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Pretty good start by Anibal Sanchez. Nat lead 1-0 after 6.
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Nats have some very good pitching.
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I guess anymore Andrew Miller is just a one out lefty guy.
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2-0 now. Cards have to be getting a little bit worried.
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2-0 now. Cards have to be getting a little bit worried.
And it is 42f or 6c for Aussie Astro.
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Thru 7 for Sanchez.
Strong performance thus far.
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2-0 now. Cards have to be getting a little bit worried.
Sanchez has a no hitter through seven....
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Holy crap, what a catch by Zimmerman.
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Zimmerman with a major league play on that line drive!
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Quite a play by Zimmerman.
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Martinez is the Venezuelan version of Pence at bat.
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Damn. Broken up with two outs in the 8th.
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Heck of a performance.
Of course this being baseball, now the tying run is at the plate.
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I don’t know about his stats, but I remember Martinez as a tough out from the few games against the Astros.
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Homeboy Anthony Rendon is a hell of a ballplayer.
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Another IBB, this time to Hendrick....
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Did you notice they let their pitchers bat? What was up with that?
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Did you notice they let their pitchers bat? What was up with that?
Egalitarian League
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Did you notice they let their pitchers bat? What was up with that?
They self-identify as hitters.
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They self-identify as hitters.
Well played, sir.
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Nats surprising everyone. Now lead the NLCS 2-0 and headed back to D.C.
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I am not surprised in the least that they're beating the Cards. Are people surprised? I can't believe the Cards are there.
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Jomboy breaks down the Soto shuffle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7b9JzZHz00)
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I hate to see the Coards getting stomped. It hurts me inside.
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I hate to see the Expos in Washington DC.
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Jomboy breaks down the Soto shuffle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7b9JzZHz00)
I haven't laughed that hard in a long, long time.
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Strasburg has been superb tonight. One measly run through seven innings.
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Nats have been an absolute wrecking crew with two outs.
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Strasburg has been superb tonight. One measly run through seven innings.
They wouldn't even have that run if Soto were a half-way competent outfielder.
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They wouldn't even have that run if Soto were a half-way competent outfielder.
Both coards runs in the series (let that sink in a bit) have been on Nats OF’er miscues. St. Louis has earned zero runs in the series.
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The Cardinals radio PBP guy Mike Shannon might...I repeat MIGHT...give nadir Milo a run for his money in terms of mispronouncy and incoherent commentary.
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Cards off to another fine start.
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The Cardinals radio PBP guy Mike Shannon might...I repeat MIGHT...give nadir Milo a run for his money in terms of mispronouncy and incoherent commentary.
I liked listening to Shannon when I lived in St Louis, he really does know baseball. He used to drink a lot of "cool frosty ones" during the game and his speech would noticeably get more and more slurred as the game wore on. I imagine now he starts out slurring.
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disaster couldn't be a more fitting description of the Co-ard implosion.
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Wow. Wheels completely falling off for the Cards.
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Braves fans watching this must be feeling a very peculiar form of schaudenfreud right now.
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Cards employee the Keysrtone Cops outfield defense. Wong needed to let Martinez take that and not get in his way.
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Cards are getting dangerously close to a postseason 1st-inning run differential of zero, which would have seemed impossible an hour ago.
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7 runs, 18 pitches.
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Genius idea to have this game in prime time.
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Genius idea to have this game in prime time.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna find something else to watch. Any Netflix or Amazon Prime suggestions?
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My wife is watching The Voice.
It's in the battle rounds which are pretty entertaining.
Oh, and isn't there a Democratic debate on tonight?
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I decided to watch El Camino - A Breaking Bad Movie on Netflix.
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I’m listening to John Coltrane on my turntable.
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I’m listening to John Coltrane on my turntable.
What album?
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I’m listening to John Coltrane on my turntable.
Which?
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Dagnabbit.
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The Nats will have 7 days off. Interesting management challenge for them.
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I’m listening to John Coltrane on my turntable.
I've got him going on my reel to reel. Mix tape with cuts from Giant Steps, some of his early Prestige stuff, and A Love Supreme. It's mixed in with some other post-bop / hard bop along with some Miles.
