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Title: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on June 27, 2017, 05:12:05 pm
Your lineups for tonight's home tilt:

Athletics

LFMatt Joyce (L)
RFMatt Olson (L)
2BJed Lowrie (S)
DHKhris Davis (R)
1BYonder Alonso (L)
3BRyon Healy (R)
CBruce Maxwell (L)
SSF. Barreto (R)
CFJaycob Brugman (L)

OAK: Sean Manaea (L)  (6-4, 4.05)

Astros

RF George Springer (R)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
SS Carlos Correa (R)
DH Evan Gattis (R)
C Brian McCann (L)
1B Y. Gurriel (R)
LF Marwin Gonzalez (S)
3B Alex Bregman (R)
CF Jake Marisnick (R)

HOU: Mike Fiers (R)  (5-2, 3.81)
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 07:14:01 pm
Fiers leaving the curve up early. Not a good sign.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 07:17:40 pm
Fiers leaving the curve up early. Not a good sign.


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Of course, he promptly records two strikeouts to end the top of the first.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 07:24:06 pm
I'm just not a fan of the Astros stealing. They're doing a poor job of it, it puts extra wear-and-tear on the guys, and the bats are potent enough that I hate to give up the outs. It might have been a necessary evil in the past, but I don't think it is now.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 07:28:55 pm
I'm just not a fan of the Astros stealing. They're doing a poor job of it, it puts extra wear-and-tear on the guys, and the bats are potent enough that I hate to give up the outs. It might have been a necessary evil in the past, but I don't think it is now.

Cost the team a run in this instance.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 07:31:47 pm
Two walks and a double, nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 07:45:25 pm
A's get a HBP, stolen base on a Hank Congerish throw from McCann, wild pitch, then 2-out, 2-strike single. 1-0
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 07:56:40 pm
Again...WTF Marwin?  How do you not score on that2-out double?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 07:57:55 pm
Fuck!

Pettis is obviously scared shitless up send a runner
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Reuben on June 27, 2017, 08:03:40 pm
That was a goddam hell of a catch by our boy George.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 08:08:04 pm
I'm still trying to figure out how Marwin fails to score from 1st on a 2-out double to deep center.

ETA: Against a shitty defensive team, no less.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 08:18:15 pm
5 LOBsters through three. 1-0 A's.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 08:19:43 pm
Fuck!

Pettis is obviously scared shitless up send a runner

Maybe he tore his rotator cuff during the last home stand.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 08:46:12 pm
Kalas is really playing with...Fiers and risking jinxing the shit out of Mike.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 08:47:58 pm
Maybe he tore his rotator cuff during the last home stand.


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Maybe when he was flailing it so wildly that he sent a runner that had barely reached 3rd when the RFer fielded a sharp liner in shallow right?


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 08:53:22 pm
Maybe when he was flailing it so wildly that he sent a runner that had barely reached 3rd when the RFer fielded a sharp liner in shallow right?


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That was the specific play I had in mind.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 08:56:28 pm
Gattis swung at a ball at his shoes on a 3-0 count with the bases loaded and grounded into a double play.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 08:57:07 pm
Astros with the bases loaded, nobody out, 3-0, pitcher can't throw a fucking strike so Gattis swings at ball four at his ankle and grounds into an easy double play. One pitch later, inning over.

1-1.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 08:58:03 pm
That was the shittiest RBI ever.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 08:58:22 pm
Will someone please kick Gattis in the nuts.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 08:58:38 pm
That was the shittiest RBI ever.


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Not even an RBI.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: chuck on June 27, 2017, 08:59:26 pm
That was indescribably stupid.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: The Third Man on June 27, 2017, 08:59:48 pm
Gattis drives me crazy. What the fuck was he going to do with that pitch at his damn shins in the best case scenario? 
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 09:01:09 pm
Will someone please kick Gattis in the nuts.

He should do the honorable thing and kick himself in the nuts.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: The Third Man on June 27, 2017, 09:08:00 pm
No more home games.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:10:43 pm
I do not like bringing Hoyt in here.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 27, 2017, 09:12:33 pm
I do not like bringing Hoyt in here.
He's been pretty shitty lately. Time for him to turn it around.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 09:16:37 pm
Not even an RBI.

