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Title: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 07:57:09 am
Every team goes through something like this, even without the major injuries the Astros had. Trouble is, for me at least, I did not see this one coming. The kids from RR were not merely filling in; they were helping the Astros win games and should not be blamed for the disappearance of the offense. Bregman’s swing malaise has been going on all season, Yuli’s run production is way off, and Brantley and Reddick cannot carry the team. Who woulda thunk JV and Cole would not win their starts and Osuna and Pressly both would blow saves and lose games on this road trip.

Glad to see a Monday off day coming. My guess is the brain trust is deep into roster analysis and is working the phones. In Luhnow I trust, but dammit, win today.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: austro on June 23, 2019, 09:08:17 am
Every team goes through something like this, even without the major injuries the Astros had. Trouble is, for me at least, I did not see this one coming. The kids from RR were not merely filling in; they were helping the Astros win games and should not be blamed for the disappearance of the offense. Bregman’s swing malaise has been going on all season, Yuli’s run production is way off, and Brantley and Reddick cannot carry the team. Who woulda thunk JV and Cole would not win their starts and Osuna and Pressly both would blow saves and lose games on this road trip.

Glad to see a Monday off day coming. My guess is the brain trust is deep into roster analysis and is working the phones. In Luhnow I trust, but dammit, win today.

A lockdown start from Verlander would be very helpful.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: juliogotay on June 23, 2019, 09:11:56 am
Maybe they need a good bench-clearing brawl. Or someone throwing a no-no against them like Maloney right before Wilson no-hit the Reds and put the team back on track.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 23, 2019, 09:16:30 am
I don't blame the kids from RR, they have played hard and contributed a lot.  And during this losing streak, the Astros have had games where they scored 5 and 6 runs, both enough to win.  Three things, to me, have  been the problem:

1.  The injuries are starting to catch up.  Too many holes in the lineup and it's hard to string hits together against good pitchers.
2.  The bullpen has been garbage. 
3.  Defensively, the injuries means guys are playing in different spots, and they're not always putting their best defense on the field.  Last night is a good example.  I'm completely convinced that if Bregman was at 3B last night, the Astros win that game.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: SoonerJim on June 23, 2019, 09:27:15 am
Agree with HudsonHawk; the AAA experience has run its course and hurting the team
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 09:36:19 am
I don't blame the kids from RR, they have played hard and contributed a lot.  And during this losing streak, the Astros have had games where they scored 5 and 6 runs, both enough to win.  Three things, to me, have  been the problem:

1.  The injuries are starting to catch up.  Too many holes in the lineup and it's hard to string hits together against good pitchers.
2.  The bullpen has been garbage. 
3.  Defensively, the injuries means guys are playing in different spots, and they're not always putting their best defense on the field.  Last night is a good example.  I'm completely convinced that if Bregman was at 3B last night, the Astros win that game.

Yuli has extensive international experience at third and has played it very well until last night. I think our best defensive lineup is Mayfield at SS, Bregman at third, and Yuli back to first.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: austro on June 23, 2019, 09:39:04 am
Yuli has extensive international experience at third and has played it very well until last night. I think our best defensive lineup is Mayfield at SS, Bregman at third, and Yuli back to first.

I think it's time to admit defeat with White. Quit putting him in the lineup, move Yuli back to first, bring Mayfield back, and go with that lineup for a while.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 23, 2019, 09:41:51 am
Yuli has extensive international experience at third and has played it very well until last night. I think our best defensive lineup is Mayfield at SS, Bregman at third, and Yuli back to first.

I don't blame Yuli, and I know he's played there a lot over his career.  But I think Bregman is just a better defender, at least at this point in their careers.  I agree about the best defensive alignment sans Correa. 
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 23, 2019, 09:45:45 am
I think it's time to admit defeat with White. Quit putting him in the lineup, move Yuli back to first, bring Mayfield back, and go with that lineup for a while.

The problem is, for all the complaining about White's bat, Mayfield's is even worse.  By a lot.  Maybe with Altuve and Springer back, you can afford a guy in the lineup with .160 OBP, but you have to understand it's only slightly better than having the pitcher hit.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 23, 2019, 09:48:54 am
On a side note...

