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General Discussion => Game Zone 2019 => Topic started by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on July 15, 2019, 09:27:51 pm
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Four walks and the Astros lead 1-0.
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Four walks and the Astros lead 1-0.
I just want to hit Altuve with a chair sometimes. If he'd waiting for a good pitch, the Astros might've gotten more than one in the first.
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Too many 3-1 counts already (2 for 2) ---- Sheesh
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Simmons is a lollygagger.
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ESCHENFELDER. STOP. FUCKING. INTERRUPTING. BLUM!
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I just want to hit Altuve with a chair sometimes. If he'd waiting for a good pitch, the Astros might've gotten more than one in the first.
The last two nights you wanted to kiss him. Tonight you want to dope slap him. Life with Jose Altuve.
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ESCHENFELDER. STOP. FUCKING. INTERRUPTING. BLUM!
Where is Kalas? How much time does he get off? I figured he'd be back for this series. I'm sure they mentioned he wouldn't be, but I have trouble paying attention sometimes.
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Where is Kalas? How much time does he get off? I figured he'd be back for this series. I'm sure they mentioned he wouldn't be, but I have trouble paying attention sometimes.
He’ll be back this weekend against the fucksticks.
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Straw has such a beautiful stride.
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Line drive from Bregman. More, please!
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Canning gets canned. Taylor Cole to pitch.
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Canning gets canned. Taylor Cole to pitch.
Asmus trying to preserve a chance at a win.
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Canning gets canned. Taylor Cole to pitch.
At least Canning didn’t get caned.
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In that situation, I would send Bregs on a 3-2 pitch.
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At least Canning didn’t get caned.
You don't know that.
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I hope we get good Framber tonight.
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I hope we get good Framber tonight.
And now we find out.
Tightrope walk or shit sandwich, which will it be?
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FFS Framber!
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Wasn't pretty.
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I confess I do not understand this opener stuff, but why not try to get 2-3 innings out of James?
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Maldonado has apparently been traded, Astros are one of the teams who had been looking into him. Team yet to be named
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It's interesting that Kemp is starting today. I wonder if Hinch is just giving his some support after supposedly being told yesterday he was DFAed.
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It's interesting that Kemp is starting today. I wonder if Hinch is just giving his some support after supposedly being told yesterday he was DFAed.
I do not believe he was told that.
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I do not believe he was told that.
It would have been unusually sloppy by the organization.
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Just the 2nd hit of the night for the Angels.
Uh, Kevin... it's the third fucking inning.
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Framber is falling in love with his deuce. Tattooed FB for the HR won’t help.
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Framber is falling in love with his deuce. Tattooed FB for the HR won’t help.
2-0 pitch. Had to be FB. His out pitch is CB.
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Just the 2nd hit of the night for the Angels.
Uh, Kevin... it's the third fucking inning.
I am underwhelmed. You would think there’d be a decent line of talent chomping at the bit for that gig. Great opportunity for a trial.
I guess Capps is busy down in RR.
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Simmons is a lollygagger.
Nice job
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Nice job
Oh FFS.
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Nice catch on the flair by Calhoun.
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I am underwhelmed. You would think there’d be a decent line of talent chomping at the bit for that gig. Great opportunity for a trial.
I guess Capps is busy down in RR.
I'd take Julia burping the alphabet over Kevin trying his hardest.
He's fucking atrocious.
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Please don’t ever show that swing by Altuve again.
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I am underwhelmed. You would think there’d be a decent line of talent chomping at the bit for that gig. Great opportunity for a trial.
I guess Capps is busy down in RR.
Ha
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I'd take Julia burping the alphabet over Kevin trying his hardest.
I'd take Julia burping the alphabet over most things.
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Eschenfelder crying yard on a routine fly ball to left.
It's like I'm watching a Cubs game!
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I'd take Julia burping the alphabet over Kevin trying his hardest.
He's fucking atrocious.
He needs to stop crying yard. The BBG’s are listening.
Edited to add: Jinx
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Maldonado has apparently been traded, Astros are one of the teams who had been looking into him. Team yet to be named
Rosenthal tweets Cubs.
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Here's a thought...
DON'T THROW HITTABLE PITCHES ON 0 AND FUCKING 2.
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Jesus Fucking Christ. That was a meatball to Pujols.
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Holy Fuck, Chirinios. What the hell was that?
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Replay showed the ball was fouled. Why Chirinos didn't bother to bring that up?
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What a fucking shitass series of events.
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Replay showed the ball was fouled. Why Chirinos didn't bother to bring that up?
Now that cost them a run. Somebody wasn't paying attention.
