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I don’t have a subscription to The Athletic yet, but this morning Jim Bowden went over some potential trades for AL contenders that he wrote in an article. One proposal discussed at length involved the Twins sending Graterol and Gordon to the Giants for Bumgarner and Smith. Graterol is the Twins’ number one pitching prospect and Gordon is a highly thought of middle infielder ranked 10th in their system. The trade would solve two issues with the Twins and would be a big move by them.
The proposal got me to thinking about the Astros. I think Houston could use another starter and a solid left handed out of the pen like the Giants’ Smith. San Francisco is apparently wanting outfield help. Would you do a trade to acquire Bumgarner and Smith for Tucker and Bukauskas? Tucker and James? Tucker and Martin?
Just curious to see what the board thinks.
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the need for another starter is obvious.. how the astros arrivethere is the question
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Not trading James. Martin or Bukakas? Madbum is a rental. Tucker for a rental is not attractive.
I want Luhnow to see if Scherzer is available, but that is a big contract.
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If Washington would pick up all of this year's contract, he would be owed $84MM for two years. Some of that is deferred through 2028. Would signing him put Springer and Correa out of reach?
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If Washington would pick up all of this year's contract, he would be owed $84MM for two years. Some of that is deferred through 2028. Would signing him put Springer and Correa out of reach?
Probably. Pipe dream.
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That brings us back to Stroman. As I understand it, there are two more years of club control. Toronto has been a good trading partner lately. Are they ready to send him on? Would it take Tucker to get him? Could Strom improve his control?
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That brings us back to Stroman. As I understand it, there are two more years of club control. Toronto has been a good trading partner lately. Are they ready to send him on? Would it take Tucker to get him? Could Strom improve his control?
I know there's a lot of chatter about Stroman, but he seems to be a sinker-heavy pitcher - exactly the opposite of what the Astros seem to emphasize.
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Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to have Stroman. Of the reasonable choices (I don’t see Scherzer as available) out there TODAY, he’s my number two choice. For me, it is Madbum or bust. I think he would fit in wonderfully between Verlander and Cole and I’ll bet Strom can get even more out of him.
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I know there's a lot of chatter about Stroman, but he seems to be a sinker-heavy pitcher - exactly the opposite of what the Astros seem to emphasize.
Cole was a sinker heavy guy in Pittsburgh, just sayin.
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Astros were in on Encarnacion according to this reporter. https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1140432617856294913
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Astros were in on Encarnacion according to this reporter. https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1140432617856294913
Curious about this.
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Astros were in on Encarnacion according to this reporter. https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1140432617856294913
I assume these talks were pre-Alvarez. At the moment, seems like the club needs are elsewhere.
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Jake Kaplan has an article in The Athletic about Kyle Tucker's trade value, potential starting pitching and bullpen depth that he posted this morning:
https://theathletic.com/1030669/2019/06/17/houston-astros-mailbag-kyle-tucker-trade-value-potential-rotation-targets-state-of-bullpen/
I don't have a subscription but seems people are starting to speculate about Kyle Tucker as a trading chip. I think it would be a huge mistake to waive Tucker out there for a second tier starter (you have Verlander and Cole already) or a bullpen arm or even a three month rental. Hugh mistake, but it doesn't seem to be stopping people from speculating nonetheless. I'd like to know what Kaplan is thinking though. Might have to subscribe. Of course, it's mailbag speculation primarily but I don't know what Kaplan believes is Tucker's value to the club... or not.
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Astros were in on Encarnacion according to this reporter. https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1140432617856294913
Doesn't surprise me. He was the one I would have targeted. Minimal cost if Seattle eats a lot of his contract, the price in terms of prospect would have been low. The big issue was how much Seattle was willing to eat in terms of salary and I agree with Houston not wanting to eat too much of that contract. They need that money for the trade deadline deals that might bring them back some arms.
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Jake Kaplan has an article in The Athletic about Kyle Tucker's trade value, potential starting pitching and bullpen depth that he posted this morning:
https://theathletic.com/1030669/2019/06/17/houston-astros-mailbag-kyle-tucker-trade-value-potential-rotation-targets-state-of-bullpen/
I don't have a subscription but seems people are starting to speculate about Kyle Tucker as a trading chip. I think it would be a huge mistake to waive Tucker out there for a second tier starter (you have Verlander and Cole already) or a bullpen arm or even a three month rental. Hugh mistake, but it doesn't seem to be stopping people from speculating nonetheless. I'd like to know what Kaplan is thinking though. Might have to subscribe. Of course, it's mailbag speculation primarily but I don't know what Kaplan believes is Tucker's value to the club... or not.
Okay, here is what Kaplan answers in terms of trading Tucker (for a pitcher or anybody for that matter):
The Astros are in the market for a starting pitcher, and dealing an asset with six years of team control, like Tucker, for a rental like Madison Bumgarner or a starter with one and a half seasons before free agency, like Marcus Stroman, contrasts from general manager Jeff Luhnow’s MO.
Trading Tucker for a pitcher with several years of team control, like Matthew Boyd has left, would make more sense. But even if Boyd were an option, I’m not sold the Astros would part with Tucker. Though he’s seemingly blocked for the rest of this season, if he’s as good as the Astros still seem to think he will be, then he has a ton of potential value to them in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025.
Particularly in the 2021 through 2025 seasons, the door is open for Tucker to be an everyday middle-of-the-order bat for the Astros. Springer, Brantley, Reddick and Jake Marisnick are each on track to be free agents after the 2020 season, and even if the Astros manage to extend or re-sign Springer there will be plenty of room in the outfield for Tucker.
A counter-argument would be that the Astros should trade Tucker while he’s crushing the ball. His 23 home runs in Triple A are tied with Alvarez for the most in the minors this season and he enters Monday with a .287/.360/.649 line in 285 plate appearances. That’s all after a terrible April, too. Since May 1, he has a 1.213 OPS in 195 plate appearances.
Really, much of the debate boils down to what the Astros really think Tucker’s ceiling to be. But given the front office’s track record of holding onto most of its elite prospects, especially on the position player side, I would be surprised if Tucker wasn’t with the Astros on Aug 01
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Doesn't surprise me. He was the one I would have targeted. Minimal cost if Seattle eats a lot of his contract, the price in terms of prospect would have been low. The big issue was how much Seattle was willing to eat in terms of salary and I agree with Houston not wanting to eat too much of that contract. They need that money for the trade deadline deals that might bring them back some arms.
Surprises me unless they planned to keep Alvarez in AAA all year.
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Surprises me unless they planned to keep Alvarez in AAA all year.
I think Encarnacion would have been a great pickup regardless. He does play first base and also hits as a DH. To me, that is an upgrade from Tyler White. I don't know if they are thinking of Alvarez as a 1st baseman and keeping their options open for Gurriel as a swingman at third, second, first and DH. I think Correa is a concern regardless and you need to have the flexibility to put Bregman at short when and if the time is needed because Mr. Glass... err... I mean, Correa is hurt again. Alvarez, to me, has to be able to play a position and they probably thought giving him more time in AAA as a LF was a better plan. My speculation is that Encarnacion was the key replacement for White and made all the other avenues viable (re: Yuli, et. al.) But plan B of course is Alvarez is here and to stay apparently from the talk coming from Luhnow right now.
Either way, it was a sound idea on both fronts. But Alvarez presents a different avenue to being a 1 to 1 replacement for White. I think you might see Reddick get more 1st base duty because of it or maybe even Brantly.
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Brantley has never played first in the majors. But assuming he could, if you had to snag an outfielder and put him at first, he'd be the more logical option than Reddick.
Does anyone know if Brantley saw any time at first in the spring?
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Brantley has never played first in the majors. But assuming he could, if you had to snag an outfielder and put him at first, he'd be the more logical option than Reddick.
Does anyone know if Brantley saw any time at first in the spring?
I swear I remember his agent saying he was at least willing to play first base...this prior to his signing with the Good Guys.
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I swear I remember his agent saying he was at least willing to play first base...this prior to his signing with the Good Guys.
You and Chuck are correct, he's probably the better of the options to move someone to first base as an alternative to Tyler White. It was Ken Rosenthal in the Atletic (https://www.neosportsinsiders.com/report-michael-brantley-open-to-playing-first-base/)who reported that Uncle Mike's reps told teams courting Mike during his free agency that he was open to playing first base. According to Rosenthal, Michael Brantly played 53 games at 1B in the minors in 2007-08.
Another speculation that came out today on the MLB site is Howie Kendrick (https://www.mlb.com/news/howie-kendrick-is-a-great-trade-fit-for-many-teams). Mike Petriello speculates on Kendrick's value to every contending team.
Now we've found something unique. Now we've found Howie Kendrick, who has gone from "longtime reliably steady Angels second baseman" to "useful bit player on playoff teams in Los Angeles and Washington" to "an outfielder, for some reason" to "suffering possibly career-ending Achilles injury" last year, and now, apparently, a multi-positional impact player and potentially very desirable trade candidate.
Here is why he thinks he would have value to the Houston Astros:
Astros: Do the Astros need another bat? When everyone is healthy, perhaps not, but they were also reportedly in on Encarnacion, in part because Tyler White is hitting just .229/.329/.326 (79 OPS+) and Yuli Gurriel isn't doing much better at .255/.288/.390 (80 OPS+). Rookie sensation Yordan Alvarez may solve the DH issues, but only three teams are getting less out of first base, and no team is getting less from their bench.
He end's his summation this way:
That's not a complete list, nor is it intended to be. You could see the Braves having bad memories about their completely non-existent bench from last year's postseason. You could imagine the Twins wanting to go all in on bats. You could see the Phillies being interested in a return engagement since neither Maikel Franco nor Cesar Hernandez have been terribly impressive.
That's the point, really. Kendrick, a highly regarded veteran with postseason experience, the ability to play several positions, and all of a sudden pounding the ball, would be highly coveted by a number of teams. He's the kind of player every contender wants. He's the kind of player that's so often so hard to find, even though the price is rarely that high.
So several points about acquiring Hendrick as an option for the bench:
1. You are worried Almedys Diaz is not going to recover from his hamstring issue because it's probably a tear and not a strain he's dealing with.
2. You want a stronger bench and perhaps a combination of Kendrick and Miles Straw gets you the type of bench you need (if you're going to carry 13 pitchers). Having Jake Marisnick is a luxury of sorts since you are basically conceding that you can afford a defensive specialist on the bench. That was cool when you had Marwin Gonzalez on the team (and to some extent when Diaz started to hit and become the replacement for Marwin on the team).
The injuries to key players and to your bench (in terms of Diaz) has exposed Tyler White, Gurriel, Marisnick and Kemp so far. None of them have performed enough to distinguish themselves as viable playoff team role players because they are being asked to perform as starters and not where they may add value best (as bench players). Expecting everyone to return as 100% who they were may be asking too much but then again, it may be what carries the day for the Astros. But right now, Houston has role players as starters and that is asking a lot of them. In terms of White and Gurriel, they are not role players, they are being asked to be starters on this team regardless (DH and 1st base) and it's a concern right now.
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According to this, Astros interested in Matt Boyd, but won't give up Tucker for him. (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-rumors-astros-interested-in-trade-for-tigers-matt-boyd-but-unwilling-to-deal-kyle-tucker/)
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I am not suggesting Boyd is worth Tucker, but if Tucker is not available for a top of the rotation pitcher, what is the plan for him?
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I am not suggesting Boyd is worth Tucker, but if Tucker is not available for a top of the rotation pitcher, what is the plan for him?
And Boyd is exactly the type of player that the Astros would love to have, under control for 3 years and easily improved by the analytics dept just like Verlander & Cole. I'd give up Tucker for him in a heartbeat, especially since Cole is gone after this year.
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I obviously have no insight into this, but could this (Tucker is untouchable) just be standard negotiating fare. I've never seen Boyd, or at least i don't recall him; is he a difference maker or just a solid arm?
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I obviously have no insight into this, but could this (Tucker is untouchable) just be standard negotiating fare. I've never seen Boyd, or at least i don't recall him; is he a difference maker or just a solid arm?
I think he is just a solid arm, but a solid arm at the back of our rotation right now would be a difference maker. Boyd in our 4 or 5 hole would be a pretty big move, but I’m not totally sold on giving up Tucker for him......just yet.
I’m betting the negotiation with the Tigers will be a difficult one.
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And Boyd is exactly the type of player that the Astros would love to have, under control for 3 years and easily improved by the analytics dept just like Verlander & Cole. I'd give up Tucker for him in a heartbeat, especially since Cole is gone after this year.
Maybe Cole will leave, but I am not convinced he will. I hasten to add I thought Morton was a lifer too.
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And Boyd is exactly the type of player that the Astros would love to have, under control for 3 years and easily improved by the analytics dept just like Verlander & Cole. I'd give up Tucker for him in a heartbeat, especially since Cole is gone after this year.
Why are you so certain that Cole will leave? You think someone will throw crazy money at him? Or some other reason?
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I obviously have no insight into this, but could this (Tucker is untouchable) just be standard negotiating fare. I've never seen Boyd, or at least i don't recall him; is he a difference maker or just a solid arm?
I'm hoping that stating Tucker is not available for a Boyd type pitcher is just standard negotiating.
Scouting reports indicate he's a flyball pitcher.
Past seasons he's been ok and has never had that high of a pedigree. Seems he's made some changes in 2019 and it's paying off with positive results.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/here-are-a-few-things-about-matthew-boyd/
After splitting time between the majors and Triple-A in 2016 and 2017, 2018 showed some promise for Boyd. His strikeout rate went up and his walk rate went down. His home run rate also went up and while overall he took a step forward as a decent rotation guy for the Tigers, there was room to improve.
And so far in 2019, Boyd has been a strikeout machine. In three starts, Boyd has racked up 40.3% strikeout rate, the second highest rate the majors behind Blake Snell
This report was written Apr 16. He's number 8 on the strikeout list now.
Also for the 2019 season:
He’s throwing his fastballs higher and burying his sliders way, way lower. Also noteworthy is that he’s avoiding the middle part of the plate more than he did last year.
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Maybe Cole will leave, but I am not convinced he will. I hasten to add I thought Morton was a lifer too.
It seems to me that guys they want to keep beyond their current contract have already signed. Verlander, Bregman, Altuve vs Cole, Correa, Springer.
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Why are you so certain that Cole will leave? You think someone will throw crazy money at him? Or some other reason?
Gut feeling, combined with most the professional prognosticators putting him atop the offseason FA list. Luhnow & Crane have extended several important players who are already under contract, but they haven't re-signed anyone as important as a #2 starter who made it all the way to free agency.
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I really wish we had signed CFM. On a related note, check this out:
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1146224394940964869?s=21
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Maybe Cole will leave, but I am not convinced he will. I hasten to add I thought Morton was a lifer too.
Man, I hope you are right. I have heard he wants to be back on the west coast.
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It seems to me that guys they want to keep beyond their current contract have already signed. Verlander, Bregman, Altuve vs Cole, Correa, Springer.
Why in the world would they not want to keep Springer and Cole?
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Why in the world would they not want to keep Springer and Cole?
I’m sure they WANT to, but unless Crane changes his mind and decides to blow past the tax threshold, I doubt the money is there for both.
If it was me, I’d sign Springer and let Cole make his dollars elsewhere, but that’s just me.
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Why in the world would they not want to keep Springer and Cole?
I don't know motivations. I'm only commenting on what they've done and haven't done.
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According to this, Astros interested in Matt Boyd, but won't give up Tucker for him. (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-rumors-astros-interested-in-trade-for-tigers-matt-boyd-but-unwilling-to-deal-kyle-tucker/)
What is Boyd's spin rate?
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What is Boyd's spin rate?
2019
https://maxssportingstudio.com/2019/04/06/the-spin-behind-matt-boyds-early-season-success/
Fastball: 2409 RPM (13th out of 86 pitchers [who have thrown at least 100 pitches (complete pitch mix)]; 84.9 percentile)
Curveball: 2233 RPM (67th out of 83 pitchers; 19.3 percentile)
Slider: 2398 RPM (32nd out of 75 pitchers; 57.3 percentile)
He’s throwing both his slider and fastball with a lot more spin. Although Boyd’s curveball generates less spin than most other curveballs, it has become an even more effective pitch for him. Here are two potential reasons as to why…
There is a greater variation in spin between his curveball and slider (2018: 46 RPM difference vs 2019: 155 RPM difference) now.
His fastball has more spin (more of a rising effect), which gives the curveball a different look.
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In Luhnow I trust.
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I’m sure they WANT to, but unless Crane changes his mind and decides to blow past the tax threshold, I doubt the money is there for both.
If it was me, I’d sign Springer and let Cole make his dollars elsewhere, but that’s just me.
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Why do you have to choose? It always is “just you.”
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In Luhnow I trust.
Yep, but not blindly or without thinking about it.
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I am not suggesting Boyd is worth Tucker, but if Tucker is not available for a top of the rotation pitcher, what is the plan for him?
Once Brantley and Reddick are gone (whenever that is), are they envisioning Tucker, Alvarez, and Springer as their OF?
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To trade or not to trade Tucker?
There are at least 5 pitchers that I’m betting Houston has or will kick the tires on. They are, in no particular order...
1. Bumgarner
2. Boyd
3. Stroman
4. Ray
5. Syndargaard
Most everyone I’ve heard in the industry thinks the first 4 are available. Most of those same people think the Mets will make Thor available come late July to get something for him since it is unlikely they will be able to afford him in an extension. All have their pluses and minuses. Boyd and Ray are interesting because as lefties, one of them or Miley could go to the bullpen if we are fortunate enough to make the playoffs. That could be a big factor in what we do. Bumgarner, Syndargaard and Stroman have the better pedigrees but madbum and Thor have injury concerns.
Bumgarner should be the cheapest to acquire since he is a rental. Luhnow may go that route and I think he’d fit in great with Verlander and Cole. Having said that, I’m betting Jeff would prefer to kill two birds with one stone and acquire a pitcher with control to pair with Verlander and McCullers next year (assuming we don’t sign Cole, which I don’t think we will). If I’m right, that points more towards Boyd, Stroman and Syndargaard. Boyd has 3 years left after this season, Thor 2 and Stroman 1.
I think I would deal Tucker to get Syndargaard in a heartbeat. I know it would take more than Tucker even but sign me up. Thor is a power arm cut from the same cloth as Verlander and Cole. I’d pull that trigger and we would have him for 2 more years. He’s done it in the playoffs as well.
I would probably put Tucker in a Stroman deal, but I would be unlikely to include much in the way of quality prospects with him because I’m only getting Stroman for 1 more season.
I’m not inclined to move Tucker for Boyd UNLESS, it is Tucker for Boyd straight up, no other players going to Detroit. Even then, I’d be hesitant. Boyd had a bad month of June. To this point, he hasn’t shown dominate type stuff and hasn’t done it on the big stage. But there is something to be said for a quality, relatively cheap pitcher, that you will have for 3 more years. Barring injury there is some certainty there and who knows what Tucker will or won’t do?
I wouldn’t move Tucker for Ray in any type of deal and I wouldn’t trade him for Bumgarner straight up. Too much to ask for a rental.
Luhnow almost pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a trade for Harper last year that would have come out of nowhere. I’m thinking, I’m hoping, acquiring Syndargaard will be this year’s magic trick.
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Why do you have to choose? It always is “just you.”
