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Title: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 03, 2014, 02:10:54 am
Moncada is a 19 year old switch-hitting 3B/SS who's interesting for several reasons, not only because of the talent level but because (unlike many of the other Cuban players) his signing would be subject to the international bonus pool rules and there's several high-spending clubs who'll be precluded from bidding on Moncada. Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com is reporting (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/100370044/cuban-prospect-yoan-moncada-petitioning-for-free-agency) Moncada is scheduled to hold a showcase on Nov. 12 in Guatemala. Here's a recap of some of the comments from Sanchez and from an earlier article on Moncada (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yoan-moncada-cuban-baseball-star/) from Ben Badler of BA:


Other Cubans currently unsigned:

Yasmany Tomas

The 24 year old corner OF with the power bat has a price tag (according to MLBTR) approaching 7 years and $100MM. Sanchez in a tweet last month (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/520616391809204224) mentioned Texas, Philly, San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle as having "strong interest". Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Jose Fernandez

A 26 year old 2B who defected just two weeks ago. Some reports say (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cuban-second-baseman-jose-fernandez-defects.html) he's not a toolsy dude yet is playing at a high enough level that he could step into a major league job today. We'll see. High OBP guy who strikes out very, very little (reportedly just 10 whiffs in 314 ABs in the Cuban league last year). Haven't seen any scouting reports which would suggest he has the arm strength to make the move to 3B. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Hector Olivera

Another 2B and recent defector, Olivera is certainly not on the same level as Fernandez (much less Moncada and Tomas). For obvious reasons as he's already 29 and has a checkered injury history. The 2B has shown a good eye at the plate (more walks than strikeouts during his Cuban league career) and has above average power for a middle infielder.  Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-leaves-cuba/) a Sept. article on him from Ben Badler. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on November 03, 2014, 07:08:18 am
i would love for the Astros to go after this guy but based on hype and price tag it seems like the Dodgers will be a natural fit.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Ron Brand on November 03, 2014, 07:20:28 am
Great stuff, Nate.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 03, 2014, 10:08:33 am
Left off one, the most recent defector:

Andy Ibanez

Left the island just a week ago (or prior to that but his leaving only very recently became known). The 3rd 2B on this list and at just 21 the only one likely to need some minor league seasoning. Like Moncada, he will be subject to the international bonus pool restrictions. Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/second-baseman-andy-ibanez-leaves-cuba/) the Ben Badler article.

ETA:
And just as I was was writing this, a tweet from Badler indicates he just posted a new article (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notebook-latest-buzz-cuban-players/) on Cuban players in which he discusses some lesser names including RHP Jorge Despaigne, OF Dian Toscano, P Yoan Lopez and 3B Pavel Quesada. Despaigne and Lopez are international bonus pool players while Toscano and Quesada are exempt.

Badler also takes a contrary opinion and says those clubs subject to the 100% tax (Red Sox, et. al.) may not necessarily feel constrained by it. Since they're effectively restricted from signing any big names in the next two international signing periods (2015-2016 and 2016-2017), they may decide to shoot their wad and sign as many players as they can prior to July 1 even if it costs them twice as much compared to a non-penalized club.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 05, 2014, 07:50:05 am
Decided to consolidate and update the list as there are a few other names out there (man, it's been a Mariel boatlift of Cuban baseball players coming over this year--great to see):

Yoan Moncada

Moncada is a 19 year old switch-hitting 3B/SS who's interesting for several reasons, not only because of the talent level but because (unlike many of the other Cuban players) his signing would be subject to the international bonus pool rules and there's several high-spending clubs who'll be precluded from bidding on Moncada. Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com is reporting (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/100370044/cuban-prospect-yoan-moncada-petitioning-for-free-agency) Moncada is scheduled to hold a showcase on Nov. 12 in Guatemala. Here's a recap of some of the comments from Sanchez and from an earlier article on Moncada (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yoan-moncada-cuban-baseball-star/) from Ben Badler of BA:


Yasmany Tomas

The 24 year old corner OF with the power bat has a price tag (according to MLBTR) approaching 7 years and $100MM. Sanchez in a tweet last month (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/520616391809204224) mentioned Texas, Philly, San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle as having "strong interest". Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Jose Fernandez

A 26 year old 2B who defected just two weeks ago. Some reports say (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cuban-second-baseman-jose-fernandez-defects.html) he's not a toolsy dude yet is playing at a high enough level that he could step into a major league job today. We'll see. High OBP guy who strikes out very, very little (reportedly just 10 whiffs in 314 ABs in the Cuban league last year). Haven't seen any scouting reports which would suggest he has the arm strength to make the move to 3B. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions. Badler has cautioned recently he hasn't actually seen confirmation that Hernandez is out of Cuba--may be in hiding still on the island or being punished for a previous defection attempt.

Hector Olivera

Another 2B and recent defector, Olivera is certainly not on the same level as Fernandez (much less Moncada and Tomas). For obvious reasons as he's already 29 and has a checkered injury history. The 2B has shown a good eye at the plate (more walks than strikeouts during his Cuban league career) and has above average power for a middle infielder.  Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-leaves-cuba/) a Sept. article on him from Ben Badler. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.


Misael Silverio

Small (5'9") soft tossing lefty who defected in July of 2013 as his Cuban team was playing in the United States. Not sure what the delay was in having not been signed yet (other than perhaps the US government unblocking process). A bullpen role may be his best shot at the major league level. 25 years old. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Yozzen Cuesta

6'2" 220 pound 1B with power but reportedly not much else. The 25 year old was last mentioned putting on a showcase for scouts last August along with Silverio in Florida. And like Silverio, he's exempt from the international bonus pool restrictions.

Diosdany Castillo

Right handed reliever who escaped in August. 27 years old. Exempt from the international bonus pool restrictions.

Andy Ibanez

Left the island just a week ago (or prior to that but his leaving only very recently became known). The 3rd 2B on this list and at just 21 the only one likely to need some minor league seasoning. Like Moncada, he will be subject to the international bonus pool restrictions. Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/second-baseman-andy-ibanez-leaves-cuba/) the Ben Badler article.

Dian Toscano and Pavel Quesada

OF and 3B, respectively. Both in their mid-20's and free agents not subject to the international bonus pool rules. Badler has more on each (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notebook-latest-buzz-cuban-players/).

Jorge Despaigne and Yoan Lopez

Both RHPs, aged 23 and 21 respectively. See the Badler writeup (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notebook-latest-buzz-cuban-players/) for more details. Also both subject to international bonus pool restrictions.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 05, 2014, 08:51:57 am
Also wanted to mention that the Angels have apparently signed (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/11/04/angels-cubas-baldoquin-come-to-terms-on-a-deal/) 20 year-old Cuban infielder Roberto Baldoquin to an $8MM deal. As Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com notes:

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Baldoquin’s bonus would be the highest given to an international amateur player during the current international signing period, surpassing the $3.1 million signing bonus awarded to teenage shortstop Gilbert Lara, ranked No. 4 on MLB.com’s Top 30 International Prospects, by Brewers on July 10.

If all of this is true, then that puts LAA in the same camp as the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays--teams that have exceeded their bonus pools by more than 15% during the current signing period. Again, that means they effectively cannot sign any big bonus players during the next 2 years and have to pay a 100% tax on the overages in the current signing period. So that either discourages all 4 clubs from signing any more players in the current period or, if you believe Ben Badler's reasoning, encourages them to splurge even more on players right now even though the tax makes that extremely costly. Either way, clubs like the Astros should have quite a few decent players to choose from in the next two signing periods without having to compete with the big spenders like the Red Sox and Yankees (assuming the rumored loopholes don't make a joke of these rules).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 05, 2014, 11:20:09 am
BTW, in an under the radar signing back in September, the Astros did acquire their very own Cuban defector. Per the Baseball America transactions page (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/minor-league-transactions-sept-5-10/) (h/t WTHB), the club nabbed 18 year-old el lanzador derecho Rogelio Armenteros.

Not a whole lot on the guy except for this rather sketchy information (http://kempstreet.weebly.com/1/post/2014/01/international-free-agent-profiles-rogelio-armenteros.html) (and if you're really desperate, you can check out his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/rogelio.armenteros.5)).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 05, 2014, 04:50:55 pm
More raves for Moncada from Badler (http://ht.ly/DTaES):
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  • If Moncada were subject to the 2015 draft, he would be the favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick.
  • The interest level among teams is huge, and with Moncada’s ability to play third base or second, the speed for center field and the offensive upside to go to an outfield corner if that’s where he fits best on a team, he would seemingly be a fit for just about any organization.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 11, 2014, 01:31:38 pm
No surprise given that all 30 organizations will be present but Director of International Operations Oz Ocampo will be in Guatemala tomorrow for the Moncada showcase.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 11, 2014, 09:45:09 pm
Passan (based on conversations with 2 GMs and 2 other officials) says Moncada will get 30-40MM (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/meet-the-latest-cuban-sensation-who-could-change-the-game-003916654.html) which of course blows past everybody's bonus pool and puts his ultimate cost to the signing club (100% tax in effect) at 60-80MM. Not to mention being unable to sign any players (those subject to the int'l bonus pool restrictions) for more than 300K for the next 2 years.

Well shove a shiv in me...

Passan mentions the international draft in his article and Moncada may finally represent the tipping point.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Lefty on November 11, 2014, 09:48:38 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on November 11, 2014, 09:45:09 pm
Well shove a shiv in me...

Passan mentions the international draft in his article and Moncada may finally represent the tipping point.

Damn. If he pans out, he's worth it, if not it's a disaster.  Glad I don't have to make that decision.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 11, 2014, 10:13:46 pm
Quote from: Lefty on November 11, 2014, 09:48:38 pm
Damn. If he pans out, he's worth it, if not it's a disaster.  Glad I don't have to make that decision.

And the tax makes that calculation so much tougher. If it was 100% salary, at least you have a chance a recouping a portion of that via a future trade (offloading any remaining salary on to your trade partner, at least in theory). The tax immediately becomes a sunk cost that you can't get back.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on November 12, 2014, 05:34:22 pm
So a team would commit as much or more money (including the penalty tax) to this kid as the highest bidders gave Jose Abreu and Rusney Castillo? That's a bit hard to believe.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 13, 2014, 11:38:15 pm
Kylie McDaniels' latest on Moncada (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/yoan-moncada-the-most-fascinating-piece-of-the-offseason/).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 14, 2014, 11:34:27 am
One of the dirty little secrets of signing Latin American amateur players is that deals are often reached months in advance of the actual signing deadline. So a number of players and their buscones have already reached such handshake deals with MLB teams and are "off the market" even though they can't actually formally sign until July 2 of next year. So if Moncada gets cleared and is eligible to sign in the current period (2014-2015 which ends July 1), then any club wanting to sign him has all those deals blown up and some pissed off buscones on their hands. Badler with further details (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/one-big-problem-teams-yoan-moncada/).

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 17, 2014, 02:21:43 pm
Siverio/Silverio signed a minor league deal (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/mariners-sign-cuban-lefty-siverio-to-minor-league-deal.html) with the Mariners.

Contract details per this tweet:

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Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd  21s
Mariners signed 5'9/185, 25-year-old Cuban LHP Misael Siverio for a $275K bonus & assigned to AAA w/split deal: $508K in MLB, $120K in MILB.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 26, 2014, 04:10:15 pm
Yasmany Tomas and the D-Backs have agreed on a 6-year $68.5MM deal with an opt-out after 4 years per Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/11/26/yasmany-tomas-to-d-backs/).

Comparable to what the White Sox gave Abreu and three years younger, certainly on the face of it Arizona doesn't seem to have paid an outrageous price for Tomas.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on November 26, 2014, 06:37:38 pm
I guess the Astros aren't even going to fake interest in the big free agents this year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on November 26, 2014, 10:17:08 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on November 26, 2014, 06:37:38 pm
I guess the Astros aren't even going to fake interest in the big free agents this year.
Tomas has been compared to Marlon Byrd. Is that what you want? And, depending how you define "fake" or "interest," they've demonstrated some form of one or the other towards Hanley Ramirez, David Robertson, as well as (depending on how you define "big")  Brett Andersen, Jason Hammel, maybe Andrew Miller, Kenta Maeda, etc.

I don't really give a shit whom they are publicly linked to, I just hope they actually sign some good players. From everything I've read about Tomas, I don't mind that they didn't join that bidding war.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on November 27, 2014, 11:36:03 am
Quote from: Reuben on November 26, 2014, 10:17:08 pm
Tomas has been compared to Marlon Byrd. Is that what you want? And, depending how you define "fake" or "interest," they've demonstrated some form of one or the other towards Hanley Ramirez, David Robertson, as well as (depending on how you define "big")  Brett Andersen, Jason Hammel, maybe Andrew Miller, Kenta Maeda, etc.

I don't really give a shit whom they are publicly linked to, I just hope they actually sign some good players. From everything I've read about Tomas, I don't mind that they didn't join that bidding war.

