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Title: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 29, 2017, 03:40:19 pm
Your lineups for tonight's home tilt:

Athletics

RFJaff Decker (L)
2BJed Lowrie (S)
DHRyon Healy (R)
LFKhris Davis (R)
1BYonder Alonso (L)
3BTrevor Plouffe (R)
CStephen Vogt (L)
SSChad Pinder (R)
CFRyan LaMarre (R)

OAK: Andrew Triggs (R)  (3-1, 2.42)

Astros

CF George Springer (R)
RF Josh Reddick (L)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
SS Carlos Correa (R)
LF Carlos Beltran (S)
1B Y. Gurriel (R)
C Brian McCann (L)
DH Evan Gattis (R)
3B Alex Bregman (R)

HOU: Joe Musgrove (R)  (1-1, 5.91)
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: doyce7 on April 29, 2017, 04:05:11 pm
Anybody else going to the game tonight?

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 06:12:27 pm
I count one "intrigued" so far.

Friday night drinking game?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 06:36:16 pm
Oh, Correa, what are we going to do with you?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: homer on April 29, 2017, 06:37:44 pm
My first game this year. Bigger crowd than I expected.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 06:39:22 pm
Oh, Correa, what are we going to do with you?

The blind spot re Correa is a major problem.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MrKnuckleball on April 29, 2017, 06:50:44 pm
I have Rangers fans behind me and A's fans in front of me. This is bad, real bad.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 06:51:27 pm
I have Rangers fans behind me and A's fans in front of me. This is bad, real bad.

Time for some "crop dusting"
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 06:58:36 pm
Ugh.  I absolutely dread Correa coming to the plate.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 07:05:06 pm
Lowrie with an upper decker...enjoys every second of his extended trip around the bases. Hopefully he reaches home before tomorrow.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 29, 2017, 07:15:30 pm
Looks like they missed the tag on Beltran, even if he ran in cement boots.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 07:15:55 pm
Jesus, that strike to McCann was six inches outside.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 07:18:30 pm
Beltran's is so slow he got thrown out by Zach Galifianakis
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: The Spleen on April 29, 2017, 07:30:47 pm
Ugh.  I absolutely dread Correa coming to the plate.

He was supposed to be this generation's A-Rod.
I worry sometimes that he'll be this generation's Joe Charboneau.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: homer on April 29, 2017, 07:34:12 pm
Wi-Fi works well
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 07:41:15 pm
Astros got absolutely fucked on that review. Beltran never got tagged.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 07:42:36 pm
Also, how is Joe West still a big league umpire? He's terrible, bitchy, and a massive dick.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 07:43:36 pm
You know what, don't swing the fucking bats. See if I care.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 07:44:55 pm
Astros got absolutely fucked on that review. Beltran never got tagged.

I feel like that's at least the third time that's happened this season. Seemed like a clear enough replay...
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MrKnuckleball on April 29, 2017, 07:47:59 pm
Sipp is warming up. I don't get a warm fuzzy when that happens.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 07:48:35 pm
He was supposed to be this generation's A-Rod.
I worry sometimes that he'll be this generation's Joe Charboneau.

He's not Charboneau, but he sure ain't ARod either. He can be a productive player, but he's an 8 or 9 hitter right now.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 07:49:34 pm
Sipp is warming up. I don't get a warm fuzzy when that happens.

Why the fuck would Sipp be an option in any game that's within 5 runs?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MrKnuckleball on April 29, 2017, 07:50:27 pm
Why the fuck would Sipp be an option in any game that's within 5 runs?
No shit
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 07:52:02 pm
Jesus. Correa is quickly earning himself a trip to Fresno.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 07:55:22 pm
Holy fuck. Astros are making this fucking scrub look like an Alll Star.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 29, 2017, 07:57:53 pm
Sipp. Oh no.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: doyce7 on April 29, 2017, 07:59:06 pm
Really hope I'm not about to witness a sipp meltdown

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:00:38 pm
I have zero faith in Sipp.

 
Really hope I'm not about to witness a sipp meltdown

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MrKnuckleball on April 29, 2017, 08:01:17 pm
He gone
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:01:43 pm
Jesus Christ. He is fucking worthless.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:01:46 pm
At least Sipp only got to suck to one hitter.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: doyce7 on April 29, 2017, 08:02:56 pm
Why is sipp still on this team? He's a lefty specialist who can't get leftys out

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:05:00 pm
Why is sipp still on this team? He's a lefty specialist who can't get leftys out

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:05:41 pm
Joe West is a fucking awful umpire.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 08:12:28 pm
Ok. Time to push a couple accross and send everyone home happy-ish.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: NeilT on April 29, 2017, 08:14:49 pm
That's why a strong defensive shortstop matters.  Lucky we have Correa.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:15:14 pm
Alex Trevino
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:17:05 pm
This. Is. Fucking. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 29, 2017, 08:21:44 pm
Slick play by Bregman


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:22:41 pm
2-0 As
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:23:18 pm
Gonna lose to a shitburger pitcher and a shitburger team.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:26:08 pm
Who the fuck found these slapdick fans for the Root Sports commericals? They are goddamn terrible.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:27:55 pm
Top of the order. Time to pull their heads out of their asses.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:28:46 pm
These umpires seem to be completely unsure of their jobs.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:29:35 pm
These umpires seem to be completely unsure of their jobs.