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I confess I do not understand this opener stuff, but why not try to get 2-3 innings out of James?
The idea is to "open" with your "6th inning guy" to get the other teams best hitters out in the first. Then you go to the "bulk guy" who now gets to "ease" his way into the game and in theory would be in rhythm by the time the top of the order comes back around.
You use a guy like Framber because you expect to get about 5 innings from him, you're just using him for a different 5 innings.
The only reason why you don't have James go 2-3 innings is so that you can still use him tomorrow and don't burn 2 pitchers in one game, so to speak.
I'm not convinced it's really that effective, but that's the general idea of why you do it.
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Rosenthal tweets Cubs.
Royals get Mike Montgomery, don't see many major leaguer for major leaguer trades these days. Especially midseason
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The idea is to "open" with your "6th inning guy" to get the other teams best hitters out in the first. Then you go to the "bulk guy" who now gets to "ease" his way into the game and in theory would be in rhythm by the time the top of the order comes back around.
You use a guy like Framber because you expect to get about 5 innings from him, you're just using him for a different 5 innings.
The only reason why you don't have James go 2-3 innings is so that you can still use him tomorrow and don't burn 2 pitchers in one game, so to speak.
I'm not convinced it's really that effective, but that's the general idea of why you do it.
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I understand the idea of openers generally, but any plan specifically premised on Framber Valdez going anywhere near five innings is manifestly ill-conceived.
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Alvarez's swing is absolute "buttah".
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Alvarez's swing is absolute "buttah".
Ball comes in at 84mph and leaves at 112mph. Wow.
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Stomach churning DP by Reddick.
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From bunt to DP --- awesome
Will stop bitching sometime soon.
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I understand the idea of openers generally, but any plan specifically premised on Framber Valdez going anywhere near five innings is manifestly ill-conceived.
Previous to his last 3 starts, he's been pretty consistently 4-5 innings. Which yes, that's not great for a starter, that's what you want from a "bulk guy"
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Royals get Mike Montgomery, don't see many major leaguer for major leaguer trades these days. Especially midseason
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Who did we offer?
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Previous to his last 3 starts, he's been pretty consistently 4-5 innings. Which yes, that's not great for a starter, that's what you want from a "bulk guy"
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I just want someone competent at pitching.
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I just want someone competent at pitching.
Tune in on Wednesday
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Who did we offer?
Not a clue. If they made an offer I'd bet it wasn't anywhere near a MLB arm though
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Not a clue. If they made an offer I'd bet it wasn't anywhere near a MLB arm though
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Blum said we were in on him.
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Blum said we were in on him.
I believe it, I don't know if anyone wants to see Max Stassi bat in any game that really means something. Wonder who their next catching target might be?
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Framber is fucking infuriating to watch.
Fucking around and more worried about the runner than the hitter and throws a fucking meatball.
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I really think this should be the last time we see Framber this year.
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Why the fuck wasn't the entire infield in!?
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I really think this should be the last time we see Framber this year.
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That's a thought that has occurred repeatedly for about three weeks now.
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Framber is leaking more than Exxon at this point. The question is how much longer?
AJ had to know they were going to concede more runs this inning... no evidence to contrary
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Well, that was fucking stupid
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Jesus Fucking Christ.
Fuck you, Framber. You are are fucking idiot.
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TAKE THE EASY OUT! HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED BASEBALL BEFORE!?!?!?
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Fuck Framber Valdez.
What an absolute garbage appearance.
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He's a total fucking mess.
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Is this just a save the bullpen at all costs kind of game?
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Well it makes Luhnow's job pretty easy now...
Bring in a quality SP ASAP....or risk starting or "Opening" another can of worms in 5 days.
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Will we get a Tyler White on the mound sighting tonight?
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Is this just a save the bullpen at all costs kind of game?
Well, given they all have to cobble together 9 innings tomorrow...
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And then fucked by the HPU. That 0-2 pitch caught a shit ton of the plate.
So here comes another extra base hit.
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It's been a long time since I've seen a team this talented and this well-run generally continue to try something that has been proven to fail so consistently. Sending Framber out there every five days is something like the Cleveland Browns or some other organization wedded to failure would do.
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Luhnow, give up Tucker. Hell, give up all of Round Rock. Just get pitchers in here.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS TEAM FUCKING DOING?!
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I thought he was safe and 2nd.
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This was a game we had control of, dominated, and the succumbed to because we don't have 4 and 5th pitcher.
JC Pennies...
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And now Straw douses the fire with gasoline.
EDIT: No way was he out.
