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Title: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2017, 03:31:34 pm
Day off for Poo Holes

Escobar, 3B
Revere, LF
Trout, CF
Calhoun, RF
Cron, 1B
Simmons, SS
Marte, DH
Espinosa, 2B
Maldonado, C

Chavez, P



Springer, CF
Red Dick, RF
Altuve, 2B
Beltran, DH
Gattis, C
Bregman, SS
Marwin, 3B
Yuli, 1B
Aoki, LF

Morton, P
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on April 17, 2017, 05:06:20 pm
Day off for Correa, too.


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2017, 05:15:12 pm
Day off for Correa, too.

Yes. (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=119070.msg569004#msg569004)

Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:19:44 pm
T1:

Escobar bounces out 5-3
Revere taps back to the mound, 1-3
Trout singles to LF
Pickoff attempt on Trout is wild, Trout goes to 2G
Calhoun hit by pitch
Cron flies out F8

No score
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 07:25:40 pm
Maddux strike 3 on Reddick.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:26:01 pm
Strike zone is fucking enormous.  Pitches in the middle of the opposite box being called.  Eric Gregg is embarrassed. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 07:26:34 pm
Scioscia is the only guy in the whole damn organization still around since they won it all in 2002. Well.... same stadium too.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:27:50 pm
B1:

Springer grounds out 6-3
Reddick strikes out looking on a pitch a foot off the plate
Altuve strikes out swinging at a pitch two feet off the plate...looks back at ump who nods his head as if to say "yeah, I would have called that"

No score
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 07:34:18 pm
Good Lord, Morton is slooooooow.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 07:35:34 pm
Good Lord, Morton is slooooooow.

In the National League, pitchers are trained to pitch slow to give the manager more time for complex strategizing.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 17, 2017, 07:35:55 pm
Today is my birthday and I had a minute so here's what I've got: since I dropped, the Astros are 13-18. Nolan Ryan was the pitcher of record in the initial loss (1980) and the initial win (1983). The 90s were the best decade (5-3) and teens (2-5 so far) will have to close out strong to avoid tying or trumping the 80s for the worst (2-6).  Roy Oswalt pitched them to a .500 record on April 17ths with a dominating performance in 2007. Last year, Altuve hit his 4th homer of the year on April 17th.

At first blush, I'm having a hard time squaring these facts with my long held belief that they "always" win on my birthday. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 07:38:39 pm
In the National League, pitchers are trained to pitch slow to give the manager more time for complex strategizing.

I meant running to first.

Fucking hell, Morton! Throw fucking strikes!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:38:57 pm
After two quick outs, infield single, single, and walk loads the bases for the Halos...
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:39:51 pm
T2:

Simmons grounds out 6-3
Marte strikes out looking at a pitch off the plate
Espinosa bunt single up the first base line, as Morton is slow getting to the bag
Maldonado singles to LCF, Espinosa moves to 3B
Escobar walks on four pitches, Maldonado to 2B
Revere flies out F7 to end the inning

No score
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 07:43:32 pm
I meant running to first.


That's completely different.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 07:45:21 pm
That's completely different.

I'm sure Manfred is looking for ways to speed him up.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:47:20 pm
Bregman with an RBI single, makes the Angels pay for the error and grab a 1-0 lead.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 07:50:47 pm
Nice throw
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: austro on April 17, 2017, 07:51:05 pm
I really don't like that steal call. This guy can't throw strikes, he's going give you that base in a minute anyway.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 07:53:30 pm
I really don't like that steal call. This guy can't throw strikes, he's going give you that base in a minute anyway.

Maybe they're trying to create some excitement to get the crowd into the  game.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:53:59 pm
After Bregman thrown out by a mile trying to steal 2B, back to back walks put two on, two out for Fucking Aoki
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 07:54:03 pm
Today is my birthday and I had a minute so here's what I've got: since I dropped, the Astros are 13-18. Nolan Ryan was the pitcher of record in the initial loss (1980) and the initial win (1983). The 90s were the best decade (5-3) and teens (2-5 so far) will have to close out strong to avoid tying or trumping the 80s for the worst (2-6).  Roy Oswalt pitched them to a .500 record on April 17ths with a dominating performance in 2007. Last year, Altuve hit his 4th homer of the year on April 17th.

