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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: jbm on July 07, 2013, 02:49:20 pm
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Astros County, via a tweet from Smith, reports that Harrell is going to the pen.
Maybe they had seen enough of his attitude.
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Astros County, via a tweet from Smith, reports that Harrell is going to the pen.
Maybe they had seen enough of his attitude.
Oh, good. Because the bullpen doesn't fuck things up enough already.
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Do we know who gets his rotations spot? Oberholtzer?
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They have some days off coming up. Maybe they are just skipping a turn.
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They have some days off coming up. Maybe they are just skipping a turn.
That sounds more like it.
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i dont know . stranger things have happened.
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Here is the Chron general article: Astros’ Lucas Harrell moved to bullpen indefinitely (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2013/07/07/astros-lucas-harrell-moved-to-bullpen-indefinitely/)
And a further 'transcript' of the interview via the Chron: ‘Shocked’ Lucas Harrell discusses move to bullpen, future with Astros (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2013/07/07/shocked-lucas-harrell-discusses-move-to-bullpen-future-with-astros/)
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In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.
He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself. Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.
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in other words standard operating procedure
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In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.
He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself. Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.
I agree. Someone who is pitching to a 5.04 ERA, 1.61 WHIP and a .281 BAA has some room for improvement. It sounds like the guy who fed him that statistic that he allegedly shares with King Felix was just stirring the shit pot. I'd trade or release him right now. He's not going to even try in the bully.
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In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.
He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself. Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.
Head. Case.
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Head. Case.
I thought I was reading Tim Redding.
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I thought I was reading Tim Redding.
"Now you're just being nasty."
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It would be nice if Lucas could get his head out of his ass and look in the fucking mirror, as Ed Wade would say. I actually think he could be a pretty good closer - maybe channel his rage and intensity a bit, add a mph or two to his sinker, walk the bases loaded before finally getting the game-ending DP; you know, like all good Astro closers.
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isnt redding pitching in mexico?
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You're thinking of Kenny Powers.
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It would be nice if Lucas could get his head out of his ass and look in the fucking mirror, as Ed Wade would say. I actually think he could be a pretty good closer - maybe channel his rage and intensity a bit, add a mph or two to his sinker, walk the bases loaded before finally getting the game-ending DP; you know, like all good Astro closers.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I've seen him hit 95 with his heater. However, he's got to cut down on the free passes. It'll be interesting to see how Porter uses him out in the bully, particularly after his comments.
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faceook posting Tim Redding
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Timothy James Redding is an American professional baseball pitcher. He has pitched for the Houston Astros, San Diego Padres, Washington Nationals, New York Yankees, New York Mets, and Toronto Blue Jays organizations. He is currently on the roster of the Sultanes de Monterrey in the Mexican League.
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You're thinking of Kenny Powers.
SFN
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SFN
Indeed!
Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding? Who's the 5th starter?
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Bo Belinsky.
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Indeed!
Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding? Who's the 5th starter?
Mr. Happy?
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Indeed!
Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding? Who's the 5th starter?
Jeff Juden
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Jose Lima.
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Clemens. Not that it impaired his pitching much.
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Mr. Happy?
Zing! #POTWA
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Mr. Happy?
That. Is. Hilarious. Good shot, JCIII!!!
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I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate about him being immature and stubborn. A scout was quoted too. It might be that Harrell let his marginal success last season make him believe that he was a big leaguer who didn't need any coaching. That's usually when you need coaching the most in my experience, having rebelled against coaches myself. Harrell would do well to STFU and come out throwing gas from the bully.
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Sounds like Harrell is more of a whiner than Norris.
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I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate about him being immature and stubborn. A scout was quoted too. It might be that Harrell let his marginal success last season make him believe that he was a big leaguer who didn't need any coaching. That's usually when you need coaching the most in my experience, having rebelled against coaches myself. Harrell would do well to STFU and come out throwing gas from the bully.
I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.
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isnt there a possibility of the whole team making immature remarks
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I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate
Well that changes everything.
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As always fuck JdJO.
This. This X infinity.
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I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.