I didn't want him either, it was just a snarky comment.  Last year they actually made offers to Choo and Abreu but we haven't heard really anything this year other than some tire kicking.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 27, 2014, 09:55:06 pm
The "other" Yoan (the Lopez one, not the Moncada one) seems to be attracting a decent amount of interest, says Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/11/25/another-yoan-lopez-on-the-radar/). FUYankees, Brown Skirts, TooManyHipsters and B-Hacks all in the supposed mix.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 08, 2014, 05:05:15 pm
OF Dian Toscano signed by Braves (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-outfielder-dian-toscano-agrees-sign-braves/).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: chuck on December 17, 2014, 01:12:06 pm
I wonder if Cubans will eventually be allowed to play abroad or if they will still have to defect if they want to play off the island.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on December 17, 2014, 01:56:44 pm
Quote from: chuck on December 17, 2014, 01:12:06 pm
I wonder if Cubans will eventually be allowed to play abroad or if they will still have to defect if they want to play off the island.

Is this in reference to today's change in diplomatic policy towards Cuba?  Because it certainly would lead to that.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on December 17, 2014, 05:22:19 pm
Quote from: pots on December 17, 2014, 01:56:44 pm
Is this in reference to today's change in diplomatic policy towards Cuba?  Because it certainly would lead to that.
It's pretty clear that Selig and the other owners forced Obama to make this move; now they can institute the international draft and get all the Cubans for $6m or less instead of $100m or less.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 08, 2015, 09:06:26 pm
Kiley McDaniel (‏@kileymcd) tweeted out today:

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Yes. NYY & BOS are the heavy favorites. RT @NorbertoPaulino Have you heard anything on if the Red Sox are indeed in on Moncada?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 09, 2015, 10:34:19 am
RHP Yoan Lopez cleared to sign by feds (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/106008448/united-states-government-clears-cuban-flamethrower-yoan-lopez-to-sign) while INF Hector Olivera will be showcasing his skills in the DR (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/first-showcase-scheduled-hector-olivera/) in two weeks.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2015, 10:12:17 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 09, 2015, 10:34:19 am
RHP Yoan Lopez cleared to sign by feds (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/106008448/united-states-government-clears-cuban-flamethrower-yoan-lopez-to-sign)...

Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com tweets (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/554653971756118016) citing a source that Lopez's signing bonus could exceed the $8MM the Angels handed out to Baldoquin as the highest amount paid to a Cuban "amateur" (i.e., those subject to the international bonus pool restrictions). Of course, if it does happen that record will be soon be eclipsed by whatever money the Yankees/Red Sox/et. al. throw at Moncada.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2015, 05:27:53 pm
And Mr. Sanchez says Andy Ibanez (along with 4 other Cubans--LHP Ariel Miranda, SS Angel Fernandez, OF Gelkis Jimenez, and 1B Yasiel Mederos) to showcase himself this Friday (http://js.mlblogs.com/2015/01/12/showcase-for-andy-ibanez-others-scheduled-in-dr/) in the DR. Also says this about him:

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Ibanez, 21, is considered “a gamer” in international circles, and he has been compared to players such as Omar Infante, Miguel Cairo and Placido Polanco. The 5-foot-11, 195-pound infielder is fundamentally sound and has solid tools across the board, although he does not have one tool that blows scouts away.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 13, 2015, 10:31:39 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on January 12, 2015, 10:12:17 am
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com tweets (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/554653971756118016) citing a source that Lopez's signing bonus could exceed the $8MM the Angels handed out to Baldoquin as the highest amount paid to a Cuban "amateur" (i.e., those subject to the international bonus pool restrictions). Of course, if it does happen that record will be soon be eclipsed by whatever money the Yankees/Red Sox/et. al. throw at Moncada.

Lopez signed by D-Backs (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-pitcher-yoan-lopez-signs/) for $8.25MM. Arizona pays tax this signing period and will be unable to sign players for more than $300K in next two signing periods.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 23, 2015, 06:12:02 pm
Updated the list, including adding a few recent defectors:

Yoan Moncada

Moncada is a 19 year old switch-hitting 3B/SS who's interesting for several reasons, not only because of the talent level but because (unlike many of the other Cuban players) his signing would be subject to the international bonus pool rules and there's several high-spending clubs who'll be precluded from bidding on Moncada. Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com is reporting (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/100370044/cuban-prospect-yoan-moncada-petitioning-for-free-agency) Moncada is scheduled to hold a showcase on Nov. 12 in Guatemala. Here's a recap of some of the comments from Sanchez and from an earlier article on Moncada (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yoan-moncada-cuban-baseball-star/) from Ben Badler of BA:


Yasmany Tomas Signed

The 24 year old corner OF with the power bat has a price tag (according to MLBTR) approaching 7 years and $100MM. Sanchez in a tweet last month (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/520616391809204224) mentioned Texas, Philly, San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle as having "strong interest". Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Jose Fernandez

Originally believed to have defected but now thought to still be in Cuba. Some reports say (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cuban-second-baseman-jose-fernandez-defects.html) he's not a toolsy dude yet is playing at a high enough level that he could step into a major league job today. We'll see. High OBP guy who strikes out very, very little (reportedly just 10 whiffs in 314 ABs in the Cuban league last year). Haven't seen any scouting reports which would suggest he has the arm strength to make the move to 3B. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Hector Olivera

Another 2B and recent defector, Olivera is certainly not on the same level as Fernandez (much less Moncada and Tomas). For obvious reasons as he's already 29 and has a checkered injury history. The 2B has shown a good eye at the plate (more walks than strikeouts during his Cuban league career) and has above average power for a middle infielder.  Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-leaves-cuba/) a Sept. article on him from Ben Badler. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.


Misael Silverio Signed

Small (5'9") soft tossing lefty who defected in July of 2013 as his Cuban team was playing in the United States. Not sure what the delay was in having not been signed yet (other than perhaps the US government unblocking process). A bullpen role may be his best shot at the major league level. 25 years old. Exempt from international bonus pool restrictions.

Yozzen Cuesta

6'2" 220 pound 1B with power but reportedly not much else. The 25 year old was last mentioned putting on a showcase for scouts last August along with Silverio in Florida. And like Silverio, he's exempt from the international bonus pool restrictions.

Diosdany Castillo

Right handed reliever who escaped in August. 27 years old. Exempt from the international bonus pool restrictions.

Andy Ibanez

Left the island just a week ago (or prior to that but his leaving only very recently became known). The 3rd 2B on this list and at just 21 the only one likely to need some minor league seasoning. Like Moncada, he will be subject to the international bonus pool restrictions. Here's (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/second-baseman-andy-ibanez-leaves-cuba/) the Ben Badler article.

Dian Toscano Signed and Pavel Quesada

OF and 3B, respectively. Both in their mid-20's and free agents not subject to the international bonus pool rules. Badler has more on each (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notebook-latest-buzz-cuban-players/).

Jorge Despaigne and Yoan Lopez Signed

Both RHPs, aged 23 and 21 respectively. See the Badler writeup (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notebook-latest-buzz-cuban-players/) for more details. Also both subject to international bonus pool restrictions.

Guillermo Heredia

Soon to be 24 year old CF and recent defector (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/center-fielder-guillermo-heredia-leaves-cuba.html). Elite D but questionable bat, says Badler. Not subject to international bonus pool restrictions.

Lorenzo Quintana

25 year old catcher who like Heredia just defected (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/center-fielder-guillermo-heredia-leaves-cuba.html). Not subject to international bonus pool restrictions but other than that haven't seen much written on this guy (at least in prospect terms).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 27, 2015, 05:50:38 pm
A couple of recent Jeff Passan tweets:

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One league source estimated Yoan Moncada could be a free agent as soon as two weeks from now should MLB square away its concerns with OFAC.*

Favorites: Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers. Moncada hasn’t ruled out Cubs, who can’t sign him until July 2 due to prior int’l spending penalties.

*Passan goes into further detail in this article (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--star-cuban-prospect-yoan-moncada-s-free-agency-imminent-230856047.html) describing how the recent Obama administration changes will impact the whole OFAC approval process.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 27, 2015, 06:02:25 pm
In the "not exactly news" category:

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@MikeFerrinSXM  2 hours ago
Manfred on @MLBNetworkRadio: “At some point…we’re gonna end up with a worldwide draft system."
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on January 27, 2015, 06:10:19 pm
I always knew it was a long shot, but I was really hoping Luhnow would make a run at Moncada.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on January 27, 2015, 10:13:55 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on January 27, 2015, 06:10:19 pm
I always knew it was a long shot, but I was really hoping Luhnow would make a run at Moncada.
I wish I had a better understanding of whom Moncada compares to at this stage of his development. I've seen things along the lines of "best young Cuban since Jorge Soler"... well, Jorge Soler is a good-looking player who had a great 2014 in AA and AAA, but is he a guy you regret not throwing $80 million dollars at 3 years ago? If Moncada were in the 2015 draft, would he be a Harper/Strasburg-type lock to go #1? Would he go #1 if you combined the 2012-15 classes all into one?

It's just hard for me to imagine that, with the inherent bust rate of 19-year-olds, spending $80m on a signing bonus for this one teenager would be a sound investment. Maybe it's not realistic to think your alternative is to spend $8m apiece on 10 teenagers, but if you look at it from that basic standpoint, I just have a hard time seeing how it's smart to drop that much coin on one kid.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 30, 2015, 11:27:30 pm
As their eligibility to sign becomes more and more imminent, based on what he's hearing Kylie McDaniel (bottom of the article (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ofac-clarifies-stance-mlb-is-only-hurdle-for-cubans/)) gives his latest estimates at what it will cost to sign the three highest profile players:

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on January 31, 2015, 09:11:51 am
Quote from: Reuben on January 27, 2015, 10:13:55 pm
I wish I had a better understanding of whom Moncada compares to at this stage of his development. I've seen things along the lines of "best young Cuban since Jorge Soler"... well, Jorge Soler is a good-looking player who had a great 2014 in AA and AAA, but is he a guy you regret not throwing $80 million dollars at 3 years ago? If Moncada were in the 2015 draft, would he be a Harper/Strasburg-type lock to go #1? Would he go #1 if you combined the 2012-15 classes all into one?

It's just hard for me to imagine that, with the inherent bust rate of 19-year-olds, spending $80m on a signing bonus for this one teenager would be a sound investment. Maybe it's not realistic to think your alternative is to spend $8m apiece on 10 teenagers, but if you look at it from that basic standpoint, I just have a hard time seeing how it's smart to drop that much coin on one kid.

Every baseball investment carries a ton of risk.  Seeing guys like Cespedes, Puig, Abreu, etc make an impact and the comps Moncada is getting makes me think he would be worth it.  I doubt Luhnow has that kind of flexibility.

In general I wish the Astros were more of a player in the international market.  For all of the wheeling and dealing Luhnow has done during this 4-year rebuild there has been hardly any investment of any significance in the international market.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 05, 2015, 06:05:55 pm
Wasn't aware of this until today but B-Ref, the best statistical website on the planet, has  Cuban National Series (https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/563453588207587328/photo/1) stats on its website. They apparently just added info for the last two seasons but they actually have stats on the league going back decades. So if you want to compare how Yasiel Puig did in his age 17 season in the CNS to Yoan Moncada's age 17 season in the league, click away.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 07, 2015, 02:24:33 am
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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on February 07, 2015, 08:57:13 am
Nate, just wanted to say thanks again for all your work here and on the Bus Ride forum. Great info and insight.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: moriartp on February 07, 2015, 09:17:12 am
Seconded. You've been killing it.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2015, 05:21:39 am
Left Baldoquin off that earlier list.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 09, 2015, 07:41:47 pm
Adding a new player to the list:

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on February 09, 2015, 07:54:45 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on January 31, 2015, 09:11:51 am
Every baseball investment carries a ton of risk.  Seeing guys like Cespedes, Puig, Abreu, etc make an impact and the comps Moncada is getting makes me think he would be worth it.  I doubt Luhnow has that kind of flexibility.

In general I wish the Astros were more of a player in the international market.  For all of the wheeling and dealing Luhnow has done during this 4-year rebuild there has been hardly any investment of any significance in the international market.
One major difference is the $60-80m for Moncada would be all as a signing bonus (and tax). Not a contract. Depending how his arb years went he could cost an extra $40m or so for his first 6 years. Add to that the higher risk of a kid his age vs. someone like Abreu with a lengthy track-record of excellence, and it's just a whole different ball of wax, even if he does have the potential to be an even better player.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 11, 2015, 08:29:08 pm
BA's Ben Badler (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-shines-final-showcase/) after Hector Olivera's impressive showcase in the DR today:

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Yet, on talent alone, Olivera was a better player than Castillo and Tomas when they were in Cuba. Olivera is 29 while [Rusney] Castillo is 27 and [Yasmany] Tomas 24, so that works against him, but Olivera is the same [age] as most major league free agents. But if I had my choice of one of those three players, assuming the team doctors give him a thumbs up, I would take Olivera over Castillo or Tomas. From talking with several scouts about it, I’m not alone in that opinion, either.

Per Badler, scout gossip says Olivera is asking for Castillo-level bucks ($12MM AAV). And though his primary experience is as a 2B, says several teams are looking at him as a 3B.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 11, 2015, 09:19:18 pm
Jim Callis compares scouting grades (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/108942702/jim-callis-comparing-yoan-moncada-to-top-middle-infield-prospects) on Moncada to Carlos Correa (and a few other top-rated middle infield prospects):


*Grades on Correa weren't used in a couple of categories (because other middle infield prospects ranked higher) but you can find all of his grades here (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=ss).