At first blush, I'm having a hard time squaring these facts with my long held belief that they "always" win on my birthday.

Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:54:58 pm
B2:

Beltran lines out to LF on a nice grab by Revere
Gattis grounds to 3B, Escobar throws it into RF, Gattis to 2B on the TE5...holy shit, it's ruled a base hit.  I don't think the Astros scorer has ever seen a baseball game
Bregman singles to CF, Gattis scores
Marwin...3-0...3-1...
Bregman tries to steal 2B and is out by 9 steps

Back to Marwin, who walks on the next pitch
Gurriel walks, Marwin to 2B
Aoki with a slow roller to 1B, 3U

1-0 Astros
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 07:55:01 pm
Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 07:57:04 pm
Astros need to make a point of sliding into a bag and kicking the shit out of it.  If some asshole's ankle or knee are in the way, oh well. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 07:58:58 pm
WAR, uh,
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin'
Say it again y'all.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 08:02:13 pm
Astros need to make a point of sliding into a bag and kicking the shit out of it.  If some asshole's ankle or knee are in the way, oh well.

There is no good reason to slide head first at second on a steal attempt.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:03:59 pm
Someone tell Gattis to not reach for the fucking ball
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2017, 08:05:54 pm
WAR, uh,
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin'
Say it again y'all.

Your haiku is really bad.

Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:07:57 pm
T3:

Trout...takes strike one for a ball.  Takes strike two for a ball.  Takes strike three for ball three.  Singles to RF.   The plate is 40 inches wide for the Astros, but it's the size of a fucking donut for Trout
Calhoun...a couple of pitchouts puts him ahead in the count...now 2-2...now full...strikes out looking as Trout steals 2B, stands up, dusts himself off before the throw gets there
Cron reaches on catcher's interference...again
Simmons grounds into FC, Cron out 4-6, but not hard enough to get two, Trout to 3B
Marte lines out to 3B

1-0 Astros
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 08:11:30 pm
Wasn't Satchel Paige brought out at 59 to pitch so he could qualify for a player pension?
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:13:55 pm
Astros with runners at the corners, nobody out for Altuve...
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:14:59 pm
Good situational hitting by Altuve...sac fly makes it 2-0
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:16:32 pm
B3:

Springer singles to LF
Reddick singles to CF, Springer to 3B
Altuve flies out to deep RF, Springer scores
Beltran chops to 1B, out 3U, but Reddick makes it into 2B
Gattis grounds out 6-3 on the first pitch

2-0 Astros
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 08:20:24 pm
Your haiku is really bad.

Fuckin Aoki
At least he's not a Red Dick
Morton hears a who


Yup. I'm bad at it too.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 08:21:39 pm
Fuckin Aoki
At least he's not a Red Dick
Morton hears a who


Yup. I'm bad at it too.

I kinda like Morton hears a who.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:23:54 pm
T4:

Espinosa flies out F9 on the first pitch
Maldonado singles to LF
Escobar...full count...hits into 4U-3 double play...Maldonado was running on the pitch, so Altuve moving to cover was right in position to for the easy DP.

2-0 Astros
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Ebby Calvin on April 17, 2017, 08:26:36 pm
Today is my birthday and I had a minute so here's what I've got: since I dropped, the Astros are 13-18. Nolan Ryan was the pitcher of record in the initial loss (1980) and the initial win (1983). The 90s were the best decade (5-3) and teens (2-5 so far) will have to close out strong to avoid tying or trumping the 80s for the worst (2-6).  Roy Oswalt pitched them to a .500 record on April 17ths with a dominating performance in 2007. Last year, Altuve hit his 4th homer of the year on April 17th.

