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Title: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 03, 2013, 07:47:47 pm
Keenum announced his presence with authority.

Kubiak is still an idiot.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 03, 2013, 07:58:37 pm
Keenum announced his presence with authority.

Kubiak is still an idiot.

That's what I was saying, kinda.

Keenum and Johnson hook up again. 14 - 0.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 03, 2013, 08:01:53 pm
That's what I was saying, kinda.

Keenum and Johnson hook up again. 14 - 0.

I think they've figured out that they'll fake-run the play Kubiak calls, and then do whatever the fuck they want. 

And I support that. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: cougar on November 03, 2013, 08:06:24 pm
I think they've figured out that they'll fake-run the play Kubiak calls, and then do whatever the fuck they want. 

And I support that. 

"DeAndre, you're this bottle cap I found.  Andre, you're this stick..."

I wish Case would do something like that.  What are they gonna do, put him on the practice squad?  Cut him?  Not like someone won't pick him up before the waiver wire makes it to the press.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 08:45:07 pm
I was just thinking to myself, wow, not a total fuckup of a kickoff return by Martin.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 03, 2013, 08:51:48 pm
I was just thinking to myself, wow, not a total fuckup of a kickoff return by Martin.


So.  That's on you then.  [Unfriend]
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 09:12:48 pm
So.  That's on you then.  [Unfriend]

The fumble was overturned, fortunately.

But Kubiak was stretchered off the field after collapsing during halftime?!?!?!?  

I guess now we know what happens when his QB throws the deep ball (/I'll show myself out)
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: JaneDoe on November 03, 2013, 09:13:11 pm
Anyone at the game? Kubiak collapsed?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 03, 2013, 09:15:12 pm
Anyone at the game? Kubiak collapsed?

Hauled off to hospital.  Reportedly just a precautionary measure. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: JaneDoe on November 03, 2013, 09:19:38 pm
Thanks. Driving home from the ranch sans venison. Heard it flipping through the stations.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 09:21:45 pm
It sounds like he's okay, hopefully.  It reminds me of Dierker's awful seizure. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 09:29:19 pm
Why run the ball from 9 yards deep in the endzone?  Take a fucking knee.  It's so stupid.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 03, 2013, 10:06:38 pm
The kicker is not very good.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 03, 2013, 10:08:14 pm
Just cut this stupid Aggie fuck. Christ, I'm sick of this guy. What a liability.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Ebby Calvin on November 03, 2013, 10:13:47 pm
Just cut this stupid Aggie fuck. Christ, I'm sick of this guy. What a liability.

Dude, he just got carted off to the hospital.  Show some restraint.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: homer on November 03, 2013, 10:14:10 pm
Just cut this stupid Aggie fuck. Christ, I'm sick of this guy. What a liability.

Too soon.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 03, 2013, 10:19:36 pm
Too soon.

They said he was alert and communicating. I thought, Great, he'll come out ahead.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 10:21:49 pm
They said he was alert and communicating. I thought, Great, he'll come out ahead.

I'm dying.  That's absolute gold.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Ebby Calvin on November 03, 2013, 10:22:49 pm
I'm dying.  That's absolute gold.

Yep
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: austro on November 03, 2013, 10:29:47 pm
Jonathan Joseph is apparently taking the night off.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: remy on November 03, 2013, 10:35:31 pm
This one's gonna suck to lose.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 03, 2013, 10:41:13 pm
The special teams are such a fucking disaster.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 03, 2013, 10:45:21 pm
Kicker lost the game.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 03, 2013, 10:45:46 pm
Not even fucking close. Cut that motherfucker and fire whoever drafted him. This team is a fucking joke.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: remy on November 03, 2013, 10:53:51 pm
goddamn aggy.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 03, 2013, 11:31:08 pm
[kubiak]
You know, Randy's still our guy...he practiced really well this week...we'll look at the film, but we gotta find a way to play better as a team...[/kubiak]
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 03, 2013, 11:42:37 pm
[kubiak]
You know, Randy's still our guy...he practiced really well this week...we'll look at the film, but we gotta find a way to play better as a team...[/kubiak]

Just slip that fucking idiot a cigar and your problem disappears.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 04, 2013, 09:04:08 am
[kubiak]
You know, Randy's still our guy...he practiced really well this week...we'll look at the film, but we gotta find a way to play better as a team...[/kubiak]

That's exactly what Bullock said in his deer-in-the-headlights post game comments at his locker.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 09:08:31 am
That's exactly what Bullock said in his deer-in-the-headlights post game comments at his locker.

