OrangeWhoopass.com Forums

General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: HudsonHawk on October 18, 2017, 07:35:08 pm

Title: Game 6
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 18, 2017, 07:35:08 pm
You have to sit Reddick and give Maybin the start.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: doyce7 on October 18, 2017, 07:42:38 pm
Fuck, put maybin in center and start Fisher in right. Can't do much worse can They?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 18, 2017, 07:44:24 pm
Fuck, put maybin in center and start Fisher in right. Can't do much worse can They?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

You can't sit both Reddick and Springer, but you can't run Reddick out there again.  He's lost his chance to "try to get it going". 
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: baron on October 18, 2017, 07:45:02 pm
Springer could DH in the 8 hole!

 ;)
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: doyce7 on October 18, 2017, 07:46:03 pm
You can't sit both Reddick and Springer, but you can't run Reddick out there again.  He's lost his chance to "try to get it going".
I was mostly joking

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: DVauthrin on October 18, 2017, 08:10:02 pm
You can't sit both Reddick and Springer, but you can't run Reddick out there again.  He's lost his chance to "try to get it going".

The problem is other than Yuli, you could say that about the entire lineup right now.  At least Altuve and Correa were hitting the first two games.  In New York, they did nothing.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 18, 2017, 08:37:21 pm
The problem is other than Yuli, you could say that about the entire lineup right now.  At least Altuve and Correa were hitting the first two games.  In New York, they did nothing.

That's why you have to do something.  And you can't sit Correa or Altuve or Bregman.  They're the only ones who can play those positions without otherwise also opening a spot in the outfield, in which case you still have to start Maybin or Fisher.  Outfield is really the only opportunity you have to make a simple change. 
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 18, 2017, 08:50:31 pm
Our options are underwhelming.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: roadrunner on October 18, 2017, 09:02:14 pm
I can't watch another Beltran at bat.  Fisher, Gattis...anyone over Beltran.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 18, 2017, 09:45:55 pm
Verlander's pitching.   Put the best defense out there and pray he keeps pitching like he has and the Astros can scratch out 2 runs.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Waldo on October 18, 2017, 09:52:48 pm
Verlander's pitching.

At least if that doesn't go well it won't be for lack of effort.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JimR on October 18, 2017, 11:42:52 pm
Do not panic. We can win. Same lineup. Go get ‘em.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 19, 2017, 12:09:28 am
Im with Jim.  Ride with who got them here.   If you felt like you had to shake things up, then move Yuli into the top 3.   He is the one guy I want getting as many at bats as possible right now.   
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JimR on October 19, 2017, 12:36:57 am
This team has won 106 games. Three bad games should not cause wholesale changes. The bullpen lost Game 4.

Win Game 6, and I like our chances.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 19, 2017, 12:51:38 am
I don't think moving 1 guy up in the order equates wholesale changes, but I agree with your other 2 points.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JimR on October 19, 2017, 07:15:15 am
I don't think moving 1 guy up in the order equates wholesale changes, but I agree with your other 2 points.

I was not referring to your post.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 19, 2017, 07:35:21 am
I don't think moving 1 guy up in the order equates wholesale changes, but I agree with your other 2 points.

I don't think giving Reddick a game off equates to making wholesale changes either.  I understand about dancing with them that brung you, but this is bad and it's the end of the line.  Perhaps I was just having a knee jerk reaction after a tough loss, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: roadrunner on October 19, 2017, 08:29:09 am
I'm fine with keeping the order mostly the same, but I can't get behind starting Beltran again.  Gattis, Fisher (my choice), or whoever...just not Beltran.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Limey on October 19, 2017, 08:35:54 am
Do not panic. We can win. Same lineup. Go get ‘em.

In addition to going 51-31 (+20) at home in the regular season, the Yankees are now 6-0 at home in the post-season.  Conversely they were "only" 42-40 (+2) on the road in the regular season and, more importantly, 1-3 on the road in the post-season.