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 12, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
To get some perspective on the evolving market for Cuban players, added signings for 2010-2104 when the Aroldis Chapman deal at the start of that period more or less marked the beginning of high dollar deals for defectors from the island (only listed are deals of at least $1MM during that time):

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 15, 2015, 11:04:04 pm
More players have left the island according to Ben Badler (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/lazaro-alonso-osniel-madera-leave-cuba/), so updating the list:

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2015, 07:27:34 pm
Another heretofore unknown name (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/cuba-notes-yoilan-serce-olivera-dodgers-dbacks.html) popping up to add to the list:

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2015, 08:29:43 pm
Olivera bidding now (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/report-five-teams-prepared-to-spend-over-70-million-on-cuban-infielder-hector-olivera/) at over $70MM?!?!?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: astrosfan76 on February 23, 2015, 08:11:37 am
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Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING - Source: Cuban INF prospect Yoan Moncada agrees with Red Sox on a deal in $30 million range. Check http://MLB.com .

Not that we were in on him, but take that one off the table.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 23, 2015, 09:38:20 am
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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 23, 2015, 10:14:22 am
A bit more on 20 year-old Rogelio Armenteros (from today's Drellich article on why the Astros weren't in on Moncada (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/02/23/yoan-moncada-was-not-realistic-for-astros-to-sign/)):

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...who was signed on Sept. 15, 2014 by scout Alex Jacobs and went to the team’s instructional league. Reaching into the low 90s and carrying a four-pitch mix, Armenteros has a bulky but athletic build and could add velocity.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 05, 2015, 05:50:51 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on February 17, 2015, 08:29:43 pm
Olivera bidding now (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/report-five-teams-prepared-to-spend-over-70-million-on-cuban-infielder-hector-olivera/) at over $70MM?!?!?

Well a rather large detour apparently just happened (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cuban-infielder-hector-olivera-174853906.html) on the road to that $70MM (or $50MM or whatever).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 23, 2015, 01:13:25 pm
Even Cubans the "experts" are barely familiar with are having millions of dollars thrown (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dodgers-agree-sign-cuban-pitcher-pablo-millan-fernandez-8-million/) at them.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 24, 2015, 02:14:33 pm
After having signed Olivera today (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/dodgers-to-sign-hector-olivera.html), the Dodgers have spent $166MM over the last 3 years signing Cuban ballplayers. And since none of those signings impacted their international bonus pool, they can still spend jabillions come July 2 on any and all Dominican/Venezuelan players.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 07, 2015, 03:15:52 pm
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com with several more names of Cubans (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/116741076/right-hander-carlos-sierra-among-cuban-players-aiming-for-majors) to keep an eye on.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 23, 2015, 07:19:39 pm
Ben Badler of BA profiles a couple of more Cubans (here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yaisel-sierra-latest-top-prospect-leave-cuba/) and here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-prospect-yusnier-diaz-leaves-cuba/)) who've left the island.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 13, 2015, 11:14:17 pm
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports on 3 more players (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/124052414/international-market-gains-three-cuban-players) who have popped up on the radar (either having recently left the island or becoming eligible for signing):

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 23, 2015, 01:14:08 am
The best pitching prospect in Cuba (or the best pitching prospect remaining in Cuba anyway) has left the island (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/norge-ruiz-cubas-best-pitching-prospect-leaves-cuba/), ladies and gentleman.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 24, 2015, 11:10:32 pm
Some relatively low-key Cuban signings over the last week or so:

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 28, 2015, 10:40:11 am
BA says the most recent Serie Nacional ROY (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/alfredo-rodriguez-gold-glove-shortstop-rookie-year-leaves-cuba/) and GG-winning shortstop (but light with the bat) has left Cuba.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: astrosfan76 on May 28, 2015, 08:04:02 pm
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@MaxWildstein: Source: #Astros have signed Cuban RHP Yoanis Quiala to a minor-league deal, pending a physical. Quiala is a 21-year-old reliever. #MLB

RHP Yoanis Quiala is a power pitcher. Can hit 96-98 on gun. Not much secondary stuff. Supposedly a smaller deal, per source. #Astros #MLB
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 28, 2015, 08:32:07 pm
Quote from: astrosfan76 on May 28, 2015, 08:04:02 pm
@MaxWildstein: Source: #Astros have signed Cuban RHP Yoanis Quiala to a minor-league deal, pending a physical. Quiala is a 21-year-old reliever. #MLB

RHP Yoanis Quiala is a power pitcher. Can hit 96-98 on gun. Not much secondary stuff. Supposedly a smaller deal, per source. #Astros #MLB

Given his age he's almost certainly subject to the bonus pool rules. And my guess is that's the reason why the Astros acquired that $700K in international slot value from the Orioles the other day.

Bit odd that Ben Badler/Kylie McDaniel/Jesse Sanchez hadn't previously reported on a Cuban player working out for clubs with that kind of speed on the gun.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on May 29, 2015, 09:42:15 am
Quote from: astrosfan76 on May 28, 2015, 08:04:02 pm


"Yoanis Quiala?"

National Zoo: "Sure, we can always use another."
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on May 29, 2015, 12:52:24 pm
Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on May 29, 2015, 09:42:15 am
"Yoanis Quiala?"

National Zoo: "Sure, we can always use another."

Perfect.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 29, 2015, 05:45:48 pm
From his B-Ref page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quiala001yoa):

Yoanis (aka Yoanys) Quiala pitched one year in the Serie Nacional and that was at age 19 back in the 2012-2013 season. Had a 2.22 ERA in 52.2 IP, allowing 49 hits and 14 walks while whiffing 33.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: NeilT on May 29, 2015, 06:40:47 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on May 29, 2015, 05:45:48 pm
From his B-Ref page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quiala001yoa):

Yoanis (aka Yoanys) Quiala pitched one year in the Serie Nacional and that was at age 19 back in the 2012-2013 season. Had a 2.22 ERA in 52.2 IP, allowing 49 hits and 14 walks while whiffing 33.

And did it all on a diet of eucalyptus leaves.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 30, 2015, 11:34:08 pm
A 19 year-old pitching prospect (see here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/pitching-prospect-ronald-bolanos-leaves-cuba/)) and a 27 year-old OF who was ranked the 16th-best player in Cuba (see here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-outfielder-yadiel-hernandez-leaves-cuban-team-north-carolina/)) have recently left la isla:

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 02, 2015, 09:20:02 pm
The Astros signed their 3rd Cuban player in the last 9 months. The most recent signing was first noted here (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=117545.msg524806#new). The player in question, OF Alejandro Garcia, was described this way in a since-issued Astros press release (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/134300118/astros-sign-cuban-free-agent-alejandro-garcia):

"[Senior Scouting Advisor] Charlie Gonzalez did a tremendous job in identifying Alejandro early as a true center fielder with hitting ability," said [Director of Interntional Oz] Ocampo. "Offensively, Alejandro shows the ability to center the ball with consistency and hit for some power, with strong hand-eye coordination and very good hands. Alejandro is one of the fastest runners we've seen all year and a strong base-stealing threat. Defensively, Alejandro has a chance to be a plus defender due to his athleticism and plus-plus speed. Alejandro is a focused, determined player whose goal is to be an impact Major League player."

According to his B-Ref Page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=garcia008ale), the-now 24 year old Garcia played three seasons in the Serie Nacional from 2010-2012 where he batted .261/.330/.317 and was caught 13 times in 25 steal attempts. According to the PR, he was one of the youngest players in the league (perhaps he was, but I've seen many players that age or even several years younger playing in the SN). Like recent Cuban signee Yoanys Quiala, Garcia is being assigned to one of the DSL teams.

Luhnow was also quoted in the PR:

"We have scouted the top Cuban market aggressively over the past few years, including the major international tournaments and showcases, and we will continue to identify, evaluate, sign, and develop young Cuban talent capable of making an impact at the Major League Level."

In other Cuban player news, one of the top pitchers on the market was signed today by (of course) the Dodgers.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 08, 2015, 10:06:47 am
Rangers plied the Cuban market yesterday (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/rangers-to-sign-cuban-free-agent-andy-ibanez.html).

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 09, 2015, 04:54:13 pm
Although the Dodgers and Giants (and possibly Cubs) are thought to be in the lead to sign him, this mlb.com article (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/135737964/dodgers-giants-may-ink-top-international-name) notes the Astros were one of a handful of teams to have worked out Cuban OF Eddy Julio Martinez (and the top-rated July 2 prospect) privately.

Expected price north of $10MM, putting any team signing him (if they're not already) into the penalty box with 100% tax and limited signing ability next two years.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 24, 2015, 02:08:44 pm
Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  8 minutes ago
Source: Cuban RHP Carlos Sierra agreed to a deal with #Astros. Sierra is subject to int'l signing rules.

Previous writeup (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/116741076/right-hander-carlos-sierra-among-cuban-players-aiming-for-majors).

ETA:

That's the 4th Cuban player signing by the Astros in the last year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 06, 2016, 08:12:25 pm
Just updating for some recent signings (none involving the Astros). Note that in just the last 10 months the Dodgers have spent $176MM on Cuban players alone.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2016, 08:03:34 am
Would have been much bigger news had this happened a few years ago...

Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  13 minutes ago
Brothers Yulieski Gourriel & Lourdes Gourriel Jr. reportedly defected and will be seeking MLB deals.

Still, two of the top names remaining (at least until now) in Cuba.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on February 08, 2016, 01:38:48 pm
so can Yulieske sign somewhere before opening day?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 08, 2016, 04:40:32 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on February 08, 2016, 01:38:48 pm
so can Yulieske sign somewhere before opening day?

Has to establish residency in a country other than the US first (likely the DR or Haiti) and then be declared a free agent by MLB. While part of that process has been streamlined, I can't imagine it happening soon enough for Yulieski to be signed that quickly. Given that he's exempt from the bonus pool rules (and thus all 30 clubs will be able to bid on him), he'll be the subject of quite a bidding war that will take time to play out as well. I would think closer to the All-Star break would be a more realistic timeline.

Sidenote re the spelling of the last name: it's been "Gourriel" since just about forever but Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com says it was spelled "Gurriel" on their jerseys at the recent Carribean Series and that variation seems to be quickly catching on.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 10, 2016, 07:34:26 pm
Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler  1 hour ago
Astros hosting an open showcase for Cuban RHP Vladimir Gutierrez in Kissimmee, FL on March 17. One of the better young Cuban arms available.

As indicated below, Gutierrez is subject to the bonus pool tax.



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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 29, 2016, 02:28:05 pm
The amount of the bonus paid to Astros signee Yoanis Quiala has now been reported so I've updated the table to reflect it.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 07, 2016, 05:02:17 pm
The Astros apparently have made a relatively big splash (for them, anyway) in the Cuban market, with a handshake agreement in place regarding 22-year old INF Anibal Sierra. ESPN is reporting the deal though I have yet to see any confirmation out of Ben Badler of BA. The bonus is reportedly $3.5MM and will be effective in the next signing period beginning July 2. Because the deal would be subject to the bonus pools, an equivalent tax will apply nearly doubling the signing cost. The Astros will be also be subject to restrictions on signing players in future years but that may all become moot depending on how the new CBA is structured. Sierra did not show up on any of the lists of top Cuban prospects still available so the $7MM cost to sign him makes it all the more interesting (head-scratching?). What limited information that shows up on Sierra says good field/no hit. Put up .238/.307/.298 numbers in three seasons in the CNS (2012-2014) playing a grand total of just 47 games at 2B and 26 games at SS over that period. Allegedly the brother of Carlos Sierra who was signed back in December.

Really would like to see more confirmation on this because the information reported so far doesn't quite add up.

ETA:
An unconfirmed report says the Astros have also signed OF/1B Norberto Castellano. Now 23, hit .249/.361/.311 in the Cuba National Series from 2012-2014 which would have been his age 19-21 seasons. Looks like he mostly DH'd in the 84 games he played during those 3 seasons.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 10, 2016, 11:49:38 am
This from Ben Badler re Anibal Sierra (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-will-break-international-bonus-pool-agree-to-sign-cuban-shortstop-anibal-sierra/#m1a3AdyHVTxlmrQS.97):

"It’s surprising that the Astros would be willing to break their bonus pool to sign Sierra, who was not a standout player in Cuba. Sierra didn’t play much in Cuba’s Serie Nacional, but from watching him play there during his final season (2014-15), he didn’t have any tools that stood out, with below-average speed and occasional gap power at best. He did use the opposite field, but he had trouble making contact against fastballs in the strike zone and a tendency to chase sliders off the plate."

However, Badler does go on to say that since leaving Cuba his skills seem to have improved and will be able to stick at shortstop.

