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Title: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:12:42 pm
Semien leads off with a shiftfuck ground ball single
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:16:45 pm
1-0 As
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:17:27 pm
C'mon, Wade, buckle down here.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:18:15 pm
Shiftfuck single
Walk
Single
Shiftfuck single

2-0 As, runners at the corners, one out
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:18:17 pm
They're definitely hittin' 'em where they ain't.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:19:15 pm
3-0
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:20:39 pm
Feels like last week, except he got someone out this time.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:20:51 pm
Another shiftfuck single...bases loaded, one out

Bullpen action in the pen
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:21:03 pm
Maybe they shouldn't shift against these guys. Or at least not with Miley on the bump.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:22:34 pm
Is he tipping pitches? A flaw is in his delivery? Guys usually don't go from third in the league in ERA to eight runs over 1/3 of an inning in two outings.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:22:49 pm
4-0

Bases still loaded
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:23:42 pm
We've seen this movie before, and it wasn't enjoyable.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:23:45 pm
6-0
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:23:58 pm
This is fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:24:12 pm
And that’s it for Miley. Once again, can’t get out of the first inning.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:24:51 pm
And that’s it for Miley. Once again, can’t get out of the first inning.

One more question mark for Luhnow in the off-season.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:25:18 pm
Is he tipping pitches? A flaw is in his delivery? Guys usually don't go from third in the league in ERA to eight runs over 1/3 of an inning in two outings.

He’s just throwing puss. Soft contact and the shift killed him to start the i inning.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:25:47 pm
FIFY.

And that’s it for Miley. Once again, can’t get out of the first third of an inning.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:27:27 pm
More FIFY.

One more question mark for Luhnow Hinch in the off-season postseason.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:28:43 pm
7-0
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:30:07 pm
Have they hit anything hard?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:30:55 pm
Finally the inning is over. But the As jump out to a 7-0 lead. Astros coming to bat
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:31:19 pm
Have they hit anything hard?

Several balls hit hard.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:32:27 pm
Last two starts, Miley has gone 0.1 innings and given up 12 runs.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:34:23 pm
Will need a minimum of 26 outs from the pen, the day before a scheduled “bullpen day”
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:35:08 pm
Springer Dinger!
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Jacksonian on September 10, 2019, 07:35:19 pm
Maybe they shouldn't shift against these guys. Or at least not with Miley on the bump.

Wasn't a problem for most of the season.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: austro on September 10, 2019, 07:35:41 pm
Will need a minimum of 26 outs from the pen, the day before a scheduled “bullpen day”

Tomorrow's bullpen day just became a Framber day. I hope he's up to it.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:35:52 pm
Time to start chipping away again.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:36:43 pm
Wasn't a problem for most of the season.

Yup. Seeing-eye singles see past non-shifts too.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:39:42 pm
After 1...7-1 As
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:45:12 pm
9-1
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 07:47:41 pm
In 14 at bats the As hav 10 hits.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Arky Vaughan on September 10, 2019, 07:52:32 pm
Is it too early to bring in a position player?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 07:57:13 pm
Detroit 10-8 over NY in the 6th.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Lefty on September 10, 2019, 08:04:52 pm
I believe this is called a Reality Check
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:15:05 pm
11-1

Every A’s hitter has a hit, and only one has not scored. Josh Reddick has yet to come to the plate for the Astros.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 08:17:47 pm
I believe this is called a Reality Check

Sometimes you're the windshield,  sometimes you're the bug.
Title: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: geezerdonk on September 10, 2019, 08:18:04 pm
Really impressive counter punch by the A's. They are a team to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:24:22 pm
Springer Dinger, The Sequel

11-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 10, 2019, 08:27:05 pm
Bad luck for Miley. I hope he keeps after it.

All we need is a split. Everything else is gravy.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:29:33 pm
At this point, I’d just like to see an inning where the Astros don’t give up a crooked number. Baby steps.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 08:29:42 pm
Bad luck for Miley. I hope he keeps after it.

All we need is a split. Everything else is gravy.

Certainly what it sounded like on the radio.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:33:47 pm
13-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:35:26 pm
Biagini in...getting crushed
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:37:51 pm
15-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:39:37 pm
Still gotta get 18 more outs this game.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:40:42 pm
These are the kinds of games that can ruin you for weeks.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:43:10 pm
17-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 08:43:31 pm
At this point, I’d just like to see an inning where the Astros don’t give up a crooked number. Baby steps.

Sorry.

Did you want that tonight?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:44:51 pm
Biagini out.

As have 17 runs on 18 hits. They’ve made 9 outs.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: chuck on September 10, 2019, 08:48:02 pm
That was literally like batting practice. It would be hard to imagine a batting practice pitcher inducing more hard contact.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:49:10 pm
Miley and Biagini combine for 13 runs in 0.1 innings.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:53:09 pm
Two screaming line drives for the Astros are outs. One of those nights.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:56:13 pm
Astros throw in the towel. Pretty much a new lineup in the field.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 08:58:54 pm
18-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:00:51 pm
19-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: MRaup on September 10, 2019, 09:03:40 pm
I'm absolutely sure this has nothing to do with the slurp job last night over the whipping the Astros put on the A's.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:04:05 pm
Every A has multiple hits. In the 5th.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:06:25 pm
We’re half way...19-2
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:10:15 pm
Machete!