The Texans have already won the fucking Practice Super Bowl.  No other team is even close.  Perhaps they should switch it up...you know, have a lousy practice then go out and kick some ass on Sunday.  Just for balance.

In any other orgainzation, Bullock is cut by noon today.  Up until 2 weeks ago, there was no accountability in this organization...none whatsoever.  Schaub has now been held accountable for his dickstepping.  Will Bullock?  Will Marciano? 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 04, 2013, 09:25:01 am
In any other orgainzation, Bullock is cut by noon today.  Up until 2 weeks ago, there was no accountability in this organization...none whatsoever.  Schaub has now been held accountable for his dickstepping.  Will Bullock?  Will Marciano?  

I was typing into Facebook "so this game comes down to our punt return team and our kicker. Yay" just as the Colts' punt was put up.  Bullock may well have missed the kick from 45 yards but there's no way he was going to make anything longer than that.  The 10 yard penalty on the punt return was as brutal as it was predictable.

Marciano should've been gone three years ago.  Bullock should've been gone three games into this season.  If I completely Furyk my swing, there's still no way that I can get the crazy screwball action on a golf ball that Bullock got on his first missed kick last night.  And that kick was shorter and carrying about zero pressure as far as field goals go.

The booth crew made the astute (and obvious) comment that the defense showed up last night because they finally had their teammates on the other side of the ball doing a good job and putting up numbers instead of taking them away.  What they didn't realise was that "special" teams have been sucking consistently for years, but were just being overshadowed of late by the black hole of suck that was the offense under Schaub.  Kick coverage was awful, kick returning was even worse and the field goal "unit" is a disaster; all of which gifts the opposition good field position or hurts ours.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 09:29:28 am
Kick coverage was awful, kick returning was even worse and the field goal "unit" is a disaster; all of which gifts the opposition good field position or hurts ours.


Absolutely.  If the Texans did not try to return any kick yesterday...if they simply fair caught every punt, and downed every kickoff in the endzone, they probably win that game.  But that's been true all season.  Martin is as bad a kick returner as Bullock is a kicker.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 09:30:58 am
Marciano should've been gone three years ago.  Bullock should've been gone three games into this season.  If I completely Furyk my swing, there's still no way that I can get the crazy screwball action on a golf ball that Bullock got on his first missed kick last night.  And that kick was shorter and carrying about zero pressure as far as field goals go.

All three of the missed field goals were just terrible.  As for the game ender, it wouldn't have been good from extra point distance.  It was a complete and total choke job.  Period.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 04, 2013, 09:34:23 am
All three of the missed field goals were just terrible.  As for the game ender, it wouldn't have been good from extra point distance.  It was a complete and total choke job.  Period.

Oh, I agree.  As soon as it left his leg, I just said "Nope".  It was never inside the sticks and, just like a putt that's below the hole, it's never going to come back once a righty pulls it left*.

* Except that his ridiculous first try nearly did.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 04, 2013, 09:40:10 am
All three of the missed field goals were just terrible.  As for the game ender, it wouldn't have been good from extra point distance.  It was a complete and total choke job.  Period.

We should sign this guy (http://vplayer.nbcsports.com/p/BxmELC/nbc_embedshare/select/veHlIn_emhDV) (although the Texans would probabl;y end up signign the other guy).
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 04, 2013, 10:36:43 am
Bullock was shanking kicks left and right in camp/OTAs last year before he got hurt.  He's terrible.

Good thing we drafted him before Greg Zuerlein or Blair Walsh (drafted in later rounds).  Or undrafted free agent Justin Tucker.

Season is over so the loss does not matter that much.  Looks like we have an answer at QB finally.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 11:14:18 am
Season is over so the loss does not matter that much.  Looks like we have an answer at QB finally.

Let's not get carried away.  It's been two games, both losses, both in which simply scoring a touchdown in the 2nd half would have won the game, neither in which Keenum was unable to produce said touchdown.  I like Keenum...I want to see him do well.  But he's a long way from showing he's the "answer".
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 04, 2013, 11:23:41 am
Let's not get carried away.  It's been two games, both losses, both in which simply scoring a touchdown in the 2nd half would have won the game, neither in which Keenum was unable to produce said touchdown.  I like Keenum...I want to see him do well.  But he's a long way from showing he's the "answer".