I’m just telling you my opinion Jim. Luhnow nor Crane care what you or I think. But we can still have our opinions.
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If we are going to play the Tucker card, it better to get a player/pitcher who will be here at least 3 years, is a dominant player, and we can control the wages enough to sign one or both of Springer/Correa.
That said, there is nothing written that Cole will be with us long term ---> so any trade for a pitcher must accommodate the notion that we will need a top flight hurler to go with our young and productive hitting (imo).
Bumgarner, Stroman, and Boyd do not really fit the bill here.
DeGrom
Sherzer
Syndegaard if healthy
Seem better fits.
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It seems to me that guys they want to keep beyond their current contract have already signed. Verlander, Bregman, Altuve vs Cole, Correa, Springer.
Looking back at some of the reports written about extension negotiations before the season, I have to agree.
From the below, Cole indicates that he hadn't received any offers at the time of the article.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/latest-on-extension-talks-between-justin-verlander-astros.html
Cole seems to have snuffed out any possibility of a deal coming together in his case. He says “there have been no contract negotiations,” as Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle reports.
The hurler indicated some displeasure with the situation. He tells Rome that the team asked, and he gave permission to hold a discussion with agent Scott Boras. But there was never any talk beyond that per Cole, who says “this seems more like a phone call negotiation involving the media than anyone else.”
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I always wonder if they don't have every confidence in Cole's temperament.
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I always wonder if they don't have every confidence in Cole's temperament.
I've never seen any indication of problems in his temperament. I've always liked his mound presence. Seems calm for the most part. I can think of a few games early in the season I felt the ump (Kulpa?) was squeezing him with the strike zone & he was visibly upset...not overly upset. Until he threw what he knew would be his last pitch. Then you could see him make a bee line to the HP ump, giving him his thoughts. To me, that showed an extreme amount of restraint in a era that many are showing "personality".
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I always wonder if they don't have every confidence in Cole's temperament.
I think that's just his work temperament and I like my big fireballers to have a little nasty disposition on work days. Off the field, he seems to me, to be a laid back California guy of which one of his passions is wine.
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I've never seen any indication of problems in his temperament. I've always liked his mound presence. Seems calm for the most part. I can think of a few games early in the season I felt the ump (Kulpa?) was squeezing him with the strike zone & he was visibly upset...not overly upset. Until he threw what he knew would be his last pitch. Then you could see him make a bee line to the HP ump, giving him his thoughts. To me, that showed an extreme amount of restraint in a era that many are showing "personality".
That Culpa game was an outlier for both Cole and Culpa.
Cole doesn't interact *that* much with HPUs though he will visibly show frustration at times. Make no mistake, he was freaking pissed in that game. And Culpa doesn't usually miss calls that egregiously, or bait players/coaches/managers that blatantly.
If they have misgivings about Cole, it's likely simply related to whatever math they use to correlate predicted on field performance to cost.
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Make no mistake, he was freaking pissed in that game.
He obviously (and rightfully) had much to say and he still held his tongue until he knew he threw his last pitch. To me that indicates much maturity.
If they have misgivings about Cole, it's likely simply related to whatever math they use to correlate predicted on field performance to cost.
This
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Once Brantley and Reddick are gone (whenever that is), are they envisioning Tucker, Alvarez, and Springer as their OF?
The contracts for Brantley, Reddick, and Springer expire after the 2020 season.
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The Kulpa game to me is less instructive than the ALCS start: wound up + bad luck + unforced error = Houston behind the 8 ball.
I wonder if they trust him in big games yet, is what I meant, and I'm not sure I see a good reason why they would.
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The Kulpa game to me is less instructive than the ALCS start: wound up + bad luck + unforced error = Houston behind the 8 ball.
I wonder if they trust him in big games yet, is what I meant, and I'm not sure I see a good reason why they would.
Are you serious? JV did not win in the WS. He lost to Boston in the ALCS. Do they trust him?
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Are you serious? JV did not win in the WS. He lost to Boston in the ALCS. Do they trust him?
Just floating it. Does Cole have any track record of success in the postseason? JV certainly does.
I know it isn't wise to extrapolate from one start--much less one inning--but that Game 2 start of his has had an overlarge presence in my own memory. I can't remember how he handled himself in his consecutive WC matchups against Arietta.
Just throwing it out there as a possible contributing factor to their seeming disinterest in resigning him.
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Just floating it. Does Cole have any track record of success in the postseason? JV certainly does.
I know it isn't wise to extrapolate from one start--much less one inning--but that Game 2 start of his has had an overlarge presence in my own memory. I can't remember how he handled himself in his consecutive WC matchups against Arietta.
Just throwing it out there as a possible contributing factor to their seeming disinterest in resigning him.
WTF? Seeming disinterest? He is the one, not the club. Crane said he and JV would be extended. Cole put the brakes on that talk. How you could turn that into “the Astros doubt his temperament” is beyond me.
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Just floating it. Does Cole have any track record of success in the postseason? JV certainly does.
I know it isn't wise to extrapolate from one start--much less one inning--but that Game 2 start of his has had an overlarge presence in my own memory. I can't remember how he handled himself in his consecutive WC matchups against Arietta.
Just throwing it out there as a possible contributing factor to their seeming disinterest in resigning him.
You know who didn't have a good postseason track record?
David Price. Worked out for the BoSox though, didn't he?
162 game regular season, 19 game (max) postseason.
If there's a performance question they have, it's informed by their biggest pile of data, not the smallest.
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WTF? Seeming disinterest? He is the one, not the club. Crane said he and JV would be extended. Cole put the brakes on that talk. How you could turn that into “the Astros doubt his temperament” is beyond me.
I remember Cole saying that they hadn't been approached and that they would welcome any conversation. I guess that's not your memory.
ETA: https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Gerrit-Cole-says-no-current-contract-talks-with-13709570.php
That's the last I saw of it.
Either way, I take it you aren't concerned with Cole on the bump in the postseason and don't think the Astros are either. Fair 'nuff.
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You know who didn't have a good postseason track record?
David Price. Worked out for the BoSox though, didn't he?
162 game regular season, 19 game (max) postseason.
If there's a performance question they have, it's informed by their biggest pile of data, not the smallest.
I looked it up. Cole's 2-3 with a 3.72 ERA in 5 postseason starts. Not bad, not great.
Price for sure worked out. But--and maybe this is just me--he strikes me as a calmer presence on the mound than Cole. He's also five years older.
That said, I'm sure you're right. Reddick's history of failure in the clutch certainly didn't stop them inking him, and I'm glad as hell it didn't.
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Just floating it. Does Cole have any track record of success in the postseason? JV certainly does.
I know it isn't wise to extrapolate from one start--much less one inning--but that Game 2 start of his has had an overlarge presence in my own memory. I can't remember how he handled himself in his consecutive WC matchups against Arietta.
Just throwing it out there as a possible contributing factor to their seeming disinterest in resigning him.
Rather small sample sizes in Post-Season to extrapolate a post-season Cole opinion. I would trust him in post-season in a heartbeat.
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I remember Cole saying that they hadn't been approached and that they would welcome any conversation. I guess that's not your memory.
ETA: https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Gerrit-Cole-says-no-current-contract-talks-with-13709570.php
That's the last I saw of it.
Either way, I take it you aren't concerned with Cole on the bump in the postseason and don't think the Astros are either. Fair 'nuff.
There was probably a typo in his gmial address.
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I think that Cole is going to get a shit-ton of money thrown at him this offseason and the Astros won't want to spend that much -- his performance having nothing to do with it.
I do not believe that the Astros will trade Tucker and that they will want him to start next season in RF.
The Astros were hoping that they could trade Reddick last offseason but that didn't happen -- he still had $26 million owed to him and his offensive numbers (outside of HRs) were down. My guess is that they will try again this offseason to open up a spot for Tucker. Reddick will be more easily tradeable this offseason.
The Astros need starting pitching and a reliever. I don't believe they will trade Tucker for a starter. The available starters just aren't good enough.
I'm thinking that the Astros end up trading for Greinke with the Diamondbacks picking up half of his remaining contract. The Astros are not on Greinke's 15-team no-trade list. Not sure who the Astros will trade in return but it won't be any of their top 5 prospects. Greinke is under control through 2021.
So my guess is that the outfield for next season is Brantley, Springer, Tucker with Alvarez as the DH and part-time left-fielder. Gurriel will start at first (glad that he's hitting again so people can stop busting on him -- he's just fine) with the idea that Beer will replace him in 2021.
The rotation for next season will be Verlander, Greinke, McCullers and name your two other starters, but that's a really good top-3.
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I think that Cole is going to get a shit-ton of money thrown at him this offseason and the Astros won't want to spend that much -- his performance having nothing to do with it.
I do not believe that the Astros will trade Tucker and that they will want him to start next season in RF.
The Astros were hoping that they could trade Reddick last offseason but that didn't happen -- he still had $26 million owed to him and his offensive numbers (outside of HRs) were down. My guess is that they will try again this offseason to open up a spot for Tucker. Reddick will be more easily tradeable this offseason.
The Astros need starting pitching and a reliever. I don't believe they will trade Tucker for a starter. The available starters just aren't good enough.
I'm thinking that the Astros end up trading for Greinke with the Diamondbacks picking up half of his remaining contract. The Astros are not on Greinke's 15-team no-trade list. Not sure who the Astros will trade in return but it won't be any of their top 5 prospects. Greinke is under control through 2021.
So my guess is that the outfield for next season is Brantley, Springer, Tucker with Alvarez as the DH and part-time left-fielder. Gurriel will start at first (glad that he's hitting again so people can stop busting on him -- he's just fine) with the idea that Beer will replace him in 2021.
The rotation for next season will be Verlander, Greinke, McCullers and name your two other starters, but that's a really good top-3.
Even with Grienke’s massively bloated contract, Arizona’s payroll is only in the neighborhood of $125M. I could be wrong, but I don’t think they are in dire straits financially and only have $67M committed for next season. If I’m the D-Backs and you expect me to eat half the money in a Grienke deal, then you are definitely giving me Whitley or Tucker in the deal or I’m hanging up.
I think the emergence of Alvarez could quite possibly change the Tucker equation. While I don’t the Houston will move Tucker for just anyone, I think they will move him for a top flight pitcher with control. I’m going on record as saying the Mets will move Syndargaard by July 31 and we send Tucker to them for Thor.
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The kid’s name is Whitley, Mr. GM.
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The kid’s name is Whitley, Mr. GM.
Sorry for the innocent typo. Thanks, Mr. .......
Never mind, it isn’t worth it.
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Sorry for the innocent typo. Thanks, Mr. .......
Never mind, it isn’t worth it.
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WFW
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WFW
Fuck you old man.
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Fuck you old man.
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Hahahaha. So weak.
Like your “they go on forever” posts.
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Hahahaha. So weak.
Like your “they go on forever” posts.
[emoji23]
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Miley also looking like he might get a fat contract. What are the chances of re-upping him?
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Miley also looking like he might get a fat contract. What are the chances of re-upping him?
I was a little disappointed that management did get a club option for '20 included in the current deal. I'm sure they tried...
Would love him back at the right price.
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An interesting tidbit I’ve heard is both the Yankees and Twins have inquired about a Stroman/Giles package. I’m sure Ross Atkins would prefer to maximize the returns separately, however.
https://twitter.com/ScottyMitchTSN/status/1148267597957423105
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Ken Rosenthal says the "Astros, Twins, Braves and Brewers are among the clubs interested in Bumgarner" -- no mention of what the return might be:
https://theathletic.com/1067296/2019/07/08/rosenthal-the-market-for-bumgarner-the-cubs-true-talent-level-the-yankees-search-for-pitching-more-notes/
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Ken Rosenthal says the "Astros, Twins, Braves and Brewers are among the clubs interested in Bumgarner" -- no mention of what the return might be:
https://theathletic.com/1067296/2019/07/08/rosenthal-the-market-for-bumgarner-the-cubs-true-talent-level-the-yankees-search-for-pitching-more-notes/
MLB Radio speculating that Giants could be asking something similar to what Cubs gave up for Chapman. Torres was a level 55 prospect they said at the time. If you check our prospects currently ranked in the 50-55 range you would have....
Martin
JBB
Nova
Abreu
Beer
Solomon
I’m not sure that I’d evaluate him like Chapman but just repeating what I heard.
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Ken Rosenthal says the "Astros, Twins, Braves and Brewers are among the clubs interested in Bumgarner" -- no mention of what the return might be:
https://theathletic.com/1067296/2019/07/08/rosenthal-the-market-for-bumgarner-the-cubs-true-talent-level-the-yankees-search-for-pitching-more-notes/
Saw a video and I think it was Rosenthal, saying might be a return similar to what the Rangers got for Yu Darvish which, if that's true then sign me up
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Saw a video and I think it was Rosenthal, saying might be a return similar to what the Rangers got for Yu Darvish which, if that's true then sign me up
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Me too. But I'd hope for a better result from Bumgarner than what the Dodgers got from Darvish.
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From The Athletic about Matthew Boyd, and how the Astros could be the ideal fit for him:
It starts with defense. According to Baseball Info Solutions, the Astros’ defense has saved nearly 100 more runs than Detroit’s has, hinting at the huge run-prevention boost Boyd could get in Houston. Drill down deeper, and we could see the Astros’ vaunted pitching brain trust get even more out of Boyd’s excellent stuff. A fastball-slider pitcher, Boyd’s allowed opponents to hit a respectable .252 with a .456 slugging average against his four-seamer this year. If the Astros can coax more movement out of that fastball while offering the security blanket of excellent outfield defense, we could see Boyd throw more frequent heaters with serious ride on them, resulting in more harmless fly outs and more swings and misses, if all goes according to plan.
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From The Athletic about Matthew Boyd, and how the Astros could be the ideal fit for him:
I like MadBum but am really hoping we land Boyd so we have another arm locked up in the rotation heading into next season. I'm hearing it will be a haul to get him...not sure what that means but I'm hoping Luhnow can pull something off.
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It's from Sherman in the NY Post, but the Stros are "said to be among the most interested teams" inquiring about Trevor Bauer.
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Gammons just said on the Mad Dog show that he thinks the Astros are going end up with Stroman -- that the Astros want him as much as they wanted Verlander a couple of years ago. FWIW
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It's from Sherman in the NY Post, but the Stros are "said to be among the most interested teams" inquiring about Trevor Bauer.
That would be surprising since the Indians are firmly in the playoff picture. As in not in the hunt but actually in right now. How would you ever explain that to your fans?
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That would be surprising since the Indians are firmly in the playoff picture. As in not in the hunt but actually in right now. How would you ever explain that to your fans?
Easier than explaining it to Cole and Bregman.
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Easier than explaining it to Cole and Bregman.
I thought Bregman and Bauer were bros. Cole of course not so much.
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I thought Bregman and Bauer were bros. Cole of course not so much.
If bros engage in Twitter wars, then they may be.
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If bros engage in Twitter wars, then they may be.
I thought so, but I guess not. For some reason I was under the impression that they worked out together in the offseason, but google has disabused me of that notion.
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the Red Sox just got Andrew Cashner from the Orioles.
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the Red Sox just got Andrew Cashner from the Orioles.
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Crap.
He was one of my darkhorse candidates for the Astros.
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Crap.
He was one of my darkhorse candidates for the Astros.
Mine too. He would’ve looked pretty good in the 5 hole of our rotation. Since June 1 he’s got an ERA under 2. Quietly been one of the top starters in baseball this season.
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One of my sources says that the team is on the verge of acquiring Homer Bailey and will DFA Kemp.
Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.
At least you can say that a dude named Homer would slide right in to this rotation.
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One of my sources says that the team is on the verge of acquiring Homer Bailey and will DFA Kemp.
Bailey's been scratched from his start today.
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One of my sources says that the team is on the verge of acquiring Homer Bailey and will DFA Kemp.
Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.
At least you can say that a dude named Homer would slide right in to this rotation.
Word is Bailey to the A's
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A's Twitter says they have him:
https://twitter.com/AthleticsPR/status/1150468788283834368?s=19 (https://twitter.com/AthleticsPR/status/1150468788283834368?s=19)
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Luhnow just said Peacock will not make his start tomorrow as planned. Valdez will make the start. He then stated the obvious, “we probably need to be looking at external options.”
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Apparently the A's totally blindsided the Astros. They had already told Kemp he was DFA'd.
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I dont understand why the Astros sent down Sneed. He has pitched way better than Valdez and should be getting the start.
As for Bailey, glad the Astros didn't get him.
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Apparently the A's totally blindsided the Astros. They had already told Kemp he was DFA'd.
I hope your source was wrong. No rational team DFAs Kemp before White, or tells someone they’re gone until the ink on the deal is dry.
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I hope your source was wrong. No rational team DFAs Kemp before White, or tells someone they’re gone until the ink on the deal is dry.
This.
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Like I said, don't shoot ME.
Here's the latest:
"we are about to take on a big contract"
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another deal?
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Like I said, don't shoot ME.
Here's the latest:
"we are about to take on a big contract"
Greinke...?
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Trout got pulled from the game....
Chuck, please tell me it’s happening
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Trout got pulled from the game....
"We got fucked on Bailey. Time to get the next best thing."
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Scherzer was the name that was speculated by the person who relays the information but as far as I can tell that is nothing more than a wild ass guess based on who might be available and has a big contract.
Can Trout pitch? Probably can. I haven't seen much of anything he can't do on a baseball field.
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Trout got pulled from the game....
Chuck, please tell me it’s happening
There's no place for him.
[ducks]
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There's no place for him.
[ducks]
Platoon with Reddick.
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Just another day at the office for Marisnick...
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Luhnow just said Peacock will not make his start tomorrow as planned. Valdez will make the start. He then stated the obvious, “we probably need to be looking at external options.”
Jake Kaplan of The Athletic reports that "Peacock reported some soreness in his shoulder after throwing batting practice Saturday, July 13, and is scheduled to meet with team doctors. "
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So glad they didn't get Bailey. My wish list in order of most wanted. Scherzer, Bumgarner, Bauer, Stroman.
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So glad they didn't get Bailey. My wish list in order of most wanted. Scherzer, Bumgarner, Bauer, Stroman.
As of right now the Nationals are in the postseason so I don't think they'll be dealing their ace.
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As of right now the Nationals are in the postseason so I don't think they'll be dealing their ace.
And that is alot of $$$. $45M per (with some amount deferred through 2028 season).
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I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm going to leave this name here: Jeff Samardzija Astros scouts are everywhere, and his spin rate is right up there with Verlander and Cole.
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I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm going to leave this name here: Jeff Samardzija Astros scouts are everywhere, and his spin rate is right up there with Verlander and Cole.
19.8 million this year and next year. 17th highest for starting pitchers.
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I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm going to leave this name here: Jeff Samardzija Astros scouts are everywhere, and his spin rate is right up there with Verlander and Cole.
I’ve thought about him and it is well known that the Astros were high on him a couple years ago. Some of his numbers are decent but the dollars are the problem as I see it. You’d have to get the Giants to eat a big chunk of that which I would think would cost you more from a prospect perspective.
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I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm going to leave this name here: Jeff Samardzija Astros scouts are everywhere, and his spin rate is right up there with Verlander and Cole.
I’m a little concerned about where we turn, though I’m sure Luhnow will come through. When you look around the league there simply aren’t many “quality” pitchers available.