I mentioned it in the shortened GZ last night, but I love watching Stassi catch, and I'm glad he's back.  I've been critical of Stubbs' receiving, maybe overly so, but I saw a marked difference last night, and Stassi got pitches that Chirinos or Stubbs just would not. 
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: austro on June 23, 2019, 10:01:52 am
The problem is, for all the complaining about White's bat, Mayfield's is even worse.  By a lot.  Maybe with Altuve and Springer back, you can afford a guy in the lineup with .160 OBP, but you have to understand it's only slightly better than having the pitcher hit.

Understood, but right now I think it's imperative that the defense be as good as it possibly can be.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Fredia on June 23, 2019, 10:26:47 am
 I   am glad this is  being addressed and the team management  the kfc   chicken someone  will find an answer. 
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 10:28:53 am
The problem is, for all the complaining about White's bat, Mayfield's is even worse.  By a lot.  Maybe with Altuve and Springer back, you can afford a guy in the lineup with .160 OBP, but you have to understand it's only slightly better than having the pitcher hit.

He is a better hitter than he showed. He chased a lot. Pressing, no doubt.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 23, 2019, 11:42:39 am
I don't blame the kids from RR, they have played hard and contributed a lot.  And during this losing streak, the Astros have had games where they scored 5 and 6 runs, both enough to win.  Three things, to me, have  been the problem:

1.  The injuries are starting to catch up.  Too many holes in the lineup and it's hard to string hits together against good pitchers.
2.  The bullpen has been garbage. 
3.  Defensively, the injuries means guys are playing in different spots, and they're not always putting their best defense on the field.  Last night is a good example.  I'm completely convinced that if Bregman was at 3B last night, the Astros win that game.

The Stanton ball is 2 outs not 2 runs.

Title: This losing streak
Post by: TerryPuhl21 on June 23, 2019, 11:43:31 am
I don't blame the kids from RR, they have played hard and contributed a lot.  And during this losing streak, the Astros have had games where they scored 5 and 6 runs, both enough to win.  Three things, to me, have  been the problem:

1.  The injuries are starting to catch up.  Too many holes in the lineup and it's hard to string hits together against good pitchers.
2.  The bullpen has been garbage. 
3.  Defensively, the injuries means guys are playing in different spots, and they're not always putting their best defense on the field.  Last night is a good example.  I'm completely convinced that if Bregman was at 3B last night, the Astros win that game.
Good analysis HH and I agree with all you listed. I would add that the lack of consistent offensive production from the first base position, be it Yuli or White, has been a huge problem. When totally healthy, this lineup can overcome that lack of production. But the injuries have only amplified the fact that this spot in the order is a problem, which is why the Astros were possibly in on Encarnacion. I still think our biggest need going forward is another front end starter and a quality lefty in the pen. But I would love to see an upgrade at first base.

As Jim said in his post, I’ll bet Luhnow and the brain trust are looking long and hard at this roster.


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Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 11:45:46 am
Good analysis HH and I agree with all you listed. I would add that the lack of consistent offensive production from the first base position, be it Yuli or White, has been a huge problem. When totally healthy, this lineup can overcome that lack of production. But the injuries have only amplified the fact that this spot in the order is a problem, which is why the Astros were possibly in on Encarnacion. I still think our biggest need going forward is another front end starter and a quality lefty in the pen. But I would love to see an upgrade at first base.

As Jim said in his post, I’ll bet Luhnow and the brain trust are looking long and hard at this roster.


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Yuli is not going anywhere and should not. He needs to be at 1B.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 23, 2019, 11:47:11 am
I think 1B is fine when Yuli is there and hitting 6th or 7th. 
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 12:23:00 pm
I think 1B is fine when Yuli is there and hitting 6th or 7th.

Yep.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 02:27:21 pm
Yuli says “Fuck you, TZ.”
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Lefty on June 23, 2019, 02:35:51 pm
Yuli says “Fuck you, TZ.”

White agrees with that sentiment.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 02:48:18 pm
White agrees with that sentiment.

White should STFU.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Fredia on June 23, 2019, 04:21:01 pm
the threat of kfc  was just tomcuh
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Lefty on June 23, 2019, 04:45:13 pm
White should STFU.

