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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Snuffy on August 06, 2018, 11:23:23 am
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....Verlander said. ...."I haven’t really paid attention to (Osuna's case), for obvious reasons –It wasn’t really in my life (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/07/30/justin-verlander-roberto-osuna-astros/868450002/)”
This quote captured what I believe many feel about the Osuna trade: we wish he (& the topics & pics of his abuse) were NOT part of Astros baseball and, therefore, my life! It makes baseball less fun, it does not distract us from the awfulness of life (aka reality). We would prefer for the evil of the outside world to "stay out" of our enjoyment of baseball.
This article has helped me understand that the barrier b/t baseball and the outside world is breaking beyond repair. It is a little long, but worth it IMHO :
For a lot of fans and writers, maintaining the illusion (https://www.pinstripealley.com/2018/8/4/17628990/mlb-yankees-gary-sanchez-josh-hader-sean-newcomb-trea-turner-chapman-sonny-gray-illusion-hustle-grit) of baseball is more important than baseball itself.
(Like the NYPD officer after 9/11) … just wanted to sit back and watch a game of baseball for three hours to distract him from the horrors of the world....
Reality is breaking down the walls of the illusion more and more. The information genie is out there, and Aladdin has set him free.... Unless we fix reality, the barriers of escapism will keep cracking....
Part of the emotion around the Osuna trade may come from the realization that... ....Baseball won’t let a lot of fans simply ignore reality and stick to sports. The illusion (https://www.pinstripealley.com/2018/8/4/17628990/mlb-yankees-gary-sanchez-josh-hader-sean-newcomb-trea-turner-chapman-sonny-gray-illusion-hustle-grit) is not there for them....
Baseball now reminds of us the world in which we live.
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Ask Jackie Robinson if baseball was a distraction from the horrors of the world.
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Oh, please. Isn’t it about time to stop all the handwringing analysis and to wait and watch what happens.
Baseball is my reality for the time it takes to attend or to tune into a game. Baseball is not an illusion or an escape..
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Ask Jackie Robinson if baseball was a distraction from the horrors of the world.
Absolutely true! This article is written from the fan's perspective, not the players - and certainly not Jackie Robinson's. Has all the abuse he received ever come out?
Aaron received threats as he approached Ruth's record. Have only the most egregious examples have come to light?
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I deleted my last post b/c it was not helpful and was not part of my reason for the original post.
More later.
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The Black Sox scandal happened 100 years ago.
The age of baseball innocence ended long before the vast majority of the earth's current inhabitants were born.
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The Black Sox scandal happened 100 years ago.
The age of baseball innocence ended long before the vast majority of the earth's current inhabitants were born.
Nice of you to be thinking of my dad like that.
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Nice of you to be thinking of my dad like that.
Well played, sir. Old Man smack never grows old.
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Well played, sir. Old Man smack never grows old.
A'Thank you.
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Nice of you to be thinking of my dad like that.
I award you all the clapping gifs.
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Well played, sir. Old Man smack never grows old.
Gotta love the humor on this board! It is great to see the banter b/t old friends.
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Nice of you to be thinking of my dad like that.
Hey!
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More from “On the Yankees and when the illusion (https://www.pinstripealley.com/2018/8/4/17628990/mlb-yankees-gary-sanchez-josh-hader-sean-newcomb-trea-turner-chapman-sonny-gray-illusion-hustle-grit) of baseball is all that matters”:
… With baseball players, it was much easier to ignore their more hideous flaws back in the golden age because the internet did not exist. It’s harder to maintain the illusion when blatant evidence of player’s awfulness is shoved in our faces 24/7….
…. I can’t speak for everyone, nor should I, but I’m willing to bet that most people that get told to “stick to sports” want to a hell of a lot more than anyone else in this world.
That’s not an option for them, though. They get to watch beloved sports columnists go into instant defense mode whenever a player’s garbage comes bursting out…..
Why is it that some players are fired - effectively banned for life - when their garbage bursts out while others are able to pay fines, etc. and continue to be able to play?
An example will follow...
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What should happen to a player (or star, etc.) when their garbage comes out, especially when a felony has been committed?
Certainly justice must be served! MLB justice is mainly CYA, especially with video evidence available.
While fans can only rant about it, club owners have the option of dumping (or trading) the garbage so the offense can no longer currently identified with "our" team. Best case would be for the player to become a leper, an untouchable by any team.
What about real second chances? Does a felony charge dismissed by a plea bargain require a lifetime ban?
What about something called “Restorative Justice?” (http://restorativejustice.org/restorative-justice/about-restorative-justice/tutorial-intro-to-restorative-justice/#sthash.mYzb6jN2.y7L9iISA.dpbs)
Restorative justice is a theory of justice that emphasizes repairing the harm caused by criminal behaviour. It is best accomplished through cooperative processes that include all stakeholders. This can lead to transformation of people, relationships and communities.
Restorative justice theory and programs have emerged over the past 35 years as an increasingly influential world-wide alternative to criminal justice practice.....