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It's been a long time since I've seen a team this talented and this well-run generally continue to try something that has been proven to fail so consistently. Sending Framber out there every five days is something like the Cleveland Browns or some other organization wedded to failure would do.
Ok, genius. What would you do? Who pitches?
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This was a game we had control of, dominated, and the succumbed to because we don't have 4 and 5th pitcher.
JC Pennies...
No. That's not entirely true.
This is a game the Astros had control of, then shat the bed repeatedly with runners on. Instead of taking a commanding lead, their scrub-ass pitcher gagged up run after run. NOW you can blame the 4th -5th pitcher.
This is exactly how that shaky ass win against the Rangers COULD'VE gone if the offense hadn't kept their foot on the gas.
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It's been a long time since I've seen a team this talented and this well-run generally continue to try something that has been proven to fail so consistently. Sending Framber out there every five days is something like the Cleveland Browns or some other organization wedded to failure would do.
That and the Tyler White Experience.
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No. That's not entirely true.
This is a game the Astros had control of, then shat the bed repeatedly with runners on. Instead of taking a commanding lead, their scrub-ass pitcher gagged up run after run. NOW you can blame the 4th -5th pitcher.
This is exactly how that shaky ass win against the Rangers COULD'VE gone if the offense hadn't kept their foot on the gas.
I prefer your version. You had me at "Shat the bed".
Welcome to Stros Shit Show Suphering Succotash
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I would rather see present-day Chris Holt get the next start than Framber.
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I would rather see present-day Chris Holt Nolan Ryan get the next start than Framber.
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EIGHT left on base through 5.
That is almost as putrid as Framber's pitching.
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Ok, genius. What would you do? Who pitches?
James for more than one inning (as you yourself suggested)? Devo? McHugh?
There are no good options. But Framber is rapidly becoming the worst bad option.
Three games now they've fallen way behind and still had to burn out the bullpen. It's not like he gives up six or seven runs but at least eats some innings.
I'm loath to second-guess this organization given its track record, but I'm not the only person here wondering what Framber has to do not to start another game.
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Springer Dinger!!
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Ribeye Deuce for Springer --- how about we bat around twice?
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That and the Tyler White Experience.
I assume Tyler White is just marking time until Diaz and Correa are activated. That's a different issue from Valdez, who still has options.
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Springer mashes one to right center.
This game is going to end tomorrow afternoon.
Eschenfelder gem - "That tightens things up considerably!"
No shit, Kevin?
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I assume Tyler White is just marking time until Diaz and Correa are activated. That's a different issue from Valdez, who still has options.
My question is, why did they send Sneed down? He is the inning eater the Astros need.
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My question is, why did they send Sneed down? He is the inning eater the Astros need.
Because they thought they were activating Peacock.
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Altuve takes 2 balls then swings wildly at a slider, then swings wildly at another slider and hits a 10 hopper to short stop.
BE FUCKING PATIENT FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
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Because they thought they were activating Peacock.
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Your point would be a lot more sensical if Framber hadn't been awful for weeks.
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No. That's not entirely true.
This is a game the Astros had control of, then shat the bed repeatedly with runners on. Instead of taking a commanding lead, their scrub-ass pitcher gagged up run after run. NOW you can blame the 4th -5th pitcher.
This is exactly how that shaky ass win against the Rangers COULD'VE gone if the offense hadn't kept their foot on the gas.
This is a knock-on effect of the 4 and 5 situation. Even the otherwise reliable relievers are shakier now because of overuse. At this rate, the bullpen is going to be shot by mid-September, even if they can land another starter.
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This is the one that confuses me. They could have done a bullpen day today and had Sneed start tomorrow on normal rest and just give him a shot.
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Altuve takes 2 balls then swings wildly at a slider, then swings wildly at another slider and hits a 10 hopper to short stop.
BE FUCKING PATIENT FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Patient? What's that?
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Because they thought they were activating Peacock.
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Could have still sent Framber down and kept Sneed. The plan could have been, Peacock tonight and Sneed tomorrow.
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In the immortal words of Brother Bluto (mustard stained t-shirt and distant smirk)
Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor? C'mon guys!!!! Who's with me? No more of this Dean Wormer shit.
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FUCK YOU ESCHENFELDER!
STOP CALLING EVERY FUCKING FLYBALL TO LEFT A HOME RUN YOU FUCKING MORON.
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Fuck you Eshenfelder, I was looking away when Alvarez hit the ball and he got me
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I would rather see present-day Chris Holt get the next start than Framber.
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Is Wandy Rodriguez under contract?
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FUCK YOU ESCHENFELDER!
STOP CALLING EVERY FUCKING FLYBALL TO LEFT A HOME RUN YOU FUCKING MORON.