He's the answer for the rest of this dismal season. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: MusicMan on November 04, 2013, 11:26:08 am
He's the answer for the rest of this dismal season. 

That's correct.  But it would be a huge mistake for the first four rounds to not be QB, OG, OT, FS in some order.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 11:30:34 am
That's correct.  But it would be a huge mistake for the first four rounds to not be QB, OG, OT, FS in some order.

Exactly.  Keenum should play every down he's healthy the rest of the season, but the Texas absolutely MUST draft a QB with their first pick.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: NeilT on November 04, 2013, 11:31:30 am
looks like they'll have a pretty high first pick.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 11:33:49 am
looks like they'll have a pretty high first pick.

I see them finishing about 5-11, but with as bad as the Jags are and as bad as the Bucs are and as bad as the Vikings are and as bad as the Giants are and as bad as the Steelers are, I don't imagine they'll have higher than perhaps the 6th pick, if they're lucky.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: MusicMan on November 04, 2013, 11:39:36 am
looks like they'll have a pretty high first pick.

I think the Jaguars just suspended their high first pick.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Uncle Charlie on November 04, 2013, 12:58:14 pm
I like Keenum...I want to see him do well.  But he's a long way from showing he's the "answer".

I do too, but my worry is that his upside is Tony Romo.  Romo is a "good" QB, but not a guy that can take a team to the promised land.  In a QB-driven league there are the haves and the have nots.  Occasionally you see someone bust through with a good run (Dilfer, maybe even Kaep)...but more often than not it leads to year in and year out battlng for the WC spots and an occasional 1st round playoff win.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 01:17:49 pm
I do too, but my worry is that his upside is Tony Romo.  Romo is a "good" QB, but not a guy that can take a team to the promised land.  In a QB-driven league there are the haves and the have nots.  Occasionally you see someone bust through with a good run (Dilfer, maybe even Kaep)...but more often than not it leads to year in and year out battlng for the WC spots and an occasional 1st round playoff win.

My worry is that physically, his upside isn't even Tony Romo.  There's a reason he went undrafted, several actually, and the two most prominent are size and arm strength.  I was listening to one of the talking heads this morning, and he was asked "how will you know if a guy is a legit 'QB of the future' or not?"  The response was "first, can you run every play in the playbook without hesitation? If not, for whatever reason...size, speed, arm strength, decision making, what have you...then he's not the guy."  Keenum has yet to prove he's that guy, though he's certainly capable of plays that Schaub is not.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 04, 2013, 04:47:03 pm
I think Keenum has plenty of arm and I love his accuracy, quick release, and ability to extend plays.

I worry more about his durability.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 04, 2013, 08:56:39 pm
Texans are Shayne Graham, Neil Rackers and Justin Medlock for PK tryouts tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: morningwood75 on November 04, 2013, 09:02:58 pm
That's correct.  But it would be a huge mistake for the first four rounds to not be QB, OG, OT, FS in some order.

I can't say that I agree completely. Brooks has progessed really well at RG and has enormous upside. LG Wade Smith will be allowed to leave in free agency due to his severe decline but Quessenberry, who looked great in training camp before getting injured, will most likely fill in. Then you have Ben Jones, maybe a free agent, and a mid-to-late round guard prospect as depth. When it comes to OT, they just drafted Brennan Williams in the 3rd round in the 2013 draft but he got hurt in camp. They will want to see what they have in him before they go for a high pick again at OT. Maybe Jake Matthews would change that, though. FS? I agree. I like Keo and Swearinger as SS, but they have nothing at FS besides Manning/Reed and I think those men are both cut after the season. QB? I think they must draft a qb in this upcoming deep draft for the position. But I am not sure about the round. If Case keeps up this play through the rest of the season, then I would be fine with a guy in rounds two or three to compete with him for the job next season.

Priorities in the top 3 rounds: LB, DB, QB

Do they move Brooks Reed inside and put him next to Cushing and then draft a beastly outside pass rusher high to go along with Watt? Or do they take a stud ILB and leave Reed on the outside?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: morningwood75 on November 04, 2013, 09:05:56 pm
Exactly.  Keenum should play every down he's healthy the rest of the season, but the Texas absolutely MUST draft a QB with their first pick.