The $7MM effective cost to sign Sierra dwarfs the previous highs the Astros have paid to an international free agent.  The previous high of $2.6MM was given to OF Ariel Ovando in 2010. Ovando washed out as an outfielder and was last seen pitching in rookie ball in the Cubs organization (though over the offseason he was claimed by the Angels in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft). The 3rd highest international bonus in Astros' history was the $2.5MM given to 16 year old Dominican CF Gilbert Celestino last year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Travis on April 11, 2016, 08:01:49 am
You kind of hope that this signing is part of a larger outlay this summer for internationals, given that (1) Astros' draft spending will be down this year; and (2) this may be one of the last chances to spend huge internationally before a draft is instituted.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 11, 2016, 02:10:28 pm
As I was going through the 2016 Astros Media Guide, I discovered one other Cuban signing that was never reported. Pitcher Michel Martinez was signed April 4, 2015. Age 21 at the time he was signed, the Astros stuck him in the DSL last year before bringing him stateside to pitch the last month of the GCL season. If his B-Ref page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=martin022mic) is correct, never actually pitched in the Cuban National Series. Added him to the list below.

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 11, 2016, 02:31:39 pm
Quote from: Travis on April 11, 2016, 08:01:49 am
You kind of hope that this signing is part of a larger outlay this summer for internationals, given that (1) Astros' draft spending will be down this year; and (2) this may be one of the last chances to spend huge internationally before a draft is instituted.

In the last 18 months the Astros have signed more Cuban players than any club not named LAD (granted, they haven't spent anywhere near what the Dodgers have spent but then who has?). Is that just a coincidence or a strategy on their part because they feel the Cubans (even after all the signings of the last several years) still offer better value compared to the rest of the international market? If it's the latter, makes you wonder if a "go big" strategy on the international side starting July 2nd might involve targeting even more Cuban players. Just a thought.

(Just as a sidenote, the Astros Media Guide lists Charlie Gonzalez as having signed all the Cuban players. Gonzalez is of course the Astros senior scouting advisor and one of the Cardinals mafia that Luhnow brought with him, although Gonzalez came later in 2013.)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: astrosfan76 on April 29, 2016, 06:35:38 pm
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In what will likely be his final time on the mound before he signs, 20-year-old Cuban righthander Vladimir Gutierrez showed mid-90s velocity Friday morning at an open showcase at the Phillies’ complex in Clearwater, Fla.

The Astros, who are planning to break their international bonus pool when the 2016-17 signing period opens on July 2, had the deepest crew of evaluators on hand, according to those in attendance. The Dodgers, who are over their current bonus pool, also had a strong presence at the event.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-dodgers-show-strong-presence-at-vladimir-gutierrez-showcase/#jOztSay8i5AMO5ru.99 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-dodgers-show-strong-presence-at-vladimir-gutierrez-showcase/#jOztSay8i5AMO5ru.99)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 11, 2016, 11:21:14 pm
Saw this recent tweet from Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com and wanted to add the player to the list of signing possibilities below:

Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  May 9
Add Johan Oviedo, 18, to list of prospects to watch. The 6-ft-6, 235-pound RHP has been 94-96 & touching 98 mph. He's eligible to sign #Cuba

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 13, 2016, 01:01:32 pm
Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  2 hours ago
Source: Cuban infielder Yulieski Gurriel has been declared a free agent & is free to sign with a team. He's considered ready for @mlb.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on June 13, 2016, 01:13:55 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on June 13, 2016, 01:01:32 pm
Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  2 hours ago
Source: Cuban infielder Yulieski Gurriel has been declared a free agent & is free to sign with a team. He's considered ready for @mlb.

Can he play 3b and can he catch a flight to STL?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 13, 2016, 06:43:44 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on June 13, 2016, 01:13:55 pm
Can he play 3b?

Yes.

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and can he catch a flight to STL?

Only if there's a duffel bag with $50MM on it.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 16, 2016, 01:29:20 am
The Astros aren't the only ones shelling out big bucks for Cuban players about which there is little previously-disclosed public information. With the 2015-2016 int'l signing period closing on Wednesday (beginning a 2-week blackout period before the 2016-2017 signing period starts July 2), the Dodgers shelled out $2MM for 18-year old 1B/OF Yordan Alvarez. Which of course means their effective cost will be $4MM since they're in the penalty.

I also saw a report from a Cuban baseball writer that the Astros did in fact sign Norberto Castellanos (though he's listed on B-Ref as "Castellano"). He reported the signing bonus as $75K so we'll go with that for now.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 22, 2016, 03:26:32 pm
"According to a source, the Astros, Giants and Yankees are also among the teams that have expressed interest in (Yulieski) Gurriel and could be in line for a private workout."

Link (http://m.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article/185555554)

(Article notes Mets and Dodgers apparently have had or will have private workouts as well.)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on June 29, 2016, 01:17:22 pm
32 year old Cuban star pictured with an Astros hat... (https://www.instagram.com/p/BHPxQQoBExf/?taken-by=el_yuly10) though he did the same thing after a Mets workout 2 days ago. 

His stats last year are hard to believe (http://www.baseballdecuba.com/leaders.html?language=en).  Not the 500 avg or 873 slugging.   But 3 strikeouts in 224 plate appearances. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 29, 2016, 04:08:04 pm
Rosenthal puts on his spekalatin' hat (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/notes-market-for-cuban-free-agent-yuliesky-gurriel-is-heating-up-062916):

"Perhaps the Astros could sign Gurriel, use him at third base and designated hitter later in the summer, then move him to left next season. Another possibility -- with both left fielder Colby Rasmus and center fielder Carlos Gomez potential free agents -- would be to move Bregman to the outfield next season, even though the Astros drafted him as a shortstop with the second pick in the 2015 draft."
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on June 29, 2016, 06:45:41 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on June 29, 2016, 04:08:04 pm
Rosenthal puts on his spekalatin' hat (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/notes-market-for-cuban-free-agent-yuliesky-gurriel-is-heating-up-062916):

"Perhaps the Astros could sign Gurriel, use him at third base and designated hitter later in the summer, then move him to left next season. Another possibility -- with both left fielder Colby Rasmus and center fielder Carlos Gomez potential free agents -- would be to move Bregman to the outfield next season, even though the Astros drafted him as a shortstop with the second pick in the 2015 draft."

Certainly not going to come cheap.  I'd guess 4 year 60 million for a 31 year old that has never swung a bat in the majors.  But he might be an impact bat that costs 0 prospects. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on June 29, 2016, 09:03:57 pm
Quote from: pots on June 29, 2016, 06:45:41 pm
Certainly not going to come cheap.  I'd guess 4 year 60 million for a 31 year old that has never swung a bat in the majors.  But he might be an impact bat that costs 0 prospects.

Prospects has always been this management group's currency. Not sure I see that changing.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Navin R Johnson on June 29, 2016, 09:34:03 pm
On MLB Tonight the number they threw out was 4/48.   
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 29, 2016, 09:35:16 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on June 29, 2016, 09:03:57 pm
Prospects has always been this management group's currency. Not sure I see that changing.

20% of the current roster were FA acquisitions--Feldman, Fister, Rasmus, Gregerson, Neshek. And that's not counting Sipp.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on June 30, 2016, 06:52:18 am
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on June 29, 2016, 09:34:03 pm
On MLB Tonight the number they threw out was 4/48.

I read an article that kicked around 4/52 for him.  But I think the Mets drive that number up now.  Wright is likely out for the season. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on June 30, 2016, 06:53:22 am
Quote from: juliogotay on June 29, 2016, 09:03:57 pm
Prospects has always been this management group's currency. Not sure I see that changing.

Annibal Sierra shows a break in the pattern. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Navin R Johnson on June 30, 2016, 07:44:04 am
The Astros are at the point they are going to have to pivot away from  prospects only mentality.   They are no longer going to have a huge chunk of allocation money and bunches of top 100 picks.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: moriartp on June 30, 2016, 08:22:17 am
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on June 30, 2016, 07:44:04 am
The Astros are at the point they are going to have to pivot away from  prospects only mentality.   They are no longer going to have a huge chunk of allocation money and bunches of top 100 picks.
And signing Cuban pros (the ones exempt from the bonus pools) is a great way to add talent without penalties in the draft/IFA market. Gourriel is a perfect example of the kind of guy they should be looking to add. You want to improve the club without sacrificing the future? Here's your chance.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on June 30, 2016, 10:41:57 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on June 29, 2016, 09:35:16 pm
20% of the current roster were FA acquisitions--Feldman, Fister, Rasmus, Gregerson, Neshek. And that's not counting Sipp.

The angle I was coming from was that the Astros use prospects as trading pieces frequently. I believe that you took my comment as they build their team with prospects. I thought that you liked the deal with the Cuban because they wouldn't have to give up prospects as they would if they made a deadline trade. Sorry I wasn't clearer in opening statement.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on June 30, 2016, 11:50:41 am
Quote from: juliogotay on June 30, 2016, 10:41:57 am
The angle I was coming from was that the Astros use prospects as trading pieces frequently. I believe that you took my comment as they build their team with prospects. I thought that you liked the deal with the Cuban because they wouldn't have to give up prospects as they would if they made a deadline trade. Sorry I wasn't clearer in opening statement.
Just because they've made a couple of deals that look like they gave up too much young talent, I wouldn't take that to mean they love doing it. I'm sure the idea of adding an impact player in the middle of a season without having to give up anybody holds enormous appeal to them. So yeah, I could see Gurriel at 3B, Valbuena/Marwin 1B, Reed/Gattis DH being an appealing thing for the last 2-3 months of 2016. They probably would prefer not to have to depend on Bregman adjusting to the majors in a pennant race.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 07, 2016, 02:34:11 pm
Jim Bowden 1 hr ago
ESPN Senior Writer

Yulieski Gurriel has now had private workouts completed with all the teams that are still "in" on his free agent bidding including: Dodgers, Mets, Giants, Yankees and Astros.  He also has worked out for the Padres as first reported by Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 07, 2016, 03:08:25 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 07, 2016, 02:34:11 pm
Jim Bowden 1 hr ago
ESPN Senior Writer

Yulieski Gurriel has now had private workouts completed with all the teams that are still "in" on his free agent bidding including: Dodgers, Mets, Giants, Yankees and Astros.  He also has worked out for the Padres as first reported by Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com.

What is the next step and timetable?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 07, 2016, 03:16:43 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 07, 2016, 02:34:11 pm
Jim Bowden 1 hr ago
ESPN Senior Writer

Yulieski Gurriel has now had private workouts completed with all the teams that are still "in" on his free agent bidding including: Dodgers, Mets, Giants, Yankees and Astros.  He also has worked out for the Padres as first reported by Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com.

Wow, we're included with the big-boys on this one.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 07, 2016, 03:29:19 pm
Quote from: JimR on July 07, 2016, 03:08:25 pm
What is the next step and timetable?

He's eligible to sign immediately so presumably his agent has already been fielding offers. Once a signing occurs, he'll need time in the minors to shake the rust off. So perhaps in the majors a month from now, maybe?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on July 08, 2016, 10:52:29 am
Can't help but think Bregman's and Teoscar's early success at AAA  (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=259) has taken the Astros out of the running.  I don't see enough at bats in August for both Bregman and Gurriel.  And Teoscar, at minimum, would be in the running for left field next year.  I assume Gurriel is going to sign with a team with a clear path to the majors this year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on July 08, 2016, 11:40:26 am
Quote from: pots on July 08, 2016, 10:52:29 am
Can't help but think Bregman's and Teoscar's early success at AAA  (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=259) has taken the Astros out of the running.  I don't see enough at bats in August for both Bregman and Gurriel.  And Teoscar, at minimum, would be in the running for left field next year.  I assume Gurriel is going to sign with a team with a clear path to the majors this year.
Valbuena and Marwin could platoon at 1B, and depending how Reed does, you might need a 3B and a DH (Gattis is not deserving of the full-time DH role, to me).

Plus, I still think it's asking a lot to expect Bregman to come up and be a difference-maker in a pennant race so soon, all while playing an unfamiliar position.

That being said, I do agree it's way more likely another team signs Gurriel.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: toddthebod on July 10, 2016, 08:29:41 pm
You could play Guriel at third this year, play Valbuena at first, and send Reed back for more seasoning in AAA.  Marwin plays everywhere when needed.

Valbuena is a free agent next year and I'm not sure that the Astros will want to pay the money to keep him. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: WVastro on July 10, 2016, 08:35:41 pm
I've really liked Valbuena's defense at third. Could Gurriel play first?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: toddthebod on July 10, 2016, 08:38:17 pm
I haven't heard anything about Guriel playing first base.  I like Valbuena's defense at third as well.  But I don't think you want to risk having a player at first who has never done it before.  Valbuena has played first competently. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 10, 2016, 08:40:03 pm
Quote from: WVastro on July 10, 2016, 08:35:41 pm
I've really liked Valbuena's defense at third. Could Gurriel play first?

2B and 3B his only experience.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Lefty on July 10, 2016, 10:09:00 pm
Quote from: WVastro on July 10, 2016, 08:35:41 pm
I've really liked Valbuena's defense at third. Could Gurriel play first?

If you can play 3rd you can play first.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 10, 2016, 10:30:51 pm
Quote from: toddthebod on July 10, 2016, 08:38:17 pm
I haven't heard anything about Guriel playing first base.  I like Valbuena's defense at third as well.  But I don't think you want to risk having a player at first who has never done it before.  Valbuena has played first competently.