I think White should keep hitting like he's done the last couple of weeks, and then wave goodbye when everyone is healthy.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 23, 2019, 05:14:51 pm
I think White should keep hitting like he's done the last couple of weeks, and then wave goodbye when everyone is healthy.

All I hope is 4 doubles and a homer=trade value.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Duman on June 24, 2019, 05:43:48 am
Talk about a sacrifice to the BBGs (https://twitter.com/aveyp64/status/1142871010666041345) #slumpbuster
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 07:57:13 am
Jake Kaplan in The Athletic shares his opinion on the subject matter at hand (https://theathletic.com/1043385/2019/06/24/the-lessons-of-the-astros-1-6-road-trip-and-a-series-loss-to-the-yankees/?source=dailyemail).
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Bench on June 24, 2019, 10:16:02 am
Jake Kaplan in The Athletic shares his opinion on the subject matter at hand (https://theathletic.com/1043385/2019/06/24/the-lessons-of-the-astros-1-6-road-trip-and-a-series-loss-to-the-yankees/?source=dailyemail).

What's his opinion?
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: homer on June 24, 2019, 10:42:10 am
What's his opinion?

It will all be better once the injured players return.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Bench on June 24, 2019, 11:11:33 am
It will all be better once the injured players return.

concur
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Snuffy on June 24, 2019, 11:12:29 am
It will all be better once the injured players return.

A good reason to read some of the comments b/f reading an article...  In this case spoilers are appreciated.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 12:30:19 pm
It will all be better once the injured players return.

Duh. Such insight.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 01:43:09 pm
What's his opinion?

Several things:

1. Where will Altuve hit once Springer returns? He's saying don't be surprised Altuve is batting 4th in the lineup to break up Brantly and Alvarez.
2. Yuli and White are still non-productive as everyday starters but don't expect any changes to Yuli playing third and White playing first any time soon. One thing he mentioned was Altuve playing short, Yuli goes back to first, and Kemp playing second (to allow Bregman to move back to third). But that was a wild speculation on his part and nothing he said would happen soon.
3. Alvarez not being able to play first is a reason why Tucker hasn't been called up to be part of the outfield rotation (or give Kemp more time in the lineup). That definitely would have moved White out of the lineup for good. He opined that the Astros probably will go back to experiment with Alvarez at first in the offseason.
4. White will lose his spot once Diaz returns.
5. Yuli is no danger to lose his job any time soon, so moving him back to first this season is what will ultimately happen. He's owed 10 million this year and will get paid 8.5 million next season at age 36.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 01:48:13 pm
Several things:

1. Where will Altuve hit once Springer returns? He's saying don't be surprised Altuve is batting 4th in the lineup to break up Brantly and Alvarez.
2. Yuli and White are still non-productive as everyday starters but don't expect any changes to Yuli playing third and White playing first any time soon. One thing he mentioned was Altuve playing short, Yuli goes back to first, and Kemp playing second (to allow Bregman to move back to third). But that was a wild speculation on his part and nothing he said would happen soon.
3. Alvarez not being able to play first is a reason why Tucker hasn't been called up to be part of the outfield rotation (or give Kemp more time in the lineup). That definitely would have moved White out of the lineup for good. He opined that the Astros probably will go back to experiment with Alvarez at first in the offseason.
4. White will lose his spot once Diaz returns.
5. Yuli is no danger to lose his job any time soon, so moving him back to first this season is what will ultimately happen. He's owed 10 million this year and will get paid 8.5 million next season at age 36.

I saw Alvarez play first in RR more than once. He is not that bad.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 01:58:36 pm
I saw Alvarez play first in RR more than once. He is not that bad.

This is what Kaplan said:

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From the standpoint of roster and lineup construction, the Astros have been hamstrung by Alvarez’s inability to play first base. If Alvarez was good enough at the position to be an option there right now, the Astros would have the option of essentially replacing White’s bat in the lineup with Kemp or Kyle Tucker.

It is curious that the Astros didn’t make more of a concerted effort to turn Alvarez into a viable first baseman while he was coming through the minors. He played only seven games at first in Low A, 15 in High A, five in Double A and nine in Triple A. In his first major-league spring training this past February and March, Alvarez was exclusively an outfielder.

Next spring, the Astros should make it a priority to expose Alvarez to a lot more reps at first base.

