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Title: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 20, 2013, 03:06:23 pm
Getting started early, a number of Texans missed practice today (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/11/texans-watt-hopkins-miss-practice/?cmpid=hpbn), including Watt, Hopkins and Jackson.  On Sunday, seeing Watt wander off the field and Schaub wander on to it prompted me to Facebook my concern that this may be rock bottom for the Texans.

Here's the thing:  beating the Jags should be a foregone conclusion; but losing to them probably puts Kubiak on the street.  Hmmmm...
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 20, 2013, 03:17:42 pm
Here's the thing:  beating the Jags should be a foregone conclusion; but losing to them probably puts Kubiak on the street.  Hmmmm...

I'm not sure why anyone would think that.  How are the Texans not the worst team in the league?
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 20, 2013, 03:22:48 pm
I'm not sure why anyone would think that.  How are the Texans not the worst team in the league?

I haven't watched the Jags yet this year.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 20, 2013, 04:51:36 pm
I won't be shocked if the Texans win but I will be surprised.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 20, 2013, 05:06:07 pm
I'm not sure why anyone would think that.  How are the Texans not the worst team in the league?

They have a one game lead so far. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 20, 2013, 05:10:58 pm
They have a one game lead so far. 

Well, they still have to play each other twice.  The Texans may win, but I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that they will.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 20, 2013, 05:17:05 pm
Well, they still have to play each other twice.  The Texans may win, but I think it's far from a foregone conclusion that they will.

I don't know why anybody would expect them to. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: austro on November 20, 2013, 08:40:14 pm
Getting started early, a number of Texans missed practice today (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/11/texans-watt-hopkins-miss-practice/?cmpid=hpbn), including Watt, Hopkins and Jackson.  On Sunday, seeing Watt wander off the field and Schaub wander on to it prompted me to Facebook my concern that this may be rock bottom for the Texans.

Hopkins is just practicing the disappearing act he pulled on Sunday.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2013, 06:26:45 am
Hopkins is just practicing the disappearing act he pulled on Sunday.

He didn't disappear, Kubiak benched him.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 21, 2013, 08:24:02 am
He didn't disappear, Kubiak benched him.

Because with a lead and running back like Foster you want to just pound the ball and run the clock.  

Eh?  Oh.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2013, 09:32:40 am
Because with a lead and running back like Foster you want to just pound the ball and run the clock.  

Eh?  Oh.


Kubiak said Hopkins "made some mistakes" early in the game, so Kubiak benched him.  Hopkins "disappeared" the same way Keenum "disappeared in the 4th quarter".
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 21, 2013, 10:01:30 am

Kubiak said Hopkins "made some mistakes" early in the game, so Kubiak benched him.  Hopkins "disappeared" the same way Keenum "disappeared in the 4th quarter".

The moronic thing is how quickly Hopkins and Keenum get benched, yet "established" players (and coaches) get to go out and stink it up every week, for years, and they're just fine.

Kubiak is a menace.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Randy Watson on November 21, 2013, 03:31:31 pm
The moronic thing is how quickly Hopkins and Keenum get benched, yet "established" players (and coaches) get to go out and stink it up every week, for years, and they're just fine.

Kubiak is a menace.

Yep.  Why wasn't Marciano benched years ago?
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: BUWebguy on November 22, 2013, 02:21:04 pm
Someone on Twitter noted that if the Jaguars win, they'd move out of last place in the division, but somehow still be in line for the first overall pick because of NFL rules. Is that right? How would that work?
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 22, 2013, 02:28:16 pm
Tie breaker is
Someone on Twitter noted that if the Jaguars win, they'd move out of last place in the division, but somehow still be in line for the first overall pick because of NFL rules. Is that right? How would that work?

-Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice.
-The next tie breaker would be record against conference opponents and then divisional opponents.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 22, 2013, 02:42:19 pm
Someone on Twitter noted that if the Jaguars win, they'd move out of last place in the division, but somehow still be in line for the first overall pick because of NFL rules. Is that right? How would that work?