You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

GODDAMNIT HOYT


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:16:41 pm
Grand slam. 5-1 A's
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 09:17:05 pm
Well, that sucked.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 09:17:10 pm
I do not like bringing Hoyt in here.

Gattis and Hoyt should kick each other in the nuts.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 09:17:12 pm
I do not like bringing Hoyt in here.

Results support this opinion.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:17:28 pm
Will someone kick Hoyt in the nuts.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 27, 2017, 09:17:52 pm
Still pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 09:17:57 pm
Will someone kick Hoyt in the nuts.

They'll probably miss.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: chuck on June 27, 2017, 09:18:05 pm
What a puzzling series of decisions.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: homer on June 27, 2017, 09:18:41 pm
why is Hoyt still on this team?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 09:19:15 pm
And please also kick the "name of love" guy in the nuts.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 09:19:39 pm
why is Hoyt still on this team?

Because they're out of arms. Now Jankowski is on the DL, too.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 09:22:43 pm
Because they're out of arms. Now Jankowski is on the DL, too.

I take less issue with the fact that Hoyt is on the 25 than I do with the decision to bring him in with the bases loaded in a tie game.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: chuck on June 27, 2017, 09:26:50 pm
The guy directly behind Orbit is significantly more patient than I am.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: The Third Man on June 27, 2017, 09:27:05 pm
The faith that Hinch shows in Hoyt blows my fucking mind. Maybe it's a lack of bullpen options, but, shit, that guy has been the pitching equivalent of a soiled adult diaper after five hours at an Indian buffet for weeks now.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:35:13 pm
Two more LOBsters. Fiers deserved better than the shitburger they've shoved down his throat.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:37:25 pm
Do these guys have somewhere else they need to be?  They sure as fuck don't look interested in this game.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: BudGirl on June 27, 2017, 09:42:44 pm
Two more LOBsters. Fiers deserved better than the shitburger they've shoved down his throat.

That's what I thought also.   Plus Petit should have sent at least two home. Marwin and Jake (?).  Put the pressure on the defense.

Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on June 27, 2017, 09:43:21 pm
Hoyt owes Yuli a steak dinner.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 27, 2017, 09:46:05 pm
Hoyt owes Yuli a steak dinner.


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Hell of an effort by Yuli.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 27, 2017, 09:47:19 pm
Hoyt owes Yuli a steak dinner.


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Texas Road House or Outback may be his best options on a minor league salary.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 09:48:05 pm
This guy behind the plate blows.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: chuck on June 27, 2017, 09:53:40 pm
Gattis is up there taking pitches all over the place now.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 27, 2017, 09:55:24 pm
This is in the running for the worst game of the year.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: austro on June 27, 2017, 10:09:25 pm
This is in the running for the worst game of the year.

They're playing like they spent the entire off-day drinking.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:24:17 pm
To the bottom of the 9th...Astros down 6-1
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:32:20 pm
Springer Dinger!!

6-4 now...nobody out
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:36:47 pm
Tying run at the plate, nobody out...
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: chuck on June 27, 2017, 10:37:33 pm
Off with the coat, Crane's getting serious.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:38:32 pm
Winning run at the plate, nobody out...
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:39:43 pm
Reddick, pinch hitting, pops up the first pitch. One out
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:41:23 pm
Holy fick this ump is monumentally choking
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:41:54 pm
McCann GIDP to end the game.

Astros take it in the shorts 6-4
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: doyce7 on June 27, 2017, 10:44:17 pm
Strike 2 on McCann is one of the most blatant missed calls you'll ever see. My god, a fucking little league ump whose blind in one eye knew that's a ball. Then McCann has to expand the zone on 1-2. Ridiculous

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 27, 2017, 10:46:28 pm
14 hits, three BB. 17 Astros reach base, only four score, three of them on one swing and the other on a GIDP. Too many missed chances. And there's Hoyt...
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: BlownRanger on June 28, 2017, 09:03:02 am
Due to the all-around shitty stench of the rest of the game, that double play started by Yuli will never get the credit it's due.  That was a truly phenomenal play.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: JimR on June 28, 2017, 02:59:22 pm
Why the fuck did Hoyt not throw his put away slider on 3-2 after the previous FB was fouled straight back?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 28, 2017, 03:58:16 pm
Why the fuck did Hoyt not throw his put away slider on 3-2 after the previous FB was fouled straight back?