They MUST draft a qb, but I do not necessarily think it has to be in the first round. This is a deep qb draft so you will be able to find quality in the middle rounds. If Case plays well throughout the rest of the season, then bring in a good mid-round guy to compete with him and use your first picks for pass rush and secondary help.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 04, 2013, 10:21:21 pm
They MUST draft a qb, but I do not necessarily think it has to be in the first round. This is a deep qb draft so you will be able to find quality in the middle rounds. If Case plays well throughout the rest of the season, then bring in a good mid-round guy to compete with him and use your first picks for pass rush and secondary help.

They can't afford a 4th round, middle of the road guy. They have to have a franchise QB if they don't want to win 6 games every year for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: morningwood75 on November 04, 2013, 10:38:30 pm
They can't afford a 4th round, middle of the road guy. They have to have a franchise QB if they don't want to win 6 games every year for the next 10 years.

Who says Case isn't that guy especially if he continues the same play for the rest of the season? Who says a 3rd round qb in a deep qb draft won't be worth anything? Guys picked in the middle rounds lately include Foles, Cousins, Glennon, Wilson, etc. All have shots to be big time quarterbacks. This draft will have Bridgewater, Mariota, Boyd, Manziel, Carr, Bortles, Morris, Murray, McCarron, Mettenberger, Hundley, Fales, Price, Guiton, and Renner.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: OregonStrosFan on November 04, 2013, 11:25:22 pm
There's a reason he went undrafted, several actually, and the two most prominent are size and arm strength.

Neither here nor there, but IMO NFL teams tend to overstate the importance of 'prototypical size' when evaluating a QB (hence the reason that kids like Russel Wilson fall to the 3rd round).
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 06:35:45 am
Neither here nor there, but IMO NFL teams tend to overstate the importance of 'prototypical size' when evaluating a QB (hence the reason that kids like Russel Wilson fall to the 3rd round).

Question...and be honest:  you're drafting a QB to anchor your franchise (and hopefully win Super Bowls) for 10+ years, do you take Luck or RGIII?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Outlawscotty on November 05, 2013, 07:05:17 am
Question...and be honest:  you're drafting a QB to anchor your franchise (and hopefully win Super Bowls) for 10+ years, do you take Luck or RGIII?

I don't even think that's a fair question.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 08:13:58 am
Question...and be honest:  you're drafting a QB to anchor your franchise (and hopefully win Super Bowls) for 10+ years, do you take Luck or RGIII?

Luck.  Same way I would take Newton over RGIII.  Durability.  RGIII is not big enough to play the way he does...he will spend a lot of time wwearing a baseball cap on the sidelines if he does not tweak his style.  Also, I think it gets lost just how good an athlete luck is.  I think he ran a sub 4.7 at the combine.  Not sure the exact number, just remember it being pretty damn fast for such a big guy. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: BudGirl on November 05, 2013, 08:20:00 am
Luck.  Same way I would take Newton over RGIII.  Durability.  RGIII is not big enough to play the way he does...he will spend a lot of time wwearing a baseball cap on the sidelines if he does not tweak his style.  Also, I think it gets lost just how good an athlete luck is.  I think he ran a sub 4.7 at the combine.  Not sure the exact number, just remember it being pretty damn fast for such a big guy. 

+1  I don't think RGIII will last that long in the league.  I heard Sunday that Michael Vick has only had one season where he didn't miss a game due to injury.  When that QB starts running, its open season.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 08:22:39 am
Neither here nor there, but IMO NFL teams tend to overstate the importance of 'prototypical size' when evaluating a QB (hence the reason that kids like Russel Wilson fall to the 3rd round).

Wilson is a good QB, but how good is he on a team that does not have a monster at RB, great Defense and a Home Field that is like playing in a prison yard to opposing players?  I think he was probably graded pretty fairly...he is just in the IDEAL situation.  
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 08:26:16 am
+1  I don't think RGIII will last that long in the league.  I heard Sunday that Michael Vick has only had one season where he didn't miss a game due to injury.  When that QB starts running, its open season.

He HAS to get smarter...he has the tools to avoid contact, he just fails to do so in live action.  I would take Wilson over RGIII.  Wilson is put together better AND takes less contact.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Mr. Happy on November 05, 2013, 08:26:43 am
When that QB starts running, its open season.