I would just as soon see them promote Bregman.  Demote Reed.  Move Valbuena to first and let Bregman have third.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 10, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 10, 2016, 10:30:51 pm
I would just as soon see them promote Bregman.  Demote Reed.  Move Valbuena to first and let Bregman have third.

You could still sign Gurriel in that scenario and use him as the DH for the rest of this season. Then put him at 3B and Bregman in LF next season.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 10, 2016, 11:33:35 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 10, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
You could still sign Gurriel in that scenario and use him as the DH for the rest of this season. Then put him at 3B and Bregman in LF next season.

Having now reread this thread all the assumptions about Gurriel are predicated on the presumption he can hit major league pitching.  That's a huge presumption for an org like Houston.  They can't absorb a bust for 4 years and big money.  If his workout wasn't terrific I'd expect the Astros to drop out.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: HudsonHawk on July 11, 2016, 06:47:07 am
Quote from: Lefty on July 10, 2016, 10:09:00 pm
If you can play 3rd you can play first.

If you can hit, you can play 1B. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on July 11, 2016, 08:34:48 am
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 10, 2016, 10:30:51 pm
I would just as soon see them promote Bregman.  Demote Reed.  Move Valbuena to first and let Bregman have third.

I'd rather demote Worth.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 11, 2016, 08:57:24 am
Quote from: MusicMan on July 11, 2016, 08:34:48 am
I'd rather demote Worth.

that would make more sense because Bregman plays the positions that Worth does.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on July 11, 2016, 12:22:01 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on July 11, 2016, 08:57:24 am
that would make more sense because Bregman plays the positions that Worth does.

Reed needs to play.  If Bregman is promoted there will not be enough at bats for him unless you plan on putting Marwin back into a backup roll and I don't see them doing that
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 11, 2016, 01:27:26 pm
Quote from: pots on July 11, 2016, 12:22:01 pm
Reed needs to play.  If Bregman is promoted there will not be enough at bats for him unless you plan on putting Marwin back into a backup roll and I don't see them doing that

We'll see.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Navin R Johnson on July 11, 2016, 04:16:29 pm
Is 3 of every 5 games adequate for Reed?  Cause that is easily doable with Bregman up.

4/5 days Bregman plays 3rd, 1/5 Valbuena plays.  1st, 2/5 Valbuena 1/5 Marwin, 2/5 Reed.  4/5 LF Rasmus, 1/5 Marwin. Catcher 3/5 Castro, 2/5 Gattis.  DH, 2/5 Gattis, 2/5 Reed, 1/5 Valbuena.

Bregman, 4/5. Valbuena, 4/5, Gattis, 4/5, Reed 3/5, Marwin 2/5.   
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on July 11, 2016, 06:30:49 pm
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 11, 2016, 04:16:29 pm
Is 3 of every 5 games adequate for Reed?  Cause that is easily doable with Bregman up.

4/5 days Bregman plays 3rd, 1/5 Valbuena plays.  1st, 2/5 Valbuena 1/5 Marwin, 2/5 Reed.  4/5 LF Rasmus, 1/5 Marwin. Catcher 3/5 Castro, 2/5 Gattis.  DH, 2/5 Gattis, 2/5 Reed, 1/5 Valbuena.

Bregman, 4/5. Valbuena, 4/5, Gattis, 4/5, Reed 3/5, Marwin 2/5.

Marwin has been almost an everyday player.  So basically you are demoting him and sitting one of your hottest players in Valbuena every 5th day.  Just to keep Reed on board. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on July 11, 2016, 06:49:34 pm
Marwin is really at his best as a super-utility guy. He's overexposed as an everyday starter, IMO.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on July 11, 2016, 06:58:46 pm
Quote from: Reuben on July 11, 2016, 06:49:34 pm
Marwin is really at his best as a super-utility guy. He's overexposed as an everyday starter, IMO.

Absolutely, although I do value that he is the one line drive hitter in the lineup.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Navin R Johnson on July 11, 2016, 07:54:58 pm
Quote from: pots on July 11, 2016, 06:30:49 pm
Marwin has been almost an everyday player.  So basically you are demoting him and sitting one of your hottest players in Valbuena every 5th day.  Just to keep Reed on board. 

Im not doing anything, just illustrating how starts could be distributed.  I also highly doubt Valbuena keeps up this pace. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: pots on July 11, 2016, 10:19:10 pm
Marwin's playing time will decrease even if they send Reed down.  If Bregman comes up, he'll be playing most everyday.  That means your infield is pretty much locked in on a daily basis.  Valbuena, Altuve, Correa and Bregman.  Marwin will catch a start on the infield here and there, ocasional start in left and DH on occasion.   Worth got 7 plate appearances all of July so far.  Replacing Worth with Bregman will not be easy.  Replacing Reed with Bregman is much easier to do.  If they do keep Reed and send Worth down, then Bregman's ABs likely come from Gattis and Marwin.  And I just don't think they will want to upset the apple cart that much but I could be wrong. 

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:18:12 pm
Accordingly to MLB app, Astros signed Gurriel on a 5 yr, $47mm deal


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:20:01 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:18:12 pm
Accordingly to MLB app, Astros signed Gurriel on a 5 yr, $47mm deal

Excellent!
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 03:20:09 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:18:12 pm
Accordingly to MLB app, Astros signed Gurriel on a 5 yr, $47mm deal


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 03:23:06 pm
If he can hit reasonably well and play 3b that sets up all sorts of possible roster altering scenarios.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:23:22 pm
Seems strange given bregman, valbuena, gonzalez...
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 03:27:15 pm
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:23:22 pm
Seems strange given bregman, valbuena, gonzalez...

If Bregman starts playing LF or CF for Fresno you'll have your answer.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on July 15, 2016, 03:28:14 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:18:12 pm
Accordingly to MLB app, Astros signed Gurriel on a 5 yr, $47mm deal


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:30:04 pm
I'm breathlessly awaiting apology letters to match the screeds that were posted again and again in the early days. It turns out, they perfectly executed the plan they stated from the beginning. Who would've fucking thought?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:33:07 pm
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:30:04 pm
I'm breathlessly awaiting apology letters to match the screeds that were posted again and again in the early days. It turns out, they perfectly executed the plan they stated from the beginning. Who would've fucking thought?

I am awaiting what comes next with the roster. This signing must be part of it.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:34:56 pm
That too.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 03:36:23 pm
Quote from: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:33:07 pm
I am awaiting what comes next with the roster. This signing must be part of it.

First he's got to get there.  He hasn't played in almost a year.  Some time in the minors should be next.  How he does there will be telling.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:37:24 pm
Package Bregman in a deal for Archer (or some other aggressive "win now" move)? Or wait a year to see how gurriel, Reed, Bregman perform? Should be interesting to see how it plays out.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:38:23 pm
Quote from: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:37:24 pm
Package Bregman in a deal for Archer (or some other aggressive "win now" move)? Or wait a year to see how gurriel, Reed, Bregman perform? Should be interesting to see how it plays out.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on July 15, 2016, 03:40:18 pm
Quote from: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:38:23 pm
Do not, repeat, do not trade Bregman.

Seconded. Especially because no one available is worth it.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:40:44 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on July 15, 2016, 03:40:18 pm
Seconded. Especially because no one available is worth it.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:41:02 pm
Quote from: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:38:23 pm
Do not, repeat, do not trade Bregman.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: hostros7 on July 15, 2016, 03:41:09 pm
I'm not advocating it, just throwing out a few hypotheticals. This team needs SP and there isn't a FA option next year so a trade would have to be the path to getting one


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:43:40 pm
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:40:44 pm
Would you move him for Sale?

Probably. He is Randy Johnson.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Not that many people are gonna care about this aspect with all the focus on the immediate effects on the major league roster, but I would think this puts the Astros as one of the frontrunners when it comes time to sign Yuriel's brother Lourdes in October.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JJxvi on July 15, 2016, 03:47:00 pm
Luhnow seems to have repeatedly floated the idea of Bregman to OF eventually, so I think maybe they have considered this option and keeping Bregman.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:48:16 pm
Could the intent be that he's the DH?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:50:54 pm
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 15, 2016, 03:48:16 pm
Could the intent be that he's the DH?

That's what I wrote above. You could still call Bregman up to play 3B this season and move him to left next year. Gurriel could play 3B in 2017.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:52:08 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:50:54 pm
That's what I wrote above. You could still call Bregman up to play 3B this season and move him to left next year. Gurriel could play 3B in 2017.

I love the roster building talented GMs do. This is going to be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Uncle Charlie on July 15, 2016, 03:52:22 pm
Wonder if there's a deal already in the works to clear space. Surely he'll play in the minors for part of July?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:53:13 pm
Quote from: Uncle Charlie on July 15, 2016, 03:52:22 pm
Wonder if there's a deal already in the works to clear space. Surely he'll play in the minors for part of July?

Yes.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: doyce7 on July 15, 2016, 03:55:20 pm
Quote from: Uncle Charlie on July 15, 2016, 03:52:22 pm
Wonder if there's a deal already in the works to clear space. Surely he'll play in the minors for part of July?
I imagine we'll see him in Houston around early to mid August

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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 15, 2016, 04:10:35 pm
Quote from: JimR on July 15, 2016, 03:38:23 pm
Do not, repeat, do not trade Bregman.

I agree.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 04:16:30 pm
Rosenthal reporting per his source the Astros plan to use Gurriel at 3B.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 04:18:52 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 04:16:30 pm
Rosenthal reporting per his source the Astros plan to use Gurriel at 3B.

Bregman to LF, I guess. Crowded OF right now.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: geezerdonk on July 15, 2016, 04:23:30 pm
Rasmus to center, Gomez to bench or Springer to center, Rasmus to right, Gomez to bench.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on July 15, 2016, 04:24:09 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on July 15, 2016, 04:23:30 pm
Rasmus to center, Gomez to bench or Springer to center, Rasmus to right, Gomez to bench.

This.  Or trade Gomez.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 04:25:57 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on July 15, 2016, 04:24:09 pm
This.  Or trade Gomez.

No way Gomez is benched full-time.  Trade maybe but unlikely.  Why would a team want him?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 04:30:10 pm
Front loaded deal...

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman  18 minutes ago
Gurriel deal with #astros is technically $47.5M for 4 1/2 years. 3.5M this year, then $14M, $12M, $10M and $8M
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 04:31:19 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 04:30:10 pm
Front loaded deal...

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman  18 minutes ago
Gurriel deal with #astros is technically $47.5M for 4 1/2 years. 3.5M this year, then $14M, $12M, $10M and $8M

Like Feldman that would make it a more attractive possible trade later in the deal when the player is older.  An attempt to pay for present value.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 04:31:55 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 04:31:19 pm
Like Feldman that would make it a more attractive possible trade later in the deal when the player is older.  An attempt to pay for present value.

Yep.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on July 15, 2016, 04:32:37 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 04:25:57 pm
No way Gomez is benched full-time.  Trade maybe but unlikely.  Why would a team want him?

Probably right.  I'm thinking of putting together a deal for Jimmy Nelson and throwing him in for fan appreciation there.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 15, 2016, 04:42:24 pm
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 15, 2016, 04:31:19 pm
Like Feldman that would make it a more attractive possible trade later in the deal when the player is older.  An attempt to pay for present value.

And to keep more in reserve as Altuve, Springer, Correa get more expensive.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: DVauthrin on July 15, 2016, 04:48:15 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on July 15, 2016, 04:24:09 pm
This.  Or trade Gomez.

Or Rasmus in CF vs RHP, and Gomez in CF vs LHP. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on July 15, 2016, 05:26:13 pm
Quote from: geezerdonk on July 15, 2016, 04:23:30 pm
Rasmus to center, Gomez to bench or Springer to center, Rasmus to right, Gomez to bench.

Gomez is not going to the bench. Trade him? Sure.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Lefty on July 15, 2016, 05:29:52 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Not that many people are gonna care about this aspect with all the focus on the immediate effects on the major league roster, but I would think this puts the Astros as one of the frontrunners when it comes time to sign Yuriel's brother Lourdes in October.
This guy from Fangraphs thinks so

https://twitter.com/marchulet/status/754060398769364993
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Wynnable on July 15, 2016, 06:11:43 pm
Sounds like Singleton, Moran, Tucker, Gomez, Feldman, Neshek, Fields ... lots of trade options ... though not sure those are the right pieces to pull off a front end of the rotation type of pitcher.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 15, 2016, 08:34:34 pm
Quote from: Lefty on July 15, 2016, 05:29:52 pm
This guy from Fangraphs thinks so

https://twitter.com/marchulet/status/754060398769364993

So, what do we know about Lourdes? Except that he is a 22 year old OFer and maybe the better prize?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 09:01:05 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on July 15, 2016, 08:34:34 pm
So, what do we know about Lourdes? Except that he is a 22 year old OFer and maybe the better prize?

BA gave him a young Ryan Zimmerman comp last year.

He also has played on the left side of the infield in addition to the more recent outfield experience.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on July 15, 2016, 09:12:03 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 09:01:05 pm
BA gave him a young Ryan Zimmerman comp last year.

He also has played on the left side of the infield in addition to the more recent outfield experience.