The Astros were 48-33 at home in the regular season (+15) and are currently 4-0 in the post-season.

We were never going to roll into Yankee Stadium and sweep.  Getting swept sucks but, the split that would have avoided all this wailing and gnashing of teeth, was there for the taking in Game #4, they let it slip away unfortunately.

We have, not only the Astros' best starter on the home mound for Game #6, but one of MLB's best.  Reasons to be cheerful...
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Jacksonian on October 19, 2017, 08:59:43 am
I don't think giving Reddick a game off equates to making wholesale changes either.  I understand about dancing with them that brung you, but this is bad and it's the end of the line.  Perhaps I was just having a knee jerk reaction after a tough loss, but I don't think so.

I think Springer's the key here.  If he becomes willing to go to right field with every swing then Reddick will be batting with him on base often.  That changes the dynamic without changing players.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Fredia on October 19, 2017, 09:02:49 am
from your mouth to managements ears
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: BlownRanger on October 19, 2017, 09:04:08 am
Do not panic. We can win. Same lineup. Go get ‘em.

It's not panicking to note that something is clearly not right with Reddick right now, and if the Astros had an alternative who has a decent chance of producing some offense, I'd be all for the change, but they don't.  Neither Maybin nor Fisher is likely to produce, and your defense is greatly diminished by inserting either of them.

Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: BudGirl on October 19, 2017, 09:51:34 am
I'd like a good defensive catcher replacement.  But, if Verlander wants McCann behind the plate, he gets McCann behind the plate.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JJxvi on October 19, 2017, 09:53:50 am
Anybody got a live chicken?
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 10:09:15 am
Anybody got a live chicken?
on it. and Jobu likes Rum.
I am completely mystified by these Astros. Not shocked by the bullpen blowing game 4--that happens--you bounce back if you are fortunate enough to still have a tomorrow and fight harder. I did not see any fight at all yesterday. I have no idea what to think when the offense that beat the Red Sox simply does not show up in NY. It's not the opposing pitchers. What can a manager do when an elite offense abruptly goes dark when it matters most?
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: juliogotay on October 19, 2017, 10:11:11 am
Fuck, put maybin in center and start Fisher in right. Can't do much worse can They?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Yes. If you think Riddick is overmatched...
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: astrojo on October 19, 2017, 12:36:50 pm
Yes. If you think Riddick is overmatched...

Also Reddick is a plus defender, and has been making the plays that even give the pitching and offense a chance to win.  He's slumping for sure, but he's still contributing defensively. 
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: MusicMan on October 19, 2017, 01:57:17 pm
This is why you win all those regular season games.

You have your ace for game 6. You have a wild home field advantage for game 7, BBGs willing.

Over? Nothing is over until we say it is!
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Reuben on October 19, 2017, 02:09:23 pm
I think they should start Beltran in CF, batting 2nd, so he'll get confused and play like it's the '04 LCS.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 02:31:11 pm
I think they should start Beltran in CF, batting 2nd, so he'll get confused and play like it's the '04 LCS.
that would be nice. And Beltran's  glove his waiting for him out there, in its grave.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: juliogotay on October 19, 2017, 02:34:16 pm
I think they should start Beltran in CF, batting 2nd, so he'll get confused and play like it's the '04 LCS.

I didn't remember him batting 2nd. Between Biggio and Bagwell I suppose.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: BudGirl on October 19, 2017, 02:35:41 pm
I didn't remember him batting 2nd. Between Biggio and Bagwell I suppose.

put them in the lineup, they should be well-rested.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: MusicMan on October 19, 2017, 02:35:47 pm
I think they should start Beltran in CF, batting 2nd, so he'll get confused and play like it's the '04 LCS.

That's just what they'll be expecting us to do!
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: toddthebod on October 19, 2017, 02:56:34 pm
I am going to drink a lot of rum Friday night and eat chicken.  Of course, that's pretty much what I do every Friday night.  But hey.  It worked for most of the season.