At first blush, I'm having a hard time squaring these facts with my long held belief that they "always" win on my birthday.

Happy Birthday!  Now get off my lawn.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 08:27:24 pm
Wasn't Satchel Paige brought out at 59 to pitch so he could qualify for a player pension?

Yes, I believe so, I vaguely remember him pitching for the Kansas City Athletics in the mid 60's
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 08:28:11 pm
B4:

Bregman grounds out 6-3
Marwin grounds out 3U
Gurriel grounds out 6-3 on the first pitch

Quick five pitch inning...2-0 Astros after four
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2017, 08:30:19 pm
Wasn't Satchel Paige brought out at 59 to pitch so he could qualify for a player pension?

Yes, I believe so, I vaguely remember him pitching for the Kansas City Athletics in the mid 60's

I thought that was solely a Charley O publicity gimmick. I believe his later "coaching career" with the Braves was about the pension thing.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 08:33:24 pm
This strike zone to Trout is fucking unbelievable.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 17, 2017, 08:35:48 pm
Correction: whoever the schlub behind the plate is is just awful.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 08:38:22 pm
Atlanta pitching coach is right.  http://tomahawktake.com/2016/03/18/time-satchel-paige-atlanta-braves-pitching-coach/
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
Horton will likely hand it to Devo. I can't wait to watch that change up  tonight!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 08:46:08 pm
I've enjoyed pretty much every ab Aoki has had this season.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 08:47:15 pm
Horton will likely hand it to Devo. I can't wait to watch that change up  tonight!
Who
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 08:48:14 pm
Who

Shit. I think that may have been auto correct or just an odd brain fart. Morton.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 09:00:23 pm
Shit. I think that may have been auto correct or just an odd brain fart. Morton.

WVAstro hears a who.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: das on April 17, 2017, 09:02:55 pm
Wow, what a clinic on change of pace by Devo that inning.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 17, 2017, 09:07:01 pm
Dragon is unleashed
Circle of death comes for all
Long walk to dugout
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 09:11:03 pm
Dragon is unleashed
Circle of death comes for all
Long walk to dugout

An all-Haiku game zone could be pretty spectacular.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: das on April 17, 2017, 09:15:27 pm
An all-Haiku game zone could be pretty spectacular.

Indeed. Or, 50% chance it could be the SlamZone V2.0.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: das on April 17, 2017, 09:16:32 pm
Back to the game, the K of Trout was a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: moriartp on April 17, 2017, 09:18:23 pm
Wow, what a clinic on change of pace by Devo that inning.
He is unreal.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 09:29:47 pm
Dragon is unleashed
Circle of death comes for all
Long walk to dugout

The Winner winner
Of  said chicken dinner is:
Nate Colbert's haiku
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on April 17, 2017, 09:30:04 pm
Chris Devenski:
Player to Be Named Later
Now our bullpen ace


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: austro on April 17, 2017, 09:30:28 pm
Now it's nervous time as we await Giles.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on April 17, 2017, 09:30:41 pm
Indeed. Or, 50% chance it could be the SlamZone V2.0.

"Shit Zone" is only two syllables.


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 17, 2017, 09:31:31 pm
Thanks for the wishes.
Now shall we spare Giles the save?
Paella was fine.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 17, 2017, 09:34:43 pm
Nice piece of hitting against a 90s Braves zone by Reddick


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MusicMan on April 17, 2017, 09:35:20 pm
Every time an Astro tries to take an extra base, a fairy dies.


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 17, 2017, 09:35:31 pm
Altuve's base running on the other hand...


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MrKnuckleball on April 17, 2017, 09:36:12 pm
Fuckin Jose
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 09:36:29 pm
Altuve!!!!.... altuve...

