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Boston's Achilles heel being exposed here: their bullpen can't get anybody out.
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Man, Leon has blocked several pitches tonight that barely made it to the dirt in front of the plate.
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And now we're down to a margin where a single mistake can undo things.
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Wow, Stanton just watched all three strikes.
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Wow, Stanton just watched all three strikes.
That was weird.
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98 mph heaters down the middle are still tough to hit.
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Boston hangs on for the 5-4 win. They still look vulnerable.
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Houston can hit those fastballs.
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Houston can hit those fastballs.
I definitely hope we get the chance.
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Random notes after Game 1:
Houston recorded 12 hits, their 9th 10+ hit game in the postseason since the beginning of 2017.
George Springer has now hit a home run in five consecutive playoff games dating to last postseason, joining 2004 Carlos Beltran and 2015 Daniel Murphy.
Bregman's homer left his bat at 107.1mph
A list of pitchers off of whom Alex Bregman has hit a postseason home run:
-Chris Sale (x2)
-Clayton Kershaw
-Kenley Jansen
-Corey Kluber
Corey Kluber's last four postseason games: 15IP, 22H/17ER, 12K:5BB, 9HR. 10.20 ERA / 1.80 WHIP. (this shocked me).
Reddick on his role:
Last postseason, I think I got caught up in trying to be in the spotlight with these guys and try to hit the long ball. In reality, I'm the eight-hole, I'm not here to drive in runs - ironic today - but I'm not there to drive the long ball. I'm there to get on for those guys at the top of the lineup.
Verlander is now 12-6 in the postseason. Most postseason wins, MLB history:
1. Andy Pettitte: 19
2. John Smoltz: 15
3. Tom Glavine: 14
4. Roger Clemens: 12
4. Justin Verlander: 12
Houston reliever Hector Rondon, who Hinch said was "very upset" about not making the ALDS roster, did not come onto the field when he was introduced with the team's reserves before the game. He also was not on the field during the national anthem, but did join the team in the dugout for the game.
Cole on being an Astro:
You're not asked to conform to a system. You're asked to use the system to make yourself better. So, from an analytic standpoint, from a scouting report standpoint, from teammates and instructors, there's just a high level of quality here that's ahead of quite a bit of other teams.
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Houston reliever Hector Rondon, who Hinch said was "very upset" about not making the ALDS roster, did not come onto the field when he was introduced with the team's reserves before the game. He also was not on the field during the national anthem, but did join the team in the dugout for the game.
Don’t like it? Play better. I know he’s upset, and I would be too, but he pitched his way off the roster. No need to be a dick about it.
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Don’t like it? Play better. I know he’s upset, and I would be too, but he pitched his way off the roster. No need to be a dick about it.
He took a knee.
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He took a knee.
Now Nike is calling him.
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Boston’s bullpen is going to pitch at least 7.1 innings tonight. Price pulled in the 2nd inning, Yanks up 3-0.
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Boston’s bullpen is going to pitch at least 7.1 innings tonight. Price pulled in the 2nd inning, Yanks up 3-0.
/Palpatine
Good, goooood...
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Is it time to just give up on ever starting Price in a postseason game?
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Is it time to just give up on ever starting Price in a postseason game?
No. I like when he starts postseason games.
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No. I like when he starts postseason games.
Ha
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A list of pitchers off of whom Alex Bregman has hit a postseason home run:
-Chris Sale (x2)
-Clayton Kershaw
-Kenley Jansen
-Corey Kluber
-Tyler Bauer
Saw that Bregman is the 4th player in MLB history to hit his 1st 6 postseason HRs off of All-Stars. Tino Martinez was one, can't remember the other 2.
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Is it time to just give up on ever starting Price in a postseason game?
Alex Cora thinks so. He's moved him to the pen (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/red-sox-will-likely-use-price-in-relief-vs-yankees/ar-BBO6vtL?li=BBnb7Kz) for the balance of the series.
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Saw that Bregman is the 4th player in MLB history to hit his 1st 6 postseason HRs off of All-Stars. Tino Martinez was one, can't remember the other 2.
