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General Discussion => Beer and Queso => Topic started by: Uncle Charlie on June 21, 2013, 03:08:53 pm
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Seems the star TE is in some serious doodoo. Being potentially connected to a murder while destroying your security system and phone in the following hours is, um, not good. Is he the fall guy or Ray Lewis?
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/06/report-arrest-warrant-issued-for-patriots-hernandez/ (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/06/report-arrest-warrant-issued-for-patriots-hernandez/)
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Hernandez was arrested this morning, and promptly released by the Patriots.
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Given his release, I think it's reasonable to expect he's not just getting hit with obstruction.
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Given his release, I think it's reasonable to expect he's not just getting hit with obstruction.
Picked up and handcuffed at home suggests the same. If it wasn't a serious charge, he'd be allowed to turn himself in.
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Picked up and handcuffed at home suggests the same. If it wasn't a serious charge, he'd be allowed to turn himself in.
Oh, I think that was more of a giant "fuck you" to his attorneys for putting everyone on blast yesterday.
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Given his release, I think it's reasonable to expect he's not just getting hit with obstruction.
Second degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
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Second degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
How is that different from first degree murder?
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How is that different from first degree murder?
Probably some difference in intent/premeditation.
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How is that different from first degree murder?
Celebrity discount.
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Probably some difference in intent/premeditation.
Wouldn't the conspiracy part be premeditation?
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Wouldn't the conspiracy part be premeditation?
Didn't he kill one guy and shoot another guy in the face who survived (allegedly)? I haven't been following this story very closely. Too much other big happenings in the country the last three days.
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Wouldn't the conspiracy part be premeditation?
Conspiracy can be after the fact, I think. I.e. the destruction of evidence and disposal of the body.
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Didn't he kill one guy and shoot another guy in the face who survived (allegedly)? I haven't been following this story very closely. Too much other big happenings in the country the last three days.
He's being sued for shooting a guy in the eye, which reminds me of Broadway Danny Rose:
Danny Rose: [asks about her ex-husband] What'd you do, you divorced him, or got a separation, or what?
Tina Vitale: Nah, some guy shot him in the eyes.
Danny Rose: Really? He's blind?
Tina Vitale: Dead.
Danny Rose: Dead. Of course, 'cause the bullets go right through.
Apparently not always.
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Hernandez arrest bodes well for Tim Tebow (http://i.imgur.com/GPOrARu.png)
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Conspiracy can be after the fact, I think. I.e. the destruction of evidence and disposal of the body.
Ok, that makes more sense if that's the case.
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Celebrity discount.
SFN
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How is that different from first degree murder?
I'm not speaking from any special knowledge, but I'd expect that there's an element of planning in 1st degree that's not there in 2d, but there's more nastiness and intent to carry out a deadly act than in manslaughter. I wouldn't expect a 2d degree charge to allow the death penalty, if it's a death penalty jurisdiction.
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I think that busting up a cell phone only temporarily helps one. I believe the call records can be subpoenaed. But the fact that he felt a need to destroy his phone and surveillance equipment is pretty damning. He ain't no good.
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I think that busting up a cell phone only temporarily helps one. I believe the call records can be subpoenaed. But the fact that he felt a need to destroy his phone and surveillance equipment is pretty damning. He ain't no good.
Damning, but makes it a lot harder to prove what happened. He has the same lawyer as Ray Lewis, and things worked out for Ray because no one said anything and all the prosecutors had was a whole helping of obstruction of justice.
See a pattern emerging...?
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Pure gold (https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/statuses/349982074347851777) from the always funny (and rarely coherent) @PFTCommenter:
Great point from CSNNE analyst: Will Hernandez and his fiancee get married quickly so that she can't be compelled to testify against him?
.@ProFootballTalk if they do it points to motive that Hernandez was playing FMK w/ his gf, her sister,and Lloyd that nite,,what a competitor
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Second degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
ESPN reports it's first degree murder, which means possible life without parole, if convicted.
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ESPN reports it's first degree murder, which means possible life without parole, if convicted.
OK, because I didn't quite understand how driving a guy out to an industrial park, during which time he makes sure to text the names of those he's with because he thinks he's about to die, and then putting 3 in his back and 2 in his head, was not premeditated.
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... during which time he makes sure to text the names of those he's with because he thinks he's about to die ...
I hadn't heard that part.
ETA: And is Hernandez really so stupid that he'd let the guy keep his phone? Never mind, don't answer that.