Stroman
Ray
Bumgarner
Wheeler (now on the IL)
Boyd
That is probably the five best who are thought to be available as I type. And you have the Astros, Yankees, Twins, Phillies, Rays, Brewers, Braves, etc all looking for starting pitching. It sure looks like the price will be steep and will only go up as each one comes off the board. If Bauer and Syndargaard are not made available in the next couple of weeks the supply is thin.
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I’ve thought about him and it is well known that the Astros were high on him a couple years ago. Some of his numbers are decent but the dollars are the problem as I see it. You’d have to get the Giants to eat a big chunk of that which I would think would cost you more from a prospect perspective.
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That would solve one of the needs for a BOR innings-eater.
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That would solve one of the needs for a BOR innings-eater.
It would, and we need a guy like that. I REALLY wanted them to go after Cashner. Wouldn’t he look great right now in the 4 or 5 hole and he was CHEAP!
If the Giants would eat the remainder of this year’s salary you could get him without going over the cap possibly. As far as we know publicly, Crane still won’t go over. If so, you would have him for one more year at almost $20M. What would you give up prospect wise for that? You might be able to give up less than what it would take to acquire say Robbie Ray, because you take the full salary next year? Other teams may not go after him because of the dollars so you may not have to give up as much to get him.
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Something needs to happen ASAP before the rotation rolls back to 4 and 5.
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Something needs to happen ASAP before the rotation rolls back to 4 and 5.
I agree Jim. Surly the powers that be will not allow us to go thru the 4 and 5 hole abyss again. Hoping we have some movement today or tomorrow.
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Something needs to happen ASAP before the rotation rolls back to 4 and 5.
The schedule has worked against them with this dilemma. In the middle of 14 straight games post ASB.
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If the Astros are going to get Samardzija, I would want another starting pitcher as well. But Samardzija would partly solve the immediate issue.
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If the Astros are going to get Samardzija, I would want another starting pitcher as well. But Samardzija would partly solve the immediate issue.
I agree.
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If the Astros are going to get Samardzija, I would want another starting pitcher as well. But Samardzija would partly solve the immediate issue.
Hmm. A new name just flew by. Don't rule out Gray in Colorado.
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Hmm. A new name just flew by. Don't rule out Gray in Colorado.
Yeah, I’ve thought about him. He’s got as good a numbers as anyone else but I haven’t considered him as available. His WHIP is 1.33 but that is no doubt inflated by Coors.
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Hmm. A new name just flew by. Don't rule out Gray in Colorado.
Flew by where? Gray is good or at least he was.
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I was looking for Sonny Gray, he is having a good year.
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Flew by where? Gray is good or at least he was.
A source but now I found out I'm last on the list getting the info. Apparently there were multiple sites throwing out that idea a day before I got it.
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A source but now I found out I'm last on the list getting the info. Apparently there were multiple sites throwing out that idea a day before I got it.
Ok. Hoping you had inside stuff, not website speculation.
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Yeah, I’ve thought about him. He’s got as good a numbers as anyone else but I haven’t considered him as available. His WHIP is 1.33 but that is no doubt inflated by Coors.
Gray actually is a lot better at Coors than he is on the road. He's a good pitcher, but he's a two-pitch pitcher and the Astros can do better.
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Hmm. A new name just flew by. Don't rule out Gray in Colorado.
Hmmm, that's really interesting. I wonder why Colorado would be looking to move Gray? I know they are not in a great spot this season but they seem to still be in compete mode and Gray still has a few years of team control left.
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Hmmm, that's really interesting. I wonder why Colorado would be looking to move Gray? I know they are not in a great spot this season but they seem to still be in compete mode and Gray still has a few years of team control left.
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Just website bs.
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Gray actually is a lot better at Coors than he is on the road. He's a good pitcher, but he's a two-pitch pitcher and the Astros can do better.
Are the certain types of pitchers that do better at Coors? Haven't heard that.
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Interesting pitching matchups tonight to keep an eye on. You have Boyd versus Bauer and Syndargaard verses Bumgarner.
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Are the certain types of pitchers that do better at Coors? Haven't heard that.
I don't have stats to back it up but I'd think control guys that rely on spotting their fastball, would do better there than more of a breaking ball pitcher.
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I don't have stats to back it up but I'd think control guys that rely on spotting their fastball, would do better there than more of a breaking ball pitcher.
Yeah, it's fastball / sinker / changeup guys. Gray's about a run better at home than on the road in his ERA and it's pretty consistent through his career.
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I can understand someone being relatively better at Coors compared to other pitchers, but his actual ERA is lower at Coors. Maybe you just get used to it and it messes with your pitching everywhere else.
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So now barring any injuries which of course can’t be predicted (offering frito pie to the BBG’s), the remaining moves are to get Correa and Diaz back, option Straw, pray for Peacock’s health and add at least one pitcher via trade?
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I continue to be amazed at Luhnow’s ability to operate in total silence to the outside world. There are zero media rumors about what he is doing.
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I continue to be amazed at Luhnow’s ability to operate in total silence to the outside world. There are zero media rumors about what he is doing.
I sure was surprised when the Verlander deal happened. I had not heard any rumors about him and Houston. Not sure I heard any about him being available.
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I continue to be amazed at Luhnow’s ability to operate in total silence to the outside world. There are zero media rumors about what he is doing.
Remember how no one found out we almost acquired Harper until well after the fact? Well, I’m hoping this silence means Luhnow is working on something REALLY big.
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Luhnow is really going to earn his money this year. The Astros' potential trade partners know their desperate circumstances and are going to drive a hard bargain.
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FWIW, Rosenthal reporting tonight that we have contacted the Mets about Syndergaard.
Then again, we’ve probably contacted a lot of teams about a lot of folks.
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I was listening to WFAN last night, and Steve Sommers suggested that the gamers should trade Syndergaard for Tucker, Whitley, and Yordan. Wow. Anything else?
I could see the Astros trading one of Tucker or Whitley + others for Syndergaard. But I would imagine that any calls about Yordan are very short and usually end with Luhnow laughing maniacally as he hangs up.
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Crazy.
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I was listening to WFAN last night, and Steve Sommers suggested that the gamers should trade Syndergaard for Tucker, Whitley, and Yordan. Wow. Anything else?
I could see the Astros trading one of Tucker or Whitley + others for Syndergaard. But I would imagine that any calls about Yordan are very short and usually end with Luhnow laughing maniacally as he hangs up.
Yaaah, you think we could get Bregman and dat short little guy plus Alvarez for Thor? Imma hang up and listen.
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Yaaah, you think we could get Bregman and dat short little guy plus Alvarez for Thor Thoah? Imma hang up and listen.
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From mlbtraderumors.com
4:03pm: The Mets “want to move” Syndergaard in a trade, a rival evaluator tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). The feeling amongst many outside evaluators is that the Mets are “fully intent” on dealing Syndergaard. As to The Athletic’s Marc Carig hears from a rival executive, the asking price on Syndergaard is something in the range of a top-30 prospect “and a couple of other solid pieces.”
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From mlbtraderumors.com
4:03pm: The Mets “want to move” Syndergaard in a trade, a rival evaluator tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). The feeling amongst many outside evaluators is that the Mets are “fully intent” on dealing Syndergaard. As to The Athletic’s Marc Carig hears from a rival executive, the asking price on Syndergaard is something in the range of a top-30 prospect “and a couple of other solid pieces.”
I would trade Tucker if necessary to get him.
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A couple of things:
1. Any National League team going for Yordan needs to think about it. His hitting talent is and will be amazing and worth a great deal, but what makes him untouchable for the Astros at this point is that we can park him at DH (train him in RF). His production is so much more valuable to us than the Mets or other NL teams (imo). Thus, he's not on the menu even if the Mets want him - makes no sense.
2. Thor would be nice. And I agree with Jim here, that Tucker should be expendable for a top quality pitcher (especially as we do not know what going to happen with Cole and a possible FA treasure of 200M.
3. If we are going to trade for Thor - I hope we could get another bullpen arm to go with him like Seth Lugo.
Lugo & Thor for
Tucker
Toro or Tanileu
Bakauskas/Bielak
Class A prospect
Should get that deal done. If not say goodbye and let the Mets do what they do best (whinge and moan about their luck).
Signed, still bitter 1986 Stros fan. Mike Scott would have won game 7 btfw
4. If we do it piece mail. Then I'd like to go for
A. Amir Garrett - Reds
B. Seth Lugo - Mets
C. Kirby Yates - Padres
*** we have enough hitting (imo).. if we get an injury maybe someone like Merrifield from the Royals (if Correa cannot recuperate).
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Alvarez is untouchable. Other teams should know not to even ask.
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I have a better shot of being put on the Astros 40 man roster than another team does of prying Yordan away from the Astros.
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Lugo and Thor for Tucker. Who says no?
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Lugo and Thor for Tucker. Who says no?
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The Mets?
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Probably depends on what other teams are offering.
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The Mets?
Ok. You’re the Mets. What else do you need to make the deal?
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Ok. You’re the Mets. What else do you need to make the deal?
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Dunno. I just don’t think Tucker alone would get both.
ETA: I try to avoid those national speculation sites because they are only guessing. One today, however, matched up the Astros with Syndergard, Vasquez (Pirates LH reliever), and James McCann. That would be a nice haul.
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Dunno. I just don’t think Tucker alone would get both.
ETA: I try to avoid those national speculation sites because they are only guessing. One today, however, matched up the Astros with Syndergard, Vasquez (Pirates LH reliever), and James McCann. That would be a nice haul.
That would be Christmas in July, but might wipe out the farm system.
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That would be Christmas in July, but might wipe out the farm system.
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Yep. Lotsa players moving, but those are the positions Luhnow wants.
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Probably depends on what other teams are offering.
I’ve heard the Yankees appear to be willing to offer Garcia to get Thor. He’s ranked as #2 pitcher in their system and #3 overall. I guess our comp as a pitcher would be Martin who is out with TJ.
If I’m the Mets I want an outfield bat and an arm, both of them somewhat ready. So....
Tucker, Valdez or James plus another player.
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I’ve heard the Yankees appear to be willing to offer Garcia to get Thor. He’s ranked as #2 pitcher in their system and #3 overall. I guess our comp as a pitcher would be Martin who is out with TJ.
If I’m the Mets I want an outfield bat and an arm, both of them somewhat ready. So....
Tucker, Valdez or James plus another player.
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They are not trading him to the Yankees.
No on James.
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A couple of things:
1. Any National League team going for Yordan needs to think about it. His hitting talent is and will be amazing and worth a great deal, but what makes him untouchable for the Astros at this point is that we can park him at DH (train him in RF). His production is so much more valuable to us than the Mets or other NL teams (imo). Thus, he's not on the menu even if the Mets want him - makes no sense.
2. Thor would be nice. And I agree with Jim here, that Tucker should be expendable for a top quality pitcher (especially as we do not know what going to happen with Cole and a possible FA treasure of 200M.
3. If we are going to trade for Thor - I hope we could get another bullpen arm to go with him like Seth Lugo.
Lugo & Thor for
Tucker
Toro or Tanileu
Bakauskas/Bielak
Class A prospect
Should get that deal done. If not say goodbye and let the Mets do what they do best (whinge and moan about their luck).
Signed, still bitter 1986 Stros fan. Mike Scott would have won game 7 btfw
4. If we do it piece mail. Then I'd like to go for
A. Amir Garrett - Reds
B. Seth Lugo - Mets
C. Kirby Yates - Padres
*** we have enough hitting (imo).. if we get an injury maybe someone like Merrifield from the Royals (if Correa cannot recuperate).
A couple of things:
1. Any National League team going for Yordan needs to think about it. His hitting talent is and will be amazing and worth a great deal, but what makes him untouchable for the Astros at this point is that we can park him at DH (train him in RF). His production is so much more valuable to us than the Mets or other NL teams (imo). Thus, he's not on the menu even if the Mets want him - makes no sense.
2. Thor would be nice. And I agree with Jim here, that Tucker should be expendable for a top quality pitcher (especially as we do not know what going to happen with Cole and a possible FA treasure of 200M.
3. If we are going to trade for Thor - I hope we could get another bullpen arm to go with him like Seth Lugo.
Lugo & Thor for
Tucker
Toro or Tanileu
Bakauskas/Bielak
Class A prospect
Should get that deal done. If not say goodbye and let the Mets do what they do best (whinge and moan about their luck).
Signed, still bitter 1986 Stros fan. Mike Scott would have won game 7 btfw
4. If we do it piece mail. Then I'd like to go for
A. Amir Garrett - Reds
B. Seth Lugo - Mets
C. Kirby Yates - Padres
*** we have enough hitting (imo).. if we get an injury maybe someone like Merrifield from the Royals (if Correa cannot recuperate).
Yordan will be an Astro for at least 7 years. No team would even think about asking for him, they know they would get laughed at.
A package deal for Syndergaard/Lugo would be nice but I don't know that the mets would go for that. If they are winning to do it then great.
The Reds have very little reason to move Garrett unless they think he's not actually very good, he's got 4 more years of team comtrol.
Kirby Yates would be a great addition to the pen but will definitely cost you more than any other reliever on the market. I think the Padres may end up trying to extend him.
Merrifield isn't going anywhere if you believe the reports. His contract is so team friendly that he won't lose value between now and the offseason.
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I’ve heard the Yankees appear to be willing to offer Garcia to get Thor. He’s ranked as #2 pitcher in their system and #3 overall. I guess our comp as a pitcher would be Martin who is out with TJ.
If I’m the Mets I want an outfield bat and an arm, both of them somewhat ready. So....
Tucker, Valdez or James plus another player.
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Highly doubt the Mets would trade one of their biggest stars to the Yankees, talk about a PR nightmare.
Not sure why the Mets would want Framber. The ask would probably be Tucker, Bukauskas and maybe a guy like Fisher or A ball lottery ticket and throw in Kemp for good measure. Now you're close to a deal, I'd say
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Highly doubt the Mets would trade one of their biggest stars to the Yankees, talk about a PR nightmare.
Not sure why the Mets would want Framber. The ask would probably be Tucker, Bukauskas and maybe a guy like Fisher or A ball lottery ticket and throw in Kemp for good measure. Now you're close to a deal, I'd say
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I’d do that in a heartbeat.
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I would trade Tucker if necessary to get him.
In a New York second.
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Highly doubt the Mets would trade one of their biggest stars to the Yankees, talk about a PR nightmare.
Not sure why the Mets would want Framber. The ask would probably be Tucker, Bukauskas and maybe a guy like Fisher or A ball lottery ticket and throw in Kemp for good measure. Now you're close to a deal, I'd say
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i can't see Luhnow giving up both Tucker and Fisher. He's got to keep one for outfield depth in case of injury. I'd do a Tucker/Bukauskus plus Brandon Bielak for him.
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i can't see Luhnow giving up both Tucker and Fisher. He's got to keep one for outfield depth in case of injury. I'd do a Tucker/Bukauskus plus Brandon Bielak for him.
I just hope Tucker still has enough value to be considered the centerpiece of a deal like this. He has not performed well as of late.
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i can't see Luhnow giving up both Tucker and Fisher. He's got to keep one for outfield depth in case of injury. I'd do a Tucker/Bukauskus plus Brandon Bielak for him.
Not a reason to not trade for Syndergard. Diaz and Álvarez can play LF. Ferguson is in RR. Rojas plays LF too. Make the trade and worry about “what ifs” when they happen. He does not need to keep one of those two if the Mets will trade and want them
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Not a reason to not trade for Syndergard. Diaz and Álvarez can play LF. Ferguson is in RR. Rojas plays LF too. Make the trade and worry about “what ifs” when they happen. He does not need to keep one of those two if the Mets will trade and want them
Straw too.
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I just hope Tucker still has enough value to be considered the centerpiece of a deal like this. He has not performed well as of late.
I think he does, he's still soooo young
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Straw too.
Oh, hell yes
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I think he does, he's still soooo young
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I think he may be pouting. A trade could energize him.
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Not a reason to not trade for Syndergard. Diaz and Álvarez can play LF. Ferguson is in RR. Rojas plays LF too. Make the trade and worry about “what ifs” when they happen. He does not need to keep one of those two if the Mets will trade and want them
Ferguson and Rojas are not on the 40-man, and they don't have Fisher's speed. Diaz and Alvarez are not fast like him either. If either Marisnick or Straw go down Fisher would get the call especially in the post-season.
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Ferguson and Rojas are not on the 40-man, and they don't have Fisher's speed. Diaz and Alvarez are not fast like him either. If either Marisnick or Straw go down Fisher would get the call especially in the post-season.
Not a reason to turn down Syndegard.
Crazy really. There are FOUR CFs on this team now. We won the WS with a utility infielder playing LF. I hope Luhnow is not as timid as you think he is.
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I just hope Tucker still has enough value to be considered the centerpiece of a deal like this. He has not performed well as of late.
As mentioned in a Bus Ride thread, the former GMs who now opine on satellite radio all think Tucker is the best prospect with a chance of being traded. That might just be a case of basing it off the final preseason prospect rankings.
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Not a reason to turn down Syndegard.
Crazy really. There are FOUR CFs on this team now.
Agree. And we also don’t know how Luhnow’s long term outlook may influence what he does now.
For example, let’s say the long term budgetary plan excludes the signing of Springer and Correa long term, and they have decided that Springer is the one to keep because of Correa’s fragility. You could give up some prospects now if you know that in the off-season your going to trade Correa with 2 years to play and can restock the system with that deal.
Not saying that’s the plan or what I’d necessarily do, just saying that the organization I’m sure is looking at this deal for how it impacts us now and the future.
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Agree. And we also don’t know how Luhnow’s long term outlook may influence what he does now.
For example, let’s say the long term budgetary plan excludes the signing of Springer and Correa long term, and they have decided that Springer is the one to keep because of Correa’s fragility. You could give up some prospects now if you know that in the off-season your going to trade Correa with 2 years to play and can restock the system with that deal.
Not saying that’s the plan or what I’d necessarily do, just saying that the organization I’m sure is looking at this deal for how it impacts us now and the future.
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Win now is what one does.
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Win now is what one does.
I agree and that was kind of what I was alluding too. I know you don’t care what I think, but I’d make whatever trade I thought I had to in order to win NOW. Give whatever it took, because in the off-season I have a plan to recoup my prospect losses.
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Agree. And we also don’t know how Luhnow’s long term outlook may influence what he does now.
For example, let’s say the long term budgetary plan excludes the signing of Springer and Correa long term, and they have decided that Springer is the one to keep because of Correa’s fragility. You could give up some prospects now if you know that in the off-season your going to trade Correa with 2 years to play and can restock the system with that deal.
Not saying that’s the plan or what I’d necessarily do, just saying that the organization I’m sure is looking at this deal for how it impacts us now and the future.
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I didn't know Springer had told the team he wanted to re-sign?
I love the idea of keeping Springer if possible, though, even if it means there is no $$ for Correa.
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I didn't know Springer had told the team he wanted to re-sign?
I love the idea of keeping Springer if possible, though, even if it means there is no $$ for Correa.
He hasn’t to my knowledge, but if it was me and I could only keep one of them, George is my priority.
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He hasn’t to my knowledge, but if it was me and I could only keep one of them, George is my priority.
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He told the world he does not want to be anywhere else, and he teasingly hinted discussions had occurred.