Would you overturn Joe West? I suspect he'd throw a fellow ump out of the game for doing that.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 29, 2017, 08:33:47 pm
Altuve!!!


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:33:49 pm
This is really embarrassing. How can you get shutout by the A's?

And..... Altuve fixes that problem.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:34:01 pm
Captain Caaaaaaaaaaaavemidget!
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: NeilT on April 29, 2017, 08:34:18 pm
This Altuve kid has promise.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 08:35:00 pm
Captain Caaaaaaaaaaaavemidget!

This is great!!!
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:35:12 pm
This Altuve kid has promise.

Yeah, it's just too bad that we won't be able to get him up in the 9th.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:35:46 pm
I don't know if I've ever seen a Major League hitter as completely lost as Correa is.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:38:34 pm
I don't know if I've ever seen a Major League hitter as completely lost as Correa is.

I feel like you're forgetting the early 2010s Astros.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:42:33 pm
I don't know if I've ever seen a Major League hitter as completely lost as Correa is.

We've seen lots of them. It's just that none of them were #1 overall picks.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 08:44:52 pm
I feel like you're forgetting the early 2010s Astros.

I'd have to put a vote in for 2007 Morgan Ensberg. Although that may have been more of a "yips" thing.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:46:28 pm
Just walked a career .058 hitter. Outstanding.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:47:22 pm
What the fuck kind of name is "Jaff"?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: doyce7 on April 29, 2017, 08:49:01 pm
What the fuck kind of name is "Jaff"?
Was a mistake. They meant daffy

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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:49:53 pm
Alright, time to lay down the smack. Come on, guys.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:52:34 pm
Alright, time to lay down the smack. Come on, guys.

Carlos "0-2" Beltran to the rescue!
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 08:53:52 pm
Carlos "0-2" Beltran to the rescue!

No joke. Seems like I blink when he's up and it's 0-2. He doesn't seem to mind...
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:54:34 pm
Need an infield hit? Beltran's your man!
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 08:54:50 pm
No joke. Seems like I blink when he's up and it's 0-2. He doesn't seem to mind...

About 75 percent of the time he's down 0-2.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:55:20 pm
Need an infield hit? Beltran's your man!

That throw hit Alonzo square in the nuts.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 08:57:28 pm
That throw hit Alonzo square in the nuts.

I wouldn't mind that being the theme tonight for the A's....
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 08:57:54 pm
That throw hit Alonzo square in the nuts.

I drove by the vet's place this morning and their sign said "Neuter your cat. He'll be less nuts!"
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 29, 2017, 08:58:46 pm
Let's hope they don't botch this review again.


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Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 08:59:47 pm
Ugh
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 29, 2017, 09:00:08 pm
That was a fucking weak inning
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: austro on April 29, 2017, 09:00:11 pm
Well, that's fitting. Fuck.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 09:00:34 pm
What a fucking putrid effort against a shitty pitcher and the A's shitty bullpen.

Games like this are the ones you look back on when you miss the playoffs by one game.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 09:02:02 pm
I hate streaming sometimes. For me McCann is just coming to the plate and there's still hope but I just read the last few posts... shitty loss.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 09:05:40 pm
At least Musgrove pitched well....
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on April 29, 2017, 09:13:06 pm
At most Musgrove pitched well....

FIFY.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: The Spleen on April 29, 2017, 09:28:26 pm
I'd have to put a vote in for 2007 Morgan Ensberg. Although that may have been more of a "yips" thing.

This could be a "yips' thing too. And that's scary as hell. If that's what it is, he'd have a better chance of coming back from both ACL's torn at the same time.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 09:51:35 pm
This could be a "yips' thing too. And that's scary as hell. If that's what it is, he'd have a better chance of coming back from both ACL's torn at the same time.

Naaa. He was on a mini 5 game hitting streak before this, hitting an at least respectable .318ish. He's clearly pressing with runners on. I'm in a career that deals in yips more than any other. This shit  manefests in a repeatable mechanical flaw that the "user" can't stop doing. I don't see that here. He's a young kid (yips are also rare at a young age) that was rushed to the majors had early success and early slumps and then had a non existent spring training. That was bad for him. He's just pressing in points of stress and not letting himself "see the ball, hit the ball".

Honestly, the "yips" are a pretty silly term used by the world of sports to describe a commonly diagnosed issue in music called "Focal Dystonia". Feel free to check it out on the interwebitubes. I think Steve Sax had FD as did Rich Ankiel, and now John Lester throwing to first. When the FD happens to an unknown player nobody even notices. It's the established players that make it stick out. When you repeat a specific action over and over and over again neural pathways can break down for some people causing them to have to relearn basic muscle functions. If you don't know wtf is going on and your profession calls it "the yips" and it's framed as a mental defect then you press on and keep making the problem worse instead of taking time off and finding a new way. It's very complicated and still needs more research but the classical music world could probably teach a lot to the sports industry about it...