Aw fuck it. Altuve!!!!!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: austro on April 17, 2017, 09:36:36 pm
It's just as well that Altuve made that out. There's no telling what would happen to Giles if he came in with a 4-run lead.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 17, 2017, 09:36:39 pm
Kalas thinks none of us should take issue with the base running decision, and he should "take that risk every time"


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 09:37:50 pm
It was a damn good throw.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 17, 2017, 09:38:17 pm
Two perfect throws just got him. It wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: austro on April 17, 2017, 09:38:28 pm
Kalas thinks none of us should take issue with the base running decision, and he should "take that risk every time"

I don't have a problem with him trying to make it. The Angels made a perfect relay. It happens.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 09:41:42 pm
Kalas thinks none of us should take issue with the base running decision, and he should "take that risk every time"


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What issues do you have and why?
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 17, 2017, 09:45:57 pm
Espinosa doesn't have a beard, he has a mask.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 17, 2017, 09:46:24 pm
That's what I'm talkin' about!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 09:46:29 pm
Astros win!!!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 09:46:50 pm
Giles!!!!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 09:47:47 pm
Giles!!!!

If he could throw that slider with that kind of control all the time, he'd be damn tough to beat. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on April 17, 2017, 09:48:30 pm
Devenski, Gregerson and Giles each earn a goose egg!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: austro on April 17, 2017, 09:49:29 pm
I think I read somewhere that he's nearly lights out when starts out with a strike.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 17, 2017, 09:50:10 pm
What issues do you have and why?

There were no outs, and he made the first of the inning at 3B. It all worked out in the end, but I'd rather have a runner in scoring position with no outs.


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: WVastro on April 17, 2017, 09:50:30 pm
In this young season
Devo has been electric!
That is why I watch!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 17, 2017, 09:51:35 pm
There were no outs, and he made the first of the inning at 3B. It all worked out in the end, but I'd rather have a runner in scoring position with no outs.


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Of course you would  We all would rather have a runner on base than an out.  But do you think every time a runner makes an out on the bases, it was because he fucked up?
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 17, 2017, 09:59:26 pm
Of course you would  We all would rather have a runner on base than an out.  But do you think every time a runner makes an out on the bases, it was because he fucked up?

If you're asking me to ascribe blame, i don't know if it was on him or Pettis, and I don't mind a calculated risk but would rather see it trying to stretch a single into a double than a double into a triple with no outs.


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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 17, 2017, 10:48:06 pm
Great game
And my Haiku still sucks.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 18, 2017, 06:31:54 am
If you're asking me to ascribe blame, i don't know if it was on him or Pettis, and I don't mind a calculated risk but would rather see it trying to stretch a single into a double than a double into a triple with no outs.

So you don't think that was a calculated risk?  Or you don't mind calculated risk, except from Altuve...on that particular play.  Sounds to me like you just immediately looked at the outcome and said "Altuve thrown out = bad", as if every undesired outcome was the result of a bad or poorly reasoned decision. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: hostros7 on April 18, 2017, 06:57:06 am
So you don't think that was a calculated risk?  Or you don't mind calculated risk, except from Altuve...on that particular play.  Sounds to me like you just immediately looked at the outcome and said "Altuve thrown out = bad", as if every undesired outcome was the result of a bad or poorly reasoned decision.

I don't like when any player is tagged out at 3B for the first out of an inning. It has nothing to do with which specific player made that out. Generally speaking, aggressive base running is positive when speed, situational awareness, and instincts align, and those three things generally serve Altuve well on the base paths. In this instance, I would have preferred he stay on 2B with no outs. He didn't, and it took a pretty good play to throw him out at 3B.




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Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 18, 2017, 07:28:30 am
I don't like when any player is tagged out at 3B for the first out of an inning. It has nothing to do with which specific player made that out. Generally speaking, aggressive base running is positive when speed, situational awareness, and instincts align, and those three things generally serve Altuve well on the base paths. In this instance, I would have preferred he stay on 2B with no outs. He didn't, and it took a pretty good play to throw him out at 3B.