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He told the world he does not want to be anywhere else, and he teasingly hinted discussions had occurred.
I hadn't heard him say that. That's great.
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Man, I hate the waiting around and silence.
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Not a reason to turn down Syndegard.
Crazy really. There are FOUR CFs on this team now. We won the WS with a utility infielder playing LF. I hope Luhnow is not as timid as you think he is.
I think he's demonstrated a desire to hoard talent.
They did. And in game 5 they needed the last guy on the bench, Fisher, to run home very quickly. If the current rules had been in place in 2017 there would have been no Maybin to play in that game. It would have been Fisher and ? after Marisnick's injury. Hence my thought that Luhnow won't want to give up both Tucker and Fisher this season.
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I think he's demonstrated a desire to hoard talent.
They did. And in game 5 they needed the last guy on the bench, Fisher, to run home very quickly. If the current rules had been in place in 2017 there would have been no Maybin to play in that game. It would have been Fisher and ? after Marisnick's injury. Hence my thought that Luhnow won't want to give up both Tucker and Fisher this season.
You don't think McCann would have scored from second?
/kidding/
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You don't think McCann would have scored from second?
/kidding/
More to the point I'm not sure Aledmys Diaz scores on that play.
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I think he's demonstrated a desire to hoard talent.
They did. And in game 5 they needed the last guy on the bench, Fisher, to run home very quickly. If the current rules had been in place in 2017 there would have been no Maybin to play in that game. It would have been Fisher and ? after Marisnick's injury. Hence my thought that Luhnow won't want to give up both Tucker and Fisher this season.
Straw was not on that team.
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More to the point I'm not sure Aledmys Diaz scores on that play.
Oh, come on. McCann would not have scored but the other position players would. Two out, runner at second leaving on contact. The play was not close. Diaz would have scored.
If a Synderdard deal fails because Luhnow insists on keeping Fisher just in case, I will scream.
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Oh, come on. McCann would not have scored but the other position players would. Two out, runner at second leaving on contact. The play was not close. Diaz would have scored.
If a Synderdard deal fails because Luhnow insists on keeping Fisher just in case, I will scream.
I have confidence Luhnow will get a deal done. He knows the team may never be as strong in future seasons as this one is now. As we move forward, Verlander will be a year older, Cole will mostly be leaving, etc., etc. Now is the time to sacrifice the future for the present IMO.
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I have confidence Luhnow will get a deal done. He knows the team may never be as strong in future seasons as this one is now. As we move forward, Verlander will be a year older, Cole will mostly be leaving, etc., etc. Now is the time to sacrifice the future for the present IMO.
Yep. You never worry about tomorrow (Ronnie? WTF?) when you have a chance to win today.
Maybe Cole leaves; I think he may not.
Pretty funny Jacksonian and I are arguing about Fisher as a pinch runner in the context of a Syndergard deal.
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This Astros team is the best hitting team I've ever seen.
They need another starting pitcher. They desperately need bullpen help.
This is a win-now team for this season and the next. Luhnow knows that. He'll get a deal done.
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its worse than waiting for your grandchild to be born... you can talk all you want but you have no control. In the end tho everything is an amazing result.
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Pretty funny Jacksonian and I are arguing about Fisher as a pinch runner in the context of a Syndergard deal.
Just another reason to love this place.
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Just another reason to love this place.
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Pretty funny Jacksonian and I are arguing about Fisher as a pinch runner in the context of a Syndergard deal.
If arguing about the 25th man is a good sign, how good is arguing about the 30th?
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If arguing about the 25th man is a good sign, how good is arguing about the 30th?
+1
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The newest report out says that while the Twins and the Astros have been the most aggressive pursuers of Noah Syndergaard, the Mets do not feel that either team has the quality major league ready pitching prospect that they are looking for in a return. The Yankees, Padres, Braves and Rays are all viewed by the Mets as better trading partners for Noah Syndargaard per Joel Sherman and Andy Martino. The Astros however are still in the market for Zack Wheeler and will be watching his start tonight very closely as will the Yankees.
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The newest report out says that while the Twins and the Astros have been the most aggressive pursuers of Noah Syndergaard, the Mets do not feel that either team has the quality major league ready pitching prospect that they are looking for in a return. The Yankees, Padres, Braves and Rays are all viewed by the Mets as better trading partners for Noah Syndargaard per Joel Sherman and Andy Martino. The Astros however are still in the market for Zack Wheeler and will be watching his start tonight very closely as will the Yankees.
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They want pitching? So do we.
Thought they wanted a hitter. Can you believe anything the pundits write?”
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They want pitching? So do we.
Thought they wanted a hitter. Can you believe anything the pundits write?”
The only thing I believe at this point is that the Astros scout everywhere.
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They want pitching? So do we.
Thought they wanted a hitter. Can you believe anything the pundits write?”
Probably not, but still interesting to see all of the speculation.
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They want pitching? So do we.
Thought they wanted a hitter. Can you believe anything the pundits write?”
Anything you hear in a poker game or trade talks is pure bullshit.
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One executive who has communicated with the Mets said, “They are definitely trading Syndergaard.”
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The Astros have most fervently pursued Syndergaard, but the Mets’ current stance is that only the Braves and Padres, both with stacked systems, are ideally positioned to obtain the righty.
Link (https://nypost.com/2019/07/26/mets-are-definitely-trading-noah-syndergaard-source/)
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If they require a MLB-ready pitcher, we are toast.
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If they require a MLB-ready pitcher, we are toast.
Give 'em Sneed.
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Zack Wheeler wasn’t exactly shut down in his first start back from injury. Doubt the Mets can get much in the way of high quality for him.
Edit: The reviews were apparently good even though he gave up 3 runs in less than 6 innings. Fastball was consistently at 97, he walked 1 and struck out 7.
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Astros need bullpen help pretty badly too. I’d put their top three in the rotation up against anyone, in terms on the BP we have to be near the bottom of playoff contenders
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Astros need bullpen help pretty badly too. I’d put their top three in the rotation up against anyone, in terms on the BP we have to be near the bottom of playoff contenders
Pressly and Osuna have been great, but they are getting tired.
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Astros need bullpen help pretty badly too. I’d put their top three in the rotation up against anyone, in terms on the BP we have to be near the bottom of playoff contenders
Check out Boston, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, Minnesota, or even the Dodgers bullpens lots of teams need bullpen help. Every team other than the Yankees really.
Looking at the stats, the Astros have the 3rs lowest bullpen ERA in MLB behind only Cleveland and Tampa
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I’m sure some is recency bias, but I just don’t have a great feeling with anyone out of the pen right now. Jim’s right about them being tired and over worked. I just hope they add some life to the pen along with a starter.
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I’m sure some is recency bias, but I just don’t have a great feeling with anyone out of the pen right now. Jim’s right about them being tired and over worked. I just hope they add some life to the pen along with a starter.
I wouldn't mind bullpen help, but adding another reliable starter would in itself provide bullpen help by eliminating the seemingly constant need to have the pen eat up 4 or 5 innings a couple of times a week.
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I wouldn't mind bullpen help, but adding another reliable starter would in itself provide bullpen help by eliminating the seemingly constant need to have the pen eat up 4 or 5 innings a couple of times a week.
The top three starters often only go 6. James is hurt. Peacock is hurt. Devo and Rondon too often are ineffective. McHugh has been hurt and is in love with the sweeping slider. Sneed is a raw rookie.That leaves Harris, Pressly, and Osuna in high leverage games. Besides the wear and tear, they cannot be perfect.
Urquidy has done his part and did so last night. We must have a starter.
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The top three starters often only go 6.
Yes, a "normal" night usually means 3 innings of relief. And if anything goes wrong...
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Any good BP arm acquired is liable to be tired too. Kinda comes with the territory.
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Any good BP arm acquired is liable to be tired too. Kinda comes with the territory.
Exactly right. Tied to the rise of pitch counting and the demise of complete games. A fan unfortunately must accept the occasional meltdown of even a very good bullpen.
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Report I just read says the Astros are “pessimistic” about getting Syndergard. Did not mention any other player they are in on. Lots of the same old guessing about players the Astros might want.
We need an insider here. Published reports guess and speculate.
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Pressly and Osuna have been great, but they are getting tired.
Yes. I didn't see this myself but I saw on another board that Hinch said Pressley didn't look right after last night's game. That can mean a lot of things of course but the first thing I think about is pain or injury.
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Yes. I didn't see this myself but I saw on another board that Hinch said Pressley didn't look right after last night's game. That can mean a lot of things of course but the first thing I think about is pain or injury.
Hinch was not vague. He was talking about Pressly’s right knee injury which shelved him for a few games.
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Hinch was not vague. He was talking about Pressly’s right knee injury which shelved him for a few games.
Ah, thanks. I didn't hear it myself but read it with no explanation.
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The A’s just picked up Jake Diekman.
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Ah, thanks. I didn't hear it myself but read it with no explanation.
Probably the question was about the knee.
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JP Morosi reporting that after last night’s loss in Miami, the Diamondbacks have decided to sell off and will listen on anyone.
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JP Morosi reporting that after last night’s loss in Miami, the Diamondbacks have decided to sell off and will listen on anyone.
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Robbie Ray, come on down.
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Robbie Ray, come on down.
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Yeah, I’d like to have him and he should be cheaper than others we have been linked to. I’ve kind of felt all along that he is the player we end up with.
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Ken Rosenthal says the Astros are mounting a serious push for Marcus Stroman after deciding not to meet the asking price for Syndergaard.
Astros and Blue Jays have a recent trading history so this wouldn’t be surprising.
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Ken Rosenthal says the Astros are mounting a serious push for Marcus Stroman after deciding not to meet the asking price for Syndergaard.
Astros and Blue Jays have a recent trading history so this wouldn’t be surprising.
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What was the price?
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Ken Rosenthal says the Astros are mounting a serious push for Marcus Stroman...
Rosenthal and 'sources' say Stroman is 'among the leading targets' of the Dodgers.
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Rosenthal and 'sources' say Stroman is 'among the leading targets' of the Dodgers.
and all the other teams needing pitching.
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What was the price?
It wasn’t reported. One of those things we probably won’t know until well after the fact.
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It wasn’t reported. One of those things we probably won’t know until well after the fact.
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Widely reported they want a major league ready pitcher. Ain’t one in RR unless they want Whitley despite his issues.
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Tucker had a slam (https://www.milb.com/gameday/express-vs-cubs/2019/07/27/579607#game_state=live,game_tab=,game=579607) tonight; he was 1 for 4 AB.
Visiting RR leading by a familiar score, 8-2, as they bat in the top of the 9th
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What was the price?
Rose that says the Astros backed off when the Mets insisted on Tucker
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Rose that says the Astros backed off when the Mets insisted on Tucker
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Fuck.
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Rose that says the Astros backed off when the Mets insisted on Tucker
That guy had better come up and hit about 40 homers next year.
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That guy had better come up and hit about 40 homers next year.
Total bs to regard him as untouchable. Doesn’t Reddick have another year. Are we going to trade him and give Tucker his position? We gave Tucker LF, and he did not hit.
I cannot believe Luhnow wants Tucker (in AAA!) more than Syndergard. Maybe his position will soften before Wednesday. Maybe he is trying to make the Mets blink. Seems to me they are in the superior position, but what do I know?
I could accept we had no chance because they wanted a MLB-ready pitcher. But if Tucker winds up blocking this deal because he is untouchable, someone is crazy-me or the Brain Trust.
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Total bs to regard him as untouchable. Doesn’t Reddick have another year. Are we going to trade him and give Tucker his position? We gave Tucker LF, and he did not hit.
I cannot believe Luhnow wants Tucker (in AAA!) more than Syndergard. Maybe his position will soften before Wednesday. Maybe he is trying to make the Mets blink. Seems to me they are in the superior position, but what do I know?
I could accept we had no chance because they wanted a MLB-ready pitcher. But if Tucker winds up blocking this deal because he is untouchable, someone is crazy-me or the Brain Trust.
Relax, this is all part of negotiations in my opinion. All teams that are selling are going to ask for the moon, but as the deadline gets closer I they will lessen their stances. Luhnow’s job is to make them think there is no way they can get Tucker so that when he finally offers him in a deal it will get done. Otherwise he tells them that he’s going to package Tucker in another deal to another team. This will put the pressure on that team to make the deal IMO.
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Total bs to regard him as untouchable. Doesn’t Reddick have another year. Are we going to trade him and give Tucker his position? We gave Tucker LF, and he did not hit.
I cannot believe Luhnow wants Tucker (in AAA!) more than Syndergard. Maybe his position will soften before Wednesday. Maybe he is trying to make the Mets blink. Seems to me they are in the superior position, but what do I know?
I could accept we had no chance because they wanted a MLB-ready pitcher. But if Tucker winds up blocking this deal because he is untouchable, someone is crazy-me or the Brain Trust.
Agree 100%.
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Relax, this is all part of negotiations in my opinion. All teams that are selling are going to ask for the moon, but as the deadline gets closer I they will lessen their stances. Luhnow’s job is to make them think there is no way they can get Tucker so that when he finally offers him in a deal it will get done. Otherwise he tells them that he’s going to package Tucker in another deal to another team. This will put the pressure on that team to make the deal IMO.
I hope you're right.
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Relax, this is all part of negotiations in my opinion. All teams that are selling are going to ask for the moon, but as the deadline gets closer I they will lessen their stances. Luhnow’s job is to make them think there is no way they can get Tucker so that when he finally offers him in a deal it will get done. Otherwise he tells them that he’s going to package Tucker in another deal to another team. This will put the pressure on that team to make the deal IMO.
Oh, hey, I understand all that, and I do understand negotiations. Precisely why I added the “maybes.” I also know Luhnow has been extremely reluctant to give up elite prospects, even to the point of trying to hold on to Perez(?) until the last minute in the JV deal. I think we are in the same spot we were then-the right deal can mean another WS.
I want to believe he will not hold on to Tucker at the expense of Syndergard.
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In Luhnow We Trust. If the report is true that he is holding on to Tucker at the expense of Noah S., and the that is a big if, that is part of the negotiations as some have pointed out. The longer he holds out on Tucker, the more it makes the Mets want him. It is a variation of the briar patch ploy. “Please don’t make me put Tucker in this deal, please.”
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In Luhnow We Trust. If the report is true that he is holding on to Tucker at the expense of Noah S., and the that is a big if, that is part of the negotiations as some have pointed out. The longer he holds out on Tucker, the more it makes the Mets want him. It is a variation of the briar patch ploy. “Please don’t make me put Tucker in this deal, please.”
As I said, I get the nuances of negotiating. I also know lots of teams want him, and playing games too long is dangerous. Could be-and this thought drives me nuts-they want to keep Tucker no matter what.
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If he is truly going to keep Tucker and not deal him, we will most likely settle for crumbs at the table. Let’s hope this is just Luhnow’s negotiation prowess at work.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t believe that you get Stroman or Syndergaard without Tucker going in the deal. We don’t have a “top” young pitcher to deal (unless teams consider JBB elite) so he will have to be the headliner.
I think we may could get Ray without Tucker but even then, if I’m Arizona, he’s the ask and the D’Backs don’t have to move Ray since they control him another year. They have the leverage.
It is a seller’s market and pretty much everyone is going to have to overpay to get what little impact pitching is out there.
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Ken Rosenthal says the Astros are mounting a serious push for Marcus Stroman after deciding not to meet the asking price for Syndergaard.
Astros and Blue Jays have a recent trading history so this wouldn’t be surprising.
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Agreed, and think of the marketing A-Strohman!
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WTF?
Source: #BlueJays, #Mets in agreement on Marcus Stroman trade, pending exchange of medical information. @MLB @MLBNetwork
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W T F.
Marcus Stroman has been traded to the New York Mets, source confirms to ESPN.
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W T F.
Marcus Stroman has been traded to the New York Mets, source confirms to ESPN.
Maybe they're flipping him? Who knows with the fucking Stem.
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I guess the good news is, we won’t have to face him in the playoffs now.
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I guess the good news is, we won’t have to face him in the playoffs now.
I'd be thrilled if we do.
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I guess the good news is, we won’t have to face him in the playoffs now.
Might also change their demands for Syndergaard now that they've got some MLB-ready pitching.
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Maybe this is the way the Mets are getting the major league-ready pitcher they want in order to let Syndergaard go (in a separate deal).
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Thor is controller for longer than stro. Mets-Ing
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It will be interesting to see what the Mets gave up.
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Ken Rosenthal
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On #BlueJays’ return for Stroman: Triple A RHP Anthony Kay was #Mets’ first-round pick out of UConn in 2016. Class A RHP Simeon Woods Richardson was their second rounder out of Kempner (Tx.) H.S. in ‘18.
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That's the Mets #4 and #6th rated prospects
Neither are top 100 prospects
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Astros comp would be J.B. Bukauskas and Abreu.
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I had read reports that the Mets were looking to move Syndergaard and use part of what they get to trade for Stroman. I didn't believe it. Doesn't make any sense to me
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Astros comp would be J.B. Bukauskas and Abreu.
Is JBB considered a top 100 prospect?
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Is JBB considered a top 100 prospect?
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He's just as close or closer than those Mets guys.
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He's just as close or closer than those Mets guys.
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That’s what I was thinking. I think I would have given JBB and Abreu for Stroman. Now , I guess it is possible that Luhnow did offer that and the Jays didn’t like JBB and Abreu as much.
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Sergio Romo to Minnesota.
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the silence is way to loud
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WTF?
Source: #BlueJays, #Mets in agreement on Marcus Stroman trade, pending exchange of medical information. @MLB @MLBNetwork
What?
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What?
So now they trade Syndergard? The Mets getting Stroman is crazy.
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So now they trade Syndergard? The Mets getting Stroman is crazy.
The people I know who follow the Mets closely seek to think this move cements the fact that Syndergaard will be traded.
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The people I know who follow the Mets closely seek to think this move cements the fact that Syndergaard will be traded.
Seems like it to me. Why would the Mets do this?
Ok, maybe I am understanding. Here is the pitcher they wanted/needed. Now they can trade Syndergard to Houston or somebody without getting an MLB- ready pitcher in return.
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Why would the Mets do this?
That’s been the question for years.
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Seems like it to me. Why would the Mets do this?
Sort of a two-part approach to a three-way deal? They can now trade Snydergard for Tucker & Fisher and a box of bolts and declare success.
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Sort of a two-part approach to a three-way deal? They can now trade Snydergard for Tucker & Fisher and a box of bolts and declare success.
That would make more sense as an explanation than them thinking that after sweeping the Pirates they're now one starter away from winning it all.
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That would make more sense as an explanation than them thinking that after sweeping the Pirates they're now one starter away from winning it all.
But, then again, it doesn’t because Noah has two years of arb. left and Stroman only has one.
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That would make more sense as an explanation than them thinking that after sweeping the Pirates they're now one starter away from winning it all.
Man, I am hoping this.
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Hey, y’all who know insiders, are we likely to take the untouchable label off of Tucker. They way seems paved for us to get Syndergard if we do, and out Stroman alternative appears gone.
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But, then again, it doesn’t because Noah has two years of arb. left and Stroman only has one.
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Trying to understand the Mets getting Stroman...co-worker was joking that since most contenders are in the market for pitching the Mets are making the smart business move to corner the market for said commodities.
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just found this interesting regarding Mets' pitchers that may be available and what the asking price may be for both.
