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Talking with a friend the other day, I was trying to recall examples of notable in-season trades where the Astros were the buyers, not the sellers.
Obviously there's Randy Johnson and Beltran. Is Kazmir the third-biggest midseason acquisition in Astros history? Gomez/Fiers? Surely I'm missing something. (Again, thinking veterans, not prospects -- so no Bagwell trade here.)
When else have the Astros gone for it in such a way?
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Aubrey Huff?
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Even though the team fell short, Randy Wolf ended up being a very solid acquisition in '08.
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In the Nearly a Major Change in History Department: In the mid-nineties, the Astros reached a post-deadline waiver deal with the Pirates to trade minor league starter Billy Wagner for Jay Bell and Jeff King. One of the other NL West teams blocked the trade by claiming both veterans.
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Phil Garner in 1981 for Johnny Ray, Randy Niemann and Kevin Houston.
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Dan "wrecking ball" Wheeler
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Pedro Astacio and Mike Williams.
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Dan "wrecking ball" Wheeler
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Wheeler was a borderline middle reliever. I don't think they thought he was the missing piece or really be a difference maker.
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Wheeler was a borderline middle reliever. I don't think they thought he was the missing piece or really be a difference maker.
Agree - my comment was kind of tongue-in-cheek. I thought he wasn't much more than an extra arm when they traded for him, and his tenure with the team exceeded my most bullish expectations. He's one of my favorite bullpen guys from aughts.
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Wheeler wasn't thought to be the missing link but he really added an element to that bullpen and became an important piece in the heat of the season and playoffs
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As long as we're trying to think of any stretch-run acquisitions,
Davey Lopes 1986
Oliver Perez 2015
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If we are voting for worst in-season acquisitions, Oliver Perez may win the prize, even over Gomez.
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Acquiring Mike Ivie for Jeff Leonard and Dave Bergman was a horrible stretch-run trade.
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That wasn't a stretch run trade. It was very early in the season. You are right, however, it was a ridiculous trade.
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If we are voting for worst in-season acquisitions, Oliver Perez may win the prize, even over Gomez.
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What? By what criteria?
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What? By what criteria?
0-3, 6.75 ERA, 1.5 WHIP, my eyes
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0-3, 6.75 ERA, 1.5 WHIP, my eyes
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He pitched 12 innings. 12 innings. And was acquired for a very low-level prospect that most on here (including me) would have to look up to remember. Gomez was terrible for 1 1/2 years, and cost (in part) Brett Phillips, Hader, Domingo Santana, and Houser. A far more damaging trade.
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Yes, no question, one of the worst trades in Astros history. But the issue was in-season acquisitions and Perez added nothing but stress and a really weird pitching motion. At least Gomez hit a HR in wild card game.
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So, running it all down:
1981: Acquired Phil Garner for Johnny Ray, Randy Niemann and Kevin Houston
1986: Acquired Davey Lopes for Frank DiPino
1986: Acquired Danny Darwin for Don August and Mark Knudson
1998: Acquired Randy Johnson for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and John Halama
2001: Acquired Pedro Astacio for Scott Elarton
2001: Acquired Mike Williams for Tony McKnight
2004: Acquired Carlos Beltran for Octavio Dotel, John Buck and cash
2006: Acquired Aubrey Huff for Ben Zobrist and Mitch Talbot
2008: Acquired Randy Wolf for Chad Reineke
2015: Acquired Scott Kazmir for Jacob Nottingham and Daniel Mengden
2015: Acquired Carlos Gomez and Mike Fiers for Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, Brett Phillips and Domingo Santana.
12 notable stretch-run acquisitions:
* Two absolute stars (Johnson, Beltran)
* Two solid, long-term contributors (Garner, Darwin)
* Seven solid, if not spectacular, additions (Lopes, Astacio, Williams, Huff, Wolf, Kazmir, Fiers)
* One flop (Gomez)
22 players traded away:
* Four were young players who had long, all-star-ish careers (Johnny Ray, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, Ben Zobrist)
* Four were young players who had long, but average careers (Mark Knudson, John Halama, Scott Elarton, John Buck)
* Two were veterans who had several more productive years after the trade (Frank DiPino, Octavio Dotel)
* Six had little or no big-league time after the trade (Randy Niemann, Kevin Houston, Don August, Tony McKnight, Mitch Talbot, Chad Reineke)
* Six, the jury is still out on: (Jacob Nottingham, Daniel Mengden, Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, Brett Phillips and Domingo Santana)
Obviously trades from 30+ years ago have virtually nothing to say about today's landscape, and you can certainly call this a small sample size. But overall, the Huff/Zobrist trade is probably the only one Houston got truly burned on, so far. The others have generally been fair trades -- short-term value for long-term possibility, with some of it panning out and some of it not. For me, at least, that provides some encouragement to go for it if a good-looking deal is there.