I've never seen Alvarez play first, and I believe you have a better view of Alvarez's ability to play first more than anyone else here.

FYI - Kaplan also talks about Hector Rondon and whether the Astros should go get another bullpen arm (or not). Hinch's reaction to Rondon and how he is throwing so far is two-fold:

1. He isn't using a four-seam fastball up in the zone so his fastball has been primarily middle and low and that is where most hitters today look for a pitch to drive. Rondon has registered a lot of hard hit balls this season (I guess a stat the Astros track). Rondon's K numbers are low this year compared to his previous years and Hinch believes it is due to the lack of pitching up in the zone with his fastball.
2. Rondon's slider has been coming around lately but Hinch said Rondon's slider was a non-factor for most of the season so far and it is only until recently that it has become effective for him.

So with James and Rondon not being that effective lately, will the Astros target another reliever? Probably not because if they get another starter, that will allow the Astros to move Peacock or Valdez to the pen to take up some of the slack and not overwork Harris, Pressley and Osuna. Basically, once you get just one more steady hand in the pen, either from Rondon being more effective or James or you have Peacock move to the pen, days like what Harris, Pressley and Osuna have had lately will happen.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 02:00:17 pm
I subscribe to The Athletic so have read this.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 02:01:53 pm
I subscribe to The Athletic so have read this.

Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: jbm on June 24, 2019, 02:03:25 pm
Regarding Rondon and the need for a reliever.  They are hoping to get Smith back sometime in the near future.

Not exactly sure what Alvarez playing first buys you.  So, Yuli isn't a starter, but who is the DH?  Is the scenario Kaplan outlines basically trading Yuli's bat for Tucker's?  If so, it's not striking me as that big of a deal, at all.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 02:17:58 pm
Regarding Rondon and the need for a reliever.  They are hoping to get Smith back sometime in the near future.

Probably well into August some time. I have not heard of any time table for him. The only one is Correa and Diaz back after the All-Star break. In terms of Smith, no word on his return. Did you hear he is coming back soon? But again, if you think you can get a good #3 or #4, you can move Peacock back to the pen and that makes for a solid pen that doesn't rely on the top three as much any more (Harris, Pressley and Osuna). You need production from Rondon and James and if you are worried about a lefty specialist, Harris can provide that with his cutter and curveball combination. But that means you definitely need better from Rondon and James and/or one more bullpen arm.

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Not exactly sure what Alvarez playing first buys you.

Well, the quick answer is you replace White in the lineup. Same reason they were asking about Encarnacion.  With Alvarez, you also free up one spot in the outfield rotation to either use Kemp more or bring up Tucker. All of those dominoes were a possibility if you had a replacement for White at first base right away. Yuli needed to play third because Bregman was at short, so the only spot you could reasonably decide to improve was first base.

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So, Yuli isn't a starter, but who is the DH?  Is the scenario Kaplan outlines basically trading Yuli's bat for Tucker's?  If so, it's not striking me as that big of a deal, at all.

Not sure what you mean, but right now Yuli is at third and will be well into after the All-Star break. It's either keep Jack Mayfield and play him a lot and get rid of White and move Yuli back to first or use Yuli at third, Bregman at short and keep White at first (which is what they decided). All this until Correa returns. I think you might be thinking in terms of the long term and Kaplan's article is more along the short terms fixes could have been Tucker and Alvarez being called up and with the rotation at DH that Hinch employs, you would have had more offensive prowess than you have right now. But that was only if Alvarez could play first. I originally thought why not move Brantley or Reddick to first, but it seems it is a similar proposition as using Straw at short and using Alvarez at first. Probably not your best first option. So hence, White stays at least until Correa and Diaz return. And of course, you'll have stints like the Astros just went through were there were woeful performance on offense, especially with RISP.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 02:18:12 pm
Regarding Rondon and the need for a reliever.  They are hoping to get Smith back sometime in the near future.

Not exactly sure what Alvarez playing first buys you.  So, Yuli isn't a starter, but who is the DH?  Is the scenario Kaplan outlines basically trading Yuli's bat for Tucker's?  If so, it's not striking me as that big of a deal, at all.