W-L ERA GS IP K WHIP
Thor 7-5 4.33 20 126.2 126 1.263
Wheeler 7-6 4.71 20 124.1 137 1.271
Thor has another year of club control though which is, of course, huge in the equation.
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just found this interesting regarding Mets' pitchers that may be available and what the asking price may be for both.
W-L ERA GS IP K WHIP
Thor 7-5 4.33 20 126.2 126 1.263
Wheeler 7-6 4.71 20 124.1 137 1.271
Thor has another year of club control though which is, of course, huge in the equation.
Thor actually has 2 years of control beyond this year
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Syndegaard's reaction to the Stroman deal:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847515-mets-noah-syndergaard-posts-meme-changes-twitter-bio-amid-trade-rumors
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Here's a report of Stroman's supposed reaction to the news...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-marcus-stroman-wasnt-happy-he-was-traded-to-a-team-out-of-the-race-163735394.html
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Jordan Lyles to the Brewers.
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Jordan Lyles to the Brewers.
For Cody Ponce, a 25-year-old RP at AA who was Milwaukee's #25 prospect.
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Jason Vargas to the Phillies.
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Jason Vargas to the Phillies.
Joe Sheehan (https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1155946797820346368?s=20): "Maybe the Mets really are going for it."
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Joe Sheehan (https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1155946797820346368?s=20): "Maybe the Mets really are going for it."
Ouch
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Going for what?
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Going for what?
The second wild card, or maybe a nice pastrami on rye.
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I'm happy to know that Vargas is leaving New York for a place with a tamer media and fan base, one that won't have him so on edge, nervous sort that he is.
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I don't understand how trading Vargas for a AA catcher gets them closer to obtaining either.
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Going for what?
Addition by subtraction is the way I read it.
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Too quiet today.
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Yes it is, been traveling all day and was hoping to come here to read all sorts of speculation.....instead crickets.
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Yes it is, been traveling all day and was hoping to come here to read all sorts of speculation.....instead crickets.
Only thing I’ve seen tonight is from Jon Heyman of MLB Network. Astros, Brewers and Yankees in “active talks” with D-Backs about Ray.
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Reporter, so grain of salt and all that.
Mark Feinsand tweeted
"I've heard some executives question whether the Mets will actually move Syndergaard by Wednesday, and the same for the Indians and Bauer. One GM I spoke with expects both to be traded and -- here's the fun part -- he tabs the Yankees and Astros as frontrunners to land Bauer."
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Oh, my.
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Rosenthal this morning:
Two sources said Monday that the Astros were working hard to acquire Mets right-hander Zack Wheeler, though no deal appeared close. The Athletics, Rays and Braves are among the other clubs that have shown varying interest in Wheeler, who, like Bumgarner, is a potential free agent.
https://theathletic.com/1105781/2019/07/30/rosenthal-the-indians-are-getting-tempted-zack-wheelers-fit-with-the-astros-the-market-for-edwin-diaz/
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Nothing on Syndergard, and Luhnow is doing his usual good job of laying silently in the weeds.
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A new report from Ken Rosenthal and Andy Martino says that the Astros are considered the favorite to land Zack wheeler. One unnamed rival executive was quoted as saying he expects the Astros to land the right hander.
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I’d be fine with wheeler, assuming we aren’t giving up much for a rental. I’d really like them to land an impact BP arm too though.
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New report says Astros are talking to the Orioles about outfielder Trey Mancini. Didn’t see that coming. If we acquire Mancini, who is controllable thru 2022, I wonder if it could mean he is an outfield replacement for Tucker and we are about to move Kyle? Or he could be a replacement for Springer if we don’t sign him.
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New report says Astros are talking to the Orioles about outfielder Trey Mancini. Didn’t see that coming. If we acquire Mancini, who is controllable thru 2022, I wonder if it could mean he is an outfield replacement for Tucker and we are about to move Kyle? Or he could be a replacement for Springer if we don’t sign him.
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Maybe he's a piece the Mets want for Syndergaard.
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Maybe he's a piece the Mets want for Syndergaard.
I like the way you think.
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Maybe he's a piece the Mets want for Syndergaard.
Great point Knox.
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You guys who read and listen to every word of these reports must be dizzy by now. A few days ago it was “the Mets are going to extend Wheeler and trade Syndergard.” Today it is “the Mets will trade Wheeler and keep Syndergard.” Now our resident Town Crier says we want an OFer. Wow. I cannot keep up so I try to stay away from the national “experts.” Until a trade is announced, it is all smoke, mirrors, misinformation meant to deceive, and subterfuge.
We have a couple of folks with access to insiders. Waiting to hear from them.
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You guys who read and listen to every word of these reports must be dizzy by now. A few days ago it was “the Mets are going to extend Wheeler and trade Syndergard.” Today it is “the Mets will trade Wheeler and keep Syndergard.” Now our resident Town Crier says we want an OFer. Wow. I cannot keep up so I try to stay away from the national “experts.” Until a trade is announced, it is all smoke, mirrors, misinformation meant to deceive, and subterfuge.
We have a couple of folks with access to insiders. Waiting to hear from them.
It's mostly just for the fun of it for me. I know 90% of it is bullshit but it's something to think/talk about until there is something real to discuss
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I like the idea of trading with the orioles. They obviously know the Astros organization and are just into the start of their rebuilding process so they would probably we willing to take lower level prospects for Mancini. So if the idea is trading for Mancini to send to the Mets as part of the package for Syndergaard, that would be great out of the box thinking by Luhnow and company. Or if the idea is to trade Tucker to the Mets and use Mancini as a replacement, I'm okay with that as well, although it makes less sense unless the Astros are also going to trade Reddick (which I can't really see happening). But the Braves are looking for an outfielder and Reddick makes a lot of sense for them so who knows.
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It's mostly just for the fun of it for me. I know 90% of it is bullshit but it's something to think/talk about until there is something real to discuss
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Agree. It’s all fun speculation. And true, probably 90% of it is smoke and mirrors but at least today hasn’t been boring.
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I’d be fine with wheeler, assuming we aren’t giving up much for a rental. I’d really like them to land an impact BP arm too though.
Is Wheeler expected to pitch better than his 4.71 ERA seems to indicate?
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Is Wheeler expected to pitch better than his 4.71 ERA seems to indicate?
Some say yes. The Mets defensively are one of the worst teams in baseball so leaving there by itself should uptick his numbers.
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Is Wheeler expected to pitch better than his 4.71 ERA seems to indicate?
Cole had a 4.26 before arriving here. Just saying.
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Some say yes. The Mets defensively are one of the worst teams in baseball so leaving there by itself should uptick his numbers.
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That would make the runs unearned. Makes no sense to bring in a rental not named Beltran or Johnson if there are alternatives.
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Cole had a 4.26 before arriving here. Just saying.
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We had Cole for ST and a full season. 4.71 needs an immediate turnaround.
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That would make the runs unearned. Makes no sense to bring in a rental not named Beltran or Johnson if there are alternatives.
Not errors - they just can't get to the balls that good infield defenses turn into outs.
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Not errors - they just can't get to the balls that good infield defenses turn into outs.
If you've got a plodding shortstop, a sluggo 3rd baseman, and a bunch of Jack Custs playing the corners in the outfield, there will be plenty of earned unearned runs.
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Is Wheeler expected to pitch better than his 4.71 ERA seems to indicate?
Funny you should ask:
So what is an acquiring team getting in Zack Wheeler? What can be expected of Wheeler over the final two months of the season? 1. The stuff is elite. ... 2. The slider and curveball could perhaps be deployed differently. ... 3. The results haven’t been there in part due to poor distribution. ... 4. Wheeler routinely works deep into games.
https://theathletic.com/1101694/2019/07/29/if-a-team-trades-for-zack-wheeler-what-exactly-is-it-getting/
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Is Wheeler expected to pitch better than his 4.71 ERA seems to indicate?
Here's a long and detailed analysis by the crawfish boxes (https://www.crawfishboxes.com/2019/6/16/18680915/exploring-a-zack-wheeler-trade) giving the statistical argument for why he would be expected to perform better as an Astro than a Met (beyond the obvious moral superiority).
As for luck:
So why is his ERA inflated? Well, he’s had a fairly perfect storm of bad luck. His LOB% is at 65.1%, a stat that basically every pitcher in baseball will end up in the 70-72% range, a stat that has shown to not be in the control of a pitcher. Higher K/9 pitchers will generally be slightly towards the higher end, and Wheeler would fit that bill and is well below where one would expect.
That’s a start, but there’s more. His HR/FB is at 14.1%, a stat that basically averages for every pitcher in the 8-12% range, and Wheeler’s career 11% fits that logic. Again, Fangraphs found this statistic to largely be out of the control of a pitcher as to what %, especially without a significant change in his batted ball profile.
His BABIP (.313) and xwOBA also show indications of poor luck. Additionally, Wheeler currently is throwing his highest K/9, lowest BB/9, and averaging 6.1 IP per start so far this year.
And then of course, his spin rate and arsenal meet the Strom recipe for success.
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Bukauskas did us no favors last night. 5 walks in 4-2/3 IP. He had a great start last time out. Should have sat him ahead of the deadline (only half joking).
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So far today, from various places I've heard or read, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Minor, Mancini, Ray, and Boyd. The Astros have scouts everywhere, and I believe Luhnow and company are making calls left and right. That's part of creating the smokescreen. He is the master of it.
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Not errors - they just can't get to the balls that good infield defenses turn into outs.
If that is the Mets and Wheeler, I get it. Is it? Is it errors?
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If that is the Mets and Wheeler, I get it. Is it? Is it errors?
https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/anthony-rieber/mets-defensive-metrics-1.34340685
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https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/anthony-rieber/mets-defensive-metrics-1.34340685
That is a great article with good info. Thanks for the link.
Just a bit more. Wheeler has a FIP of 3.65. By comparison, Thor’s is also 3.65, Verlander’s is 3.94 and Cole’s is 3.06. A lot of things are pointing to his being a better pitcher than his ERA indicates. My biggest concern would be his health.
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https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/anthony-rieber/mets-defensive-metrics-1.34340685
I had to stop reading after the first paragraph because every sentence was translating in my mind as "Fuck the steM."
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so little time left. no last minute trades this year....auggg
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https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/anthony-rieber/mets-defensive-metrics-1.34340685
Thanks
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I'll chime in with the rampant speculation.
[Rosenthal] The #Mets scratched Ervin Santana from his Triple A start today. Syndergaard scheduled to pitch for them in majors tonight. Not known whether two are linked.
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Tim Brown of Yahoo sports says we are once again talking to Giants about Bumgarner.
This is crazy!!
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
Fuck the Mets!
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
Doesn't hurt to ask I guess
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
Thinking about it some more, if I'm the Twins... I might do that trade
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
Maybe throw in Springer and Alvarez to sweeten the pot a little.
Those people are fucking idiots. I'm sure many of you saw somewhere that another GM said what they were doing is like a kindergartener's finger painting.
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https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/anthony-rieber/mets-defensive-metrics-1.34340685
Informative article! Pathetic defense!
Nod to the 'Stros defense:
Digging deeper, the Mets’ defensive efficiency ratio (DER), according to MLB.com, is .677, which is 27th in baseball. DER is a statistic that measures for every ball hit into the field of play, how likely is the defense to convert that into an out. For comparison’s sake, the Astros are first at .726 and the Rockies are last at .673.
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That would make the runs unearned. Makes no sense to bring in a rental not named Beltran or Johnson if there are alternatives.
Craig Biggio committed just one error in 216 CF starts in 2003-2004.
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Also it's being tweeted that the Stems have asked in return for Thor:
Twins - Buxton
Sox - Benintendi
So they're probably asking for Altuve.
BVW is a nutcase
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Has there ever been a situation where a high-profile player has been traded to a contender, and was boo'd lustily by the fans of the team he was just traded to? We might find out if Tyler Bauer ends up here.
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Thinking about it some more, if I'm the Twins... I might do that trade
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I would totally do that trade if I were the Twins.
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There's so much I don't get about trading for Bauer. In no particular order:
• He's got no emotional control on the field
• He harasses women online, in full public view
• He does shit like writing "Bush did 9/11" on the mound during games
• He's notorious for refusing to listen to his teams' coaching staff, dating at least back to his college years
• He and Cole despise each other from their UCLA days
• He called out the entire Astros organization for doctoring the ball last season
• He's enough of a cancer that Cleveland is thinking about trading him when they're 3 games up in the Wild Card and 2 games out in their division
Is a wicked spin rate really that valuable? I just can't see it happening.
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There's so much I don't get about trading for Bauer. In no particular order:
• He's got no emotional control on the field
• He harasses women online, in full public view
• He does shit like writing "Bush did 9/11" on the mound during games
• He's notorious for refusing to listen to his teams' coaching staff, dating at least back to his college years
• He and Cole despise each other from their UCLA days
• He called out the entire Astros organization for doctoring the ball last season
• He's enough of a cancer that Cleveland is thinking about trading him when they're 3 games up in the Wild Card and 2 games out in their division
Is a wicked spin rate really that valuable? I just can't see it happening.
I’m with you. Cannot see how this would work.
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There's so much I don't get about trading for Bauer. In no particular order:
• He's got no emotional control on the field
• He harasses women online, in full public view
• He does shit like writing "Bush did 9/11" on the mound during games
• He's notorious for refusing to listen to his teams' coaching staff, dating at least back to his college years
• He and Cole despise each other from their UCLA days
• He called out the entire Astros organization for doctoring the ball last season
• He's enough of a cancer that Cleveland is thinking about trading him when they're 3 games up in the Wild Card and 2 games out in their division
Is a wicked spin rate really that valuable? I just can't see it happening.
It could all be about driving up the price for anyone else who might be talking to the Indians. Lots of games being played.
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There's so much I don't get about trading for Bauer. In no particular order:
• He's got no emotional control on the field
• He harasses women online, in full public view
• He does shit like writing "Bush did 9/11" on the mound during games
• He's notorious for refusing to listen to his teams' coaching staff, dating at least back to his college years
• He and Cole despise each other from their UCLA days
• He called out the entire Astros organization for doctoring the ball last season
• He's enough of a cancer that Cleveland is thinking about trading him when they're 3 games up in the Wild Card and 2 games out in their division
Is a wicked spin rate really that valuable? I just can't see it happening.
Counter point: He wanted to file an arbitration number of "either $6.9 million or $6,420,969.69," and then proceeded to make "69 days of giving" donating increments of $420.69 to a charity each day for 68 days followed by a 69th day contribution of $69,420.69.
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Counter point: He wanted to file an arbitration number of "either $6.9 million or $6,420,969.69," and then proceeded to make "69 days of giving" donating increments of $420.69 to a charity each day for 68 days followed by a 69th day contribution of $69,420.69.
Huh. So that's why 911truth.org loads a lot faster than it used to.
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Huh. So that's why 911truth.org loads a lot faster than it used to.
Checking it often?
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Checking it often?
Not as often as I used to thanks to www.reddit.com/r/911truthers.
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Counter point: He wanted to file an arbitration number of "either $6.9 million or $6,420,969.69," and then proceeded to make "69 days of giving" donating increments of $420.69 to a charity each day for 68 days followed by a 69th day contribution of $69,420.69.
That’s your idea of a counterpoint.
No thanks on Bauer.
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That’s your idea of a counterpoint.
No thanks on Bauer.
Hey, wet blanket, calm down a bit.
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Hey, wet blanket, calm down a bit.
I am calm. Calmly drinking a beer and not wanting Bauer. I think he would be a disruptive force, but he is a great pitcher.
Of course, I am pretty dense, even before the bonked head, so likely am not following the nuances well.
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• He's enough of a cancer that Cleveland is thinking about trading him when they're 3 games up in the Wild Card and 2 games out in their division
The other reasons may be important, but this one far outweighs them. Enough so, I’m shocked that any contender would entertain the idea.
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That’s your idea of a counterpoint.
No thanks on Bauer.
He is a supreme douche bag is really the only point. Hard pass.
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He is a supreme douche bag is really the only point. Hard pass.
Ok, I am dense. I’d like to blame my head injury, but I cannot. I was dumb before it. I should have known you were being facetious. Mea culpa.
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Ok, I am dense. I’d like to blame my head injury, but I cannot. I was dumb before it. I should have known you were being facetious. Mea culpa.
Blame the beer
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Is Straw untouchable? Could he be a sticking point for Luhnow, and not Tucker? Are Mets or others asking for Straw (i would) and Luhnow is not budging?
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Blame the beer
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Nope. Can’t. Beer was later. I have always been too literal on first reading.
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He is a supreme douche bag is really the only point. Hard pass.
We rooted for Roger Clemens.
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We rooted for Roger Clemens.
Oh, way, way different. Besides his other things, Bauer attacked the Astros.
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Poison.
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Ok, I am dense. I’d like to blame my head injury, but I cannot. I was dumb before it. I should have known you were being facetious. Mea culpa.
Welcome to being caught up!
We're glad you made it!
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Is Straw untouchable? Could he be a sticking point for Luhnow, and not Tucker? Are Mets or others asking for Straw (i would) and Luhnow is not budging?
Tucker. As Austro said, he’d better hit 40 homers next year.
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Blame the beer
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What did beer ever do to you?
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I'll chime in with the rampant speculation.
Santana being scratched must have nothing to do with Thor. He’s still scheduled to start tonight.....for now.
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Welcome to being caught up!
We're glad you made it!
Funny.
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Bauer to Cincinnati in a three-team deal with San Diego. Phew.
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Bauer to Cincinnati in a three-team deal with San Diego. Phew.
Wow. Who are the other players?
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Wow. Who had Cincy on the buyer's side of the market? They're 6.5 games out of the wild card, with *eight* teams in front of them.
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Bauer to Cincinnati in a three-team deal with San Diego. Phew.
Bauer and Puig on the same team?
Please let it be so.
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Wow. Who are the other players?
Puig to Cleveland.
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Bauer and Puig on the same team?
Please let it be so.
Alas, no. Puig to Cleveland.
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Alas, no. Puig to Cleveland.
Screwball for screwball
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Knucklehead swap.
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Bauer and Puig on the same team?
Please let it be so.
Nope. Puig to CLE, Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen to CLE, Taylor Trammell to SD, other pieces moving.
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Alas, no. Puig to Cleveland.
Ah too bad.
Guess we'll get to see some bat licking tmw.
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To get a sense of what the clubhouse thought of trading for Bauer, McCullers just tweeted a “hallelujah” gif.
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Screwball for screwball
Puig hasn’t been pulled from tonight’s game yet and he got into a fight on the field a minute ago. I am howling.
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Puig hasn’t been pulled from tonight’s game yet and he got into a fight on the field a minute ago. I am howling.
Holy hell. Amir Garrett ran over and took on the entire Pirates dugout.
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Obvious to me that other pieces have to be moving to finish this deal but
Pretty good deal for Cleveland, not a fan of Puig but he can play. They also get a good pitching prospect and a pretty good outfiled bat in Reyes
Reds get a really good but basket case pitcher and only give up a rental(Puig) and their best prospect, which they might regret.
And so far the Padres get... an outfield prospect. More has to be coming in for the Padres, otherwise this makes absolutely no sense for them.
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Screwball for screwball
A guy who threw the ball over the CF wall got traded for a guy who's last act for his team was to get ejected.