Doesn't sound like an OFer
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Fynn on July 15, 2016, 10:01:19 pm
McTaggart says Gurriel will probably play some left field as well as third.   If true, once Bregman comes up, filling out a roster will be even more challenging.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: austro on July 15, 2016, 10:12:16 pm
I assume that Gurriel hits right-handed?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Fynn on July 15, 2016, 10:18:24 pm
Quote from: austro on July 15, 2016, 10:12:16 pm
I assume that Gurriel hits right-handed?

I saw a couple of clips on you-tube.  What I saw was hitting as a righty.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 15, 2016, 10:25:18 pm
Quote from: austro on July 15, 2016, 10:12:16 pm
I assume that Gurriel hits right-handed?

Yes.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 16, 2016, 12:18:16 pm
Notes from the news conference:

A work visa still needs to be obtained for Gurriel.

Corpus may be his first minors destination as he works the kinks out, says Luhnow (though he'll head to the Florida ST complex prior to that).

Luhnow "optimistic" he'll be playing for the Astros in August (though from what I can infer he thinks three weeks from now might be a tad too optimistic).

Astros worked him out in the outfield as well.

GM also says they'll "make a run" at Lourdes (as if they haven't already, I suspect).

Matt Duffy has been DFA'd to make room on the 40-man.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Lefty on July 16, 2016, 12:51:43 pm
"He watched the team last year and part of the reason he's glad to be coming here is that spirit of the team. The spirit they bring is the spirit of playing great baseball. He feels proud to be part of that group & to be part of a great club, makes him very proud."

Also said his nickname is "El Yuli", which is spanish for "The Yuli".
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on July 16, 2016, 01:36:15 pm
Quote from: Lefty on July 16, 2016, 12:51:43 pm

Also said his nickname is "El Yuli", which is spanish for "The Yuli".

THE NEEEEEEEENYO!


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: das on July 16, 2016, 02:16:22 pm
Quote from: MusicMan on July 16, 2016, 01:36:15 pm
THE NEEEEEEEENYO!
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Best SNL skit ever.

I've loved Valbuena's defense and very productive bat over the last 2.5 months. Given his history, it's probably safe to assume he's on a hot streak and it's not reasonable that he'll keep it up indefinately. You gotta think his trade value is about as high as it can possibly be right now. I'd hate to see him go though. He's been a real treat to watch this year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 17, 2016, 11:49:27 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 16, 2016, 12:18:16 pm
Corpus may be his first minors destination as he works the kinks out, says Luhnow (though he'll head to the Florida ST complex prior to that).

FWIW, Gurriel has been added to the roster of the GCL club so perhaps he'll see some live game action with them while in Florida (once the work visa thing has been worked out) before moving on to the Hooks.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 22, 2016, 07:37:47 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 17, 2016, 11:49:27 pm
FWIW, Gurriel has been added to the roster of the GCL club so perhaps he'll see some live game action with them while in Florida (once the work visa thing has been worked out) before moving on to the Hooks.

"Once he obtains the work visa, Gurriel will likely play two or three games in the Gulf Coast League before he joins Class AA Corpus Christi for a brief stint. Around the middle of August appears a likely time frame for the 32-year-old's major league debut."

Link (http://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Yulieski-Gurriel-works-out-at-Astros-facility-in-8404142.php)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 22, 2016, 08:01:27 pm
If correct, that's a price that makes slightly more sense...

Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  12 minutes ago
Astros are staying busy on int'l market. Source: HOU inked SS Anibal Sierra, 22, for $1.5M. He signed under int'l signing guidelines.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 22, 2016, 08:53:35 pm
Yanio Perez is another one of those Cuban pop-up players, he's currently #10 on MLB.com's list of international prospects (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=int):

Quote
Perez has emerged as one of the most intriguing prospects on the market, and interest in the infielder has grown since he became eligible to sign May 20. Scouts like Perez's tools and his power potential. Some scouts question his athleticism and how he handles third base now, but nobody questions his raw power and developing bat tool. Perez, who has been praised for his makeup and maturity, is also expected to be an above-average runner. The Padres, Astros, Rockies, Reds and Rangers are among the teams that have been linked to Perez.

Hit .259/.335/.328 in the Cuban National Series in 2013-2014 as an 18/19 year-old. Currently 21 and thus subject to the international signing pools.


Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 23, 2016, 01:50:32 pm
Have updated this list for all the most recent signings. Dodgers have signed the most Cuban players over the period indicated with ten while the Astros are second having signed eight Cubans.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: jbm on July 23, 2016, 05:46:29 pm
I apologize for my ignorance, but this "penalty" for signing Sierra, is it just monetary, or does it prevent the Astros from international signings for the future?

Sorry if it is already discussed in here, but where does Sierra fit into the near future?  He's listed as a SS, he's 22 and he's worth a 1.5 mil bonus (plus more); therefore, I assume he's just not another signing.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 23, 2016, 05:59:36 pm
Quote from: jbm on July 23, 2016, 05:46:29 pm
I apologize for my ignorance, but this "penalty" for signing Sierra, is it just monetary, or does it prevent the Astros from international signings for the future?

Astros were already in the penalty for having exceeded their international signing pool (which was $2.2MM) by more than 15% due to the Freudis Nova, etc. signings. Other than the tax (which adds another $1.5MM to the cost to sign Sierra), no further penalty to the Astros.

Because they've exceeded their signing pool, the Astros are restricted from signing players for more than $300K for the next two years. However, with the new CBA coming into effect it's unclear just how those restrictions will transition over for the Astros and other clubs in the penalty.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: jbm on July 23, 2016, 06:07:31 pm
Thanks, so there might be other expensive signings this year, while they still can?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 23, 2016, 06:08:41 pm
Quote from: jbm on July 23, 2016, 06:07:31 pm
Thanks, so there might be other expensive signings this year, while they still can?

Yes.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on July 23, 2016, 06:38:08 pm
Quote from: jbm on July 23, 2016, 05:46:29 pm

Sorry if it is already discussed in here, but where does Sierra fit into the near future?  He's listed as a SS, he's 22 and he's worth a 1.5 mil bonus (plus more); therefore, I assume he's just not another signing.
I'm curious about this too. If the Astros do happen to trade Bregman, they will become very thin at SS except for a handful of A or lower guys (Arauz, the other Sierra, maybe Randy Cesar?). Perhaps Anibal could fill a gap at the upper levels.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: chuck on July 23, 2016, 06:56:31 pm
Quote from: Reuben on July 23, 2016, 06:38:08 pm
I'm curious about this too. If the Astros do happen to trade Bregman, they will become very thin at SS except for a handful of A or lower guys (Arauz, the other Sierra, maybe Randy Cesar?). Perhaps Anibal could fill a gap at the upper levels.

The good news is that at least half the Fresno roster has experience at short.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 23, 2016, 07:51:16 pm
Here's what Senior Scouting Advisor Charlie Gonzalez (who's been involved in all the Astros' Cuban signings) had to say about Sierra in today's press release (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/191274954/astros-sign-cuban-free-agent-shortstop-anibal-sierra/):

"Anibal stood out to me after my first look in November 2015 in the Dominican Republic. Offensively, Anibal has an aggressive hitting approach with a quick leveraged swing, high contact ability, and average to solid-average raw power. He is a Major League caliber shortstop defender with a polished defensive tool set, solid arm, easy footwork, plus lateral range, and advanced knowledge of the position. Overall, Anibal has shown strong tools both offensively and defensively as one of the top Cuban amateur position players I've seen this year."

PR also noted that Sierra will be reporting to the Astros DR complex.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 24, 2016, 12:20:24 am
Quote from: Reuben on July 23, 2016, 06:38:08 pm
...they will become very thin at SS except for a handful of A or lower guys (Arauz, the other Sierra, maybe Randy Cesar?).

Did you mean Osvaldo Duarte rather than Randy Cesar?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on July 24, 2016, 07:17:18 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 24, 2016, 12:20:24 am
Did you mean Osvaldo Duarte rather than Randy Cesar?
No, but I did forget about Duarte. Is Cesar not really a SS, or just in your eyes not really a prospect?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 24, 2016, 12:15:14 pm
Quote from: Reuben on July 24, 2016, 07:17:18 am
No, but I did forget about Duarte. Is Cesar not really a SS, or just in your eyes not really a prospect?

Not really a SS.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 25, 2016, 09:08:14 pm
The target date mentioned by Brownie on the broadcast tonight was the Cardinals series beginning Aug. 16...

Richard Justice ‏@richardjustice  9 hours ago
Astros hopeful Yulieski Gurriel will obtain work visa this week and be on track to make @MLB debut mid-August. Will play 3B/1B.

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 27, 2016, 05:48:19 pm
From Ben Badler (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/baseball-america-prospects-chat-10/#7fv5k3bCT7JlHqjW.97):

Q: Do you think Lourdes will join his brother on the Astros? What kind of contract wll he command, and can he play CF?

A: I don’t think so. Or, I should say, Lourdes Jr.’s signing will be completely independent of his brother’s, and I don’t see a great fit for Lourdes Jr. in Houston, although I suppose I didn’t see a great fit for Yulieski either, so who knows, but they’re not tied to each other. For me, Gurriel’s best defensive spot is at third base; he’s a more natural infielder than he is an outfielder, and while his speed did get a little bit better his final season in Cuba, I didn’t see the outfield instincts in left field that would make me believe he could play center.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on August 01, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
Updated for the Yordan Alvarez trade. Astros have now signed/acquired nine Cuban players in the last two years.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on August 01, 2016, 05:26:31 pm
Per various tweets, plan is now for Gurriel to go to Lancaster on Wednesday. Will "likely" head to CC after about a week (probably on the 9th when the Hooks return from a road trip).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on August 02, 2016, 05:27:32 pm
Quote from: astrosfan76 on April 29, 2016, 06:35:38 pm
In what will likely be his final time on the mound before he signs, 20-year-old Cuban righthander Vladimir Gutierrez showed mid-90s velocity Friday morning at an open showcase at the Phillies’ complex in Clearwater, Fla.

The Astros, who are planning to break their international bonus pool when the 2016-17 signing period opens on July 2, had the deepest crew of evaluators on hand, according to those in attendance. The Dodgers, who are over their current bonus pool, also had a strong presence at the event.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-dodgers-show-strong-presence-at-vladimir-gutierrez-showcase/#jOztSay8i5AMO5ru.99 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-dodgers-show-strong-presence-at-vladimir-gutierrez-showcase/#jOztSay8i5AMO5ru.99)

Still waiting for a team to bite on his asking price, the #3 rated international prospect (by MLB.com) Gutierrez has another workout scheduled in Miami on Aug. 17 (http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleball-news/murray-cuban-right-hander-vladimir-guttierez-to-hold-workout/).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on August 30, 2016, 05:52:47 pm
Pitcher Vladimir Gutierrez, who was heavily scouted by the Astros, signs with the Reds for $9.5MM (factoring in the penalty tax).

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 08, 2016, 10:19:04 pm
Lourdes Gurriel has a showcase scheduled for Sept. 14 in Panama City with allegedly "twenty or so" teams interested in him.

Link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/heymans-latest-white-sox-marlins-brewers-yankees-gurriel-saunders.html)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: HudsonHawk on September 08, 2016, 10:22:45 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on September 08, 2016, 10:19:04 pm
Lourdes Gurriel has a showcase scheduled for Sept. 14 in Panama City with allegedly "twenty or so" teams interested in him.

Link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/heymans-latest-white-sox-marlins-brewers-yankees-gurriel-saunders.html)

"Lourdes" is still a girl's name.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Lefty on September 08, 2016, 11:47:10 pm
Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 08, 2016, 10:22:45 pm
"Lourdes" is still a girl's name.

If I thought you watched South Park that would be even funnier
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on September 12, 2016, 10:07:17 am
Astros sign 20-year old LHP Cionel Perez (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/astros-to-sign-cuban-left-hander-cionel-perez.html)

He is classified as an int'l amateur, mean ing their  $5.15M signing bonus will have a 100% tax, thus continuing to prove that Crane is a cheapskate 'neck.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MrKnuckleball on September 12, 2016, 11:41:58 am
Quote from: MusicMan on September 12, 2016, 10:07:17 am
Astros sign 20-year old LHP Cionel Perez (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/astros-to-sign-cuban-left-hander-cionel-perez.html)

He is classified as an int'l amateur, mean ing their  $5.15M signing bonus will have a 100% tax, thus continuing to prove that Crane is a cheapskate 'neck.
Comparisons to Hamels when he was at this stage, interesting.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 12, 2016, 12:59:44 pm
With the inking of Perez, that makes ten Cuban players signed/acquired by the Astros in the last two years.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 12, 2016, 08:39:53 pm
Quote from: MrKnuckleball on September 12, 2016, 11:41:58 am
Comparisons to Hamels when he was at this stage, interesting.

Those kinda comps always make me cringe a bit but for those who might have missed the mlb.com article (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/200905922/astros-agree-with-cuban-prospect-cionel-perez/):

"...the 5-foot-11, 170-pounder has drawn some comparisons to Rangers lefty Cole Hamels when Hamels was at a similar stage in his development. Evaluators like Perez's athletic body, to which he has added about 25 pounds since leaving Cuba in May 2015. Perez's fastball sits 92-95 mph, with projections he could at some point hover between 94-97. He also throws a slider and changeup. He has the ceiling of a mid-rotation starter and the floor of a hard-throwing reliever."