"....….A prison sentence is not the end of a life…. ….When (Chuck) Colson (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/13/colson-task-force-offers-chance-for-restorative-justice.html) left federal prison in 1976, he made it his mission to never forget the men he had met behind bars. Because he recognized that the likelihood of men and women being transformed in prison is closely linked to the kind of justice system in which they serve their time, his work included the founding of Justice Fellowship, the criminal justice reform and advocacy arm of Prison Fellowship, in 1983..... "
Prisons are overcrowded and hopeless; prison reform is needed. Can players - people, even fans - with public garbage really change? And, if so, what then?
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There are no words to describe the video. I neither know him nor will attempt to advocate for Danry Vazquez. Until today, I never considered looking him up in Google.
I do have questions.
On 13 Mar 18, he pleaded that he had been “truly changed.” (http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/03/16/ex-baseball-prospect-danry-vasquez-speaks-out-after-video-allegedly-shows-him-beating-then-girlfriend-ive-truly-changed.html) .
On 15 Mar 18, the same day his case was dismissed (https://wearemitu.com/things-that-matter/danry-vasquez-domestic-violence/), the 2016 video of the beating was released - and Danry Vasquez was fired. Zero tolerance.
The reported plea deal included:
The judge dismissed the case this week because Vasquez agreed to pay a fine and take classes (reports did not specify the type of classes he was signed up for).
Possible training was described in this link (https://www.caller.com/story/news/crime/2017/01/17/former-hooks-player-expected-accept-plea-domestic-abuse-case/96663452/)
…writing a judicial confession detailing what he did and attending a 24-week batterer's class at the Women's Shelter of South Texas.
If he completes all the requirements of the agreement, the Nueces County District Attorney's Office will dismiss the charge...
….(new District Attorney Mark Gonzalez) "the focus is the education ... to try to keep this from ever happening again,"
The video of the horrific crime will never disappear - I wished I could unsee it years ago! It appears that Danry was able to avoid prison time while justice has been served. He did not buy his way out.
Will/should any team take the risk of giving him a try out, much less signing him? Has he run out of 2nd chances? Have his 2016 acts - especially the video of them - permanently eliminated the privilege of playing baseball for him?
Who gets second chances in baseball from the garbage heap?
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Only the talented ones get second chances. It sucks, but that's the way of the world.
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Only the talented ones get second chances. It sucks, but that's the way of the world.
Absolutely, but not always, true, MusicMan. Tks for reading so far.
The point of this thread will follow, probably tomorrow.
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Only the talented ones get second chances. It sucks, but that's the way of the world.
As Jacksonian told us, he is very talented.
Will this thread eventually end?
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Absolutely, but not always, true, MusicMan. Tks for reading so far.
The point of this thread will follow, probably tomorrow.
Please no. Enough.
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Sports can be an escape for anyone... just like gambling, going to a bar, hanging with friends can be. Anything can be your reality, or escape.
Kind of stupid to pretend like professional sports of any kind are some safe, happy place intended to be gee-whiz good ole fun. They exist in their current mega states because they are multi-million (maybe billion) dollar industries.
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Please no. Enough.
One more post should do it
Your right, JimR, I am done.
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As Jacksonian told us, he is very talented.
Will this thread eventually end?
This thread is not a safe space.
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This thread is not a safe space.
Somebody’s draft master’s thesis.
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"Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life".
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Please no. Enough.
Your right, JimR.
It is enough. Too many words.
I'm going back to ckg on the Astros.
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Your right, JimR.
It is enough. Too many words.
I'm going back to ckg on the Astros.
Baseball is life. The rest is just details.
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Baseball is life. The rest is just details.
Appreciate that POV. You are a true baseball fan.
Baseball is boring only to those that don't see it as a chess or war game.
While It is magnetic, most enjoyable (at times), and has an ebb and flow that emulates life, it is a just a part of my life.
The article highlights how reality is piercing the baseball bubble for us, not allowing it to be our life.
PS: I remember when as a very young fan, the shock of the Sporting News announcement to allow the "intrusion" of other (lesser, IMHO) sports, and, later as a high schooler, when a SN subscription was cancelled (???) due to the anticipated rigor of college. Never considered cancelling it, but it was easier with only a few pages were dedicated to baseball and only a few paragraphs to individual MLB teams.
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Appreciate that POV. You are a true baseball fan.
Baseball is boring only to those that don't see it as a chess or war game.
While It is magnetic, most enjoyable (at times), and has an ebb and flow that emulates life, it is a just a part of my life.
The article highlights how reality is piercing the baseball bubble for us, not allowing it to be our life.
PS: I remember when as a very young fan, the shock of the Sporting News announcement to allow the "intrusion" of other (lesser, IMHO) sports, and, later as a high schooler, when a SN subscription was cancelled (???) due to the anticipated rigor of college. Never considered cancelling it, but it was easier with only a few pages were dedicated to baseball and only a few paragraphs to individual MLB teams.
Seriously, pal, lighten up. That was on a T shirt my kids once gave me. It does not represent my view of life.
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Seriously, pal, lighten up. That was on a T shirt my kids once gave me. It does not represent my view of life.
Yes, I got wound up on this thread w/ a something that I had to let go.
Good feedback! Tks!