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Holy hell. Amir Garrett ran over and took on the entire Pirates dugout.
That was crazy. Holy shit
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Obvious to me that other pieces have to be moving to finish this deal but
Pretty good deal for Cleveland, not a fan of Puig but he can play. They also get a good pitching prospect and a pretty good outfiled bat in Reyes
Reds get a really good but basket case pitcher and only give up a rental(Puig) and their best prospect, which they might regret.
And so far the Padres get... an outfield prospect. More has to be coming in for the Padres, otherwise this makes absolutely no sense for them.
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CLE did a hell of a job of ridding themselves of a headache AND helping their current team.
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That was crazy. Holy shit
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For any GOT fans... this was absolutely Jon charging the enemy line in Battle of the Bastards.
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Holy hell. Amir Garrett ran over and took on the entire Pirates dugout.
That was so fucking cool
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Here it is. Crazy.
https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1156391960279572482?s=19 (https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1156391960279572482?s=19)
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Puig was uncontrollable in LA. Will hebe any better in Cleveland?
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Typical. Puig is the toughest motherfucker alive once the fighting has died down and there are 4 people to "hold him back". What a fucking cocksucker that guy is.
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For any GOT fans... this was absolutely Jon charging the enemy line in Battle of the Bastards.
Fuck yeah. That initial punch looked like it landed pretty flush
Edit: missed on the first punch but got a couple other glancing blows
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Typical. Puig is the toughest motherfucker alive once the fighting has died down and there are 4 people to "hold him back". What a fucking cocksucker that guy is.
Carlos Gomez on steroids.
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CLE did a hell of a job of ridding themselves of a headache AND helping their current team.
Cleveland is the clear winner of this trade, so far at least. 2 more prospects have been reported going to Cleveland.
This trade looks so dumb for the Padres, assuming they aren't getting much more. Maybe a precursor to get Thor? Idk just seems weird
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Typical. Puig is the toughest motherfucker alive once the fighting has died down and there are 4 people to "hold him back". What a fucking cocksucker that guy is.
Typical baseball tough guy- you'd better be glad all these guys are holding me back.
The Reds skipper had already been tossed (again) and came out looking to give Hurdle an earful. I don't have a dog in that hunt, but he looked like a fool and having already been tossed he deserves a hefty suspension.
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Typical baseball tough guy- you'd better be glad all these guys are holding me back.
The Reds skipper had already been tossed (again) and came out looking to give Hurdle an earful. I don't have a dog in that hunt, but he looked like a fool and having already been tossed he deserves a hefty suspension.
There will be quite a few suspensions from this game. I'm wondering how many Amir Garrett will get
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Why would anyone in their right mind have that infant on their team?
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Why would anyone in their right mind have that infant on their team?
I was gonna say he's pretty good at hitting baseballs but after looking at his stats... he has not been good for the Reds
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I was gonna say he's pretty good at hitting baseballs but after looking at his stats... he has not been good for the Reds
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Classic underachieving million dollar body ten cent head type.
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That was one of the "better" brawls I've seen.
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A team mom tweet suggests Bryan Abreu is getting called up:
https://twitter.com/jbristolkhou/status/1156446022559817728
Could be a deal, or perhaps IL for Pressley.
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Rosenthal on Bumgarner this morning:
The Astros’ interest, first reported by Yahoo’s Tim Brown, is legitimate; the Giants, according to a source, are intrigued by Astros Triple-A infielder Joshua Rojas. The question with Bumgarner, as I detailed on Monday, is whether the Giants can secure a strong enough return to justify moving him.
https://theathletic.com/1107909/2019/07/31/rosenthal-whos-staying-whos-going-here-are-the-storylines-to-watch-on-trade-deadline-day-2019/
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A team mom tweet suggests Bryan Abreu is getting called up:
https://twitter.com/jbristolkhou/status/1156446022559817728
Could be a deal, or perhaps IL for Pressley.
That would be odd. He's struggled a bit at AA, and there are more experienced relievers at AAA.
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I listened to Hinch on the radio yesterday concerning Pressly. Said they are hoping to avoid the DL but if he can't shake it soon they will give him the time he needs to get right. Hinch hinted that he'd had 3 days off and would pitch last night. The fact he didn't make it in to a tight game tells me he isn't right and will be hitting the IL soon. Good news is it didn't sound serious but of course I always worry.
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I listened to Hinch on the radio yesterday concerning Pressly. Said they are hoping to avoid the DL but if he can't shake it soon they will give him the time he needs to get right. Hinch hinted that he'd had 3 days off and would pitch last night. The fact he didn't make it in to a tight game tells me he isn't right and will be hitting the IL soon. Good news is it didn't sound serious but of course I always worry.
It was a hard ground ball off his right knee. Painful but I doubt it is serious.
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Rosenthal on Bumgarner this morning:
https://theathletic.com/1107909/2019/07/31/rosenthal-whos-staying-whos-going-here-are-the-storylines-to-watch-on-trade-deadline-day-2019/
Rojas is good, but do that deal.
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It was a hard ground ball off his right knee. Painful but I doubt it is serious.
He was just placed in the IL.
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It was a hard ground ball off his right knee. Painful but I doubt it is serious.
I think it was you that said a few days back, "at least it is not his arm"...I concur.
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He was just placed in the IL.
Chandler Rome confirms Abreu getting the call.
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He was just placed in the IL.
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One of our folks said this is days overdue. James injury hurts with Pressly out also.
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One of our folks said this is days overdue. James injury hurts with Pressly out also.
No such thing as overdue when you can retroactively put him on the IL.
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Chandler Rome confirms Abreu getting the call.
I wonder if they'll have him start on Friday?
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No such thing as overdue when you can retroactively put him on the IL.
You’re right re timing and deadlines, but I meant because of the pain/discomfort he was in.
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This will be what I’ll be doing most of the day....
https://giphy.com/gifs/stupid-forgotten-vyVxeMNGUBT7q?utm_source=media-link&utm_medium=landing&utm_campaign=Media%20Links&utm_term=
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NY Post says Syndergard off the market
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NY Post says Syndergard off the market
I'll believe that when midnight rolls around and he's still a steM.
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NY Post says Syndergard off the market
I found the SD portion of the Bauer trade to be odd giving what they gave up and what they got. Mets have been searching for a CF for years. I'm wondering if SD picked up Trammell as a piece to hopefully get Thor in the offseason? Only time will tell. Either that or they really, really think Trammell is going to be a star.
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I'll believe that when midnight rolls around and he's still a steM.
We need some Astros info!
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We need some Astros info!
It would be BS unless it's a confirmed deal.
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It would be BS unless it's a confirmed deal.
Realist!
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I'll believe that when midnight rolls around and he's still a steM.
You wont have to wait that long, Deadline is 4PM EST today.
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You wont have to wait that long, Deadline is 4PM EST today.
Why did you tell him?
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You wont have to wait that long, Deadline is 4PM EST today.
There are always deals that slip through and we find out about hours after the deadline but I doubt a Syndergaard trade would be one to slip through
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Realist!
I don't know if I'm the realist you need or deserve, but I'm the one you've got.
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Jon Morosi saying Astros are in active discussions to add a reliever.
My guess list, a #4, that costs less than a a top 8 prospect, and a reliever.
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Jon Morosi saying Astros are in active discussions to add a reliever.
My guess list, a #4, that costs less than a a top 8 prospect, and a reliever.
They need a #3, imo.
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Morosi also says the Astros' quest for an SP is focused on Wheeler and Ray:
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1156591969394495494
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Jon Morosi saying Astros are in active discussions to add a reliever.
My guess list, a #4, that costs less than a a top 8 prospect, and a reliever.
A reliever doesn't really solve any problems. It's a luxury. Adding a starter to eat innings helps the bullpen more than adding another arm does. UNLESS, James and Pressley are going to be out until September.
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A reliever doesn't really solve any problems. It's a luxury. Adding a starter to eat innings helps the bullpen more than adding another arm does. UNLESS, James and Pressley are going to be out until September.
Agree 1000%
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Cole seemed happy about the Bauer trade. (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1156405400994013184)
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I'd be happy with Ray, fine with Wheeler or Minor.
But I'd be lying if I said that Bumgarner isn't who I would like most
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Greinke has always been my top wish. But Bumgarner is a close second.
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What about the Trey Mancini trade discussions? Have those just died?
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What about the Trey Mancini trade discussions? Have those just died?
Radio silence.
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Radio silence.
Video is the prime suspect.
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Looks like other teams are making lower level deals. No reports of big splashes yet.
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What about the Trey Mancini trade discussions? Have those just died?
Not another word that I’ve seen since Morosi’s original report yesterday morning.
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Radio silence.
Made zero sense to me.
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Made zero sense to me.
Agreed. But it was so surprising that it felt like something that Luhnow might do.
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Agreed. But it was so surprising that it felt like something that Luhnow might do.
I’d like to have him for sure, but the timing and how he would fit seemed puzzling unless it was part of some bigger 3 team deal that never materialized.
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National pundits and our insider disagree on whether Ray is being traded.
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Rosenthal says "Both #Yankees and #Astros in on Bumgarner and Wheeler."
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156608276265668610
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3 hours to go.
(poking Luhnow with a stick) Do something!
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Rosenthal says Maldonado to Houston:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945
(Luhnow heard you, Navin.)
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Rosenthal says Maldonado to Houston:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945
(Luhnow heard you, Navin.)
Passan also reporting it.
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Rosenthal says Maldonado to Houston:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945
(Luhnow heard you, Navin.)
RIP Max Stassi
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Rosenthal says Maldonado to Houston:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945
(Luhnow heard you, Navin.)
Heard me.
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Rosenthal says Maldonado to Houston:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945
(Luhnow heard you, Navin.)
For Tony Kemp
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RIP Max Stassi
Yessir!
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For Tony Kemp
Perfect
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I'm somewhat confused by this deal. Is Maldonado that much of an offensive upgrade from Stassi? Because Stassi is considered to be a pretty decent defensive catcher. And now the Astros are just going to release Stassi (the team isn't going to keep three catchers on the roster).
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Stassi could easily be part of another deal.
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Maldonado's defense was pitiful in the ALCS.
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Unless the Astros feel that they can release Stassi and no one will pick him up so we can bring him back down the minors.
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Bob Nightengale
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The #Astros pitchers loved throwing to Maldonado last year.
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Source: #Astros are most comfortable with Zack Wheeler’s acquisition cost, among the possible rotation trade options. Houston’s farm system has thinned, constraining the team’s ability to land Bumgarner or Ray without giving up Kyle Tucker. @MLB
@MLBNetwork
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Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
The Astros offered Martin Maldonado a two-year deal at the outset of the offseason. It's unclear if he can reprise that now this late in the winter, as he changes agents.
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The #Astros pitchers loved throwing to Maldonado last year.
Is that right? I thought that Verlander had a problem with him.
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I don't know that I'm Tucker's biggest fan but if you give him up for a rental, u foo.
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Well I'll say this: the unified trade deadline is a big win far as I'm concerned. I was never this interested before.
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I'm somewhat confused by this deal. Is Maldonado that much of an offensive upgrade from Stassi? Because Stassi is considered to be a pretty decent defensive catcher. And now the Astros are just going to release Stassi (the team isn't going to keep three catchers on the roster).
Maldonado is superior to Stassi, especially in throwing. This was a great pickup.
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Well I'll say this: the unified trade deadline is a big win far as I'm concerned. I was never this interested before.
And I'll say this...if there are no big moves made between us and NYY or LAD before the deadline, not optimal, but we'll be ok.
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Is that right? I thought that Verlander had a problem with him.
No. He chewed Stassi’s ass more than once. Chirinos has caught every JV start this year. Obvious he support the trade.
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Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Source: #Astros are most comfortable with Zack Wheeler’s acquisition cost, among the possible rotation trade options. Houston’s farm system has thinned, constraining the team’s ability to land Bumgarner or Ray without giving up Kyle Tucker.
@MLB
@MLBNetwork
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I don't know that I'm Tucker's biggest fan but if you give him up for a rental, u foo.
Depends on who the rental is. Tucker ain’t all that.
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Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Source: #Astros are most comfortable with Zack Wheeler’s acquisition cost, among the possible rotation trade options. Houston’s farm system has thinned, constraining the team’s ability to land Bumgarner or Ray without giving up Kyle Tucker.
@MLB
@MLBNetwork
Madbum, yes. Not Ray. I’d like to know the plan for Tucker if they refuse to trade him.
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Was it Music Man who suggested Kemp for Maldonado? Well done, if so.
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I don't know about you guys, but for the first time in a long time, I'm saying "Fuck next season!" Our window doesn't close after this season, but this season has got to be the best shot we are going to get at another WS, especially if they land a big piece to add to the rotation.
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Luhnow by his action has deemed Maldonado an upgrade over Stassi but that isn't saying much. Stassi has not looked like he belongs in the big leagues this year.
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2 hours left. Time to get wild. Get. Something. Done.
Please
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Madbum, yes. Not Ray. I’d like to know the plan for Tucker if they refuse to trade him.
Trade Reddick this offseason. Probably a market for him with only one year left in contract. Tucker starts in RF next season.
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Luhnow by his action has deemed Maldonado an upgrade over Stassi but that isn't saying much. Stassi has not looked like he belongs in the big leagues this year.
Oh, please. They tried to sign Maldonado in the off season, but Boras fucked that up. They tried to trade for him from the Royals, but the Cubs got him. This is try #3 and was successful.
Stassi in an excellent catcher who cannot hit. He also missed time with an injury.Maldonado is a definite upgrade, and his arm shuts down the running game. That is why they got him last year.
Our catching situation now is excellent.
Two hours to go.
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It's interesting...I wonder, if the next couple hours do not result in a panicked and exciting flurry of deals, will they consider pushing the trade deadline back to later in the year to increase the number of likely sellers? Or are they happier to increase the number of teams going for it, which may be the effect today?
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Maldonado is a definite upgrade, and his arm shuts down the running game.
Unless they're running 'cause the ball just bounced off the backstop.
I kid, mostly.
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One of the NY papers just tweeted that trade talks between Yanks and DBacks for Ray are "dead". Panic ensued on the MLB Network set.
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Seattle just traded their LH closer to the Nats, Roenis Elias.
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Bob Nightengale
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The #Astros pitchers loved throwing to Maldonado last year.
Translation: Astros pitchers don't love throwing to Stassi.
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Unless they're running 'cause the ball just bounced off the backstop.
I kid, mostly.
If you are not, I will argue with you. He had no problem blocking balls until a game or two in the Boston ALCS. Part of it was crazy bounces from the spin McCullers put on the ball.
If you were serious, the snide comment is both false and unfair.
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Bumgarner may be off the board. Major trade between Giants and Brewers about to be announced. Top infield prospect headed to SF.
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NOT Bumgarner; Pomeranz
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Bumgarner may be off the board. Major trade between Giants and Brewers about to be announced.
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Nope. Pomeranz going to Brewers
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Tanner Roark to the A's. Good move for them.
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Tanner Roark to the A's. Good move for them.
Yep, good move.
Can we just trade Tucker already please!!
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I still believe that Tucker and JBB for Syndergaard is the move to make.
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According to Heyman the Dbacks asked the Yankees for Clint Frazier plus 3 prospects for Robbie Ray. Who is the Astros equivalent for Frazier?
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According to Heyman the Dbacks asked the Yankees for Clint Frazier plus 3 prospects for Robbie Ray. Who is the Astros equivalent for Frazier?
Given the worth being put on defense these days, I'm guessing Frazier isn't worth has much as people think. He's been a train wreck in the field the last couple seasons.
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Given the worth being put on defense these days, I'm guessing Frazier isn't worth has much as people think. He's been a train wreck in the field the last couple seasons.
His WAR is lower than Tony Kemp (or any other position player on the post-stassi trade Astros roster) , despite better offensive numbers.
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DBacks just got starting pitcher from Miami (Gallen). Could be precursor to moving Ray...
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According to Heyman the Dbacks asked the Yankees for Clint Frazier plus 3 prospects for Robbie Ray. Who is the Astros equivalent for Frazier?
I'd guess Fisher.
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I'd guess Fisher.
Yeah, but with the inflated prospect ranking that comes from being in pinstripes.
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Heyman adds that AZ was also asking for Clarke Schmidt, Yankees 2017 1st rd draft pick in A ball.
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How would Gallen fit as the Astros #5?
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One hour left
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It is starting to feel more and more that the Astros are not going to land a starter.
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It is starting to feel more and more that the Astros are not going to land a starter.
I still think they will.
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3 hours to go.
(poking Luhnow with a stick) Do something!
1 Hour to go.
(poking Lunow with a stick) Do some more!
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It's the Witching Hour. In Luhnow We Trust.
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It is starting to feel more and more that the Astros are not going to land a starter.
I think it is a game of chicken with the Yankees. Gut (hope) says they've got a deal for Ray/Wheeler in place and just waiting to make sure that MadBum/Thor don't end up in pinstripes.
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McTaggert just said on radio that it looks like we may not make a deal.
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Ken Rosenthal
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#Braves close to acquiring Shane Greene from the #Tigers, source tells The Athletic.
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Ken Rosenthal
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#Braves close to acquiring Shane Greene from the #Tigers, source tells The Athletic.
They need all the RP-ing they can get.
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McTaggert just said on radio that it looks like we may not make a deal.
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Could have said this about JV also. If we do not, I will be completely incredulous.
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Could have said this about JV also. If we do not, I will be completely incredulous.
Me too. And it will be a mistake.
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Joel Sherman says Yankees out on Wheeler and earlier a report said talks with Ray are dead.
Yanks might not be getting starter. Wonder if we will?
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Me too. And it will be a mistake.
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I know how much we are all anticipating seeing Urquidy starting playoff games.
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For me to be incredulous, it depends on what the other contenders do.
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For me to be incredulous, it depends on what the other contenders do.
+1
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Could have said this about JV also. If we do not, I will be completely incredulous.
I'll wait until after hearing what was asked.
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I'll wait until after hearing what was asked.
Well, we know Tucker for a couple of them, but he apparently is The Golden Boy.
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Do you remember when Martes was an untouchable prospect?
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Do you remember when Martes was an untouchable prospect?
Yup
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Well, we know Tucker for a couple of them, but he apparently is The Golden Boy.
And when you find out they wanted both Tucker and Fisher?
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Well, we know Tucker for a couple of them, but he apparently is The Golden Boy.
Their thought process on Tucker is pure cognitive dissonance:
"Holy shit he was a total disaster in that 2018 call-up! That was so bad that we didn't dare let him anywhere near the major league roster this year... not even when half the team was on the IL. Who knows when he'll be ready..."
"He's so awesome that we're willing to accept a significantly lower chance of playoff success this year to keep this stone-cold lock can't miss future star."
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And when you find out they wanted both Tucker and Fisher?
You have a problem with that. I do not.
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Toronto Sun says right handed reliever Joe Biagini has been traded to Houston
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Toronto Sun says right handed reliever Joe Biagini has been traded to Houston
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Toronto Sun says right handed reliever Joe Biagini has been traded to Houston
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Astros reportedly have sent Stassi to the Angels:
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1156654815872716800
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Vasquez, Wheeler & MadBum reportedly staying put. Aaron Sanchez has also been traded. Team not yet reported.
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Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?
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Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.
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Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?
Derek Fisher to Blue Jays
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Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?