Jim Fucking Leyritz?
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Jim Fucking Leyritz?
All off of Billy Wagner
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All off of Billy Wagner
With 2-strikes, 2-outs.
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With 2-strikes, 2-outs.
Your whore mouth.
Shut. It.
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Your whore mouth.
Shut. It.
Let it roll...this is cathartic, if last year didn't do the job.
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Let it roll...this is cathartic, if last year didn't do the job.
Last year was awesome, but it wasn’t “my” Astros. I’d checked out for a few years before the WS win.
1998...those were my Astros (plus Randy Johnson). And, yes, I’m still bitter.
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Red Sox dropping a soupbone on the yanks in NYC. Does them going up 2-1, with one to play in NY before returning to Boston, make a 5th game more likely?
Please Please Please Please Please Please
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Stop the damn fight!
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Stop the damn fight!
No, keep going! I want to see if Angel can set a new record for overturned calls in one game.
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Angel Hernandez shitting all over 1B tonight. In the bottom of the 4th inning, he draws his 5th challenge and was overturned.
Seriously, how does this fucking guy still have a job working anywhere other than driving for Prestige Limousines?*
* Too soon?
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Joe Sheehan on Angel’s discrimination lawsuit:
“MLB needs to walk into court tomorrow with a tape of this game and a demand for summary judgment.”
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1998...those were my Astros (plus Randy Johnson). And, yes, I’m still bitter.
I got into a late-night-bourbon-fueled discussion over the weekend...I was steadfast in the position that the '98 team is the best Astros team ever.
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I got into a late-night-bourbon-fueled discussion over the weekend...I was steadfast in the position that the '98 team is the best Astros team ever.
Kudos on being bourbon-fueled, but this team is better. It’s distributed differently, and I’m not basing it on post-season success, but this team in properly stacked with fewer holes - notably at starting pitcher (1998 went from the Unit to the Shaner to Lima). The ‘98 versions of Bagwell, Alou and Ausmus walk onto this team though, as does Johnson. That’s probably about it for the starting 9 tjough.
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Kudos on being bourbon-fueled, but this team is better. It’s distributed differently, and I’m not basing it on post-season success, but this team in properly stacked with fewer holes - notably at starting pitcher (1998 went from the Unit to the Shaner to Lima). The ‘98 versions of Bagwell, Alou and Ausmus walk onto this team though, as does Johnson. That’s probably about it for the starting 9 tjough.
1998 Biggio over 2018 Altuve.
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Kudos on being bourbon-fueled, but this team is better. It’s distributed differently, and I’m not basing it on post-season success, but this team in properly stacked with fewer holes - notably at starting pitcher (1998 went from the Unit to the Shaner to Lima). The ‘98 versions of Bagwell, Alou and Ausmus walk onto this team though, as does Johnson. That’s probably about it for the starting 9 tjough.
My god... could you imagine Bagwell and Alou on this team?
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1998 Biggio over 2018 Altuve
This is the only one where I can easily see both sides. I went with Altuve over his mobility and arm because, otherwise, they’re the same player.
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My god... could you imagine Bagwell and Alou on this team?
And Carl “C4” Everett at DH/OF.
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Reports circulating claim that Severino showed up 8 minutes before game time because didn’t know what time the game started. Can that be real? It might explain - but not excuse - his 3IP / 7R effort.
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My god... could you imagine Bagwell and Alou on this team?
They're pretty old, and Baggy never really took to throwing left handed.
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They're pretty old, and Baggy never really took to throwing left handed.
Well, if we’re talking today then I’d say Alou could still get up off the couch, piss on his hands, grab a bat, and be good for a clutch single.
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Red Sox 16 - Yankees 1 Final from the Bronx. Brock Holt hits for the cycle - the first in postseason history. The HR was hit off Austin Romine.
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Reports circulating claim that Severino showed up 8 minutes before game time because didn’t know what time the game started. Can that be real? It might explain - but not excuse - his 3IP / 7R effort.