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Dagnabbit.
I listened to Kind of Blue the other day and was really digging Coltrane’s solo on So What. I need to listen to more Coltrane.
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What album?
A Love Supreme. But I’m breaking out the record he did in 1963 with Johnny Hartman. I love Hartman’s voice.
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Patrick Corbin has 10 K’s of hapless Cards thru 4 innings.
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I listened to Kind of Blue the other day and was really digging Coltrane’s solo on So What. I need to listen to more Coltrane.
That whole record is incredible. In the top five greatest of all time in any genre.
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I like to give Hudson a hard time for being a goon because, well, obviously, but this is the second record he and I are in 100% agreeance on. Kind of Blue is ludicrous. To me it’s jazz in the same way that Bob Marley is reggae. Sure, it’s jazz. But it’s so, so much more.
Anything Miles did on Columbia I’m all in on (and that’s a lot), and anything Coltrane did with McCoy Tyner I am all in on. I don’t know offhand if any of his Impulse records didn’t feature McCoy. I think they overlap pretty significantly.
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The Coltrane album I listen to the most is the one he did with Ellington mainly because its sort of a loose thing you can listen to while doing the dishes. Coltrane figured something out in the early 60s and I'm glad he recorded it for us.
I like Davis's playing on his 50s non-Columbia albums probably the best and he had some great bands then, too.
Congrats to the Nats, too! Haven't seen as such a one-sided championship series in a long time.
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Congrats to the Nats, too! Haven't seen as such a one-sided championship series in a long time.
This postseason has done a very good job of separating the wanna-be's from the great teams.
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I like to give Hudson a hard time for being a goon because, well, obviously, but this is the second record he and I are in 100% agreeance on. Kind of Blue is ludicrous. To me it’s jazz in the same way that Bob Marley is reggae. Sure, it’s jazz. But it’s so, so much more.
I'm assuming the other one is London Calling?
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I'm assuming the other one is London Calling?
The title track is a hyperbolic take on the hysterical overreaction of the news media of the time.
It was released in 1979...
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That whole record is incredible. In the top five greatest of all time in any genre.
Co-signed.
A while back, most of my friends were of the insufferable hipster variety and music discussion wasn't much more than a dumb contest over who could dig up and "appreciate" the most inaccessible (they called it "challenging") and hard-to-find music. Around that time, I started listening to jazz and fell hard for Kind of Blue, with "Time Out" by The Dave Brubeck Quartet coming in a close second. And for a long while, I kept my opinions on those records to myself, practically ashamed that my favorite albums were literally two of the best-selling jazz albums of all time. When I finally mentioned that I liked Kind of Blue to a jazz aficionado, I did it timidly, fully expecting him to put a snobby nose in the air and make a sarcastic comment. But he took it so in stride that I was taken aback: "of course you like it, it's one of the best records ever made." Somehow, it hadn't occurred to me before that moment that great music could also be commercially successful and well-loved by lots of people.
I don't hang out with those hipster friends anymore, but I still listen to Kind of Blue on the regular. I'm more than happy with that trade-off.
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I'm assuming the other one is London Calling?
Of course.
It's funny, Limey references the title track, which is the only song on the record I don't particularly like. I mean, I listen to it, obviously. It's a strident introduction to a work of total genius. But it's the weakest song on the record to me, by far. And it's widely considered a classic song, if that gives any doubters an idea of how ridiculous the entire record is.
What are your other three? I don't know what mine are, really. They might change any time. But I'm pretty sure Loveless by My Bloody Valentine would be one of them any day you asked.
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And I should say that Ellington's catalog is crazy. I know pieces of it, and some small slices I know quite well. But it is a lifetime's commitment to try to understand just what a genius that guy was, and I don't know that I have that kind of time.
But you can pretty much dive in wherever and be immediately rewarded.
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And I should say that Ellington's catalog is crazy. I know pieces of it, and some small slices I know quite well. But it is a lifetime's commitment to try to understand just what a genius that guy was, and I don't know that I have that kind of time.