[Updated to add the Darwin trade.]
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Danny Darwin: August 15, 1986: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers to the Houston Astros for Don August and Mark Knudson.
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Danny Darwin: August 15, 1986: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers to the Houston Astros for Don August and Mark Knudson.
Gotta have Dr. Death in there.
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In the Nearly a Major Change in History Department: In the mid-nineties, the Astros reached a post-deadline waiver deal with the Pirates to trade minor league starter Billy Wagner for Jay Bell and Jeff King. One of the other NL West teams blocked the trade by claiming both veterans.
Same type of department...how about the rumored trade that would have netted the Astros Moyer and Randy Wynn, but never happened? Think Moyer shot it down?
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Gotta have Dr. Death in there.
Great trade.
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Same type of department...how about the rumored trade that would have netted the Astros Moyer and Randy Wynn, but never happened? Think Moyer shot it down?
Oh yeah, that sounds about right. When was that, 2004?
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Oh yeah, that sounds about right. When was that, 2004?
2005
Winn went to SFG and posted a 1.071 OPS in 58 games.
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Good call on Darwin; added him to my post above.
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Can anyone imagine winning the 1999 division title without Matt "Pornstache" Mieske?
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Same type of department...how about the rumored trade that would have netted the Astros Moyer and Randy Wynn, but never happened? Think Moyer shot it down?
Moyer definitely nixed it. He said all sorts of glowing things about Houston, but indicated the timing just wasn't right.
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Yes, no question, one of the worst trades in Astros history. But the issue was in-season acquisitions and Perez added nothing but stress and a really weird pitching motion. At least Gomez hit a HR in wild card game.
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I see. You're talking about least-impactful addition. I'm talking about worst trade. Two different things.
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Perez was not a bad trade. He might not have pitched great, but he was a good acquisition.
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Did the Astros trade for Vinny Castilla in 2001, or was he a cast off that they picked up? He shored things up for that division winning club.
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Did the Astros trade for Vinny Castilla in 2001, or was he a cast off that they picked up? He shored things up for that division winning club.
Cast-off, as I recall (seem to remember they were paying him the minimum due to offset language)
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Cast-off, as I recall (seem to remember they were paying him the minimum due to offset language)
Castilla was an early season DFA by the Devil Rays...Astros picked him up for the league minimum.
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Castilla was an early season DFA by the Devil Rays...Astros picked him up for the league minimum.
Sending Chris Truby back to New Orleans.
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Can anyone imagine winning the 1999 division title without Matt "Pornstache" Mieske?
Mieske was clutch. Resembled Mario, no? (If Mario did porns.)
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* Six, the jury is still out on: (Jacob Nottingham, Daniel Mengden, Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, Brett Phillips and Domingo Santana)
It may be too early to say but the fact that Santana is having a good season, Hader is being effective out of the pen and Phillips got a call up means that trade is looking ugly.
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That trade has NEVER looked anything but ugly.
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It may be too early to say but the fact that Santana is having a good season, Hader is being effective out of the pen and Phillips got a call up means that trade is looking ugly.
It probably doesn't change the consensus, but those players listed were from both the Kazmir and the Gomez/Fiers trades. And the Astros might very well have missed out on valuable post-season experience without those trades.
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It probably doesn't change the consensus, but those players listed were from both the Kazmir and the Gomez/Fiers trades. And the Astros might very well have missed out on valuable post-season experience without those trades.
I agree. Those trades helped us reach the playoffs, and Kazmir pitched well at KC. I do not regret losing those minor leaguers.
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It probably doesn't change the consensus, but those players listed were from both the Kazmir and the Gomez/Fiers trades. And the Astros might very well have missed out on valuable post-season experience without those trades.
+1
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I thought the Kazmir trade was a good one even though he didn't pitch great afterwards. The Gomez/Fiers deal seemed like an overpay at the time and looks even worse now (based on Gomez' suckitude, not the prospects' performance). But it's true that they might've barely missed the playoffs without Fiers and, to a much lesser degree, Gomez.