For comparison, here's Ben Badler's take (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-agree-sign-cuban-pitcher-cionel-perez/#CGJ8ZEDTLCEAkZw5.97) on Perez.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 14, 2016, 06:56:10 pm
From today's report (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/201348194/lourdes-gurriel-jr-on-display-at-showcase/?topicid=151437456) on the showcase:

"During the two-hour workout, Lourdes Jr. fielded balls and turned double plays at shortstop in front of 60 scouts. He then shifted to the outfield for fly balls and throws from center field. The workout included four rounds of batting practice and two more rounds of live pitching. Gurriel ran the 60-yard dash in 6.65 seconds. Scouts in attendance were impressed with Gurriel's physique and overall strength. They also noted good arm strength on defense. However, there is a belief is that he could use more at-bats against live pitching."

Also says he'll begin private workouts for teams soon.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on September 14, 2016, 11:16:11 pm
I hope he is a lock for us.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on September 15, 2016, 11:25:15 am
Quote from: JimR on September 14, 2016, 11:16:11 pm
I hope he is a lock for us.

And I hope he can hit like his brother. That guy is a line drive machine.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: geezerdonk on September 15, 2016, 03:16:44 pm
Yuli lost his eski. Will Lou lose his rdes?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on September 22, 2016, 04:56:42 pm
A couple of signings in the past day or so, neither of which involved the Astros. The other Gurriel and pitcher Norge Ruiz are the few remaining prizes in the pool of unsigned Cubans (absent a pop-up guy or a re-stocking by others leaving the island).

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on October 26, 2016, 04:29:48 pm
Eric Longenhagen ‏@longenhagen  53 minutes ago
Multiple sources telling me that Houston has voided their deal with Cuban pitching prospect Cionel Perez.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Mike S. on October 26, 2016, 06:33:59 pm
Yikes.  Wonder what that is all about, if true?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on October 26, 2016, 06:49:25 pm
Quote from: Mike S. on October 26, 2016, 06:33:59 pm
Yikes.  Wonder what that is all about, if true?

I'd be surprised if it was anything other than a failed physical.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: The Third Man on October 27, 2016, 01:17:49 am
Voided now? The player was signed in September. They are just getting around to the physical? I am not willing to give this owner the benefit of the doubt where payroll is concerned.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Mike S. on October 27, 2016, 11:47:41 am
Who knows?  Does appear to be a medical issue, though:

https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/791471237369397249

McTaggert provides some further context:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/207240288/astros-void-deal-with-cuban-arm-cionel-perez/
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on October 27, 2016, 12:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Third Man on October 27, 2016, 01:17:49 am
I am not willing to give this owner the benefit of the doubt where payroll is concerned.

?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on October 27, 2016, 05:15:15 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on October 27, 2016, 12:18:40 pm
?

Crane is cheap, don't you know?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: das on November 01, 2016, 07:14:18 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on October 27, 2016, 05:15:15 pm
Crane is cheap, don't you know?

Right?  That type of unsupported bashing is tiresome and pedantic.  Unless it's FTC.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on November 11, 2016, 12:37:01 pm
Lil Gurriel to Jays (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/797136277954969600)  7 years, $22 million.  Seems like a bargain.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 12, 2016, 06:54:02 am
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on November 11, 2016, 12:37:01 pm
Lil Gurriel to Jays (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/797136277954969600)  7 years, $22 million.  Seems like a bargain.

That's less than half of what I expected.  Wow.  Is there something we don't know?
Title: Lourdes Signing
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 12, 2016, 03:02:21 pm
Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 12, 2016, 06:54:02 am
That's less than half of what I expected.  Wow.  Is there something we don't know?

A bit less than I expected as well. The only thing I can think of is that beginning with the Rusney Castillo/Yasmany Tomas/Hector Olivera deals, teams began overvaluing the Cuban market and have been overpaying. All three of those guys received $60MM+ contracts and all are considered major flops. Although it didn't impact Yuli from getting a nice chunk of change (at least he unlike Lourdes was considered major league-ready), perhaps with this signing there's finally an indication of a market correction.

MLBTR also points out the some Cuban signees have a provision in their contracts that allows an opt-out into arbitration once they reach the requisite service time. If Lourdes has a similar clause in his deal, the $22MM becomes a floor and he'll be able to earn more in the latter years of arb eligibility.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: roadrunner on November 13, 2016, 05:55:03 pm
I expect the noise about Shohei Otani to get louder in the Spring during the World Baseball Classic.  This guy deserves Bryce Harper-like hype.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/208585722/mlb-waiting-for-posting-of-shohei-otani/
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 13, 2016, 06:22:56 pm
Quote from: roadrunner on November 13, 2016, 05:55:03 pm
I expect the noise about Shohei Otani to get louder in the Spring during the World Baseball Classic.  This guy deserves Bryce Harper-like hype.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/208585722/mlb-waiting-for-posting-of-shohei-otani/

Cabrera'd. (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=118939.msg563920#msg563920)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on November 18, 2016, 04:06:03 pm
Jeff Passan (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/the-ugly-awful-violent-big-dollar-world-of-illegally-smuggling-cuban-baseball-players-183453337.html): based on court records, 17 Cuban players paid a group of human smugglers a total of $8,888,644 (the gov't believes the eventual amount to have exceeded $15MM). Among the players listed were Jose Abreu, Leonys Martin, Adeiny Hechavarria and Dalier Hinojosa. Abreu alone apparently paid $6.4MM.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Duman on November 19, 2016, 07:19:51 am
Wild theory here but I wonder if one of the reasons the price for Cuban players is dropping is they are not having to "reimburse" smuggling fees. 

I am sure the main reason is the bloom is off the rose but just got me thinking.  Always a dangerous thing.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: astrosfan76 on December 09, 2016, 08:57:00 am
Quote
Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 25m25 minutes ago

Source: Astros have signed Cuban LHP Cionel Perez, #4 on @MLB Top 30 Prospects list, to a $2M deal. @MLBPipeline

Astros get their man, anyway.  Whatever the issue was, it obviously wasn't a deal breaker.  Could just be structural concerns that raised flags about him. 
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 09, 2016, 10:48:56 am
Just fixing this table for the revised signing bonus on Perez.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned-bonus pool tax:

Unsigned-exempt:
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on December 09, 2016, 10:59:33 am
Quote from: astrosfan76 on December 09, 2016, 08:57:00 am
Astros get their man, anyway.  Whatever the issue was, it obviously wasn't a deal breaker.  Could just be structural concerns that raised flags about him. 

New CBA may also have encouraged them to take the chance before the new international hard cap is in place.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 09, 2016, 11:06:54 am
Quote from: MusicMan on December 09, 2016, 10:59:33 am
New CBA may also have encouraged them to take the chance before the new international hard cap is in place.

Did the signing have to take place in this signing period rather than the next one (beginning July 2nd)? Yes, but that's because the the Astros were already in the penalty box and would have been restricted to paying him (or anyone) $300K come the next two signing periods. The hard cap really doesn't enter into it.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 09, 2016, 05:32:44 pm
Perez and his agent obviously weren't happy about the situation and issued a statement today that Jesse Sanchez reported on in his article (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/210793228/astros-cuban-lefty-cionel-perez-agree-to-deal/?topicid=151437456):

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According to the statement from Perez, he is signing with the Astros now because he has a responsibility to provide for his family, and it would be irresponsible for him to put his family at further risk while "waiting for the conflicting language of the [Collective Bargaining Agreement] to be clarified between the players union and MLB." Perez said that he has no discomfort or current injury that led to the $3.15 million reduction in his deal, and that he had more lucrative offers from other clubs, specifically the Padres and Orioles. The statement correctly notes that the Astros are required to subject him to the Rule 5 Draft if the club does not put him on the 40-man roster after signing him for the second time. In the end, the likelihood of getting a spot on Houston's 40-man tipped the scales toward the Astros. An MLB official said a player cannot use the aforementioned rule as a way to get out of the international bonus pool eligibility.

I'm not sure about the CBA provision in dispute, but the Rule 5 draft provision being referred to is this one:

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4. Any player on a minor league reserve list who has either been released or had his contract voided and then re-signs with the same MLB organization within one year is eligible for selection.

Link (http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3517)

Thus, Perez will be eligible for the 2017 Rule 5 draft unless protected on the 40-man roster which means that Houston will have to add him prior to December of next year.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Duman on December 13, 2016, 09:12:06 am
BA had a very lengthy article on it last night.  (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cionel-perez-voices-frustration-signing-astros/#O7QlDf8U1gyerjxM.97) Does a good job of telling all sides of the story.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 13, 2016, 10:15:19 pm
The Padres feasting in the Cuban market continues, with the inking of Michael Baez bringing dollars spent on those players in the current signing period to $46.5MM.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component and signing bonus that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on December 23, 2016, 01:10:48 pm
The A's and Padres (again!) with a couple of signings in recent days...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

*since released
**plus a partial year component and signing bonus that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on January 14, 2017, 11:39:30 am
Just noting a couple of recent minor signings by the Dodgers and Rangers...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 11, 2017, 05:08:57 pm
Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB  2 hours ago
Cuban LHP Osvaldo Hernandez, 18, declared FA & can sign. He's 92-94 mph. List of teams interested include SD, CIN, HOU, NYM, ATL, TEX, BOS.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on February 25, 2017, 01:56:16 pm
Notes on some eligible (or soon to be eligible) Cuban players...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned

Some eyebrow-raising quotes in this recent article on Luis Robert (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/216971522/cuban-luis-robert-top-international-prospect/?topicid=151437456) by Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com:

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How good is Robert? One American League international scouting director described Robert as "the best player on the planet, and that's no exaggeration."

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"[Japan's] Shohei Ohtani is the best international player out there and he's a different animal because he would be the ace of a staff and he can hit," one National League international scouting director said. "But Robert is up there. He's a five-tool guy that can be in the big leagues soon. He has to be No. 2 behind Ohtani. He's that good."

As noted in the article, Robert would need to be cleared to sign by June 15 or the Astros (among others) would not be eligible to sign him given the penalties going into effect July 2 which limits the club to signing players for no more than $300K. Also critical from Robert's standpoint as those hard cap rules on international signings go into effect on July 2 as well which could dramatically limit the size of his bonus.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 01, 2017, 01:27:43 pm
Ben Badler of BA with his take on the Luis Robert derby (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/timing-key-cuban-outfielder-luis-robert/#wcPdYHDKT2y9LzsJ.97):

Robert has submitted all his paperwork to the commissioner’s office already. Based on the timetable of when that happened and the recent pace of MLB clearing Cuban players, it seems likely that Robert will be able to sign before the 2016-17 international signing period closes on June 15. Most of the teams with the best chance to sign Robert are the ones that have already exceeded their pools. The Padres and Cardinals are drawing the most attention. The Astros could be in the mix. The Braves, Reds, Nationals and Athletics are also over their bonus pools. The team that comes up the most in discussions of where Robert might land, however, is the White Sox.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 06, 2017, 08:43:45 pm
Not a surprise if you've been following reports elsewhere (such as the trial in Miami that Jose Abreu and others have been testifying at), but Lourdes Gurriel (and presumably Yulieski) is paying millions to his smugglers (https://theathletic.com/42192/2017/03/06/into-the-woods-how-lourdes-gurriel-jr-escaped-on-his-zig-zag-journey-from-cuba-to-the-blue-jays/).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 13, 2017, 12:05:31 pm
Although the Astros were mentioned earlier as having a possible interest, the Padres plunk down $5MM for 18-year old pitcher Osvaldo Hernandez and have now spent $80MM (holy shit!!!) in the current signing period on Cubans and other int'l players...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2017, 05:13:12 pm
The Cardinals, Astros, Reds, Padres and Athletics all had high-ranking team officials in attendance. Those teams have already exceeded their 2016-17 international bonus pools. The White Sox, who are not over their 2016-17 pool yet, have also been linked as a possible landing spot for Robert and had special assistant Marco Paddy there. The Astros and White Sox both have separate private workouts scheduled with Robert next week.

Ben Badler on the Luis Robert showcase (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/luis-robert-draws-big-crowd-first-showcase/#eDr5yrJU8REkVJDJ.97)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Duman on March 30, 2017, 08:09:53 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2017, 05:13:12 pm
The Cardinals, Astros, Reds, Padres and Athletics all had high-ranking team officials in attendance. Those teams have already exceeded their 2016-17 international bonus pools. The White Sox, who are not over their 2016-17 pool yet, have also been linked as a possible landing spot for Robert and had special assistant Marco Paddy there. The Astros and White Sox both have separate private workouts scheduled with Robert next week.

Ben Badler on the Luis Robert showcase (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/luis-robert-draws-big-crowd-first-showcase/#eDr5yrJU8REkVJDJ.97)

Astros sign and then use as part of a trade with the Whitesox?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2017, 08:12:44 pm
Quote from: Duman on March 30, 2017, 08:09:53 pm
Astros sign and then use as part of a trade with the Whitesox?