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Apparently there's some question as to whether it will meet the "dying words" hearsay exemption, but I'm no lawyer. My thought is that an electronic transmission is evidence, not testimony.
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My thought is that an electronic transmission is evidence, not testimony.
If it's good enough for the NSA, it ought to be good enough for the courts.
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If it's good enough for the NSA, it ought to be good enough for the courts.
SFATOWL
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If it's good enough for the NSA, it ought to be good enough for the courts.
Maybe somebody there can remind me what my WordPress password is.
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Apparently there's some question as to whether it will meet the "dying words" hearsay exemption, but I'm no lawyer. My thought is that an electronic transmission is evidence, not testimony.
Hearsay includes any statement from an out of court declarant, regardless of written or spoken.
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OK, because I didn't quite understand how driving a guy out to an industrial park, during which time he makes sure to text the names of those he's with because he thinks he's about to die, and then putting 3 in his back and 2 in his head, was not premeditated.
Yeah, that seems pretty premeditated to me.
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Hernandez now being investigated for 2012 double murder. (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing)
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Hernandez now being investigated for 2012 double murder. (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing)
Next they'll tell us it was actually Hernandez who bombed the Boston Marathon.
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holy shit. is all of this gang related?
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holy shit. is all of this gang related?
Hernandez dropped from 1st to 4th round because of "character issues", including reported gang connections.
The murder victim was dating the sister of Aaron's fiancee. It's not hard to surmise that the victim did something to his girlfriend that Hernandez deemed worthy of execution.
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Hernandez dropped from 1st to 4th round because of "character issues", including reported gang connections.
The murder victim was dating the sister of Aaron's fiancee. It's not hard to surmise that the victim did something to his girlfriend that Hernandez deemed worthy of execution.
And planned for for at least 3 days.
If the case is close to what has been reported, his only hope is an incompetent jury.
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If the case is close to what has been reported, his only hope is an incompetent jury.
So, the OJ parallels continue.
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So, the OJ parallels continue.
OJ jury wasn't incompetent, just uniformed. The Casey Anthony jury was incompetent.
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OJ jury wasn't incompetent, just uniformed. The Casey Anthony jury was incompetent.
That's fair. The OJ prosecutors and judge were incompetent.
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I just bothered to read the timeline. Not a smart guy.
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That's fair. The OJ prosecutors and judge were incompetent.
Bingo.
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The murder victim was dating the sister of Aaron's fiancee. It's not hard to surmise that the victim did something to his girlfriend that Hernandez deemed worthy of execution.
Boston Globe saying my speculation may be off base:
The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying.
“The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said. (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/6PSjR68RBpguwcxmlXe2oM/story.html)
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Boston Globe saying my speculation may be off base:
The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying.
“The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said. (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/6PSjR68RBpguwcxmlXe2oM/story.html)
The Bleacherap timeline says that Hernandez was complaining that he couldn't trust anyone any more. This seems to feed into the above narrative.
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And now the cops have nabbed one of Hernandez' buddies (http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-arrests-man-case-ex-nfl-player-facing-150026469.html), who was on the lam.
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Hernandez dropped from 1st to 4th round because of "character issues", including reported gang connections.
The murder victim was dating the sister of Aaron's fiancee. It's not hard to surmise that the victim did something to his girlfriend that Hernandez deemed worthy of execution.
If I understand this correctly, what you are telling me is that the Cowboys won't take much of a salary cap hit when Jerry Jones signs him?!?
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The Bleacherap timeline says that Hernandez was complaining that he couldn't trust anyone any more.
I imagine that eventually sets in after you kill someone. Or somethree.
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I imagine that eventually sets in after you kill someone. Or somethree.
To date...
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Hernandez had a "secret" apartment (http://news.yahoo.com/cops-evidence-found-secret-hernandez-apartment-173857921.html), at which he seems to have stashed the clothes he was wearing on the night of the murder. Oh, and it also contained a shit-ton of ammo. Cops think the clothes will help them put him at the scene.
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Hernandez had a "secret" apartment (http://news.yahoo.com/cops-evidence-found-secret-hernandez-apartment-173857921.html), at which he seems to have stashed the clothes he was wearing on the night of the murder. Oh, and it also contained a shit-ton of ammo. Cops think the clothes will help them put him at the scene.
Also in that article:
And over the weekend, a man who is reportedly married to Hernandez's cousin was killed in a car crash in Connecticut. Thaddeus Singleton III, 33, of Bristol, was driving the car when it went airborne early Sunday and crashed into the wall of the Farmington Country Club.