Missing the playoffs after being in first place for so long that year would've been a huge bummer.
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I thought the Kazmir trade was a good one even though he didn't pitch great afterwards. The Gomez/Fiers deal seemed like an overpay at the time and looks even worse now (based on Gomez' suckitude, not the prospects' performance). But it's true that they might've barely missed the playoffs without Fiers and, to a much lesser degree, Gomez.
Missing the playoffs after being in first place for so long that year would've been a huge bummer.
Gomez was not terrible that year, but he was not the All Star run producer we thought he was. Luhnow liked Fiers, and he helped. Was the Randy Johnson deal overpay? I do not worry about that stuff.
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Gomez's homer in the Wild Card game was a big deal.
Much more can be said, obviously, but that's true.
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Gomez was not terrible that year, but he was not the All Star run producer we thought he was. Luhnow liked Fiers, and he helped. Was the Randy Johnson deal overpay? I do not worry about that stuff.
I'm pretty sure you've posted that Martes and Tucker should be untouchable. No?
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It probably doesn't change the consensus, but those players listed were from both the Kazmir and the Gomez/Fiers trades. And the Astros might very well have missed out on valuable post-season experience without those trades.
My list just included the Gomez/Fiers trade. That trade has replaced the Huff trade as the worst one to me. Not that it shouldn't have been made, it just didn't work out and may have long lasting benefit for the Brewers. Not sure how much it actually hurts the Astros. I wouldn't take Santana or Phillips over Fisher or Tucker. Hader may wind up being the biggest loss.
The Kazmir trade looks fine. Nottingham hasn't been as good since the trade and Mengden made the show but would just be AAA depth with the Astros.
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I'm pretty sure you've posted that Martes and Tucker should be untouchable. No?
Not Martes. I have said that about Tucker, but I'll amend it to allow for who we might get. This is a win now year. The hell with two years from now.
Who would you give up for deGrom?
ETA: this is a different year...more like '98 than 2015. If there is a difference maker we can get, the good minor leaguers have to go. That is the reason to have good drafts.
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My list just included the Gomez/Fiers trade. That trade has replaced the Huff trade as the worst one to me. Not that it shouldn't have been made, it just didn't work out and may have long lasting benefit for the Brewers. Not sure how much it actually hurts the Astros. I wouldn't take Santana or Phillips over Fisher or Tucker. Hader may wind up being the biggest loss.
The Kazmir trade looks fine. Nottingham hasn't been as good since the trade and Mengden made the show but would just be AAA depth with the Astros.
That trade did not hurt the Astros, no matter how good the guys we traded ultimately do. We made the playoffs and laid the foundation for this year.
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Not Martes. I have said that about Tucker, but I'll amend it to allow for who we might get. This is a win now year. The hell with two years from now.
Who would you give up for deGrom?
ETA: this is a different year...more like '98 than 2015. If there is a difference maker we can get, the good minor leaguers have to go. That is the reason to have good drafts.
I just saw FanGraphs trade value rankings this morning. DeGrom was #37.
#38 was Bregman.
If the Mets offered me DeGrom for Bregman, I'd do the deal.
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I just saw FanGraphs trade value rankings this morning. DeGrom was #37.
#38 was Bregman.
If the Mets offered me DeGrom for Bregman, I'd do the deal.
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Yep, I would also. They need a 3B too, right? They likely will want more, but I think he could be a difference maker. Am I wrong?
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Luhnow et al. have a demonstrated record of success in the draft, which ensures a steady pipeline of players. This indeed is a win now year. I'd be willing to mortgage the farm with the expectation that good talent continues to bubble up. If it takes Tucker, so be it. Fisher too. Throw in Martes and Bregman.
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Luhnow et al. have a demonstrated record of success in the draft, which ensures a steady pipeline of players. This indeed is a win now year. I'd be willing to mortgage the farm with the expectation that good talent continues to bubble up. If it takes Tucker, so be it. Fisher too. Throw in Martes and Bregman.
Tucker only strikes me as "untouchable" because eventually there's going to be a salary logjam: the likelihood that we can sign Correa, Altuve, and Springer ALL to long-term megadeals (to say nothing of the pitchers) is exceedingly slim. So if there's at least one potential star position player and one potential star pitcher left after we clear out the cupboard, that's what I'm keeping in mind.