Before that can happen, they have to beat the Falcons in the race to the bottom.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 24, 2013, 01:03:55 pm
Texans are making the Jaguars look like the Monsters of the Midway and the Doomsday Defense all rolled into one.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: MusicMan on November 24, 2013, 02:01:43 pm
We are quickly approaching "Could Bama or FSU beat the Texans?" territory.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 24, 2013, 02:30:48 pm
They just announced the "Play of the Game" text vote.  I'm going with the Martin fair catch in the 2nd quarter. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 02:33:13 pm
They just announced the "Play of the Game" text vote.  I'm going with the Martin fair catch in the 2nd quarter. 

The Texans have not been flagged on special teams today. That has to be some kind of record.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 24, 2013, 02:34:44 pm
The Texans have not been flagged on special teams today. That has to be some kind of record.

Oops.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 02:35:33 pm
AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHA, HAAAAAAAAAAA, AHHHHH.

Fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 24, 2013, 02:38:27 pm
AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHA, HAAAAAAAAAAA, AHHHHH.

Fucking idiots.

It was the double whammy. Bringing the ball out of the endzone for no reason to the 15 plus holding. Classic.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 02:40:11 pm
It was the double whammy. Bringing the ball out of the endzone for no reason to the 15 plus holding. Classic.

The former is a given. The latter is simply something they do from time to time because they apparently enjoy it.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 02:46:24 pm
The Texans were 10.5 point favorites. Let that sink in for a minute. I was joking with someone earlier in the week saying they might not score ten points.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: BizidyDizidy on November 24, 2013, 02:48:08 pm
So who do they take with the first pick?
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: austro on November 24, 2013, 02:52:44 pm
Congratulations, McNair. You are officially the owner of the worst team in the NFL.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 24, 2013, 02:55:38 pm
what a thrilling three hours of my life
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 02:57:11 pm
Congratulations, McNair. You are officially the owner of the worst team in the NFL.

For at least the third time in just over ten years. I would love for one of the nutless dickwads who pass themselves off as journalists in Houston ask him how much of the franchise's colossal ineptitude is his fault. I would seriously love to know what he thinks.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 24, 2013, 04:41:28 pm
The Vikings' tie eliminates one competitor for the first overall pick.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: chuck on November 24, 2013, 05:00:49 pm
The Vikings' tie eliminates one competitor for the first overall pick.

I don't see how Atlanta can win again.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 24, 2013, 06:43:31 pm
AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHA, HAAAAAAAAAAA, AHHHHH.

Fucking idiots.


The real irony is that THIS was the game the Kubris could've brought back Schaub.  Because he couldn't hold his water last week, he lost his chance. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Ebby Calvin on November 24, 2013, 06:58:23 pm
Say what you want about the Astros' rebuilding ways. At least it's an ethos.
As opposed to whatever this shitshow is.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: austro on November 24, 2013, 08:17:05 pm
Say what you want about the Astros' rebuilding ways. At least it's an ethos.
As opposed to whatever this shitshow is.

I feel so sorry for Andre Johnson.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 24, 2013, 08:36:46 pm
I feel so sorry for Andre Johnson.

He dropped two very catchable balls today.  Everyone - with the exception of Watt - has given up.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 24, 2013, 08:41:44 pm
He dropped two very catchable balls today.  Everyone - with the exception of Watt - has given up.

Johnson completely mailed it in today.  As did Ben Tate.  With half the guys, though, they're so bad you can't tell.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: austro on November 24, 2013, 08:55:30 pm
Johnson completely mailed it in today.  As did Ben Tate.  With half the guys, though, they're so bad you can't tell.

At least they ought to wind up with a great schedule next year.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 24, 2013, 09:04:08 pm
It was the double whammy. Bringing the ball out of the endzone for no reason to the 15 plus holding. Classic.

Jacksonville kicked off four times today.  Three of the four, Martin fielded in the end zone, and they managed to start at the 19, the 15 and the 7.  The fourth went out of bounds in the end zone and Martin couldn't field it.  Had Martin simply caught the kick off and fell down, they'd have gained 19 yards of field position.  