Right, I understand you don't like it when a player is thrown out on the bases, none of us do.  I'm trying to get a little deeper on the source of your reaction, which was he should have avoided the risk.  I'm trying to understand *when* you think it's OK to take that risk, and why, the bottom of the 8th of a game you're leading 3-0 with your closer coming in to face the 7, 8 and 9 hitters, is not it.    Or do you never want to take that risk with nobody out?
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 18, 2017, 12:42:39 pm
Right, I understand you don't like it when a player is thrown out on the bases, none of us do.  I'm trying to get a little deeper on the source of your reaction, which was he should have avoided the risk.  I'm trying to understand *when* you think it's OK to take that risk, and why, the bottom of the 8th of a game you're leading 3-0 with your closer coming in to face the 7, 8 and 9 hitters, is not it.    Or do you never want to take that risk with nobody out?

I only want them to take that risk when it's successful.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 18, 2017, 01:21:37 pm
I only want them to take that risk when it's successful.

Precisely. It's poppycock. Every manager in the game will take the risk that Altuve took.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 18, 2017, 01:37:27 pm
Precisely. It's poppycock. Every manager in the game will take the risk that Altuve took.

I have seen Altuve make mistakes on the basepaths, and they're especially painful because I think he's a pretty fine baserunner.  Because he's good, it's easy to assume when he's out that Mistakes Were Made.  I wasn't at all surprised he headed to third.  I wasn't surprised he was out.  That was still an envelope worth pushing.   
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 18, 2017, 01:48:44 pm
I have seen Altuve make mistakes on the basepaths, and they're especially painful because I think he's a pretty fine baserunner.  Because he's good, it's easy to assume when he's out that Mistakes Were Made.  I wasn't at all surprised he headed to third.  I wasn't surprised he was out.  That was still an envelope worth pushing.

Everyone makes mistakes, base running, fielding errors, wild pitches, what have you.  They're part of the game.  And I understand, and generally agree with, the old adage about not making the first or third out at 3B.  But I'm not a slave to it.  Situations mean everything in baseball, plus I'm a firm believer that being aggressive is rewarded in the long term.  I can accept getting thrown out, or getting picked off on occasion if it means swiping bags and taking extra bases regularly. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 18, 2017, 02:19:41 pm
Everyone makes mistakes, base running, fielding errors, wild pitches, what have you.  They're part of the game.  And I understand, and generally agree with, the old adage about not making the first or third out at 3B.  But I'm not a slave to it.  Situations mean everything in baseball, plus I'm a firm believer that being aggressive is rewarded in the long term.  I can accept getting thrown out, or getting picked off on occasion if it means swiping bags and taking extra bases regularly.

+1
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: chuck on April 18, 2017, 02:22:15 pm
Right, I understand you don't like it when a player is thrown out on the bases, none of us do.

Not what he is saying.

Quote
I don't like when any player is tagged out at 3B for the first out of an inning.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 18, 2017, 02:29:46 pm
Not what he is saying.

It's haiku time!!!
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: HudsonHawk on April 18, 2017, 03:00:34 pm
Not what he is saying.

Right.  I'm trying to understand whether that's just a standing "rule" with him, or what his philosophy on trying take an extra base is. 
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: MRaup on April 18, 2017, 04:41:55 pm
This is the frame that Kalas started to say Altuve was rounding second and heading to 3rd.  If I told you the centerfielder had his back to the field and was making a play as Altuve arrived at 2nd, I can't imagine anyone wouldn't feel good about him making it safely to 3rd. (see attached file)
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: Aussie Astro on April 18, 2017, 06:05:02 pm
Right.  I'm trying to understand whether that's just a standing "rule" with him, or what his philosophy on trying take an extra base is.

I have heard the truism or clique (or whatever it is) many times 'never make your fist out at 3rd base' but people say a lot of things about baseball and not all of them make sense to me.
Title: Re: Angels @ Astros April 17, 2017
Post by: NeilT on April 18, 2017, 07:16:36 pm
I have heard the truism or clique (or whatever it is) many times 'never make your fist out at 3rd base' but people say a lot of things about baseball and not all of them make sense to me.

Come to think of it, I've never really made sense of it either.