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Tucker only strikes me as "untouchable" because eventually there's going to be a salary logjam: the likelihood that we can sign Correa, Altuve, and Springer ALL to long-term megadeals (to say nothing of the pitchers) is exceedingly slim. So if there's at least one potential star position player and one potential star pitcher left after we clear out the cupboard, that's what I'm keeping in mind.
I am not as pessimistic, but you are probably correct. I think there are five core players to sign to big deals if Crane wants a chance at a dynasty--the three position players you mentioned plus Kuechel and McCullers. I think no prospect (or Bregman) is untouchable today because the first half has put us in a win now position.
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I'd amend things to say this is a win, the next 3 years deal. All of Correa, Altuve, Springer, Lance McCullers Yuli, Bregman, Reddick, Giles, are "cheap" for the next 3 years. If they are giving up top line players prospects (Bregman, Tucker) then Im hoping they get someone under control for several years, like the Rangers got with Hammels.
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Tucker only strikes me as "untouchable" because eventually there's going to be a salary logjam: the likelihood that we can sign Correa, Altuve, and Springer ALL to long-term megadeals (to say nothing of the pitchers) is exceedingly slim. So if there's at least one potential star position player and one potential star pitcher left after we clear out the cupboard, that's what I'm keeping in mind.
Totally agree. I've been wondering a lot about this lately. I won't be surprised if Crane and company eventually end up with a big payroll, maybe even top five, but I can't imagine they will ever become the Yankees. Given that, Luhnow has to factor that reality into his decisions.
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Not Martes. I have said that about Tucker, but I'll amend it to allow for who we might get. This is a win now year. The hell with two years from now.
Who would you give up for deGrom?
ETA: this is a different year...more like '98 than 2015. If there is a difference maker we can get, the good minor leaguers have to go. That is the reason to have good drafts.
A while back I had Tucker and Martes as Untouchables but I've softened on Martes simply because it appears that there is good pitching depth in the minors with Armenteros, Franklin Perez and Whitley is looking real good. I still hold hopes of keeping Tucker because his ceiling seems so damn high. I would start with a DeGrom offer of Martes, Bregman and Fisher. J.D. Davis could probably step into Bregman's spot next year and not skip a beat. Until then Marwin can get some starts and maybe look at Moran on a platoon basis.
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J.D. Davis could probably step into Bregman's spot next year and not skip a beat. Until then Marwin can get some starts and maybe look at Moran on a platoon basis.
I'm not saying Bregman is some core piece, but this is crazy talk, imo.
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A while back I had Tucker and Martes as Untouchables but I've softened on Martes simply because it appears that there is good pitching depth in the minors with Armenteros, Franklin Perez and Whitley is looking real good. I still hold hopes of keeping Tucker because his ceiling seems so damn high. I would start with a DeGrom offer of Martes, Bregman and Fisher. J.D. Davis could probably step into Bregman's spot next year and not skip a beat. Until then Marwin can get some starts and maybe look at Moran on a platoon basis.
You could also move Yuli to his natural position, 3rd base, in that scenario.
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Tucker only strikes me as "untouchable" because eventually there's going to be a salary logjam: the likelihood that we can sign Correa, Altuve, and Springer ALL to long-term megadeals (to say nothing of the pitchers) is exceedingly slim. So if there's at least one potential star position player and one potential star pitcher left after we clear out the cupboard, that's what I'm keeping in mind.
I think Tucker is a special talent.
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I'm not saying Bregman is some core piece, but this is crazy talk, imo.
I agree; it's way too early to put Bregman and Davis in the same boat. But Bregman is an interesting case. I would say his career ceiling remains somewhere between Daniel Murphy and Geoff Blum.
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I'm not saying Bregman is some core piece, but this is crazy talk, imo.
OK, it probably is misguided after I've thought about it.
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I'm not saying Bregman is some core piece, but this is crazy talk, imo.
I don't want any position player that's been on the 25 man all year traded. Don't mess with the chemistry of this team.
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I don't want any position player that's been on the 25 man all year traded. Don't mess with the chemistry of this team.
Probably good advice.
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I don't want any position player that's been on the 25 man all year traded. Don't mess with the chemistry of this team.
adding a traded player will mess with the chemistry of the team.