But you can pretty much dive in wherever and be immediately rewarded.
Duke was a god.
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I was just a 13 year old knuckle-head when my brother brought home Hot Rats by Frank Zappa. I listened to that record and my whole outlook on music change forever. "Peaches en Regalia"really opened my ears to instrumental orchestrations beyond the typical rock and roll or pop music structure. I listened to that album everyday after school for months. I was talking about Zappa with my uncle (the guy introduced me to trumpet) a little later and he told me if I like that, I should check out Miles Davis' new album Bitches Brew.
So my first real introduction listening to Miles came in 1970. It wasn't until several years later, during the fusion boom of the 70s, that I started checking out his back catalog, and really getting into Jazz in general. So for me, I have always considered Bitches Brew his benchmark album. Everything that came before served to inform what he communicated with Bitches Brew and everything after was an extention of what he explored with Bitched Brew.
Kind of Blue is an all time great record and I love it, but Bitches Brew is always gonna be my favorite Mile Davis record. Also I totally and completely agree with chuck's comments about Bob Marley. I still listen to Marley often but don't really follow reggae music much currently.
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For me, everything went downhill after baby I'ma Want You by Bread.
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Sometime in the '90s I was in NYC for a weekend on a business trip. That Saturday, a beautiful day, I had no plans and started walking from the Marriot Marquise in Times Square. Eventually worked my way down to Greenwich Village and passed the Village Vanguard. Hallowed ground.
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Co-signed.
A while back, most of my friends were of the insufferable hipster variety and music discussion wasn't much more than a dumb contest over who could dig up and "appreciate" the most inaccessible (they called it "challenging") and hard-to-find music. Around that time, I started listening to jazz and fell hard for Kind of Blue, with "Time Out" by The Dave Brubeck Quartet coming in a close second. And for a long while, I kept my opinions on those records to myself, practically ashamed that my favorite albums were literally two of the best-selling jazz albums of all time. When I finally mentioned that I liked Kind of Blue to a jazz aficionado, I did it timidly, fully expecting him to put a snobby nose in the air and make a sarcastic comment. But he took it so in stride that I was taken aback: "of course you like it, it's one of the best records ever made." Somehow, it hadn't occurred to me before that moment that great music could also be commercially successful and well-loved by lots of people.
I don't hang out with those hipster friends anymore, but I still listen to Kind of Blue on the regular. I'm more than happy with that trade-off.
This inspired me to dig it out of the vinyl collection. Listening now, with Mingus and Art Blakey in queue.
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This inspired me to dig it out of the vinyl collection. Listening now, with Mingus and Art Blakey in queue.
that was a great post from AstroAndy.
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Speaking of vinyl...there is also the famous concert at Massey Hall in Toronto in May of 1953. It features "The Quintet" of Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Bud Powell, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach. The original release was a single LP titled Jazz at Massey Hall. There was an extended 2-LP release in 1973 subtitled The Greatest Jazz Concert Ever, and it's widely regarded as just that. I have the latter, an original pressing from 1973. It's also one of my favorite records.
The story behind this concert is interesting too. It took place at the same night as the highly anticipated heavyweight title rematch between Rocky Marciano and Jersey Joe Wolcott, and almost no one showed up to this concert. In fact, the gate was so small, that the producers were unable to pay the musicians themselves at the time. Gillespie said he eventually got paid many years later.
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Of course.
It's funny, Limey references the title track, which is the only song on the record I don't particularly like. I mean, I listen to it, obviously. It's a strident introduction to a work of total genius. But it's the weakest song on the record to me, by far. And it's widely considered a classic song, if that gives any doubters an idea of how ridiculous the entire record is.
What are your other three? I don't know what mine are, really. They might change any time. But I'm pretty sure Loveless by My Bloody Valentine would be one of them any day you asked.
I don't know. I like London Calling, but to my taste, there are a lot of weak songs on the album to make it a top 5. Should have been a single album. Lost in the Supermarket is such an overrated song. And Jimmy Jazz? Lover's Rock? Meh.