19-3
Title: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: geezerdonk on September 10, 2019, 09:13:46 pm
BBGs are serving up a mountain size helping of humility.
Title: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: geezerdonk on September 10, 2019, 09:15:03 pm
The next two games are really going to be interesting. I'll bet Verlander is already chomping at the bit.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:15:07 pm
Framber in. So much for him starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: The Spleen on September 10, 2019, 09:17:27 pm
Framber in. So much for him starting tomorrow.

Urquidy?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 09:17:45 pm
Framber in. So much for him starting tomorrow.

So who will start?

Urquidy?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 10, 2019, 09:18:54 pm
Detroit walks it off against NY, 12-11.

Fuck the Yankees!
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: das on September 10, 2019, 09:20:53 pm
Machete!

19-3

So, you’re sayin’ there’s a chance?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:22:57 pm
Two soft rollers to 2B result in shiftfuck singles. Story of the night.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:23:45 pm
20-3
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:25:10 pm
Only one run that inning, and it wasn’t even Framber’s fault.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: chuck on September 10, 2019, 09:25:40 pm
If these guys would line up and play the infield rather than array themselves in some kaleidoscopic pattern here and there they might just record a fucking out every now and then.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:31:16 pm
20-4
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:36:03 pm
20-5
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Lefty on September 10, 2019, 09:41:23 pm
I'm absolutely sure this has nothing to do with the slurp job last night over the whipping the Astros put on the A's.

Did Johnny Slurpjob position the infielders in the first inning?

This is just fucking payback.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:46:22 pm
Finally...a ZERO!

At the stretch...20-5
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 10, 2019, 09:54:06 pm
Alright, past my bedtime. If the Astros come back, I’ll miss it.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 11, 2019, 06:07:29 am
Did we win?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 06:21:52 am
Did we win?

Unlikely.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: MRaup on September 11, 2019, 10:47:38 am
The good news is, the Astros scored a touchdown, and the extra point was good.

The bad news... Well, there was a lot of it.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 10:50:07 am
The good news is, the Astros scored a touchdown, and the extra point was good.

The bad news... Well, there was a lot of it.

For Biagini and Miley especially.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: homer on September 11, 2019, 10:56:00 am
Quote
In some of his recent outings, his cutter hasn’t been as sharp and he’s been wild. In these last two, he’s felt like the cutter has been on point. The A’s tagged him for seven singles and a walk on Tuesday in chasing him in the first inning. Their hitters committed to staying inside Miley’s cutter and hitting it the other way.

“I think the other team has a really good approach against me right now and I’m not making the adjustment,” Miley said. “Again I felt like, it’s crazy, I located pitches pretty well for the nine batters I was in there. I got singled to death tonight. But at the same time, I’ve got to make better pitches.”

The cutter revived Miley’s career last season while he was with the Brewers, and his heavy usage of it isn’t likely to change. It lacked in August on the days his fastball command faltered, as the two pitches work in tandem. But he threw 20 of his 28 pitches for strikes on Tuesday, so that wasn’t the issue against the A’s.

“Their approach was pretty incredible,” Astros manager A.J. Hinch said.

After he was bounced Tuesday night, Miley spent the rest of the game studying video. In his opinion, the A’s hitters’ swings didn’t suggest that he tipped his pitches. If it’s as simple as the opposition figuring out an approach to combat his cutter, he will have to adjust.

https://theathletic.com/1201432/2019/09/11/the-possible-october-ramifications-of-wade-mileys-late-season-struggles/
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 11:00:39 am
They intentionally beat the shift with stay inside the ball swings. Look for more of that.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on September 11, 2019, 11:18:21 am
They intentionally beat the shift with stay inside the ball swings. Look for more of that.

What's the counter to the counter?

Bust them inside?
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: georgiasamba on September 11, 2019, 11:26:59 am
What's the counter to the counter?


Statistics.

When the data models indicate that the infielders need to be positioned elsewhere, the Astros will move them.
Unfortunately, now is not the time to be collecting more data points.

/math nerd
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 11:32:10 am
What's the counter to the counter?

Bust them inside?

Play straight up at least if we need a dp.

Pitching inside is not the complete answer. Inside out the ball the other way.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 11:49:33 am
Statistics.

When the data models indicate that the infielders need to be positioned elsewhere, the Astros will move them.
Unfortunately, now is not the time to be collecting more data points.

/math nerd

Which Miley will tell you is horseshit. Simien’s leadoff AB tipped the strategy.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: VirtualBob on September 11, 2019, 12:02:52 pm
They intentionally beat the shift with stay inside the ball swings. Look for more of that.
Exactly. I am surprised it took so long.

I am reminded of a story I heard from a high school coach. His team was facing a fire baller who could not throw his curve for a strike. So he had them practice hitting fastballs thrown from in front of the mound and laying off curveballs all the time. Simple but effective.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: JimR on September 11, 2019, 12:06:13 pm
Exactly. I am surprised it took so long.

I am reminded of a story I heard from a high school coach. His team was facing a fire baller who could not throw his curve for a strike. So he had them practice hitting fastballs thrown from in front of the mound and laying off curveballs all the time. Simple but effective.

I heard about that.
Title: Re: A’s @ Astros, September 10, 2019
Post by: VirtualBob on September 11, 2019, 02:57:02 pm
I heard about that.
I thought maybe.  :-)