The mlb.com story I saw said that he didn't go out to the bullpen to warm up until 10 minutes before game time - presumably thinking it was another 8:15 or whatever start time, rather than 7:40.
Either way, of course, inexcusable, and you wonder why no one else with the team tried to get him out there sooner. Should never happen in a playoff game.
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Brock Holt, a Texan and an Owl, is the other Marwin. That was his second cycle.
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Several amusing things from that game, including Angel having 3 calls overturned at 1st.
Even more amusing: that means Angel will be behind the plate tonight.
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Several amusing things from that game, including Angel having 3 calls overturned at 1st.
Even more amusing: that means Angel will be behind the plate tonight.
Tape of that game will be defense exhibit A in his lawsuit against MLB. I wonder if he'll have a case of 24-hour flu tonight?
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Tape of that game will be defense exhibit A in his lawsuit against MLB. I wonder if he'll have a case of 24-hour flu tonight?
Angel's anguished facial expression by the time of the third overturn was priceless. Southwest Airlines could use it in a "Wanna Get Away" commercial.
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Brock Holt, a Texan and an Owl, is the other Marwin. That was his second cycle.
Curb thy tongue. King Marwin has no peer.
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Red Sox 16 - Yankees 1 Final from the Bronx. Brock Holt hits for the cycle - the first in postseason history. The HR was hit off Austin Romine.
Only the second position player to ever pitch in a MLB Post Season game ever.
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Only the second position player to ever pitch in a MLB Post Season game ever.
He must feel so special and proud.
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He must feel so special and proud.
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Apparently their bench coach asked him in the 8th "Can you throw?"
And Romine said "I can try."
GOOD ENOUGH!
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alds shirts actually available in austin at academy. NO waiting this year
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The Yankees are carrying themselves like they really don't give a shit. Hicks' "effort" at that single (the first hit of the top of the 3rd) was especially galling.
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The Yankees are carrying themselves like they really don't give a shit. Hicks' "effort" at that single (the first hit of the top of the 3rd) was especially galling.
DeeDee played for the Canberra Cavalry in the ABL, I find that especially galling.
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Gregorius is standing there on 3rd with a grin on his face. WTH? Game face, dude...
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Porcello is eating them alive with breaking stuff.
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Yeah, the Yankees aren't cooperating with our wishes for a game 5.
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Curb thy tongue. King Marwin has no peer.
No one loves Marwin more than I.
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It seem wrong that a shitty umpire like Angel Hernandez gets a Postseason assignment.
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It seem wrong that a shitty umpire like Angel Hernandez gets a Postseason assignment.
Or remains employed.
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I know what The Church Lady would say to Clevinger's hot takes:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er)
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I know what The Church Lady would say to Clevinger's hot takes:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er)
Clevinger is making Bauer seem like the lesser prick.
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I know what The Church Lady would say to Clevinger's hot takes:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/indians-sp-mike-clevinger-gets-into-twitter-spat-with-mlb-network-host-astros/bk33o4fypayd1tmralmd2m9er)
He seems like a well-educated and thoughtful young man.
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He seems like a well-educated and thoughtful young man.
He might have missed the 4th grade class on the whole you’re/your discussion. But maybe I don’t understand Twitter... are commas discouraged there also?
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Kimbrel in to face Judge, Didi, and Stanton. ALCS matchup might be decided soon. As much as I’d like a game 5, I don’t see it happening.
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Kimbrel in to face Judge, Didi, and Stanton. ALCS matchup might be decided soon. As much as I’d like a game 5, I don’t see it happening.
Sale pitched the 8th.
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Kimbrel in to face Judge, Didi, and Stanton. ALCS matchup might be decided soon. As much as I’d like a game 5, I don’t see it happening.
If those drunken yanks fans could throw those cans a bit straighter, that would help.
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Sale pitched the 8th.
It was basically a bullpen session. He would start game one.
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That AB by Stanton is pretty much why I gave zero shits when the Yankmes signed (edited to add “traded for”) him.