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Not sure about deGrom. He has post season experience and a few years of club control left. But his ERA, WHIP, FIP and HRs are all up this year and the Mets are going to want the sun and the moon for him. I wonder how he is in the clubhouse.
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Seriously, people. Win now. I would trade Bregman in a heartbeat for a difference maker if there is one, and I trust Luhnow to tell us who is. This team needs pitching to win big in the playoffs.
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adding a traded player will mess with the chemistry of the team.
Correa and Kuechel have commented publicly on the need for a trade. Any player who comes here will be thrilled with the chance to win and will not rock the boat. We simply cannot and should not stand pat.
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Seriously, people. Win now. I would trade Bregman in a heartbeat for a difference maker if there is one, and I trust Luhnow to tell us who is. This team needs pitching to win big in the playoffs.
Bingo.
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Bingo.
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Last night is a good example. Aces shut down hitters. Our Big Three were 0 for the game.
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Last night is a good example. Aces shut down hitters. Our Big Three were 0 for the game.
If an ace of that caliber becomes available then sure! A Darvish or deGrom, ok. But I'm not enthused about giving away such a return for what's available at the moment. I haven't seen any names that I'd give Bregman up for. But you're right. Luhnow knows what he's doing and I'd certainly trust his judgement over mine. If he thinks Quintana is the answer I'll be excited about it.
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Correa and Kuechel have commented publicly on the need for a trade. Any player who comes here will be thrilled with the chance to win and will not rock the boat. We simply cannot and should not stand pat.
How excited would you be to be traded to the Astros? I think whoever comes is going to fit in just fine.
I think if the Astros stand pat it is because Luhnow did not get a deal that would make the team better.
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Last night is a good example. Aces shut down hitters. Our Big Three were 0 for the game.
Most of them from the pen... just like last year's WS. If Luhnow chose to get one more arm in the pen I certainly wouldn't object.
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How excited would you be to be traded to the Astros? I think whoever comes is going to fit in just fine.
I think if the Astros stand pat it is because Luhnow did not get a deal that would make the team better.
Agreed 100%
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Most of them from the pen... just like last year's WS. If Luhnow chose to get one more arm in the pen I certainly wouldn't object.
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Most of the time, I think the guys on Sirius/XM MLB are just talking out their ass, but they're currently saying that Brad Hand to Houston just makes too much sense not to happen.
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Most of the time, I think the guys on Sirius/XM MLB are just talking out their ass, but they're currently saying that Brad Hand to Houston just makes too much sense not to happen.
I'm certain in advance we'd be overpaying. I'm fine with that.
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I'm certain in advance we'd be overpaying. I'm fine with that.
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Setup man, good stats, LHP, unorthodox delivery
are there better ones on a seller team?
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Setup man, good stats, LHP, unorthodox delivery
are there better ones on a seller team?
Not that I've seen. Relievers come out of nowhere and drop back to that pretty quickly, and Hand is no exception. That's why I feel we'd be overpaying. But given the need and the opportunity, I don't mind.
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Setup man, good stats, LHP, unorthodox delivery
are there better ones on a seller team?
Selfishly, I would like to see the Astros get a buddy of mine, Donnie Hart, from the Orioles. He is 26 and only in his second year in the Majors. Lefty, three quarter arm slot, which makes him effective against lefties, but he also gets righties out, too. He is from Katy and would love to pitch for the Astros and would come pretty cheap I would think. Career 1.90 ERA, 51 career outings.
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Not that I've seen. Relievers come out of nowhere and drop back to that pretty quickly, and Hand is no exception. That's why I feel we'd be overpaying. But given the need and the opportunity, I don't mind.
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I'm dealing from memory here, but I believe Hand is making about 1.7 M, and Houston would have him at least through 2018. I'm not sure what quantifies overpaying, and deadline deals are always expensive, but it's worth noting that the Cubs picked up Wade Davis last season for only Jorge Soler, straight up.
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It seems as though there are more buyers than sellers this year, i think that is going cause the prices to increase. Good year for a team to suck and improve through a trade.
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I'm dealing from memory here, but I believe Hand is making about 1.7 M, and Houston would have him at least through 2018. I'm not sure what quantifies overpaying, and deadline deals are always expensive, but it's worth noting that the Cubs picked up Wade Davis last season for only Jorge Soler, straight up.
Padres are said to be looking for a package comparable to what Yanks got for Chapman.