AKA the Yordan Alvarez flip.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on March 31, 2017, 08:16:40 am
Quote from: Nate Colbert on March 30, 2017, 08:12:44 pm
AKA the Yordan Alvarez flip.
Except this would be more like the Yoan Moncada flip - spend $60m or so in signing bonus/penalty, then reap none of the benefits of the player you splurged on. It also would entirely negate the appealing "savings" of Quintana's below-market contract. I think the only reason the Red Sox/Dombrowski gave up Moncada is because a different GM had signed him. And, y'know, because they're filthy fucking rich, too.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 08, 2017, 06:56:44 pm
Ken Rosenthal sez (per MLBTR (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/04/rosenthals-latest-yankees-rockies-l-robert-orioles-mariners.html)):

The White Sox, Astros, Padres, Reds and Cardinals are the teams with the most interest in highly touted outfield prospect Luis Robert...
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 12, 2017, 10:14:57 pm
The Astros have signed Cuban pitcher Jesus Balaguer. The 23-year old pitched in the CNS as a reliever from 2012-2014 where he had some major control problems (59 walks in 68.2 IP).

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 18, 2017, 04:54:30 pm
Latest on Luis Robert: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/updates-cuban-outfielder-luis-robert/#MDB7juv6shD6lYdF.97)

Quote
While nothing is finalized or certain yet, indications are that Major League Baseball will likely clear Robert to sign during the current 2016-17 signing period, which closes on June 15.

Quote
On the field, Robert had a private workout with the Astros at their complex in the Dominican Republic, where he hit a home run against live pitching. After that, Robert postponed workouts with other clubs, with Robert’s camp informing those teams that Robert had come down with the flu.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: das on April 19, 2017, 12:57:29 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on April 18, 2017, 04:54:30 pm
Latest on Luis Robert: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/updates-cuban-outfielder-luis-robert/#MDB7juv6shD6lYdF.97)

That's interesting. Is that code for:  he's made his decision?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2017, 01:57:45 pm
Quote from: das on April 19, 2017, 12:57:29 pm
That's interesting. Is that code for:  he's made his decision?

It is somewhat reminiscent of international prospects who suddenly disappear from the showcase circuit in the Dominican after agreeing on verbal deals with a particular team. Certainly it'll be interesting to see if he attends the upcoming workouts with the A's and Reds on Friday and next week.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on April 19, 2017, 02:16:06 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2017, 01:57:45 pm
It is somewhat reminiscent of international prospects who suddenly disappear from the showcase circuit in the Dominican after agreeing on verbal deals with a particular team. Certainly it'll be interesting to see if he attends the upcoming workouts with the A's and Reds on Friday and next week.
Has he already worked out for the WhiSox? That's who keeps getting mentioned as the favorites.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2017, 02:20:08 pm
Quote from: Reuben on April 19, 2017, 02:16:06 pm
Has he already worked out for the WhiSox?

That BA article Badler wrote (and linked to above) says: "The White Sox, Padres and Cardinals are among the other teams also expected to hold individual workouts with Robert."

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That's who keeps getting mentioned as the favorites.

Badler made that statement back on March 2. Unless I missed something (always possible), I haven't seen him repeat that since nor did he do so in yesterday's article. And Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com (who besides Badler is the other recognized expert on international signings), reported on Luis Robert last Friday for MLB Network and did not mention the White Sox or any other team as favorites.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: MusicMan on April 20, 2017, 11:08:54 am
Rosenthal reports Robert has been cleared to sign, allowing teams to sign him before next year's hard cap.


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Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 20, 2017, 12:34:30 pm
Jesse Sanchez @JesseSanchezMLB  44 minutes ago
Source: Cuban OF prospect Luis Robert, 19, was declared a free agent today but will not be eligible to sign until May 20.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on April 28, 2017, 12:06:09 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on April 19, 2017, 01:57:45 pm
It is somewhat reminiscent of international prospects who suddenly disappear from the showcase circuit in the Dominican after agreeing on verbal deals with a particular team. Certainly it'll be interesting to see if he attends the upcoming workouts with the A's and Reds on Friday and next week.

Ben Badler said he did attend those private workouts with three more scheduled in the next few weeks (Cardinals, Padres, White Sox) plus another likely open showcase.

Link (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/new-update-cuban-outfielder-luis-robert/#IFGhXUooQD1CF8ps.97)

Also, Heyman yesterday reported "someone" saying Robert has a $25MM offer already on the table.

Link (https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-al-notes-orioles-rotation-continues-surprise/)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 08, 2017, 01:06:38 pm
With less than 2 weeks until he becomes eligible to sign (May 20), the Astros, Reds, Athletics, Cardinals, Padres and White Sox have now all had their private showcases with Luis Robert notes Ben Badler (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/latest-news-luis-robert/#rsIMiwlbP8c50Wzi.97).
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 12, 2017, 08:42:39 pm
FWIW (from the Klawchat yesterday (http://meadowparty.com/blog/2017/05/11/klawchat-51117/)):

Alex : Who do you think Robert signs with? Think he will have an unofficial deal in place before 20th?

Keith Law: I’ve heard Cardinals, and I’ve heard Astros, but I really don’t have any inside info.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 18, 2017, 04:03:38 pm
From previously-linked to Heyman column today:

If the latter report(s) is anywhere near true, then you're talking a $40-50MM total cost for Robert given the tax.


ETA:
Ben Badler thinks (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/favorites-luis-robert/#0Q77W7BEdYc2J1EP.97) the Cardinals and White Sox are the favorites at this point.

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on May 18, 2017, 07:15:32 pm
So the whole world will find out the sweepstakes winner on Saturday, is that how's it's gonna work? Will he have a whole TV special about it like LeBron?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 18, 2017, 11:29:32 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on May 18, 2017, 04:03:38 pm
Ben Badler thinks (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/favorites-luis-robert/#0Q77W7BEdYc2J1EP.97) the Cardinals and White Sox are the favorites at this point.

So does Passan. (https://sports.yahoo.com/news/end-cuban-revolution-coming-soon-luis-roberts-signing-014518825.html)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 20, 2017, 02:08:43 pm
Ken Rosenthal  @Ken_Rosenthal 2m ago
Sources: #WhiteSox closing in on Luis Robert. Deal expected to be more than $25M.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on May 21, 2017, 01:05:29 pm
That's not chump change ($50-60m including penalties), but something the Astros could easily afford if they really thought this kid was a superstar.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on May 21, 2017, 02:19:06 pm
Luhnow is really high on the 1B prospect Alvarez. Raved about him on radio pre-game today. Thinks he could become really big-time hitter with power.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on May 21, 2017, 03:42:23 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on May 21, 2017, 02:19:06 pm
Luhnow is really high on the 1B prospect Alvarez. Raved about him on radio pre-game today. Thinks he could become really big-time hitter with power.

Said he was kept back at EST to start the year before moving on to QC in order to work on lower body conditioning.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 27, 2017, 03:38:47 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on May 20, 2017, 02:08:43 pm
Ken Rosenthal  @Ken_Rosenthal 2m ago
Sources: #WhiteSox closing in on Luis Robert. Deal expected to be more than $25M.

Done deal. $26 Million. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/232734588/white-sox-sign-cuban-outfielder-luis-robert/
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 02:44:22 pm
Astros sign 20-year old RHP Elian Rodriguez for $2MM (a total of $4MM including the tax).

"Rodriguez has topped out at 97 mph, sitting in the low-to-mid 90s in short stints at workouts. Rodriguez throws two breaking balls, including a hard slider that’s his best secondary pitch at 84-88 mph and can miss bats, along with a solid upper-70s curveball and a mid-80s changeup that he hasn’t used much yet. While his command has been scattered at times, he did shown some signs of improvement with his strike-throwing at recent workouts."

Link (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-reach-2-million-agreement-cuban-pitcher-elian-rodriguez/#1v2L14SpsUDla92T.97)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: juliogotay on June 06, 2017, 02:55:44 pm
Quote from: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 02:44:22 pm
Astros sign 20-year old LHP Elian Rodriguez for $2MM (a total of $4MM including the tax).

"Rodriguez has topped out at 97 mph, sitting in the low-to-mid 90s in short stints at workouts. Rodriguez throws two breaking balls, including a hard slider that’s his best secondary pitch at 84-88 mph and can miss bats, along with a solid upper-70s curveball and a mid-80s changeup that he hasn’t used much yet. While his command has been scattered at times, he did shown some signs of improvement with his strike-throwing at recent workouts."

Link (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/astros-reach-2-million-agreement-cuban-pitcher-elian-rodriguez/#1v2L14SpsUDla92T.97)

Am wondering if having Gurriel on team helps with signing Cuban youngsters. Gurriel being a BFD in Cuba.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 03:15:51 pm
Updating this for the most recent signings...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Unsigned

*Astros reportedly have interest in him (according to Jon Heyman back on May 25, but the more reliable Ben Badler and Jesse Sanchez have said nothing on this)
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: BlownRanger on June 06, 2017, 04:11:29 pm
I believe Elian is right handed.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 04:16:09 pm
Quote from: BlownRanger on June 06, 2017, 04:11:29 pm
I believe Elian is right handed.

That's what I though too but the original draft of the Badler article had him as a lefty. That article has since been updated to reflect the correct handedness. Previous posts adjusted accordingly.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 07:00:20 pm
Quote from: juliogotay on June 06, 2017, 02:55:44 pm
Am wondering if having Gurriel on team helps with signing Cuban youngsters. Gurriel being a BFD in Cuba.

Perhaps, but that Cuban pipeline certainly predates Gurriel. Luhnow and senior scouting advisor Charlie Gonzalez (who's based out of Miami) had already signed six Cuban players in 2015-2016 prior to the inking of Gurriel. And the Cuban connection for Luhnow/Gonzalez even goes back to their Cardinal days together with at least one Cuban player (a guy by the name of Ryde Rodriguez) signed in the 2007-2011 period.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 06, 2017, 10:53:03 pm
And the Reds sign the shortstop that Heyman said the Astros had some interest in for a total cost of around $10MM...

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing

Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 07, 2017, 12:47:13 pm
Another inking of a Cuban player (this time by the Cardinals) as teams rush to finalize their acquisitions by the end of the current signing period on June 15 before the new hard cap rules come into effect and/or teams go into the penalty effective July 2 when the 2017-2018 signing period begins:

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 10, 2017, 07:51:38 pm
One of the players signed by the Astros last year has been released. 1B/OF Norberto Castellanos was signed for a $75K bonus and only saw action in the DSL, hitting just .172 in 25 games.

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Reuben on June 10, 2017, 09:54:02 pm
I guess Norberto isn't the best Castellanos in professional baseball.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on June 12, 2017, 06:20:46 pm
Quote from: Reuben on June 10, 2017, 09:54:02 pm
I guess Norberto isn't the best Castellanos in professional baseball.
But he probably is the best Norberto.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on June 15, 2017, 04:56:05 pm
The final signing bonus (before tax) for Elian Rodriguez was $1.9MM rather than the $2MM as previously reported. Oz Ocampo had this to say today in the PR (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/236685310/astros-sign-cuban-free-agent-pitcher-elian-rodriguez/) on the 20-year old 6'4" 205 lb Rodriguez:

"From seeing Elian Rodriguez in multiple game situations, what stands out the most is his combination of athleticism, power stuff, and overall pitchability and command. Elian is physical, athletic, and projectable with an impressive repertoire, including a 92-97 mph fastball and two power breaking balls. Elian also demonstrates a strong work ethic, aptitude and intelligence to improve in all areas of his game. Elian has all the attributes to develop into a power starter at the Major League level, and we are excited to bring him into the Astros system."

Senior Scouting Advisor Charlie Gonzalez was also quoted in the release:

"Elian is a right handed starter with an electric arm and a very high ceiling. He is still getting a feel for game situations and developing his pitchability, so pitching in a professional environment will help him blossom. The combination of his youth, delivery, and physicality makes for an exciting projection and a potential elite power arm."

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: JimR on June 15, 2017, 06:45:21 pm
Pitchability?
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Knoxbanedoodle on June 16, 2017, 09:14:17 am
Quote from: JimR on June 15, 2017, 06:45:21 pm
Pitchability?

Yes, indicating that the pitcher himself can be thrown for a strike in virtually any count.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Andyzipp on June 16, 2017, 09:30:38 am
Quote from: JimR on June 15, 2017, 06:45:21 pm
Pitchability?

I believe that is nonsensical moron for "ability to pitch".
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: austro on June 16, 2017, 06:58:21 pm
Quote from: Andyzipp on June 16, 2017, 09:30:38 am
I believe that is nonsensical moron for "ability to pitch".

You have to have good pitchability if you're going to get some of those hitterish guys out.
Title: Re: Yoan Moncada and other Cuban prospects currently unsigned
Post by: Nate Colbert on July 02, 2017, 11:43:34 am
Per Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com, Astros signed young Cuban shortstop for $300K. No indication he ever played in the CNS (he did play on Cuba's 16U World Cup team in 2015).

Signed (2010-2014):

Signed (2015):

Signed (2016):

Signed (2017):

*since released
**plus a partial year component for 2016 that brought the total contract to $47.5MM
***traded to Astros two months after signing