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That AB by Stanton is pretty much why I have zero shits when the Yankmes signed him.
My first thought was dang, how much does he get paid?
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Bases juiced in the bottom of the 9th, 1 out.
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Hbp plates a run.
4-2, still juiced, still 1 out.
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Bases juiced in the bottom of the 9th, 1 out.
Wow, what a meltdown by Kimbrell
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Kimbrel can shut it down in a moments notice. I hope he doesn’t.
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5 straight balls, so Sanchez swings/misses at one high/ tight.
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Sanchez so overmatched.
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Sanchez be hackin’
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Sac fly.
4-3.
2 outs.
Runners 1st/2nd.
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That was so close to a game 5.
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I’m not gunna lie. I have to get up early and I don’t care. Please give us extra innings.
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Balls.
Red Sox/Astros
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Bosox win it.
Should be Sale/Verlander Saturday night.
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Bosox win it.
Should be Sale/Verlander Saturday night.
FTRS
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FTRS
Fuck both of them.
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Fuck both of them.
Yup. It would have been FTY also.
This series is going to be very difficult.
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Yup. It would have been FTY also.
This series is going to be very difficult.
Probably, but I would rather play in Fenway than Yankee Stadium. Postseason games are supposed to be difficult.
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Clevinger is making Bauer seem like the lesser prick.
They're still shitty
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Probably, but I would rather play in Fenway than Yankee Stadium. Postseason games are supposed to be difficult.
I think the Astros match up better against the Red Sox, in addition to always being glad to see the Yankees eliminated.
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I think the Astros match up better against the Red Sox, in addition to always being glad to see the Yankees eliminated.
The Red Sox are plainly a better overall team than the Yankees. The Astros and the Red Sox are plainly the two best teams in the league, and likely in baseball.
The Astros are better than Cleveland, and things broke in the Astros' way during the series, but Cleveland is a very, very good team, perfectly capable of beating New York or Boston in a series of any length, and to act like it was a matter of routine for the Astros to show up and stomp the shit out of them both does Cleveland a disservice and probably fails to appreciate just how good the Astros can be.
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to act like it was a matter of routine for the Astros to show up and stomp the shit out of them both does Cleveland a disservice and probably fails to appreciate just how good the Astros can be.
Cleveland has two of the top-5 hitters in baseball, 4 200+ K starting pitchers, and a very good supporting cast. The fact that the Astros ran through them was a remarkable feat.
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The Red Sox are plainly a better overall team than the Yankees. The Astros and the Red Sox are plainly the two best teams in the league, and likely in baseball.
The Astros are better than Cleveland, and things broke in the Astros' way during the series, but Cleveland is a very, very good team, perfectly capable of beating New York or Boston in a series of any length, and to act like it was a matter of routine for the Astros to show up and stomp the shit out of them both does Cleveland a disservice and probably fails to appreciate just how good the Astros can be.
This.
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The Red Sox are plainly a better overall team than the Yankees. The Astros and the Red Sox are plainly the two best teams in the league, and likely in baseball.
The Astros are better than Cleveland, and things broke in the Astros' way during the series, but Cleveland is a very, very good team, perfectly capable of beating New York or Boston in a series of any length, and to act like it was a matter of routine for the Astros to show up and stomp the shit out of them both does Cleveland a disservice and probably fails to appreciate just how good the Astros can be.
Also even though it seemed lopsided in the end, those were all close games. Game 1 was neck and neck through the 7th inning stretch. Game 2 was a 2 run game. The Indians led Game 3 for most of the game and it took a swinging bunt and Bauer's throwing error on a sure double play to open up the game. The Astros of course won decisively, but the notion that it was a cake walk or the Indians to put up much of fight is ludicrous.
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Also even though it seemed lopsided in the end, those were all close games. Game 1 was neck and neck through the 7th inning stretch. Game 2 was a 2 run game. The Indians led Game 3 for most of the game and it took a swinging bunt and Bauer's throwing error on a sure double play to open up the game. The Astros of course won decisively, but the notion that it was a cake walk or the Indians to put up much of fight is ludicrous.