Having said that, I've seen FD and what it looks like. I've seen the same shit in baseball players. Correa is fine.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 09:55:31 pm
I forgot to mention... I personally saw yips/FD in Morgan Ensberg myself. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: The Spleen on April 29, 2017, 10:12:00 pm
I forgot to mention... I personally saw yips/FD in Morgan Ensberg myself. But I could be wrong.

Interesting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 29, 2017, 10:33:09 pm
Interesting. Thanks.

I hope I'm not boring people with this shit...

When Ensberg was "right" his swing was fluid. When (in my non doctoral opinion) shit got off he started uncontrollably locking his hips. Even if he was fully aware and was being coached to stop doing it I don't think he had a choice. That's FD/yips.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: juliogotay on April 30, 2017, 09:50:35 am
I hope I'm not boring people with this shit...

When Ensberg was "right" his swing was fluid. When (in my non doctoral opinion) shit got off he started uncontrollably locking his hips. Even if he was fully aware and was being coached to stop doing it I don't think he had a choice. That's FD/yips.

This is the same Morgan Ensberg that is like the Astros psychology coach or something?
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 30, 2017, 10:18:09 am
This is the same Morgan Ensberg that is like the Astros psychology coach or something?

This issue is not a "flaw" like say hoarding magazines or obsessively eating buggers because mommy wasn't nice... its just a simple breakdown of a neural pathway. When it happens to people it's scary as hell. You spend your whole life doing something without thinking about it and then poof... a catcher can't throw the ball back to the pitcher unless he does it underhanded. Throwing to second? No problem.

Often times people that go through this can learn a shit ton about their approach and mental toughness. This isn't a psychological problem but rather a physiological issue.

I could be way off base here but it just seems so similar to what a fair amount of musicians (and some of my closest friends) have gone through.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: juliogotay on April 30, 2017, 10:32:21 am
This issue is not a "flaw" like say hoarding magazines or obsessively eating buggers because mommy wasn't nice... its just a simple breakdown of a neural pathway. When it happens to people it's scary as hell. You spend your whole life doing something without thinking about it and then poof... a catcher can't throw the ball back to the pitcher unless he does it underhanded. Throwing to second? No problem.

Often times people that go through this can learn a shit ton about their approach and mental toughness. This isn't a psychological problem but rather a physiological issue.

I could be way off base here but it just seems so similar to what a fair amount of musicians (and some of my closest friends) have gone through.

I had forgotten Morgan is now managing in the Astros low MiL system. Not sure how that developmental role worked out for everybody. It has to be a tough thing to measure.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 30, 2017, 01:06:39 pm
I think y'all are making to much of this shit.  The problem, as I see it, is that Correa is simply not swinging at pitches he can hit.  It has nothing to do with locking his hips, or muscle memory, or neurological triggers, or or eating boogers.  It's approach.  He's taking good pitches, getting behind, then hacking.  He has to be more aggressive in the strike zone.  Go up there looking for a pitch to hit and whack it.  It's not *that* hard. 
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: WVastro on April 30, 2017, 01:13:37 pm
I think y'all are making to much of this shit.  The problem, as I see it, is that Correa is simply not swinging at pitches he can hit.  It has nothing to do with locking his hips, or muscle memory, or neurological triggers, or or eating boogers.  It's approach.  He's taking good pitches, getting behind, then hacking.  He has to be more aggressive in the strike zone.  Go up there looking for a pitch to hit and whack it.  It's not *that* hard.

I clearly said Correa doesn't have any larger issue. I simply thought people might find the yips discussion interesting.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 30, 2017, 03:23:15 pm
I clearly said Correa doesn't have any larger issue. I simply thought people might find the yips discussion interesting.

That's the way that I interpreted it.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: BlownRanger on May 01, 2017, 01:22:12 pm
Also, how is Joe West still a big league umpire? He's terrible, bitchy, and a massive dick.

Since replay was implemented, West is the only ump I've seen actively lobbying the guys in NY to uphold his call.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on May 01, 2017, 02:29:03 pm
Since replay was implemented, West is the only ump I've seen actively lobbying the guys in NY to uphold his call.

I've been out with Joe West, albeit a very long time ago. He's got a huge ego and is a prick.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MRaup on May 01, 2017, 03:47:52 pm
I've been out with Joe West, albeit a very long time ago. He's got a huge ego and is a prick.

Anyone that needs confirmation of that probably hasn't watched much baseball lately.

He also is enormously fat. He looks a little bit like Jabba the Hutt every time they show a closeup of him.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on May 01, 2017, 05:57:28 pm
Anyone that needs confirmation of that probably hasn't watched much baseball lately.

He also is enormously fat. He looks a little bit like Jabba the Hutt every time they show a closeup of him.

I had a buddy who was a National League umpire. He spent a season on Joe's crew and didn't enjoy it.
Title: Re: Athletics @ Astros April 29,2017
Post by: MusicMan on May 02, 2017, 04:09:02 pm
I had a buddy who was a National League umpire. He spent a season on Joe's crew and didn't enjoy it.

The way Joe kept forcing him to wear Leia's gold bikini was just wrong.


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