Yuli is not going anywhere. If he bats 6th or 7th, he is a plus.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: jbm on June 24, 2019, 02:53:14 pm
Probably well into August some time. I have not heard of any time table for him. The only one is Correa and Diaz back after the All-Star break. In terms of Smith, no word on his return. Did you hear he is coming back soon?

Not sure what you mean, but right now Yuli is at third and will be well into after the All-Star break. It's either keep Jack Mayfield and play him a lot and get rid of White and move Yuli back to first or use Yuli at third, Bregman at short and keep White at first (which is what they decided). All this until Correa returns. I think you might be thinking in terms of the long term and Kaplan's article is more along the short terms fixes could have been Tucker and Alvarez being called up and with the rotation at DH that Hinch employs, you would have had more offensive prowess than you have right now. But that was only if Alvarez could play first. I originally thought why not move Brantley or Reddick to first, but it seems it is a similar proposition as using Straw at short and using Alvarez at first. Probably not your best first option. So hence, White stays at least until Correa and Diaz return. And of course, you'll have stints like the Astros just went through were there were woeful performance on offense, especially with RISP.

Smith is already throwing at CC, I think.

You are correct: my thoughts were for the team at full strength, where it will be Yuli at first, Alvarez at DH, Tucker at RR and White somewhere else. 
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: doyce7 on June 24, 2019, 02:54:53 pm
Probably well into August some time. I have not heard of any time table for him. The only one is Correa and Diaz back after the All-Star break. In terms of Smith, no word on his return. Did you hear he is coming back soon? But again, if you think you can get a good #3 or #4, you can move Peacock back to the pen and that makes for a solid pen that doesn't rely on the top three as much any more (Harris, Pressley and Osuna). You need production from Rondon and James and if you are worried about a lefty specialist, Harris can provide that with his cutter and curveball combination. But that means you definitely need better from Rondon and James and/or one more bullpen arm.

Well, the quick answer is you replace White in the lineup. Same reason they were asking about Encarnacion.  With Alvarez, you also free up one spot in the outfield rotation to either use Kemp more or bring up Tucker. All of those dominoes were a possibility if you had a replacement for White at first base right away. Yuli needed to play third because Bregman was at short, so the only spot you could reasonably decide to improve was first base.

Not sure what you mean, but right now Yuli is at third and will be well into after the All-Star break. It's either keep Jack Mayfield and play him a lot and get rid of White and move Yuli back to first or use Yuli at third, Bregman at short and keep White at first (which is what they decided). All this until Correa returns. I think you might be thinking in terms of the long term and Kaplan's article is more along the short terms fixes could have been Tucker and Alvarez being called up and with the rotation at DH that Hinch employs, you would have had more offensive prowess than you have right now. But that was only if Alvarez could play first. I originally thought why not move Brantley or Reddick to first, but it seems it is a similar proposition as using Straw at short and using Alvarez at first. Probably not your best first option. So hence, White stays at least until Correa and Diaz return. And of course, you'll have stints like the Astros just went through were there were woeful performance on offense, especially with RISP.
Well Smith is already pitching in rehab games and I'm not 100% but I think he can only be on rehab assignment for a few weks or a month so mid to late July would be the timeline unless he has a setback

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Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Bench on June 24, 2019, 03:01:38 pm
From Saturday's chron: (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Collin-McHugh-nearing-end-of-rehab-14030788.php)

Smith, meanwhile, will require many more appearances. Because he ruptured his Achilles in December and did not appear in a live game until Saturday, Smith's minor league rehab assignment will mirror a spring training buildup. He is next scheduled to pitch on either Monday or Tuesday.

Manager A.J. Hinch revealed Saturday that Smith, the veteran righthanded specialist, will not factor into the major league bullpen until after the All-Star break, joining Carlos Correa and Aledmys Díaz among the Astros sidelined until mid-July.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 03:16:07 pm
From Saturday's chron: (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Collin-McHugh-nearing-end-of-rehab-14030788.php)

Smith, meanwhile, will require many more appearances. Because he ruptured his Achilles in December and did not appear in a live game until Saturday, Smith's minor league rehab assignment will mirror a spring training buildup. He is next scheduled to pitch on either Monday or Tuesday.