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I'm dealing from memory here, but I believe Hand is making about 1.7 M, and Houston would have him at least through 2018. I'm not sure what quantifies overpaying, and deadline deals are always expensive, but it's worth noting that the Cubs picked up Wade Davis last season for only Jorge Soler, straight up.
Here are accurate numbers. Hand is making 1.375 M, and is eligible for arbitration after this season. Whoever picks him up will control him through 2019.
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Padres are said to be looking for a package comparable to what Yanks got for Chapman.
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That's insane. If that's true, it sounds like the Padres want to keep him, but want to be able to say "we tried to get better".
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That's insane. If that's true, it sounds like the Padres want to keep him, but want to be able to say "we tried to get better".
No, what is insane is that they picked him up off waivers, IIRC.
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Padres are said to be looking for a package comparable to what Yanks got for Chapman.
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Hand is not Chapman. I hope we say no.
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Padres are said to be looking for a package comparable to what Yanks got for Chapman.
Of coarse they are but that is crazy talk. They are two completely different caliber of player.
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Selfishly, I would like to see the Astros get a buddy of mine, Donnie Hart, from the Orioles. He is 26 and only in his second year in the Majors. Lefty, three quarter arm slot, which makes him effective against lefties, but he also gets righties out, too. He is from Katy and would love to pitch for the Astros and would come pretty cheap I would think. Career 1.90 ERA, 51 career outings.
Has his agent called Luhnow?
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Has his agent called Luhnow?
Does he need an agent? I think Jim could do a good job.
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Acknowledging that the BBGs retain a veto, it is reasonable to assume that the Astros will make the playoffs. As has been pointed out, they are not going to bash their way into the World Series; they are going to have to pitch their way. In order to have even a chance of success, they will need at a minimum (a) two lights out, shut down, top of the rotation aces that can give them at least seven innings and (b) one lights out, shut down closer. As of now, they have zero of the three requirements on the active roster. There might be one in Keuchel if he returns to earlier form. There might be another in McCullers if he can get through the first inning and then on into the seventh. This year and for his career McCullers is averaging 5.7 innings per start.There might be the third in Giles if he wasn't Giles. Without significant acquisitions, the Astros post season prospects are not rosy unless the absolute best case scenario plays out, Crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not good strategy but are there any ace starters and/or ace relievers that are reasonably available?
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As far as starters I'd give up the farm for that are currently on teams that *might* no longer be in contention at the deadline:
Carlos Martinez
Jacob deGrom
Yu Darvish
That's off the top of my head. Anybody have some other names?
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Does he need an agent? I think Jim could do a good job.
Mikey maybe. I do not know him.
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As far as starters I'd give up the farm for that are currently on teams that *might* no longer be in contention at the deadline:
Carlos Martinez
Jacob deGrom
Yu Darvish
That's off the top of my head. Anybody have some other names?
MadBum
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As far as starters I'd give up the farm for that are currently on teams that *might* no longer be in contention at the deadline:
Carlos Martinez
Jacob deGrom
Yu Darvish
That's off the top of my head. Anybody have some other names?
Darvish is a FA after this season. No fucking way do I want to see the Astros give the Rangers a big haul for two months of any player.
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Would the Co-ards take Bregman (I don't like the thought of trading him), Martes, Fisher (+lottery ticket) for Carlos Martinez? They have a need at shortstop and the outfield... or should I up my meds?
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MadBum
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This is my "bunk scenario."
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MadBum
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If the giants really make him available, and that's a big if. They can have Bregman and then take their pick of any players in the farm system.
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This is my "bunk scenario."
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Donaldson-Stroman megadeal for me.
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Would the Co-ards take Bregman (I don't like the thought of trading him), Martes, Fisher (+lottery ticket) for Carlos Martinez? They have a need at shortstop and the outfield... or should I up my meds?
I don't see the Cardinals and Luhnow making any deals with each other any time soon, if ever.
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Donaldson-Stroman megadeal for me.
I mean I guess we could just give them the hooks + Bregman
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This is my "bunk scenario."
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Hey, whatever works for you. Some folks think about baseball to distract from that.
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I don't see the Cardinals and Luhnow making any deals with each other any time soon, if ever.
Plus they are only 5.5 games back. The season ain't over for the turds.
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Donaldson-Stroman megadeal for me.
Stroman-Osuna
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Stroman-Osuna
Osuna presently is a head case off the field. Stroman looked like one on the field, but I'll take him.