As for the lineup, I'd like to see Gattis DH over Beltran.  But neither Fisher nor Maybin do it for me.  I think you just have to go with the rest of the lineup and hope these guys remember how to hit.   

Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JimR on October 19, 2017, 03:17:00 pm
Lots of nonsense being posted. 106 wins.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: BudGirl on October 19, 2017, 03:20:59 pm
Lots of nonsense being posted. 106 wins.

Are you going tomorrow?  If so, I'll need to go give you a hug again!
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 03:24:09 pm
I didn't remember him batting 2nd. Between Biggio and Bagwell I suppose.
[/quote
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212093354/carlos-beltrans-2004-october-still-a-wonder/

Article about Beltran in 04. Good quotes from Bagwell, Ausmus, Hunsicker. I was wondering if Beltran's performance had been over-glamorized in my memory--if anything I was giving him less credit than he deserved. Probably got colored by the disappointment of him signing with the Mets. Hope Beltran can do something for the team on the field in this League series.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: BUWebguy on October 19, 2017, 03:32:09 pm
I didn't remember him batting 2nd. Between Biggio and Bagwell I suppose.

Pretty consistent lineups in that NLCS:

Game 1: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Backe
Game 2: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Munro
Game 3: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Clemens
Game 4: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Chavez, Oswalt
Game 5: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Backe
Game 6: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Lamb, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Munro
Game 7: Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, Kent, Ensberg, Vizcaino, Ausmus, Clemens
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 03:43:04 pm
Is your point that 106 wins a new team record for combined regular and postseason victories? That's a good point. They are a better than team than the disappointing NY games suggest. 

But the number I keep thinking about is eleven. Not five postseason victories, or seven. I want them to turn the fog machine to eleven. 
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Reuben on October 19, 2017, 03:59:10 pm
I didn't remember him batting 2nd. Between Biggio and Bagwell I suppose.
I'm almost certain. Without looking it up, my guess would be:
Biggio LF
Beltran CF
Berkman RF
Bagwell 1B
Kent 2B
Ensberg/Lamb 3B
Vizcaino SS (AE injured)
Ausmus C
(pitcher) P
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 04:01:56 pm
I'm almost certain. Without looking it up, my guess would be:
Biggio LF
Beltran CF
Berkman RF
Bagwell 1B
Kent 2B
Ensberg/Lamb 3B
Vizcaino SS (AE injured)
Ausmus C
(pitcher) P
your memory/guesswork is awesome, but it doesn't have to be--look up a couple of posts.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Reuben on October 19, 2017, 04:09:06 pm
your memory/guesswork is awesome, but it doesn't have to be--look up a couple of posts.
Huh. I somehow missed a few newer posts. I did have Bagwell and Berkman swapped. Surprised Chavez got a start.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: juliogotay on October 19, 2017, 04:13:34 pm
Huh. I somehow missed a few newer posts. I did have Bagwell and Berkman swapped. Surprised Chavez got a start.

pretty good Veteran lineup. Shame it didn't work out with that group.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 19, 2017, 04:14:05 pm
Maybe to settle nerves we can discuss Everett and his value to the club.

/ducks to avoid flying objects/
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Limey on October 19, 2017, 04:49:25 pm
pretty good Veteran lineup. Shame it didn't work out with that group.

The hapless Dan Micelli in Game 6 and the gutless Roger Clemens in Game 7, undid them.   Still not happy about it.

Don't forget that the Jakes then went on to stink up the WS, losing the first two games at Fenway in which Boston committed 4 errors in each, then losing the next two in STL scoring 1 run in the process.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: astrojo on October 19, 2017, 04:59:14 pm
The hapless Dan Micelli in Game 6 and the gutless Roger Clemens in Game 7, undid them.   Still not happy about it.

Don't forget that the Jakes then went on to stink up the WS, losing the first two games at Fenway in which Boston committed 4 errors in each, then losing the next two in STL scoring 1 run in the process.

