and one championship. Oakland had three in a row. That’s what matters.
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These things carry as much weight with me as regular season "power rankings".
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These things carry as much weight with me as regular season "power rankings".
Agree completely. Totally fucking meaningless.
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These things carry as much weight with me as regular season "power rankings".
Bingo.
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Decades are an arbitrary cutoff anyway.
From the ashes, my 12-year-old said to me yesterday, after being miserable for a couple of days, "I was really feeling bad about losing. But I still think this team can win 100 games again and go back to the World Series."
They hit in the 2017 playoffs, they didn't hit in the 2019 playoffs. Let's see what 2020 brings.