And Joe Marciano will still have a job tomorrow. 

Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 24, 2013, 09:32:02 pm
Johnson completely mailed it in today.  As did Ben Tate.  With half the guys, though, they're so bad you can't tell.


Best sign at the stadium:

"99 Problems but Watt ain't 1 of 'em!"
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 24, 2013, 09:36:46 pm
And Joe Marciano will still have a job tomorrow. 

At least one of the writers at the Chronicle was calling for Kubiak to have been fired immediately after the game. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: homer on November 24, 2013, 09:48:57 pm
Andre Johnson: We suck (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=afcsouth&id=55501&src=desktop)

Quote
"I think our record shows it," he said. "Yeah, if you look at our record, yeah, we're the worst team."
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Uncle Charlie on November 25, 2013, 08:22:57 am
So does Kubiak last the day?  I cannot think of a reason why he should. The team has given up on him.  These guys need to have someone in charge who will have some say in whether they have a job next year.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 08:35:45 am
So does Kubiak last the day?  I cannot think of a reason why he should. The team has given up on him.  These guys need to have someone in charge who will have some say in whether they have a job next year.

Your last sentence is why Kubiak will finish the season.  They're not going to be able to find the permanent coach in the last few weeks.  McNair is oblivious anyway. 
Title: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: geezerdonk on November 25, 2013, 09:41:00 am
At least you can watch them suck on TV.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 25, 2013, 09:43:01 am
Your last sentence is why Kubiak will finish the season.  They're not going to be able to find the permanent coach in the last few weeks.  McNair is oblivious anyway. 

Just as long as they have the new coach(es) and GM(?) in place to run the draft this time.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Uncle Charlie on November 25, 2013, 10:10:12 am
Your last sentence is why Kubiak will finish the season.  They're not going to be able to find the permanent coach in the last few weeks.  McNair is oblivious anyway. 

I didn't say a permanent head coach - not even a coach at all.  When they fire Kubs they can elevate Wade Phillips to that interim role.  They need to have someone who will be around to evaluate the talent and has a meaningful say on their jobs next year.  A "special assistant" to McNair, or some crap like that...don't care what you call it.  Not someone interested in the permanent job, but talented in scouting players and providing an evaluation.  Some names that, in my uneducated mind, could potentially do that are Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, and Jon Gruden.  I'm sure that there are others, but I'm generally ignorant on who are good talent evaluators and who are not (not to mention who would be available).
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 10:10:59 am
Just as long as they have the new coach(es) and GM(?) in place to run the draft this time.

Exactly.  Though I'm not convinced that Smith needs to go.  He's brought in talent.  Super Bowl caliber talent.  They've been coached to 2 wins.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 10:16:44 am
I didn't say a permanent head coach - not even a coach at all.  When they fire Kubs they can elevate Wade Phillips to that interim role.  They need to have someone who will be around to evaluate the talent and has a meaningful say on their jobs next year.  A "special assistant" to McNair, or some crap like that...don't care what you call it.  Not someone interested in the permanent job, but talented in scouting players and providing an evaluation.  Some names that, in my uneducated mind, could potentially do that are Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, and Jon Gruden.  I'm sure that there are others, but I'm generally ignorant on who are good talent evaluators and who are not (not to mention who would be available).

That's just it...any interim coach will not have a say so in whether or not these guys have a job next year.  Philips will not be the permanent head coach, so why make him interim? 
...
As for who is available, there are numerous Super Bowl head coaches who are theoretically available...Smith, Dungy, Gruden, Cowher...all of whom are young enough to be viable, should they decide they want to get back in the coaching game.  There are also several others who *may* be available...Rex Ryan and Mike Tomlin are names being thrown out, though I don't think either will be fired.  I'd hire any of those guys in a heartbeat, should they be available.  I personally don't see anyone other than Smith being interested at this point.  Smith is McNair's kind of guy, but he's a Kubiak clone in personality (as is Dungy), and that may not be what they want.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 25, 2013, 10:25:26 am
Exactly.  Though I'm not convinced that Smith needs to go.  He's brought in talent.  Super Bowl caliber talent.  They've been coached to 2 wins.