My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: BizidyDizidy on November 05, 2013, 08:39:14 am
Luck.  Same way I would take Newton over RGIII.  Durability.  RGIII is not big enough to play the way he does...he will spend a lot of time wwearing a baseball cap on the sidelines if he does not tweak his style.  Also, I think it gets lost just how good an athlete luck is.  I think he ran a sub 4.7 at the combine.  Not sure the exact number, just remember it being pretty damn fast for such a big guy. 

Player A: 4.67 40 yard, 36" vertical, 124" broad jump, 6.8 3 cone, 4.3 shuttle, 6'4, 234 lbs

Player B: 4.59 40 yard, 35" vertical, 126" broad jump, 6.9 3 cone, 4.2 shuttle, 6'5, 248 lbs
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 08:44:02 am
Player A: 4.67 40 yard, 36" vertical, 124" broad jump, 6.8 3 cone, 4.3 shuttle, 6'4, 234 lbs

Player B: 4.59 40 yard, 35" vertical, 126" broad jump, 6.9 3 cone, 4.2 shuttle, 6'5, 248 lbs

Luck, Newton, respectively?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: MusicMan on November 05, 2013, 08:45:50 am
Question...and be honest:  you're drafting a QB to anchor your franchise (and hopefully win Super Bowls) for 10+ years, do you take Luck or RGIII?

We forget that not everyone automatically comes back 100% from ACL surgery.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: BizidyDizidy on November 05, 2013, 08:51:56 am
Luck, Newton, respectively?

Indeed.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: NeilT on November 05, 2013, 09:03:05 am
Indeed.

That's all meaningless without their Briggs-Myers results.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: MusicMan on November 05, 2013, 09:09:18 am
That's all meaningless without their Briggs-Myers results.

/consults "Briggs-Myers Star Wars" map
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 09:24:17 am
We forget that not everyone automatically comes back 100% from ACL surgery.

Non-responsive.  When looking to draft a QB in the NFL, would you rather draft a Luck clone or an RGIII clone?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: jbm on November 05, 2013, 09:30:53 am
Non-responsive.  When looking to draft a QB in the NFL, would you rather draft a Luck clone or an RGIII clone?

Is this question just equivalent to "who will have a better career, Luck or RGIII?" and if so, is the answer any clearer than it was before the draft last year?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 09:35:07 am
Is this question just equivalent to "who will have a better career, Luck or RGIII?" and if so, is the answer any clearer than it was before the draft last year?

The question is, looking strictly at size and physical build, and you're looking for someone to play QB for you for 10+ years, do you draft a guy built like Luck or a guy built like RGIII?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: MusicMan on November 05, 2013, 09:38:49 am
Non-responsive.  When looking to draft a QB in the NFL, would you rather draft a Luck clone or an RGIII clone?

Going back to that time, I would have preferred Luck over Griffin.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 09:45:39 am
The question is, looking strictly at size and physical build, and you're looking for someone to play QB for you for 10+ years, do you draft a guy built like Luck or a guy built like RGIII?

I don't think that is a fair question.  I mean, if the options are Matt Schaub and RGII, I take RGIII.  If the options are Luck and (insert any name here), I take Luck.  Now, hindsight is 20/20...if the options in a draft were Brees and Stafford, I take Brees.  I am not drafting a big stiff over a guy that may not have that ideal frame but can command the huddle and play the position.  Way too many variables to pose the question that simply...

I would like to note that hindsight is the only reason I would draft Brees over Stafford...as Stafford is another good athlete with size.  I would take Brees over Flacco, though.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 10:01:44 am
I don't think that is a fair question.  I mean, if the options are Matt Schaub and RGII, I take RGIII.  If the options are Luck and (insert any name here), I take Luck.  Now, hindsight is 20/20...if the options in a draft were Brees and Stafford, I take Brees.  I am not drafting a big stiff over a guy that may not have that ideal frame but can command the huddle and play the position.  Way too many variables to pose the question that simply...

I would like to note that hindsight is the only reason I would draft Brees over Stafford...as Stafford is another good athlete with size.  I would take Brees over Flacco, though.

The question is related to size.  Do you admit that everything being equal, you take a guy built like Luck or Newton over a guy built like RGIII?  If so, why? 