They led Game 2 until Marwin’s double off Miller in the 6th. We dominated them overall statistically, but our runs came late.
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Also even though it seemed lopsided in the end, those were all close games. Game 1 was neck and neck through the 7th inning stretch. Game 2 was a 2 run game. The Indians led Game 3 for most of the game and it took a swinging bunt and Bauer's throwing error on a sure double play to open up the game. The Astros of course won decisively, but the notion that it was a cake walk or the Indians to put up much of fight is ludicrous.
Agreed, Stros beat a damn good team ! Whats so fun for me is all the "little" things we seem to do better than most. We were pretty well evenly matched, but our defense is hard to beat (especially in OF) . And overall team speed and our base running are just about tops. This really hit home for me in game 2 with Melky boxing it around in the RF corner and Bregman cutting the bases perfectly and scoring by a hair.
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They led Game 2 until Marwin’s double off Miller in the 6th. We dominated them overall statistically, but our runs came late.
IMO, in hindsight, removing Carrasco was the big mistake.
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IMO, in hindsight, removing Carrasco was the big mistake.
Managers keep making that mistake against the Astros - Roberts did it all the time in the WS last year while Hinch just let the hot hand go if and until it cooled off. It's the American League! How hard can it be?
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IMO, in hindsight, removing Carrasco was the big mistake.
What does Marwin do against him the 3rd time? At that point he was the only one who had good swings on CC.
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IMO, in hindsight, removing Carrasco was the big mistake.
At the time, bringing in Miller was the absolute right move. They turned Marwin around to his weaker side, and he had almo no previous success against Miller-6Ks in 8 ABs. Hindsight never loses.
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At the time, bringing in Miller was the absolute right move. They turned Marwin around to his weaker side, and he had almo no previous success against Miller-6Ks in 8 ABs. Hindsight never loses.
This year's Miller was not nearly the force that the '16 and '17 Miller was. Although I don't think Francona was wrong to do what he did, I'll bet he was plenty nervous about it.
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At the time, bringing in Miller was the absolute right move. They turned Marwin around to his weaker side, and he had almo no previous success against Miller-6Ks in 8 ABs. Hindsight never loses.
Absolutely. Tito is being criticized a little for that move, which I find unfair and disingenuous. Suppose that he hadn't turned Marwin around, and Marwin hit the ball out of the yard, the critics and monday morning quarterbacks would have jumped on him for that.
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Absolutely. Tito is being criticized a little for that move, which I find unfair and disingenuous. Suppose that he hadn't turned Marwin around, and Marwin hit the ball out of the yard, the critics and monday morning quarterbacks would have jumped on him for that.
The Joy's of being an MLB manager. If you make the right move, the player gets all the credit for getting the job done. If you make the wrong move(even if it was the right move that just didnt work), then you are an incompetent jackass who shouldn't have a job. Not an easy gig
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The Joy's of being an MLB manager. If you make the right move, the player gets all the credit for getting the job done. If you make the wrong move(even if it was the right move that just didnt work), then you are an incompetent jackass who shouldn't have a job. Not an easy gig
Tank Commander
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Francona on the Astros post-ALDS. "They won 101 games, we won 91. I think their division was better. So over the course of a long season, they were better than us," he said. "That doesn't mean you can't win a short series. Their two starting pitchers we faced the first two days were virtually unhittable. If you kind of simplify it, we got three hits off of their first two pitchers, and I actually thought we had a pretty good approach. We didn't chase much. If we'd have chased, we might not have gotten any hits. We were pretty disciplined in the zone.
"Their stuff was off-the-charts good. You can talk about intangibles, you can talk about analytics. Analytically, those first two guys are really good. That makes you look a lot smarter."
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Tank Commander
I thought of the 'ole Iraqi Tank Commander when I read this article today.
https://theathletic.com/585408/2018/10/12/rosenthal-get-ready-for-managerial-chess-matches-unlike-any-other-in-postseason-history/?source=dailyemail