You heard it was the Astros getting Sanchez? If yes, that's interesting. Dude had big time promise once upon a time.
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Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?
SportsNet writer says Fisher:
https://twitter.com/ShiDavidi/status/1156658609532612614
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Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?
I like this, even not knowing who we're giving up. Sanchez is filthy. Control issues.
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Biagini is a guy who never throws his best pitch. Very logical Astros sort of pickup.
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I love how ESPN is saying that the Astros are the big winner because the Yankees, Twins, and Red Sox didn't do anything of note and the Astros have less glaring weaknesses than all of those teams. Whatever. This was a bad job by Luhnow. Unless Biangini somehow turns into Pressley v. 2.
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Greinke?!??!
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156659122210840576
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Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.
Thanks Waldo. We appreciate you keeping this asylum running.
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Greinke to Astros!
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Rosenthal says Astros for Greinke!!!
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Greinke?!??!
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156659122210840576
Confirmed. For 4 prospects.
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A backup catcher and a RHP reliever. Not what I expected today. I do not get the thinking on another frontline pitcher, but obviously Luhnow et al deemed the asking price to high. I share chuck’s distaste for trading Tucker for a rental (except for Madbum), and I hope we find out how far apart we were from landing one.
Urquidy has been good. Can he keep it up? How soon before Peacock is ready? With Martin on the TJ shelf and Whitley trying to regain his mojo, where is starting pitcher help coming from?
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BREAKING: #Astros get Greinke.
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OMFG Greinke
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Astros get Aaron Sanchez, Joe Biagnini, and Zach Greinke today. Didn't give up Tucker apparently.
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Damn!!! Luhnow don’t play around!!!!
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Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.
Ha, never mind on that. The Grienke trade broke the whole damn site.
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HOLY SHIT
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I would like to express sincere apologies to Jeff Luhnow who I have been cursing out for the past 20 minutes. Awesome job. And thanks to Jim Crane as well.
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Should have known something was up. They pulled Greinke after 5 innings, 2 runs and only 82 pitches with the lead.
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I can't process this right now.
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Ha, never mind on that. The Grienke trade broke the whole damn site.
Assist to Waldo on the Grienke deal.
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Greinke? Wow.
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traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas for greinke and cash
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traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas and cash
Absolutely not crippling to the future either.
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traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas and cash
This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.
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This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.
Great deal for both teams. Astros get one of the top pitchers in the game. DBacks unload Grienke's salary and get some promising prospects.
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Astros get Aaron Sanchez, Joe Biagnini, and Zach Greinke today. Didn't give up Tucker apparently.
He said he wanted a reliever, a starting pitcher and a backup catcher. Look what he got.
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This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.
Beer will hit
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This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.
Beer is looking like a good hitter. But his overall game is VERY similar to Alvarez. It would be tough to have both on the team at the same time.
I'm not sold on Bukauskas. Martin is the big one if he comes back strong. Rojas was blocked here.
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Splash
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Rosenthal says Astros get $24M, leaving them responsible for the balance for $53M on his contract
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The Sanchez pickup is interesting. He's got one more year before he can be a free agent. I wonder if this says something about Peacock's status?
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Beer is looking like a good hitter. But his overall game is VERY similar to Alvarez. It would be tough to have both on the team at the same time.
I'm not sold on Bukauskas. Martin is the big one if he comes back strong. Rojas was blocked here.
Admittedly, I only saw two games, but Beer and Alvarez are not in the same universe with the bat. Beer’s ceiling is about like that third baseman we dealt to the Pirates.
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Is this an accurate summary of the day's activity?
Grienke + $24mm for Martin, Bukauskas, Beer and Rojas
Sanchez and Biagnini for Fisher
Maldanado for Kemp
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https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/1156662495202992128?s=19 (https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/1156662495202992128?s=19)
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player-scroll?player_id=425844 (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player-scroll?player_id=425844)
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Beer will hit
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Blocked by Alvarez whether he hits or not.
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Is this an accurate summary of the day's activity?
Grienke + $24mm for Martin, Bukauskas, Beer and Rojas
Sanchez and Biagnini for Fisher
Maldanado for Kemp
Didn't Stassi go to the Angels? I don't remember for who anymore.
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Feeling pretty good about the Astros.
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Didn't Stassi go to the Angels? I don't remember for who anymore.
Haven't seen the return. Could be a PTBNL
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In Luhnow I trust.
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Blocked by Alvarez whether he hits or not.
Agreed. Great deal.
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Admittedly, I only saw two games, but Beer and Alvarez are not in the same universe with the bat. Beer’s ceiling is about like that third baseman we dealt to the Pirates.
His power is well above Moran. In many other ways they are similar.
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wow yipeeee…. by the way had trouble getting back on the zone...said it was to busy something I loved seeing...
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His power is well above Moran. In many other ways they are similar.
You’re correct. I was just unimpressed by the guy, but I’m often wrong.
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Should have known something was up. They pulled Greinke after 5 innings, 2 runs and only 82 pitches with the lead.
"Sorry I only had time to strike out seven Yankees, but I need to leave to join the Astros."
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Where have we heard this before?
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Asked a baseball official how close to 4 pm the Greinke deal went down. His reply:
A "couple of seconds!"
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I'm going to enjoy a beverage this evening. Maybe even, two.
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What a day. I was so deflated, then the Greinke bulletin came.
What is the 25 man roster going to look like? Two more years of Greinke pairing with JV. It is a shame Cole has the urge to leave.
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2017 We're all surprised by the Verlander deal
2018 Cole and almost Harper
And like those past 2 years the Greinke trade comes out of no where. This Astros front office is incredible at keeping TRUE rumors contained.
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I just absolutely love this place.
Everyone is freaking out, news flying everywhere but not anything that makes a ton of sense. Then suddenly, BOOM!
And the site goes down because people are going bananas.
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Well. Time to sit back, put your feet up, grab a drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em, and survey the damage.
I feel sorry for Urquidy.
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What a day. I was so deflated, then the Greinke bulletin came.
What is the 25 man roster going to look like? Two more years of Greinke pairing with JV. It is a shame Cole has the urge to leave.
Cole has the urge to see the biggest possible dollar signs he can.
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I just absolutely love this place.
Everyone is freaking out, news flying everywhere but not anything that makes a ton of sense. Then suddenly, BOOM!
And the site goes down because people are going bananas.
You are so right, m’boy.
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Well. Time to sit back, put your feet up, grab a drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em, and survey the damage.
I feel sorry for Urquidy.
He does have good at bats.
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O M G
Deep breaths.
Glad the site is back up and running!
Gonna just leave this here
Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick
Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley
MOTHER OF GOD
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The Astros also got this guy from the Jays:
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=670276#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL
Not too sure what the Jays are doing, to be honest, with these two moves they made with the Astros and the Mets.
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O M G
Deep breaths.
Glad the site is back up and running!
Gonna just leave this here
Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick
Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley
MOTHER OF GOD
It's such an incredible lineup that the Mother of God is fifth in the rotation.
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Zack Greinke is the No. 3 starter. Let that sink in...
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Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.
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Zack Greinke is the No. 3 starter. Let that sink in...
Just incredible.
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Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.
We did a pretty good job of it after 2017 and I'm sure we'll do it again.
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Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.
Absolutely. He stepped up.
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Cole has the urge to see the biggest possible dollar signs he can.
And you know this how? Are you a friend of his? Or just internet speculation?
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O M G
Deep breaths.
Glad the site is back up and running!
Gonna just leave this here
Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick
Verlander 2.73 5th
Cole 2.94 11th
Grienke 2.90 9th
Miley 3.06 14th
MLB ERA Rank
MOTHER OF GOD
We are blessed.
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Grienke is probably slightly bummed that he won’t be able to hit very often, so I hope it motivates him to do his damndest to get us back to the series.
What a day. Let’s play some baseball
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And you know this how? Are you a friend of his? Or just internet speculation?
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/gerrit-cole
“I’m looking forward to it,” said Cole. “I know what my right is as a player. Once I get six years of service time, my right is to be able to say yes or no to a place I want to play. So I’m excited to be able to exercise that right.”
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And apparently we get to 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.
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Jayson Stark tweet:
Your 2019 leaders in WHIP:
1-Justin Verlander 0.81
2-Zack Greinke 0.94
5-Gerrit Cole 1.00
That's your Game 1-2-3 starters in Houston. Scary.
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And apparently we get to 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.
Getting two anyones for Stassi is a bonus.
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Plus we got Sanchez and Biagini for Brent Strom to work on and see if his wizardry takes.
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Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.
This. This right here. Crain wants to win as much as Luhnow and puts his money where his mouth is.
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What a day to be an Astros fan!
Thank you Luhnow and Crane!
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Jeff Luhnow is a badass and God bless Jim Crane. I never thought Greinke was even an option because of the money and what it would take to pry him away from the D-backs but goddamnit if they don't balls the size of grapefruits
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Chandler Rome reports that Whitley and Tucker were considered untouchable at the trade deadline.
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O M G
Deep breaths.
Glad the site is back up and running!
Gonna just leave this here
Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick
Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley
MOTHER OF GOD
I can't stop staring at this. Amazing.
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Chandler Rome reports that Whitley and Tucker were considered untouchable at the trade deadline.
Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.
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Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.
Ha!
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Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.
He's having a busy day, so I'll leave him alone.
He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/gerrit-cole
“I’m looking forward to it,” said Cole. “I know what my right is as a player. Once I get six years of service time, my right is to be able to say yes or no to a place I want to play. So I’m excited to be able to exercise that right.”
Maybe he is driven by dollars or by ego. I don’t know. I do know he said for publication “I never could have done this in Pittsburgh.” I hope JV talks to him about why he stayed. Maybe Cole will give some thought to what the Astros did for him.
Maybe only money matters to Cole. If so, he no doubt will leave. Now we have Greike’s deferred money and position players to extend. I will hate to lose Cole.
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He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.
So Strom will get Thursday and Friday to work with him? That ought to be enough.
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Peacock to the pen when he returns?
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What’s the deal on adding them to the 25 man, time wise? Can they sit in limbo for a period, and if so, how long? Is it just til tomorrow?
I assume since Urquidy is going tonight, they’re in limbo right now.
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The Astros need starting pitching and a reliever. I don't believe they will trade Tucker for a starter. The available starters just aren't good enough.
I'm thinking that the Astros end up trading for Greinke with the Diamondbacks picking up half of his remaining contract. The Astros are not on Greinke's 15-team no-trade list. Not sure who the Astros will trade in return but it won't be any of their top 5 prospects. Greinke is under control through 2021.
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The rotation for next season will be Verlander, Greinke, McCullers and name your two other starters, but that's a really good top-3.
I'm thinking that I did a pretty good job of predicting this, although we did give up a couple of top-5 prospects and AZ only picked up 1/3 of the remaining contact.
Either way, I am so pumped up right now. I can't wait until tonight's game starts, just so I can focus on baseball.
Thanks Luhnow. I don't know why I ever lose faith in you. And thanks Jim Crane. You are the best owner this city has ever had.
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By the way, I saw a Tweet that says that Sanchez has three options left. Maybe the Astros send him down to work on being a reliever instead of trying this out in the big leagues. Also, Bryan Abreu goes down after tonight with Biagini coming on board, right? If that is the case, I really hope that Abreu gets into the game tonight (hopefully with the Astros having a big lead).
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I'm thinking that I did a pretty good job of predicting this, although we did give up a couple of top-5 prospects and AZ only picked up 1/3 of the remaining contact.
Either way, I am so pumped up right now. I can't wait until tonight's game starts, just so I can focus on baseball.
Thanks Luhnow. I don't know why I ever lose faith in you. And thanks Jim Crane. You are the best owner this city has ever had.
Nice job
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A couple days ago on Twitter, I saw someone retweeting their tweet from 2011 when Hunter Pence was traded to the Phillies.
Feels good to not be sellers.
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Like everyone here, I’m so excited right now. My emotions when I found out reminded me a lot of how I felt after the Verlander trade was completed two years ago. I also love that we have an owner that wants to put the best product on the field every season and a front office that is among the best in the game.
I don’t want this ride as an Astros’ fan to end any time soon.
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Well said, Dvauthrin.
This is our squad. Let's see where this goes.
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Haven't seen the return. Could be a PTBNL
Maybe another reason for Cole to think harder about staying. I'm pretty sure he enjoys winning.
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It's such an incredible lineup that the Mother of God is fifth in the rotation.
Are you saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?
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Maybe he is driven by dollars or by ego. I don’t know. I do know he said for publication “I never could have done this in Pittsburgh.” I hope JV talks to him about why he stayed. Maybe Cole will give some thought to what the Astros did for him.
Maybe only money matters to Cole. If so, he no doubt will leave. Now we have Greike’s deferred money and position players to extend. I will hate to lose Cole.
That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.
The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html
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He's having a busy day, so I'll leave him alone.
He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.
Watching Astros pre-game right now and Stanton is very excited about Sanchez. "this is a very good pitcher" not having a very good season right now but Strom will help him turn it around or to those effects.
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That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.
The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html
If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".
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That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.
The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html
That is more of what i’d Expect him to say. Of course, we have to try to keep him, but the JV-Greinke duo is here at least two more years.
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If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".
Thank you, I only get the game broadcast on MLB.TV and no pre- or post-game, so this is great to hear.
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Watching Astros pre-game right now and Stanton is very excited about Sanchez. "this is a very good pitcher" not having a very good season right now but Strom will help him turn it around or to those effects.
The man led the league in ERA a couple years ago. He’s got the stuff.
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Here is Cole on Greinke
https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1156668963746697216?s=21
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Anyone remember that with all those prospects we shipped out, we called up another one today?
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If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".
I hope he remembers days like this and gives a lot of thought about what the Astros have done for him.
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Sanchez was pretty highly thought of at one point in time. He may have the worst stats in the majors right this minute, but it is going to be very interesting to see what Strom can do with him. I fully trust Luhnow and Strom to make this work. And as strange as it my sound, I’m almost as excited to see what they do with him as I am that we got ZG.
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Sanchez was pretty highly thought of at one point in time. He may have the worst stats in the majors right this minute, but it is going to be very interesting to see what Strom can do with him. I fully trust Luhnow and Strom to make this work. And as strange as it my sound, I’m almost as excited to see what they do with him as I am that we got ZG.
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I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?
Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?
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I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?
Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?
Listening on radio and they just said they spotted Maldonado in the dugout. They didn’t say if he was in uniform.
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So do I have this right: Luhnow got two big leaguers for Derek Fisher and two minor leaguers for Max Stassi?
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Listening on radio and they just said they spotted Maldonado in the dugout. They didn’t say if he was in uniform.
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He arrived bottom 1.
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He arrived bottom 1.
Astros.com says he is activated and on the 25 man
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So do I have this right: Luhnow got two big leaguers for Derek Fisher and two minor leaguers for Max Stassi?
Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.
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Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.
The Blue Jays are weird.
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Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.
On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.
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I can't believe they actually went out and got Greinke. One of the dads on my son's travel ball team this summer told me months ago that the Astros will get Greinke this year. He's an Ex Army Ranger that loves the game of baseball. He didn't have any insider information and I took it with a huge grain of salt. I'm glad today I get to say damn you were right. Super sad that Rojas had to go. If you didn't get to watch this kid in Round Rock this summer, you missed out. He was a joy to watch. I went to one of the Correa rehab games and they had Rojas at 2nd. Correa got pulled in the 5th or 6th so as not to overextend him and Rojas moved back to short. He proceeded to put on a show. He hit 2 bombs that night also. One to straight away dead center that landed on top of the metal shed. The other an oppo shot to left field. I was sure he was going to be the super utility guy of the future.
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On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.
Fisher being Springer’s planned replacement would have been worrisome for many reasons.
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I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?
Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?
So looking at his statcast data. Too many sinkers is a big problem, looks like guys are teeing off on that pitch. Like with Cole and Morton before him, I bet they say "no more sinkers, just get rid of it."
His curve has a really good spin rate and high wiff% so more curves. His change up also has pretty good numbers but he doesn't throw it much.
Those two changes maybe go a long way to fixing him and that's before Strom works too much with him on mechanics
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Astros.com says he is activated and on the 25 man
He is in uniform.
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On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.
Now that is crazy
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Fisher being Springer’s planned replacement would have been worrisome for many reasons.
Yes. An irrational fear for sure but I'm glad its not a possibility.
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Funny. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA1xvLWWsAEm000.jpg
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Greinke’s first game should be August 6 against Colorado at home.
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And apparently we get two 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.
Right on!
two 18-year-old kids for Stassi (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/angels-nearing-deal-for-max-stassi.html)
....Outfielders Rainier Rivas and Raider Uceta are going to Houston in return, per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter).....
....two teenage outfielders from the depths of the Los Angeles minor-league ranks. MLB Pipeline doesn’t view either as one of the Halos’ top 30 prospects, though at just 18 years old, these are far from finished products. Both Rivas and Uceta are playing in the Arizona League with the Angels’ rookie-ball affiliate. Uceta has posted a .278/.341/.373 batting line in 138 plate appearances at the level, while Rivas has batted .400/.512/.543 in 86 PA.
Wasn't Alvarez 18 when he was traded to the Astros? (Correction: He was 19.)
Just saying....
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This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:
https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21
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This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:
https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21
Read that earlier and it is great. I knew some of it beforehand but really clues you in to the fact that Greinke is a bit of an odd bird. My favorite is the Alex Gordon one for those who have read it.
Another Greinke story I know of that wasn't told. Another pitcher(don't remember who)for the D-backs was working on some stuff and asked Greinke if he would watch a bullpen and let him know if he saw something, Greinke says ok. So the guy throws a full bullpen and Greinke, standing behind him watching intently, doesn't say a word the whole time. When done the pitcher turns to Greinke and asks "what'd you think?" Greinke, straight faced says "I think it'd be better if you threw 3 MPH faster" then turned and walked off not saying another word.
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Read that earlier and it is great. I knew some of it beforehand but really clues you in to the fact that Greinke is a bit of an odd bird. My favorite is the Alex Gordon one for those who have read it.
Another Greinke story I know of that wasn't told. Another pitcher(don't remember who)for the D-backs was working on some stuff and asked Greinke if he would watch a bullpen and let him know if he saw something, Greinke says ok. So the guy throws a full bullpen and Greinke, standing behind him watching intently, doesn't say a word the whole time. When done the pitcher turns to Greinke and asks "what'd you think?" Greinke, straight faced says "I think it'd be better if you threw 3 MPH faster" then turned and walked off not saying another word.
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Sounds like Bibb Falk
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New York is taking this well
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA4yUX1WkAIaL-r?format=jpg&name=large
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NSFW language.
https://twitter.com/nickturturro1/status/1156661826190360576?s=21
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This was an interesting post-deadline nugget from Peter Gammons:
In the off-season, the Astros turned down Robby Ray for Corbin Martin, JB Bukauskus.
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1156663597063442437?s=11
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This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:
https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21
This is great -- thank you for sharing this.
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This was an interesting post-deadline nugget from Peter Gammons:
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1156663597063442437?s=11
To be fair to Luhnow, Martin wasn't injured at the time and the Astros were probably hoping that Martin would be a big addition to the Astros rotation this season.
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Forget about the Greinke deal for a second, I am amazed at what Luhnow got back in return for Fisher. And the return for the three DFAs (yes I know that Stassi wasn't technically a DFA) was tremendous. The fact that he was able to get anything for Stassi is mind-boggling. This was a ridiculously good trade deadline for Luhnow and the front office.