Look at the last 20 Super Bowl winning QBs;

Young
Aikman
Favre
Elway
Warner
Dilfer
Brady
Johnson
Roethlisburger
Manning
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Flacco

Brees is the only one on the list you could call "undersized", and he's still a traditional drop-back QB.

You think that's coincidence?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 10:05:31 am
The question is related to size.  Do you admit that everything being equal, you take a guy built like Luck or Newton over a guy built like RGIII?  If so, why? 

Look at the last 20 Super Bowl winning QBs;

Young
Aikman
Favre
Elway
Warner
Dilfer
Brady
Johnson
Roethlisburger
Manning
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Flacco

Brees is the only one on the list you could call "undersized", and he's still a traditional drop-back QB.

You think that's coincidence?

You got a point...although Young and Rogers are more akin to Brees than any of the other guys.  I draft the big guy.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 05, 2013, 10:23:18 am
Texans are Shayne Graham, Neil Rackers and Justin Medlock for PK tryouts tomorrow. 

Thank God.  One aggy albatross down.  One to go.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 10:25:11 am
Thank God.  One aggy albatross down.  One to go.

They haven't released Bullock yet, and my guess is they're not going to.  I wouldn't pop the cork just yet.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 05, 2013, 10:48:27 am
They can't afford a 4th round, middle of the road guy. They have to have a franchise QB if they don't want to win 6 games every year for the next 10 years.
That's what the Chargers were thinking when they had a young Brees and felt a need to draft Rivers.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 10:49:56 am
That's what the Chargers were thinking when they had a young Brees and felt a need to draft Rivers.

Yep, I'm not saying it's perfect.  Also, drafting a QB doesn't mean you have to get rid of the other ones, especially with the new CBA.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 10:53:49 am
That's what the Chargers were thinking when they had a young Brees and felt a need to draft Rivers.

Were the Chargers going to fire Norv Turner and hire Sean Payton?  I am skeptical Brees career takes the same trajectory had he stayed in San Diego uner the Turner regime.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 05, 2013, 12:23:58 pm
Were the Chargers going to fire Norv Turner and hire Sean Payton?  I am skeptical Brees career takes the same trajectory had he stayed in San Diego uner the Turner regime.
Who knows? How might Rivers perform with Payton? I tend to think that Brees has better instincts, and perhaps more will, and that is what made him better than Rivers.

The Chargers hadn't given up on Brees as much as Rivers was much more the prototype. They fell in love with his "upside" potential, which at that time was considered greater than that of Brees. Just a cautionary note.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 05, 2013, 12:26:02 pm
This draft will have Bridgewater, Mariota, Boyd, Manziel, Carr, Bortles, Morris, Murray, McCarron, Mettenberger, Hundley, Fales, Price, Guiton, and Renner.

Say, that's a winning name!
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: sporadic on November 05, 2013, 12:49:32 pm
Who knows? How might Rivers perform with Payton? I tend to think that Brees has better instincts, and perhaps more will, and that is what made him better than Rivers.

The Chargers hadn't given up on Brees as much as Rivers was much more the prototype. They fell in love with his "upside" potential, which at that time was considered greater than that of Brees. Just a cautionary note.

Actually I think they fell in love with Eli's upside, Rivers was a consolation prize.  Those Mannings just have to get their stinking way.  Anyway, Brees and Rivers share a whole crapload of non-physical traits.  Both are good leaders and were seen to have the "intangibles" one looks for in a QB...and both are really tough SOB's.  Did Brees shoulder have anything to do with that decision or was that post drafting Rivers?  Seems like there was speculation Brees arm (already deemed borderline by NFL standards) might not ever be the same...
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: morningwood75 on November 05, 2013, 02:39:43 pm
Say, that's a winning name!

At least he does not wear number 8 and he appears to not have a terrible throwing motion. Another name to mention is Braxton Miller. He has really improved his accuracy over the past couple of years and is very mobile.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 05, 2013, 03:20:06 pm
Actually I think they fell in love with Eli's upside, Rivers was a consolation prize.  Those Mannings just have to get their stinking way.  Anyway, Brees and Rivers share a whole crapload of non-physical traits.  Both are good leaders and were seen to have the "intangibles" one looks for in a QB...and both are really tough SOB's.  Did Brees shoulder have anything to do with that decision or was that post drafting Rivers?  Seems like there was speculation Brees arm (already deemed borderline by NFL standards) might not ever be the same...