Manager A.J. Hinch revealed Saturday that Smith, the veteran righthanded specialist, will not factor into the major league bullpen until after the All-Star break, joining Carlos Correa and Aledmys Díaz among the Astros sidelined until mid-July.


Thanks, I didn't think he was on the same rehab assignment like McHugh, but wasn't sure what his timetable was. With a ruptured Achilles and no spring training, any time in the minors (to me) meant he was going to be on a different rehab program than anybody else. Usually when I read about the returning players, Smith is usually not mentioned or if he is, he's an outlier and probably not as strong in their plans until they know more during his stint in the minors. It will definitely inform their decision.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Noe on June 24, 2019, 03:31:47 pm
You are correct: my thoughts were for the team at full strength, where it will be Yuli at first, Alvarez at DH, Tucker at RR and White somewhere else.

Yeah, sorry I wasn't clear about what Kaplan was saying, it was more scatter-shot the way I presented it. Yup, Tucker is not a factor this season because, to put it bluntly, Alvarez passed him in terms of being called up... and even to a lesser extent, so did Fisher. Fisher doing well and having a good short stint in the majors bodes well to him being traded (for both him and the team). Tucker is not going to advance this year, but he'll be in the mix next year.

So to talk about the long term (re: rest of the season):

CF - Springer (1)
3rd - Bregman (2)
LF or 2nd - Either Brantley or Altuve (depending on Hinch) (3rd)
LF or 2nd- Either Brantley or Altuve (depending on Hinch) (4th)
DH - more than likely Alvarez's best lineup position (5th)
SS - Carlos Correa if he stays away from a masseuse, chiropractor, santeria witch doctor or a professional wrassler (6th)
1st - Yuli (7th)
C - Chirinos (8th)
RF - Reddick (9th)

Hinch other players to get spots starts in that lineup

Kemp gets some time in the outfield and DH and bats 9th. If Kemp DHs, then Alvarez goes to LF or Kemp goes to LF and Alvarez stays at DH and Brantley gets some time off or Reddick does.

White? He may be gone by then. Trade fodder or DFA'ed.

Marisnick - he has a ton of value to allow Springer, Brantley and Reddick time off to rest their legs. He'll bat in those spot starts somewhere in the bottom of the order with everyone moving up a notch. Basically, Marisnick with his slugging prowess is probably a #8 hitter when he plays.

Diaz - he is going to replace White in the roster and take up playing time at 2nd, SS, 3rd and 1st to spell all of those guys. Kemp will still get time at 2nd so Altuve can rest the legs more often by  taking a day off or hitting in Hinch's merry-go-round DH spot.

Straw? Probably going back to AAA because he has options and really with Kemp, Diaz and Marisnick (not to mention Stassi who is the second catcher), that is your bench for the rest of the season. If they decide to carry one less bullpen pitcher, then you can keep either White or Straw, but I don't see that happening.
Title: This losing streak
Post by: geezerdonk on June 24, 2019, 03:50:23 pm
Who, these days, fields first base better than Gurriel? He is beloved of his team mates and is way more than adequate hitting seventh. He is a real important part of the team.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 04:08:44 pm
Who, these days, fields first base better than Gurriel? He is beloved of his team mates and is way more than adequate hitting seventh. He is a real important part of the team.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 24, 2019, 06:09:34 pm
Who, these days, fields first base better than Gurriel? He is beloved of his team mates and is way more than adequate hitting seventh. He is a real important part of the team.

I've always liked his ability to hit balls out of the zone with authority without being a strikeout machine.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: juliogotay on June 24, 2019, 06:34:03 pm
I've always liked his ability to hit balls out of the zone with authority without being a strikeout machine.

I have a hunch Yuli is going to be very big in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Ty in Tampa on June 24, 2019, 07:13:41 pm
I want to go on the record as a big Yuli fan. That's all.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 24, 2019, 07:21:55 pm
I want to go on the record as a big Yuli fan. That's all.

I am with you.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: toddthebod on June 25, 2019, 12:16:02 pm
Absolutely.

White has actually made some really nice plays at first.   
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: MRaup on June 25, 2019, 12:38:25 pm
White has actually made some really nice plays at first.