Anyone else notice that the more Keenum gets groomed to be the starting QB, the worse he gets?
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 25, 2013, 10:27:30 am
That's just it...any interim coach will not have a say so in whether or not these guys have a job next year.  Philips will not be the permanent head coach, so why make him interim? 
...
As for who is available, there are numerous Super Bowl head coaches who are theoretically available...Smith, Dungy, Gruden, Cowher...all of whom are young enough to be viable, should they decide they want to get back in the coaching game.  There are also several others who *may* be available...Rex Ryan and Mike Tomlin are names being thrown out, though I don't think either will be fired.  I'd hire any of those guys in a heartbeat, should they be available.  I personally don't see anyone other than Smith being interested at this point.  Smith is McNair's kind of guy, but he's a Kubiak clone in personality (as is Dungy), and that may not be what they want.


Rex Ryan would be perfect.  After all, it's not like he stuck with a failing quarterback for far too long, blowing up a season in the process, and then started swapping QBs in and out willy-nilly confusing the fuck out of everyone.

Eh?  Oh.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: BizidyDizidy on November 25, 2013, 10:30:36 am
That's just it...any interim coach will not have a say so in whether or not these guys have a job next year.  Philips will not be the permanent head coach, so why make him interim? 
...
As for who is available, there are numerous Super Bowl head coaches who are theoretically available...Smith, Dungy, Gruden, Cowher...all of whom are young enough to be viable, should they decide they want to get back in the coaching game.  There are also several others who *may* be available...Rex Ryan and Mike Tomlin are names being thrown out, though I don't think either will be fired.  I'd hire any of those guys in a heartbeat, should they be available.  I personally don't see anyone other than Smith being interested at this point.  Smith is McNair's kind of guy, but he's a Kubiak clone in personality (as is Dungy), and that may not be what they want.

Dear god, not Rex Ryan.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 10:32:46 am

Rex Ryan would be perfect.  After all, it's not like he stuck with a failing quarterback for far too long, blowing up a season in the process, and then started swapping QBs in and out willy-nilly confusing the fuck out of everyone.

Eh?  Oh.

It's also notable that Ryan has won despite having one of the worst QBs in the league.  The Jets have had 5 win talent and a 2-win QB, yet Ryan has taken them to the AFC Championship twice with that.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 10:34:15 am
Dear god, not Rex Ryan.

He would be infinitely better than what they currently have.  Despite his "personality", he's a damn good football coach.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 25, 2013, 10:39:29 am
He would be infinitely better than what they currently have.  Despite his "personality", he's a damn good football coach.

He just needs to put his best foot forward. 
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Limey on November 25, 2013, 10:46:21 am
He just needs to put his best foot forward. 

At least he can see his feet now.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: hostros7 on November 25, 2013, 10:54:04 am
At least he can see his feet now.

I think he's more interested in seeing other people's feet.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 25, 2013, 10:55:41 am
I think he's more interested in seeing other people's feet.

And there's nothing wrong with that.  Rex is hot for his wife and her feet.  Not what gets me going, but I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: Bench on November 25, 2013, 11:13:44 am
And there's nothing wrong with that.  Rex is hot for his wife and her feet.  Not what gets me going, but I'm ok with that.

I think Rob Ryan summed it up best: (http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2011/09/rob-ryan-talks-about-his-brothers-foot-fetish-says-hes-freaky-as-is-everybody-else.html#storylink=cpy) "Naw, I mean hell, he is a little freaky I guess," Rob Ryan said. "Hell, I don't know. I like everything about my wife. She got great feet, too. She got everything nice. What the hell."
Title: Re: Texans vs. Jags
Post by: 94CougarGrad on November 26, 2013, 11:38:43 pm
At least you can watch them suck on TV.

Yeah. 'Cause I can't. I don't know if I've previously mentioned how much that aggravates me.