He threw it the first 3-2, I think, and Healy barely got a piece of it.  The next pitch was the high fastball that he fouled back.  I told the guys at the cigar lounge, gotta throw him that slider again, but noooooo...fastball, right down the center of the plate.  Game over. 

I had a bad feeling about Hoyt from the start there.  Personally, I'd have let Fiers pitch to one guy with the bases loaded.  But if I had to bring in another righty, it would not have been Hoyt. 
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: BizidyDizidy on June 28, 2017, 04:00:10 pm
I was very surprised by Hoyt too. Seems like the kind of "high leverage" situation you use Devo in (and can come back out for the 7th).
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 28, 2017, 04:45:02 pm
I was very surprised by Hoyt too. Seems like the kind of "high leverage" situation you use Devo in (and can come back out for the 7th).

That's what I was thinking.  You have to get an out now and not let this thing get away from you.  Of course, the flip side is it was only the 6th inning.  Perhaps Hinch was thinking "Even if I get out of this jam, I still have to get 9 more outs, and giving up a run or even two now won't kill me if it saves me some arm for late game"  Not the move I'd have made, but it's not totally whacked reasoning.  That's why it's so hard when you can't get at least 6 out of your starter. 
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: Waldo on June 28, 2017, 05:12:49 pm
Devenski combined for 3.2 IP on Saturday and Sunday.  Maybe he wasn't available last night, even given Monday's off day
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on June 28, 2017, 07:01:33 pm
He threw it the first 3-2, I think, and Healy barely got a piece of it.  The next pitch was the high fastball that he fouled back.  I told the guys at the cigar lounge, gotta throw him that slider again, but noooooo...fastball, right down the center of the plate.  Game over. 

I had a bad feeling about Hoyt from the start there.  Personally, I'd have let Fiers pitch to one guy with the bases loaded.  But if I had to bring in another righty, it would not have been Hoyt.

Every pitch he threw during the AB was on the outer half or off the plate outside. If he opted for an inside fastball on the 3-2 pitch after the foul off on the slider, I think he would have beaten him or frozen him. Healy was cheating outside by that point in the at bat, which is why he put a really solid swing on the outside fastball that eventually wound up in the bleachers. I would have preferred the slider low and away again over the outside FB, but Hoyt missed the plate by a good 6 inches on the previous 3-2 slider so perhaps didn't feel confident going back to it.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: JimR on June 29, 2017, 09:55:11 am
Every pitch he threw during the AB was on the outer half or off the plate outside. If he opted for an inside fastball on the 3-2 pitch after the foul off on the slider, I think he would have beaten him or frozen him. Healy was cheating outside by that point in the at bat, which is why he put a really solid swing on the outside fastball that eventually wound up in the bleachers. I would have preferred the slider low and away again over the outside FB, but Hoyt missed the plate by a good 6 inches on the previous 3-2 slider so perhaps didn't feel confident going back to it.


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so if he walks him because the hitter lays off, one run scores not 4. the hitter fouled the exact same pitch straight back. I am with you...slider low and away or FB in, NOT FB up and away but in the strike zone.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros June 27, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on June 29, 2017, 10:47:00 am
so if he walks him because the hitter lays off, one run scores not 4. the hitter fouled the exact same pitch straight back. I am with you...slider low and away or FB in, NOT FB up and away but in the strike zone.

I think the 3-2 slider he threw was a pretty  good pitch. Yes it was off the plate, that's where you want that pitch to end up. You're counting on the batter chasing a pitch he can't handle, not him missing a ball in the strike zone.  Healy barely clipped it to stay alive only to get two more fastballs. I would have definitely thrown the slider again after the first FB. As you say, if Healy shows the discipline to lay off, one run scores, but you start fresh with the next hitter and you're chasing one run. In short, Hoyt made the 3-2 a hitter's count when he didn't have to.