Ugh Jim Edmonds.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Mr. Appropriate on October 19, 2017, 05:27:59 pm
pretty good Veteran lineup. Shame it didn't work out with that group.
Just noticed something--both starting catchers in the 2004 NLCS series went on to be Managers (Ausmus and Matheny). Matheny has lost to Boston in the World Series as a Manager and a Player.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Fredia on October 19, 2017, 06:48:30 pm
this night off is brutal, I can only imagine what the Astros are feeling.  They did not look like their perky selves on an interview on Austin tv
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 19, 2017, 07:18:34 pm
"This is why I'm here. "
- Verlander (via McTaggart tweet)

I like the Chris Pratt gif in the replies:
https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/921105219299217409 (https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/921105219299217409)
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Limey on October 20, 2017, 08:30:31 am
Ugh Jim Edmonds.

Exactly what I said when I was iPadding while Mrs Limey was watching a "Housewives" show, and I looked up because she said "This bloke used to play baseball or something."

Oddly, he comes across as an aloof prick on TV.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 20, 2017, 09:51:00 am
Exactly what I said when I was iPadding while Mrs Limey was watching a "Housewives" show, and I looked up because she said "This bloke used to play baseball or something."

Oddly, he comes across as an aloof prick on TV.

Does he dive unnecessarily to catch household items?
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: MusicMan on October 20, 2017, 12:01:32 pm
Does he dive unnecessarily to catch household items?

SFN


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: MRaup on October 20, 2017, 12:09:09 pm
Does he dive unnecessarily to catch household items?

For some reason, he's always way closer to the cameras than everyone else.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: JimR on October 20, 2017, 03:28:50 pm
I'm almost certain. Without looking it up, my guess would be:
Biggio LF
Beltran CF
Berkman RF
Bagwell 1B
Kent 2B
Ensberg/Lamb 3B
Vizcaino SS (AE injured)
Ausmus C
(pitcher) P

He hit second—not in the beginning, the the moved helped everyone.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Bench on October 20, 2017, 04:05:41 pm
The lineup:

CF Springer
RF Reddick
2B Altuve
SS Correa
1B Gurriel
3B Bregman
LF Gonzalez
DH Gattis
C McCann
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: HudsonHawk on October 20, 2017, 04:31:22 pm
I'm both nervous and excited as shit. Please make this an epic GZ tonight. Someone.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Astros Fan in Big D on October 20, 2017, 04:47:37 pm
I'm both nervous and excited as shit. Please make this an epic GZ tonight. Someone.

Bring it.  We're either gonna be riding high or laid low.

Either way, we're gonna remember it until they're wiping the applesauce off our chins.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: LonghornCDR on October 20, 2017, 06:16:49 pm
You know what we get to do today, Brooks?  We get to watch Astros baseball.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Fredia on October 20, 2017, 06:35:39 pm
preaching to the choir
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on October 21, 2017, 12:08:06 pm
I have consumed the requisite JCI Frito pie. Just seven hours of bubble guts between me and first pitch.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: austro on October 21, 2017, 02:03:19 pm
I have a notorious reputation for jinxing the team. Yesterday was our anniversary, so I decided to take one for the team, and my wife and I went out for a nice Italian dinner and then came home and watched a movie.  We told our daughter to text us when the game was over. Worked perfectly!

Now I have to decide whether to watch tonight's game.
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: Aussie Astro on October 21, 2017, 05:36:35 pm
I have a notorious reputation for jinxing the team. Yesterday was our anniversary, so I decided to take one for the team, and my wife and I went out for a nice Italian dinner and then came home and watched a movie.  We told our daughter to text us when the game was over. Worked perfectly!

Now I have to decide whether to watch tonight's game.
Damn, I couldn't do that without peeking a score now and then.

That said, where are you taking her tonight?
Title: Re: Game 6
Post by: chuck on October 21, 2017, 05:43:04 pm
That said, where are you taking her tonight?

I think he has a date with Biz.