The way he called it I thought it was gonna be a 759ft homerun
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The way he called it I thought it was gonna be a 759ft homerun
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On a ball that Alvarez knew off the bat didn't have enough.
Fucking horrendous.
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Smith not exactly fooling people, but got through the inning with no runs allowed.
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Joe Smith - 10 pitches, 3 outs.
If we come back, point to this inning (even with the double) as a turning point in how to fucking get through unscathed.
Fuck me.
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If you were given Framber, White, and Eschenfelder, but only two bullets, which two would you stack back to back?
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If you were given Framber, White, and Eschenfelder, but only two bullets, which two would you stack back to back?
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Eschenfelder twice, then I'd beat his corpse with the butt of the gun.
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Eschenfelder twice, then I'd beat his corpse with the butt of the gun.
You could try a human centipede experiment to see if you could get one bullet all the way through.
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At some point Chirinos has to realize he can't hit chin high fastballs and will stop swinging at them, right? RIGHT?
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At some point Chirinos has to realize he can't hit chin high fastballs and will stop swinging at them, right? RIGHT?
Where is captain caveman these days?
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Sitting at a cool 437 LOB this game so far.
Fucking shit.
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Eschenfelder twice, then I'd beat his corpse with the butt of the gun.
Eschenfelder needs to shut up and let the game speak for itself. He talks too damn much during the game.
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Pujols bearing a throw to the plate is my cue to go to sleep.
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I'm done.
That was 2013 Astros-esquse.
Altuve should be fucking ashamed of himself, and so should Chirinos. I'm not watching any more of this bullshit.
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What a comedy of errors on that play. No way Pujols should have scored.
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If you were given Framber, White, and Eschenfelder, but only two bullets, which two would you stack back to back?
At this point I'd take the first one myself and then see how I felt.
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Everything about this game pisses me off.
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That closes the gap considerably!
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This is a knock-on effect of the 4 and 5 situation. Even the otherwise reliable relievers are shakier now because of overuse. At this rate, the bullpen is going to be shot by mid-September, even if they can land another starter.
This is the bullshit arrogant theory Hinch and the organization is working under. Save the bullpen for October.
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Managing the schedule is important too.
The big picture is if we all know they need a starter, so do their potential trade partners (and cock blocking playoff contenders).
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This is the bullshit arrogant theory Hinch and the organization is working under. Save the bullpen for October.
Oh, please. There is nothing arrogant going on. They are two starters down, and Peacock blindsided them Sunday.
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Oh, please. There is nothing arrogant going on. They are two starters down, and Peacock blindsided them Sunday.
I agree Jim. You can’t tell me that before Sneed was sent down Luhnow didn’t check with the medical staff to get their opinion on where things stood with Peacock returning. You know he did and you know they told him everything looked on track. It is bad luck for us at a REALLY bad time.
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I agree Jim. You can’t tell me that before Sneed was sent down Luhnow didn’t check with the medical staff to get their opinion on where things stood with Peacock returning. You know he did and you know they told him everything looked on track. It is bad luck for us at a REALLY bad time.
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Not masseuse cracking your ribs bad luck, but bad luck for sure.
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Not masseuse cracking your ribs bad luck, but bad luck for sure.
Did you see where Ken Giles was out over the weekend with nerve discomfort due to a massage? Guess he and Carlos go to the same masseuse.
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Did you see where Ken Giles was out over the weekend with nerve discomfort due to a massage? Guess he and Carlos go to the same masseuse.
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Giles has a nervous condition? Go figure.
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Eschenfelder twice, then I'd beat his corpse with the butt of the gun.
That cracked me up. I appreciate the sentiment.
I don't think he's that bad on the pre/post game stuff. And when did baseball people start getting in-season vacations?
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And when did baseball people start getting in-season vacations?
Saving the broadcast team for October.
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AJ is clearly out of patience with Framber. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-insider-Framber-Valdez-runs-out-of-time-14098173.php
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AJ is clearly out of patience with Framber. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-insider-Framber-Valdez-runs-out-of-time-14098173.php
And he should be. Framber has been given ample opportunity and just hasn’t been able to get the job done. I wouldn’t give up on him but we shouldn’t see him again until spring training. If we do, we have even bigger issues than what we have now.
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AJ is clearly out of patience with Framber. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-insider-Framber-Valdez-runs-out-of-time-14098173.php
Toward the end of a two-minute postgame news conference, Hinch was asked if he would "consider using an opener for Framber again."
"I'm not sure Framber gets another shot at the rotation," the manager interrupted.
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Win or lose, a game without White is refreshing and uplifting.