Clampdown, Guns of Brixton, Death or Glory, Rudie Can't Fail, Hateful, Train in Vain, London Calling -- beyond amazing.
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Years ago I posted something on here about the albums I gave my daughter to take to college. I can't remember what they were, but almost certainly John Coltrane's My Favorite Things because that was the first jazz albums I loved, Layla, and Revolver. Probably Kind of Blue and London Calling. Maybe the second Springsteen album, or maybe Blue by Joni Mitchell. Probably not the Bach Cello Suites which was a big omission. Maybe some French solo piano music or some Gershwin.
I doubt if she ever listened to any of them. I doubt if the list would be the same today.
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I don't know. I like London Calling, but to my taste, there are a lot of weak songs on the album to make it a top 5. Should have been a single album. Lost in the Supermarket is such an overrated song. And Jimmy Jazz? Lover's Rock? Meh.
Well, I love both of those songs. Lost in the Supermarket is not my favorite song in the world, but it has a role to play on the record and I think it does what it needs to do perfectly.
Of course, I'm someone who rejects out of hand the idea that Sandinista! should have been shortened.
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Of course, I'm someone who rejects out of hand the idea that Sandinista! should have been shortened.
I love it when people with no input into the creative process of an album call songs, "filler."
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Speaking of vinyl...there is also the famous concert at Massey Hall in Toronto in May of 1953. It features "The Quintet" of Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Bud Powell, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach. The original release was a single LP titled Jazz at Massey Hall. There was an extended 2-LP release in 1973 subtitled The Greatest Jazz Concert Ever, and it's widely regarded as just that. I have the latter, an original pressing from 1973. It's also one of my favorite records.
The story behind this concert is interesting too. It took place at the same night as the highly anticipated heavyweight title rematch between Rocky Marciano and Jersey Joe Wolcott, and almost no one showed up to this concert. In fact, the gate was so small, that the producers were unable to pay the musicians themselves at the time. Gillespie said he eventually got paid many years later.
I've heard of this album but never looked into it. Original pressings seem to hover in the low hundreds. Would you recommend the ~$20 remaster from 2009?
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I've heard of this album but never looked into it. Original pressings seem to hover in the low hundreds. Would you recommend the ~$20 remaster from 2009?
I would definitely recommend getting some version of this, even if it's the 09 reissue. I got mine a number of years ago, and I knew they were pretty rare and sought after, but I didn't pay in the hundreds for it. You might try scouring the net and even local sources. Sometimes libraries and other non-profits will have records they are liquidating for cheap. I've gotten several that way. And I have lots of reissues. Nothing wrong with them IMO. They're typically not as valuable and collectible, but I'm a listener, not a collector anyway. I've never understood people who buy records and never take them out of the cellophane. Yes, they are pristine. And they sound as good as a rock in your driveway.
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I would definitely recommend getting some version of this, even if it's the 09 reissue. I got mine a number of years ago, and I knew they were pretty rare and sought after, but I didn't pay in the hundreds for it. You might try scouring the net and even local sources. Sometimes libraries and other non-profits will have records they are liquidating for cheap. I've gotten several that way. And I have lots of reissues. Nothing wrong with them IMO. They're typically not as valuable and collectible, but I'm a listener, not a collector anyway. I've never understood people who buy records and never take them out of the cellophane. Yes, they are pristine. And they sound as good as a rock in your driveway.
Yeah, I'm not really concerned about the collectibility, etc. I just want a good representation. The reviews on the remaster are good so I'll dive in.
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Yeah, I'm not really concerned about the collectibility, etc. I just want a good representation. The reviews on the remaster are good so I'll dive in.
The thing I've found about live albums is that they often aren't the highest quality recording to begin with. The remastered versions are often better than the original pressings, especially if the originals are from the 1950s or earlier.
Another must have jazz record...Wes Montgomery's Smokin' at the Half Note. Just tremendous.
