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Title: The WS Baseballs
Post by: Lefty on October 29, 2017, 11:45:42 am
Lots of grousing from the players and coaches about the leather being slick and affecting pitches, especially the slider:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/29/world-series-baseballs-leather-justin-verlander-yu-darvish-ken-giles-kenley-jansen

“I just want to know why? Why in the world would the baseballs in the World Series be different? Because you can see the difference. You can feel it. I don’t understand it at all.” -- Brent Strom

Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: Nate in IA on October 29, 2017, 03:01:28 pm
I wonder if this can be ascribed to malice by the MLB execs.     They wanted more home runs because they think that's what people want in a baseball game so they doctor the balls so that these pitchers have their bread and butter pitch taken away from them.      There's always a negative to any change that happens and this time, I don't think it's Giles, I think it's Manfred.
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: subnuclear on October 30, 2017, 09:30:26 am
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" In any case, I hope the effect is more mental than physical, though the players don't think so. 
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: moriartp on October 30, 2017, 08:28:21 pm


I wonder if this can be ascribed to malice by the MLB execs.     They wanted more home runs because they think that's what people want in a baseball game so they doctor the balls so that these pitchers have their bread and butter pitch taken away from them.      There's always a negative to any change that happens and this time, I don't think it's Giles, I think it's Manfred.

We'll end up with some hints one way or the other this offseason: will MLB make an effort to investigate the problem? Implement stricter standards for ball manufacturing? Continue to pretend nothing's changed?
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 30, 2017, 09:43:13 pm

We'll end up with some hints one way or the other this offseason: will MLB make an effort to investigate the problem? Implement stricter standards for ball manufacturing? Continue to pretend nothing's changed?
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Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: BUWebguy on October 31, 2017, 10:32:15 am
We'll end up with some hints one way or the other this offseason: will MLB make an effort to investigate the problem? Implement stricter standards for ball manufacturing? Continue to pretend nothing's changed?

According to USA Today, "MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said before Game 3 that he is 'absolutely confident that the balls that we’re using are within our established specifications.'"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mlb/2017/10/29/world-series-slick-baseballs-sliders-pitcher-performance/811320001/
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: NeilT on October 31, 2017, 10:34:31 am
According to USA Today, "MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said before Game 3 that he is 'absolutely confident that the balls that we’re using are within our established specifications for juice slick World Series balls with no bite.'"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mlb/2017/10/29/world-series-slick-baseballs-sliders-pitcher-performance/811320001/

FIFH.  But why would we complain?
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: moriartp on October 31, 2017, 02:35:30 pm
Fuck that from Manfred. If the specs allow enough variation that it changes the game as much as it has, tighten the fucking specs.
Title: Re: The WS Baseballs
Post by: das on October 31, 2017, 04:08:38 pm
Fuck that from Manfred. If the specs allow enough variation that it changes the game as much as it has, tighten the fucking specs.

No kidding. His response was worse than a non-answer.