To White's great credit, he has been a slightly above serviceable first baseman during this stretch, even when he wasn't hitting for shit.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: chuck on June 25, 2019, 02:04:43 pm
I'd be more generous than that, actually. I think defensively he's been very good.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 25, 2019, 02:22:23 pm
He has caught everything he can reach. Yuli is quicker and has greater range.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: MRaup on June 25, 2019, 02:58:33 pm
I'd be more generous than that, actually. I think defensively he's been very good.

Considering he's shaped like a pumpkin, I'll allow it.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: MusicMan on June 25, 2019, 02:59:37 pm
Considering he's shaped like a pumpkin, I'll allow it.

It’s the Not Very Good Pumpkin, Charlie Brown


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Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: MRaup on June 25, 2019, 03:46:06 pm
It’s the Beyond Adequate Defensively Pumpkin, Charlie Brown


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Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: SoonerJim on June 25, 2019, 05:26:38 pm
Curious, how bad is Alvarez defensibly at 1b?  An outfield logjam exists with all hands available, unless Luhnow  trades someone in a month
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Jacksonian on June 25, 2019, 06:08:50 pm
Curious, how bad is Alvarez defensibly at 1b?  An outfield logjam exists with all hands available, unless Luhnow  trades someone in a month

The way Hinch rotates players between their positions and DH and the occasional day off if say there is no logjam.  And guys in the minors are depth not part of a logjam.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 25, 2019, 06:10:08 pm
Curious, how bad is Alvarez defensibly at 1b?  An outfield logjam exists with all hands available, unless Luhnow  trades someone in a month

Not as bad as you read.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 25, 2019, 07:22:50 pm
Curious, how bad is Alvarez defensibly at 1b?  An outfield logjam exists with all hands available, unless Luhnow  trades someone in a month

If he can play the outfield, he can play 1B
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: MRaup on June 25, 2019, 10:48:42 pm
Not as bad as you read.

Hinch's substitution choices say otherwise.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 26, 2019, 07:55:17 am
Hinch's substitution choices say otherwise.

I realize that is the organization’s narrative, but I have seen him play there a couple of times in RR. We read about his being a bad OFer too, but he has shown he can play there.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Bench on June 26, 2019, 12:13:17 pm
I realize that is the organization’s narrative, but I have seen him play there a couple of times in RR. We read about his being a bad OFer too, but he has shown he can play there.

I thought he was primarily a 1B and then this year they wanted him to try LF. Hinch seems to be playing him the opposite way around. I probably just had it wrong in my head.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 26, 2019, 12:22:41 pm
I thought he was primarily a 1B and then this year they wanted him to try LF. Hinch seems to be playing him the opposite way around. I probably just had it wrong in my head.

I have no idea what he played as he advanced through the system. All I read this year is how bad he is defensively, and that is not the player I saw in RR.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 26, 2019, 12:30:53 pm
When the trade was made Alvarez was described as a 1st base prospect. Here is an article to refresh memories.  (https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/8/2/12353568/astros-trade-josh-fields-to-dodgers-for-yordan-alvarez)
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: JimR on June 26, 2019, 12:33:56 pm
When the trade was made Alvarez was described as a 1st base prospect. Here is an article to refresh memories.  (https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/8/2/12353568/astros-trade-josh-fields-to-dodgers-for-yordan-alvarez)

Projections. He had not played yet.
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Lefty on June 26, 2019, 12:38:30 pm
When the trade was made Alvarez was described as a 1st base prospect. Here is an article to refresh memories.  (https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/8/2/12353568/astros-trade-josh-fields-to-dodgers-for-yordan-alvarez)

He played 1B exclusively in Cuba, but his PT there has been pretty sporadic the last couple of years.

'17: 355-191, OF-1B innings in the minors
'18: 561-36
'19: 255-83
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on June 26, 2019, 12:58:13 pm
Hinch's substitution choices say otherwise.

Are they trying to maximize White's time there for potential trade partners to see?
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: SoonerJim on June 26, 2019, 03:24:20 pm
Are they trying to maximize White's time there for potential trade partners to see?

Additional playing time is going to convince a team that he’s a diamond in the rough? He’s playing out of necessity
Title: Re: This losing streak
Post by: Ty in Tampa on June 26, 2019, 05:35:53 pm
Maybe AJ just wants there to be no question that Yuli is the 1B once the roster is healthy.