Brees's arm was always suspect, at least in strength.  I guess no one realized for a while that he might not be able to throw the ball 80 yards, but he could throw it through a fucking donut at 40 yards.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 05, 2013, 04:18:19 pm
Meanwhile, Kubiak has been reported to be the victim of a mild stroke, and will be out "indefinitely".  He is expected to recover fully*.


* My old man suffered a mild stroke a couple of years ago.  He also "recovered fully", but he hasn't been the same since.  Nothing dramatic, but he's just not 100% of what he was before the stroke.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: BudGirl on November 05, 2013, 04:22:53 pm
I think he will recover fine from this one.  The bad thing is that he has a high probability of having more TIAs and that is where the damage starts occurring.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 05, 2013, 06:11:00 pm
They haven't released Bullock yet, and my guess is they're not going to.  I wouldn't pop the cork just yet.

Might as well.  That fat aggy's inaccurate knuckleball kicks and line drive kickoffs can help us get a better draft pick.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: T. J. on November 06, 2013, 10:13:42 am


Brees's arm was always suspect, at least in strength.  I guess no one realized for a while that he might not be able to throw the ball 80 yards, but he could throw it through a fucking donut at 40 yards.

That's not far from the truth.  Have you ever seen this (http://gawker.com/5647211/drew-breess-throwing-accuracy-vs-an-olympic-archer)?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Duke on November 06, 2013, 10:23:27 am
That's frickin' impressive.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 07, 2013, 11:02:41 am
Texans going with Bullock again this week.  No one called me and I'm available this weekend.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 07, 2013, 11:29:57 am
Texans going with Bullock again this week.  No one called me and I'm available this weekend.
Great. I find it hard to believe the worst field goal kicker in the NFL is their best option, but I guess that is how they see it.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 07, 2013, 11:44:09 am
Great. I find it hard to believe the worst field goal kicker in the NFL is their best option, but I guess that is how they see it.

That is their philosophy in a lot of areas, including head coach, so it should come as no surprise. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 07, 2013, 12:02:54 pm
They figure he's ready to break good and rip off 3 or 4 in a row.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 07, 2013, 01:09:36 pm
They figure he's ready to break good and rip off 3 or 4 in a row.

Extra points?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 07, 2013, 01:18:15 pm
Extra points?

Don't get crazy.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 07, 2013, 01:29:54 pm
Don't get crazy.

Hey, look, with Keenum at the helm the offense is actually scoring touchdowns every now and then so you never know.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 07, 2013, 01:59:55 pm
Hey, look, with Keenum at the helm the offense is actually scoring touchdowns every now and then so you never know.

The yahoos on 610 had some interesting comments about and from Andre Johnson this week.  One of the things they highlighted was that Johnson is downright giddy about finally having a QB who's not afraid to take a shot down the field.  They also pointed out that statistically, after the first 6 games, Johnson was on pace for his worst season ever.  After the first 8 games, he's now on pace for his best.  THAT'S the difference that Keenum makes.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 07, 2013, 02:02:53 pm
The yahoos on 610 had some interesting comments about and from Andre Johnson this week.  One of the things they highlighted was that Johnson is downright giddy about finally having a QB who's not afraid to take a shot down the field.  They also pointed out that statistically, after the first 6 games, Johnson was on pace for his worst season ever.  After the first 8 games, he's now on pace for his best.  THAT'S the difference that Keenum makes.

The Keenum-Johnson connection is electric.  Just imagine if Daniel was healthy...
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 07, 2013, 02:06:42 pm
The Keenum-Johnson connection is electric.  Just imagine if Daniel was healthy...

One of the observations was if the QB can move, even just a little, Johnson is open every play.  Every.  Single.  Fucking.  Play.  That's how good he is.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 07, 2013, 02:35:10 pm
One of the observations was if the QB can move, even just a little, Johnson is open every play.  Every.  Single.  Fucking.  Play.  That's how good he is.

He's 35 years old and no one in in the league can cover him. This to me is the great tragedy of McNair's being a stubborn fuckstick. He's effectively wasted one of the great players in the history of the league.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 07, 2013, 02:45:41 pm
He's 35 years old and no one in in the league can cover him. This to me is the great tragedy of McNair's being a stubborn fuckstick. He's effectively wasted one of the great players in the history of the league.