I haven't read it, nor will I... but... Harrell has been mouthing off to the press quote a bit this season, and my general take on him is pretty much what Happy's was.
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Maybe (My Name is) Asher Woj will make Harrell irrelevant - at least as far as the starting rotation is concerned.
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I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.
He was quite public out on the mound when he disapproved of the infield shifts. I strongly suspect that the article is accurate. But fuck JdJO anyway. Old blind sow...
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(My Name is) Asher Woj
Slim Shady?
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Slim Shady?
Hank Kingsley.
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Slim Shady?
His name is Robert Paulson.
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The thought occurred to me last night during the game that, hopefully, Harrell will take advantage of the golden opportunity to listen to El Presidente down in the bully, who can give him some very wise words about how to act on the mound. That guy was a machine who was the consummate professional. The camera shot away to the bully early in the game, and Harrell and El Presidente were in fact talking. I take that as a good sign.
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Bo Belinsky.
So what would the Astros all-time all-headcase team look like? Gonna need some help with the 60's-70's guys:
1B:
2B:
SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
C: Meluskey
SP: Lima (2000 version), Joaquin Andujar, Redding, Juden?, ???
RP:
Closer: Wagner in a landslide
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So what would the Astros all-time all-headcase team look like? Gonna need some help with the 60's-70's guys:
1B:
2B:
SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
C: Meluskey
SP: Lima (2000 version), Joaquin Andujar, Redding, Juden?, ???
RP:
Closer: Wagner in a landslide
Joe Pepitone for 1B, Sonny Jackson or Dickie Thon for SS and maybe Tommy Helms for 2B. Some of those guys weren't really that much of head cases, but they sprang to mind as "free spirits".
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So what would the Astros all-time all-headcase team look like? Gonna need some help with the 60's-70's guys:
1B:
2B:
SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
C: Meluskey
SP: Lima (2000 version), Joaquin Andujar, Redding, Juden?, ???
RP:
Closer: Wagner in a landslide
Chuckie doesn't do your list
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Mike Ivie, 1B
Charlie Kerfeld, RP
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Does Julio Lugo (2B/SS) qualify?
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The pitching staff is not complete without chacon. Also, any roster without Carl Everett is more bogus than that whole dinosaur myth.
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The pitching staff is not complete without chacon. Also, any roster without Carl Everett is more bogus than that whole dinosaur myth.
Everett is front and center on the list.
Also, is this a list of true "head cases" or just people who are/were a little wacky in the head? If the latter, there's no former Astro loonier than Luke Scott.
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Everett is front and center on the list.
Also, is this a list of true "head cases" or just people who are/were a little wacky in the head? If the latter, there's no former Astro loonier than Luke Scott.
I don't remember C4 being much of a headcase while he was here, though he certainly made up for it after the fact. What I remember about Bell was his freaking out about not batting 2nd in the lineup, or maybe batting 2nd in the lineup.
Luke Scott's another who really came into his own after he left Houston.
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I'd slot Burke at 2B, freeing up Lugo for SS.
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I'd slot Burke at 2B, freeing up Lugo for SS.
Even on this list someone was blocking Burke.
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Even on this list someone was blocking Burke.
SFN
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If the head case category includes free spirit, then the Red Rooster goes to the top of the list. I don't think anybody in Astros' history was screwier than Rader. John Bateman and Turk Farrell deserve mention.
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No love for Joaquin Andujar?
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Jim Bouton
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Terry Collins is the manager.
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Ensberg's bat should be the DH.
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Mark Lemongello - bat shit crazy.
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Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?
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Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?
yep.
Jim Gentile
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The list kinda falls off after these guys, unless you want to get into the Don Wilson / Ken Caminiti types of players.
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Did someone already mention Candaele? I mean, just in terms of nutty kooks he'd have to rank pretty high.
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Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?
Speaking of Mitch Williams... (http://deadspin.com/brandon-mccarthy-does-not-take-kindly-to-mitch-williams-742712820)
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Did someone already mention Candaele? I mean, just in terms of nutty kooks he'd have to rank pretty high.
I always thought Candaele was more of a "character"...a prankster who's favorite band was the Beat Farmers. Is that really all that kooky?