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Sounds like Bibb Falk
Also reminds me of a story from 1999 that Berkman told about Bagwell (https://www.mlb.com/news/jeff-bagwell-praised-for-his-work-ethic-c214232614) when Bagwell made the HOF.
When Lance Berkman was hitting .095 during his first month in the Major Leagues, he had the usual questions young players have about whether they're good enough to play at this level.
That's when Jeff Bagwell pulled him aside.
"I think he's going to give me a great piece of advice," Berkman said. "Here's a veteran player that really wants to see me do well."
OK, here goes.
"He puts his arm around me and says, 'You know, Lance, you might want to think about hitting a few more balls on the barrel,'" Berkman remembered. And? "And that was it." Berkman smiled at the thought. "Well, I wish someone had told me that beforehand," he said. "That was great advice."
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This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:
https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21
If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.
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To be fair to Luhnow, Martin wasn't injured at the time and the Astros were probably hoping that Martin would be a big addition to the Astros rotation this season.
He may also have a less flattering view of Ray than others do.
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Also reminds me of a story from 1999 that Berkman told about Bagwell (https://www.mlb.com/news/jeff-bagwell-praised-for-his-work-ethic-c214232614) when Bagwell made the HOF.
My dad tells a story of struggling with command on the mound one day, and the manager comes out to have a word. Manager says “throw strikes”, and turns around and walks away. Dad says it was all he could do to not drill the manger right in the back.
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My intentions for July, 2020:
RELAX
Enjoy the speculation, but rest assured in the knowledge that experts and insiders don't really know anything.
Revel in the amazement of what Luhnow & Co. accomplish on July 31st.
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My intentions for July, 2020:
RELAX
Enjoy the speculation, but rest assured in the knowledge that experts and insiders don't really know anything.
Revel in the amazement of what Luhnow & Co. accomplish on July 31st.
So true
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Just a hunch, but as other organizations continue to emulate the Astros, this might include putting a tight fucking lid on information seeping out about intentions.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Mets interest in Stroman.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Reds interest in Bauer or Indians interest in Puig and Reyes.
Prior to the deal, only our own Todd the Bod forecast Astros interest in Greinke.
Can anyone name a single deal that got any mention more than a few minutes before it was announced?
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Just a hunch, but as other organizations continue to emulate the Astros, this might include putting a tight fucking lid on information seeping out about intentions.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Mets interest in Stroman.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Reds interest in Bauer or Indians interest in Puig and Reyes.
Prior to the deal, only our own Todd the Bod forecast Astros interest in Greinke.
Can anyone name a single deal that got any mention more than a few minutes before it was announced?
The Reds being in on Bauer was reported the day before but nobody believed it so it didn't get much play but it was out there
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If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.
Isn't that what neurodivergent refers to?
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If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.
My thought exactly.
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The Reds being in on Bauer was reported the day before but nobody believed it so it didn't get much play but it was out there
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Thanks. I stand corrected on that one, but I'll stick with the premise.
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I think it hurt the sportcasters (espn etc) that the astros got the big on and poor poor NY Skankeees got no one. Life is so not fair.
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The New York Times is all over the Yankees failure to get pitching help. Full page plus story in today's edition with unTimeslike pictures and graphics comparing the Yankees' and Astros' starting rotations highlighting the Astros' considerable advantage.
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I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.
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This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:
https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21
Wow. I hope Hinch is ready.
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If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.
If so, he is functioning at a very high level - amazing!
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I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.
I think it's pretty likely given the lack of available other options. Starting on Sunday the rotation will be Verlander, Greinke, Cole, Miley, 5th.
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I think it's pretty likely given the lack of available other options. Starting on Sunday the rotation will be Verlander, Greinke, Cole, Miley, 5th.
Convenient that the off days bracketing the short Colorado series allow them to reset the rotation.
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Convenient that the off days bracketing the short Colorado series allow them to reset the rotation.
Need a team meeting ASAP:
“How to Get along with Zack Greinke-The Dos and Don’ts”
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If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.
Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507
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I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.
Before yesterday, I was thinking that Urquidy stays in the rotation and Sanchez becomes another multi-innings reliever. Maybe not.
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Need a team meeting ASAP:
“How to Get along with Zack Greinke-The Dos and Don’ts”
I wonder if Greinke has ever dealt with anyone like Springer. I predict they end up great friends.
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Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507
Good article. Thanks for posting.
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Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507
Great article! Tks for the link.
Love his advise to the backup Dodger catcher who had to jump in after #1 catcher was hurt:
He tells me, 'Put down whatever you want. Everything right now is nasty.'
He sounds like he will be fun to watch!
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so who goes who stays
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I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.
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My dad tells a story of struggling with command on the mound one day, and the manager comes out to have a word. Manager says “throw strikes”, and turns around and walks away. Dad says it was all he could do to not drill the manger right in the back.
Heard that type of shit masquerading as advice many times. Another one that used to piss me off was "it's just pitch and catch, son."
There's only five reasons why a coach comes out there: (1) to give the bully time to get warm, (2) to give a pep talk, (3) to correct a mechanical issue or a releast point issue, (4) to take your young ass out, and (5) to give you a scouting report on an unfamiliar hitter.. In the case of the fourth, the coach's request for the pill is all the evidence one needs to ascertain that your next stop is the showers. The same is clear for the scouting report and mechanical error correction. I used to ask whihch of the other two other reasons are you out here for, pep talk or killing time for the bully?
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I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.
I usually pass on the pregame show because I find it boring, but I watched last night and I'll watch again tonight.
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I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.
MLB list Maldonado on the 25 man but none of the other acquisitions.
Urquidy, Sneed, and Abreu are all listed on the 25 man as of this posting, Pressley is on the IL and not on the 25 man. Right now, 12 pitchers are listed on the 25 man roster, they may go with 13 and option Straw for awhile after Pressley returns. My guess is that Urquidy, Sneed, and Abreu will go back to RR when the three new arms get on the team.
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Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.
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Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.
Have a great call and a lot of fun, Coach!!!
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Have a great call and a lot of fun, Coach!!!
Will certainly have fun!
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Well here's how I think the roster shakes. Sanchez and Biagini added tomorrow with Urquidy and Abreu being optioned, Greinke added Tuesday with Sneed optioned
The 25 man would thus be
Verlander
Greinke
Cole
Miley
Sanchez
Osuna
Harris
Biagini
Rondon
Devo
Smith
Mchugh
Chirinos
Maldonado
Gurriel
Altuve
Correa
Bregman
Diaz
Straw
Brantley
Springer
Reddick
Marisnick
Alvarez
12 pitchers, 13 hitters.
Peacock is about to start rehab but might be a longer rehab. James I bet doesn't come back til September, even if he's ready the last week of August. Pressly will probably be the first one back and Straw is probably optioned at that point.
If Peacock and Pressly both come back before September then I'd say it'll be Straw and Devo. Gonna be interesting
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Rondon will go before Devo
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Rondon will go before Devo
If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon
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If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon
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Does McHugh have any options left?
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Does McHugh have any options left?
Any player with more than 5 years of service time can refuse an option
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Ok. Outside of Osuna, Pressly, and Harris, this bullpen is very mediocre. I'm really hoping Biagini works out.
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Ok. Outside of Osuna, Pressly, and Harris, this bullpen is very mediocre. I'm really hoping Biagini works out.
Smith is good.
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Smith bails Rondon out.
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Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.
Tried to listen. The TuneIn app isn't working for the RR broadcast. Works fine for the Fresno broadcast but not Round Rock. Bummer. Tried it on computer and phone.
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Urquidy, Abreu, and Straw optioned.
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Straw, Urquidy, and Abreu optioned
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Was Sneed already optioned?
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Was Sneed already optioned?
No
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Glad Straw went down, he needs playing time.
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I don't want to set expectations too high but the more I look into Aaron Sanchez, the more I see Charlie Morton. Same pre-Astros pitch mix and usage. Heavy sinker/4-seam with curve being a distant 3rd pitch even though the numbers day it's his best pitch. Both have struggled with injuries before coming to Houston. Both coming from organizations that favor pitching to contact, hence the sinkers. Throwing sinkers in 2019 with the ball the way it is and batters swinging the way they do, is a terrible way to go about pitching. As Blummer sometimes says, spin to win. That's what the Astros did with Charlie(and others) and that's what I think they are going to do with Sanchez.
I was confused by the pickup at first but now I get it and I'm excited to see what he can do, when armed with better data and coaching than he's gotten in Canada.
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I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher. Luhnow was talking about how the Astros have been interested in Sanchez for years.
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Osuna made me nervous last night
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If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon
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I do not think these things matter as much as performance. The team is prepping for the playoffs. I do not want to jinx him, but Devo looks to have turned things around. If he has, and Rondon still is shaky to bad, Devo should be pitching to MLB hitters. As I said recently, Rondon is an enigma. He was and should be a reliable late inning guy.
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I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher.
This.
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I do not think these things matter as much as performance. The team is prepping for the playoffs. I do not want to jinx him, but Devo looks to have turned things around. If he has, and Rondon still is shaky to bad, Devo should be pitching to MLB hitters. As I said recently, Rondon is an enigma. He was and should be a reliable late inning guy.
Rondon has made 43 appearances in 2019 and has allowed at least one hit in 23 of them. He has allowed multiple baserunners in 16 of them.
On May 12 Devenski had a 5.94 ERA. In 27 appearances since, Devenski: 31.1IP, 23H/12ER, 37K:13BB, 3.45 ERA / 1.15 WHIP
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Rondon has made 43 appearances in 2019 and has allowed at least one hit in 23 of them. He has allowed multiple baserunners in 16 of them.
On May 12 Devenski had a 5.94 ERA. In 27 appearances since, Devenski: 31.1IP, 23H/12ER, 37K:13BB, 3.45 ERA / 1.15 WHIP
If giving up hits bothers you, perhaps try another game?
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I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher. Luhnow was talking about how the Astros have been interested in Sanchez for years.
Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.
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Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.
Three players for Fisher. Mind-boggling.
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Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.
I didn't realize it until last night, but apparently Biagini is incredibly popular with fans because of his funny, deadpan interviews. There are compilation videos of his comments. So we also basically got a stand-up comedian to spar with Julia.
EDIT -- Here's a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4NV5DbIBg)
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I didn't realize it until last night, but apparently Biagini is incredibly popular with fans because of his funny, deadpan interviews. There are compilation videos of his comments. So we also basically got a stand-up comedian to spar with Julia.
EDIT -- Here's a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4NV5DbIBg)
and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.
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Winning mitigates manifold transgressions. Winning = lovably eccentric; losing = clubhouse poison.
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and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.
I realize it was four years ago, but the Astros did an excellent job of letting Colby Rasmus be Colby and letting him integrate into the culture at his own pace. I hope the same dynamic is at work.
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I realize it was four years ago, but the Astros did an excellent job of letting Colby Rasmus be Colby and letting him integrate into the culture at his own pace. I hope the same dynamic is at work.
The Astros are fortunate to have AJ Hinch-who my friend not prone to superlatives calls “the best communicator in baseball-at the helm.
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and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.
Almost all of the stories that I read indicated that most of it was early in his career and pointed out how much he has grown and learned how to be a part of the clubhouse. None of the articles described him as a cancer or disruptive to the overall team chemistry.
This generation of players grew up in an era of much greater awareness and acceptance of people that might fall under the Neurodivergant label. Springer through his own disability and Bregman through his chosen charity are two examples. Cole said "I've gotten a chance to know Zack personally over the years and I think he's just a wonderful human being".
He will never be expected to be the leader of a staff with JV. He is surrounded by a mature and confident teammates. All he has to do is pitch. Honestly, there probably isn't a better clubhouse for him to join. I think he'll be just fine.
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The Astros are fortunate to have AJ Hinch-who my friend not prone to superlatives calls “the best communicator in baseball-at the helm.
A guy who not only manages personalities, but who excels at translating the front office’s metrics into language for the players.
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Almost all of the stories that I read indicated that most of it was early in his career and pointed out how much he has grown and learned how to be a part of the clubhouse. None of the articles described him as a cancer or disruptive to the overall team chemistry.
This generation of players grew up in an era of much greater awareness and acceptance of people that might fall under the Neurodivergant label. Springer through his own disability and Bregman through his chosen charity are two examples. Cole said "I've gotten a chance to know Zack personally over the years and I think he's just a wonderful human being".
He will never be expected to be the leader of a staff with JV. He is surrounded by a mature and confident teammates. All he has to do is pitch. Honestly, there probably isn't a better clubhouse for him to join. I think he'll be just fine.
I do not disagree with you and do not think my post implied anything about his being a clubhouse cancer. I think the Astros clubhouse is like no other.
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A guy who not only manages personalities, but who excels at translating the front office’s metrics into language for the players.
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You said a mouthful of truth. Excellent point. Remember: it wasn't that long ago we had the pitcher who openly bitched out on the mound about the shifts.
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You're in good hands with AJ/Lunhow.
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The #Angels have DFA’d Jonathan Lucroy to make room for Max Stassi. Kevan Smith is still under control next year and Lucroy is a FA.
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Re: Greinke. I heard he was a decent guy but had a bit of the social anxiety disorder deal going on.
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Re: Greinke. I heard he was a decent guy but had a bit of the social anxiety disorder deal going on.
Reams written about him and the disorder on this site in the aftermath of the trade..
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Reams written about him and the disorder on this site in the aftermath of the trade..
Exactly. Also social-anxiety disorder, does not mean a person is an anti-social misanthrope in any way. It's more like clinical depression and is treated with the same drugs.
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I didn't realize it until last night, but apparently Biagini is incredibly popular with fans because of his funny, deadpan interviews. There are compilation videos of his comments. So we also basically got a stand-up comedian to spar with Julia.
EDIT -- Here's a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4NV5DbIBg)
They just showed a clip from him at the press conference with all the new additions. He seems like a unique and entertaining one.
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They just showed a clip from him at the press conference with all the new additions. He seems like a unique and entertaining one.
When asked about his experience coming to Houston, he replied that he took a car, then a plane, then another car, and also got snacks at the airport.
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When asked about his experience coming to Houston, he replied that he took a car, then a plane, then another car, and also got snacks at the airport.
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Apparently when he met Jim Crane, Crane asked him where he's from and he said Africa
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Apparently when he met Jim Crane, Crane asked him where he's from and he said Africa
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Will someone get the man some therapy puppies already??
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Jomboy's reaction to the trade (language):
https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1156676818008760321?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1156676818008760321?s=19)
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Jomboy's reaction to the trade (language):
https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1156676818008760321?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1156676818008760321?s=19)
Hahahahahahahahaha
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I don't want to set expectations too high but the more I look into Aaron Sanchez, the more I see Charlie Morton. Same pre-Astros pitch mix and usage. Heavy sinker/4-seam with curve being a distant 3rd pitch even though the numbers day it's his best pitch. Both have struggled with injuries before coming to Houston. Both coming from organizations that favor pitching to contact, hence the sinkers. Throwing sinkers in 2019 with the ball the way it is and batters swinging the way they do, is a terrible way to go about pitching. As Blummer sometimes says, spin to win. That's what the Astros did with Charlie(and others) and that's what I think they are going to do with Sanchez.
I was confused by the pickup at first but now I get it and I'm excited to see what he can do, when armed with better data and coaching than he's gotten in Canada.
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Obviously only 1 inning but pretty telling that his most used pitch pre-Astros was the sinker and he threw exactly zero sinkers in his first inning as an Astro
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Obviously only 1 inning but pretty telling that his most used pitch pre-Astros was the sinker and he threw exactly zero sinkers in his first inning as an Astro
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He threw some sinkers, and four seams.
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He threw some sinkers, and four seams.
8 4-seam and 2 2-seam. Zero sinkers according to game game day. I thought about whether game day would be able to differentiate a 2-seam from a sinker but it can because it Gonzales throws sinkers and it lists them as sinkers
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Well, maybe they differentiate between a two seamer and a sinker, but I don’t. I’m also not calling his 89 mph pitch that moves like a two seamer a change up.
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Well, maybe they differentiate between a two seamer and a sinker, but I don’t. I’m also not calling his 89 mph pitch that moves like a two seamer a change up.
He definitely is throwing a changeup. You can tell it from his grip.
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He definitely is throwing a changeup. You can tell it from his grip.
Well, I stand corrected. It still doesn’t function like a most changeups I see from pitchers throwing 92-94 on their four seamers.
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Well, I stand corrected. It still doesn’t function like a most changeups I see from pitchers throwing 92-94 on their four seamers.
Good RHP changeups go down and in to a RH hitter.
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Well, I stand corrected. It still doesn’t function like a most changeups I see from pitchers throwing 92-94 on their four seamers.
He's normally 94-96 on the 4seam and 88 on the change up
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He's normally 94-96 on the 4seam and 88 on the change up
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What’s his two seam normally at? Tonight, he’s 93-94 with his four seam, about 86 on his good changes, and those ones around 89-91, I guess are just bad changes.
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What’s his two seam normally at? Tonight, he’s 93-94 with his four seam, about 86 on his good changes, and those ones around 89-91, I guess are just bad changes.
Roughly same as the 4seam. Average velocity on those to are separated by about .3 mph. Remember when McCullers would throw 90-91 mph change ups? It's not the mph difference by itself that makes the change up effective, it's the arm action paired with a slower spead. You would like a 10mph difference but most guys these days only have a 5-7mph difference, some less.
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Roughly same as the 4seam. Average velocity on those to are separated by about .3 mph. Remember when McCullers would throw 90-91 mph change ups? It's not the mph difference by itself that makes the change up effective, it's the arm action paired with a slower spead. You would like a 10mph difference but most guys these days only have a 5-7mph difference, some less.
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Thanks. Not sure I totally agree with the theory on the change. Lance had good movement, but poor command, but even today, most effective ones are more than 3 mph slower than the pitcher’s FBs.
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What’s his two seam normally at? Tonight, he’s 93-94 with his four seam, about 86 on his good changes, and those ones around 89-91, I guess are just bad changes.
Two-seam and four-seam are merely different ways to grip a fastball. The speed should be about the same.
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Roughly same as the 4seam. Average velocity on those to are separated by about .3 mph. Remember when McCullers would throw 90-91 mph change ups? It's not the mph difference by itself that makes the change up effective, it's the arm action paired with a slower spead. You would like a 10mph difference but most guys these days only have a 5-7mph difference, some less.
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Hogwash. Remember Hoffman with the Padres? Masterful changeup that he had only a couple of miles prer hour difference from his four seamer, but it didn't matter. The key to a change up is throwing it out of the same arm slot as the fastball.
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It's not the mph difference by itself that makes the change up effective, it's the arm action paired with a slower speed.
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Hogwash. Remember Hoffman with the Padres? Masterful changeup that he had only a couple of miles prer hour difference from his four seamer, but it didn't matter. The key to a change up is throwing it out of the same arm slot as the fastball.
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Hogwash. Remember Hoffman with the Padres? Masterful changeup that he had only a couple of miles prer hour difference from his four seamer, but it didn't matter. The key to a change up is throwing it out of the same arm slot as the fastball.
Speaking of Mr Hoffman.. he was in Cedar Rapids a couple weekends ago just to say thank you to the team that gave him his start. Really classy guy.