Well, Johnson just turned 32, but you're right...it angers me to think "THIS is the kind of production we could have seen from Johnson had the organization not been blinded by Matt Schaub!?!?"
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: chuck on November 07, 2013, 03:06:57 pm
It's amazing to contemplate that Case Keenum, all undrafted five foot ten of him, could be the best starting quarterback in the history of the franchise.

I wonder what it would be like to be a fan of a team with competent leadership.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 07, 2013, 03:15:27 pm
I wonder what it would be like to be a fan of a team with competent leadership.


I'm not so sure that such a thing exists.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: homer on November 07, 2013, 05:26:54 pm
The yahoos on 610 had some interesting comments about and from Andre Johnson this week.  One of the things they highlighted was that Johnson is downright giddy about finally having a QB who's not afraid to take a shot down the field.  They also pointed out that statistically, after the first 6 games, Johnson was on pace for his worst season ever.  After the first 8 games, he's now on pace for his best.  THAT'S the difference that Keenum makes.

A guy at the bar in DC plopped down next to Ebby and me, oblivious to what game was on or who was playing. Once he discovered it was the Texans, his first comment was 'Andre Johnson has been killing my fantasy team.'
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Bench on November 07, 2013, 05:40:34 pm
I feel like Matt Schaub and Matt Ryan share some weird cosmic fate. 
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Ebby Calvin on November 07, 2013, 07:27:09 pm
I feel like Matt Schaub and Matt Ryan share some weird cosmic fate. 

I drew the connection between Schaub (Keenum) and Vick (Foles) potentially losing their jobs in the same week.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 08, 2013, 01:39:00 pm
I drew the connection between Schaub (Keenum) and Vick (Foles) potentially losing their jobs in the same week.

Well, apparently, the whole mobile QB thing is a complete myth.  So says The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/articles/mobile-quarterback-era-not-a-thing,34490/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default)*.

* And a Fox outlet near you in three...two...
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: austro on November 08, 2013, 08:02:45 pm
Well, apparently, the whole mobile QB thing is a complete myth.  So says The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/articles/mobile-quarterback-era-not-a-thing,34490/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default)*.

* And a Fox outlet near you in three...two...

Buried the lede: http://www.theonion.com/articles/texans-players-wish-they-were-good-enough-to-rally,34459/
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on November 09, 2013, 08:05:32 pm
Bullock is the first kicker since 1985 to have a field goal percentage under 62% with at least 20 attempts through 8 games.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: austro on November 09, 2013, 08:10:06 pm
Bullock is the first kicker since 1985 to have a field goal percentage under 62% with at least 20 attempts through 8 games.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Ebby Calvin on November 09, 2013, 08:34:44 pm
What's your point?

He's due.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 12, 2013, 11:51:30 am
It's amazing to contemplate that Case Keenum, all undrafted five foot ten of him, could be the best starting quarterback in the history of the franchise.

I wonder what it would be like to be a fan of a team with competent leadership.

I like case.  Point of fact though -- he measured in at 6'1" at the combine without shoes.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 12, 2013, 12:26:13 pm
I like case.  Point of fact though -- he measured in at 6'1" at the combine without shoes.

They reported 6' 1".  Which translates to 5' 10" outside of the sporting world.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: HudsonHawk on November 12, 2013, 12:43:22 pm
They reported 6' 1".  Which translates to 5' 10" outside of the sporting world.

Kind of like how 280 lbs in the real world translates to 225 lbs in the sporting world (see Lee, Carlos).
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Limey on November 12, 2013, 01:04:00 pm
Kind of like how 280 lbs in the real world translates to 225 lbs in the sporting world (see Lee, Carlos).

And vice versa for non-athletes.
Title: Re: Texans - Colts
Post by: Randy Watson on November 12, 2013, 02:24:36 pm
They reported 6' 1".  Which translates to 5' 10" outside of the sporting world.

Combine measurements are very accurate and there is no bullshit in them like College teams' media guides.  Chris Simms went from 6'5" at Texas to 6'2" at the Combine.  Roy Williams did too. But both were outed at the combine.

They measure you without shoes and report it accurately.  Case specifically measured in precisely at 1/8" shy of 6'1".