Which brings us back to chuck's question about my top 5. It's so hard to say, as my musical tastes have changed so much over the years, at least the styles I enjoy listening to. When I was a kid, I was, like my dad, a huge Johnny Cash fan. I didn't know there was anything else out there. As I got a little older, the Southern Rock thing was in full bloom, and especially in Florida where Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Johnny Winter, etc were kings. In high school, every one was into the current sounds at the time, so I drifted over to the progressive stuff...was a huge fan of early Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, ELP, etc. Though there a few bands from that day that I was, and still am, hugely fond of, including the Clash, Talking Heads, and Elvis Costello. I went through a prog metal phase, and still think Dream Theater was the best thing to come out of the 90s. Their masterpiece, Scenes From a Memory, is up there on my list. All the while, there was the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, It's really hard to nail something down.
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If yall can't agree on "Modern Sounds in County and Western Music" or "Red Headed Stranger" then there's, well there's just no help for you
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I still believe Who's Next is the greatest rock album ever made.
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I still believe Who's Next is the greatest rock album ever made.
Led Zeppelin IV
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Well, I love both of those songs. Lost in the Supermarket is not my favorite song in the world, but it has a role to play on the record and I think it does what it needs to do perfectly.
Of course, I'm someone who rejects out of hand the idea that Sandinista! should have been shortened.
And that's why I said my taste. I hate when radio stations or magazines come out with their lists of the best songs/albums of all time. As if everyone likes the same music. I know a guy who thinks Lost in the Supermarket is the greatest Clash song ever. I don't get it. But that's what he likes. I'd rather listen to White Riot on endless loop.
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I still believe Who's Next is the greatest rock album ever made.
I was never a big Who fan. I like them fine, but they're not up there on my list. Of course, my favorite band of all time is Kansas, so you can figure out why chuck things I'm a goon.
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Of course, my favorite band of all time is Kansas, so you can figure out why chuck things I'm a goon.
I'd put their first 4 albums up against any other midwest progressive rock band from the mid-seventies.
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I'd put their first 4 albums up against any other midwest progressive rock band from the mid-seventies.
They're certainly better than Oklahoma and Nebraska.
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They're certainly better than Oklahoma and Nebraska.
I thought you had switched to a Springsteen for a second.
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I think I like Kansas better than Boston or Asia or America or Berlin or Alabama but not Chicago. Also if I were a Foreigner on a Journey to the Florida-Georgia line, I would never take an R.E.O. Speedwagon to get there.
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if I were a Foreigner on a Journey I would never take an R.E.O. Speedwagon to get there.
Be a Supertramp and ride the rails.
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Be a Supertramp and ride the rails.
You're bloody well right.
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I thought you had switched to a Springsteen for a second.
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Nebraska is a great record.
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I think I like Kansas better than Boston or Asia or America or Berlin or Alabama but not Chicago. Also if I were a Foreigner on a Journey to the Florida-Georgia line, I would never take an R.E.O. Speedwagon to get there.
A-ha! You’d take Cars!
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I think I like Kansas better than Boston or Asia or America or Berlin or Alabama but not Chicago. Also if I were a Foreigner on a Journey to the Florida-Georgia line, I would never take an R.E.O. Speedwagon to get there.
Every time I see "Florida-Georgia Line" I think of the Lynyrd Skynyrd song Four Walls of Raiford. Which is an awesome traditional delta blues tune.
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A-ha! You’d take Cars!
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Or the airplane out of Jefferson.
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I was never a big Who fan. I like them fine, but they're not up there on my list. Of course, my favorite band of all time is Kansas, so you can figure out why chuck things I'm a goon.
The Who played at my high school. Opened for The Buckinghams.
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Or the airplane out of Jefferson.
I’d like to thank Sphinx for the Genesis of this thread.
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Or the airplane out of Jefferson.
I got lost. Are we still following the Dire Straits to the Creedence Clearwater Revival?
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The Who played at my high school. Opened for The Buckinghams.
Must have been a really big high school.
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Must have been a really big high school.
About 2,500 students. Happened in 1967.
The concert definitely happened. The Rest Of The Story might be an urban legend: Supposedly, Pete Townsend carved his initials in the stage and the school had it repaired and deducted the cost from the band's pay.