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Title: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 11:51:05 am
Your lineups:

Astros

2BJose Altuve
SSMarwin Gonzalez
1BSteve Pearce
LFJustin Maxwell
3BScott Moore
RFBen Francisco
CJason Castro
CFBrandon Barnes
PBud Norris

FTC

RF David DeJesus 
3B Josh Vitters 
1B Anthony Rizzo 
LF Alfonso Soriano 
SS Starlin Castro 
2B Luis Valbuena 
CF Brett Jackson 
C Steve Clevenger 
P Justin Germano
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 01:06:29 pm
Beautiful day for a ballgame!!
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 01:14:25 pm
Beautiful day for a ballgame!!

I take it that you are in attendance today? The national anthem was a little shaky.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 01:35:25 pm
I misread the title as "Manatee".  My subconscious was itching for a "oh the huge manatee" joke.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: The Seeker on August 15, 2012, 01:39:03 pm
rather frustrating that Mills continues to tinker with the lineup.  F-Mart and Wallace deserve the start again today.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 01:39:10 pm
I take it that you are in attendance today? The national anthem was a little shaky.

Yes sir.

There were Navy Leapfrog Paratroopers descending on to the field during the anthem. I think they told the vocalist to slow down so the last one carrying the American flag would be on the field when they finished.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 01:40:42 pm
I misread the title as "Manatee".  My subconscious was itching for a "oh the huge manatee" joke.

You wag.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 01:41:30 pm
Have had decent fans sitting by us until today. Obnoxious b next to me.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: chuck on August 15, 2012, 01:41:50 pm
That's one of my very favorite defensive plays.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 01:42:51 pm
rather frustrating that Mills continues to tinker with the lineup.  F-Mart and Wallace deserve the start again today.

It's his modus operandi. But I agree with you, since he also has demonstrated tendencies to go with the hot hand.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 01:44:26 pm
Yes sir.

There were Navy Leapfrog Paratroopers descending on to the field during the anthem. I think they told the vocalist to slow down so the last one carrying the American flag would be on the field when they finished.

He sounded like he was unsure of some of the lyrics and was shaky on a couple of the noes in an admittedly difficult song.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 01:44:29 pm
Oh yeah, FTCs.....
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: chuck on August 15, 2012, 01:44:43 pm
Doink.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: chuck on August 15, 2012, 01:45:31 pm
He sounded like he was unsure of some of the lyrics and was shaky on a couple of the noes in an admittedly difficult song.

I can imagine. We're pretty damn shaky with only one noe.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: The Seeker on August 15, 2012, 01:45:57 pm
Oh yeah, FTCs.....

FTC
Scott Moore Cub Killer
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Noe on August 15, 2012, 01:46:15 pm
It's his modus operandi. But I agree with you, since he also has demonstrated tendencies to go with the hot hand.

His boss said he doesn't believe in the "hot hand" theory to filing out the lineup card. Therein may lie the difference he has with Mills and why he'll probably replace him at season's end.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Noe on August 15, 2012, 01:47:23 pm
I can imagine. We're pretty damn shaky with only one noe.

Eggszactly!
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: BudGirl on August 15, 2012, 01:47:30 pm
rather frustrating that Mills continues to tinker with the lineup.  F-Mart and Wallace deserve the start again today.

I think Mills is gone at the end of the season.  From the NYT article on Brad Mills (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/sports/baseball/astros-get-hope-and-youth-from-new-owner-and-new-approach.html?_r=3&smid=tw-share) .

Quote
For one thing, Luhnow said, the notion that a player is hot or cold is largely a myth, and managers should recognize it.

“If you end up changing your strategy based on hot or cold tendencies, more often than not, you’re chasing your tail and you’re actually destroying value rather than sticking to what you know is right based off the data over a longer period of time,” Luhnow said. “It’s easy to say from up here, and it’s easy to prove from up here. But it’s a lot more difficult to implement down there.”
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 01:48:33 pm
He sounded like he was unsure of some of the lyrics and was shaky on a couple of the noes in an admittedly difficult song.

Buncha bombs in the air... gave proof to the night... that we still had a flag
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: The Seeker on August 15, 2012, 01:53:24 pm
I think Mills is gone at the end of the season.  From the NYT article on Brad Mills (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/sports/baseball/astros-get-hope-and-youth-from-new-owner-and-new-approach.html?_r=3&smid=tw-share) .


I feel it isn't even a hot/cold issue.  It's rewarding a young player by giving him/them consistent starts and instilling confidence.  It isn't even a L/R matchup issue with Fransisco in RF and Pearce @ 1B against a RHP.  Really confused why Wallace and F-Mart are on the major league club if aging AAAA players are getting starts over them.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 01:55:32 pm
I think Mills is gone at the end of the season.  From the NYT article on Brad Mills (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/sports/baseball/astros-get-hope-and-youth-from-new-owner-and-new-approach.html?_r=3&smid=tw-share) .


He's definitely a gone pecan at season's end. Another missed block by Castro.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Noe on August 15, 2012, 02:00:51 pm
I feel it isn't even a hot/cold issue.  It's rewarding a young player by giving him/them consistent starts and instilling confidence.  It isn't even a L/R matchup issue with Fransisco in RF and Pearce @ 1B against a RHP.  Really confused why Wallace and F-Mart are on the major league club if aging AAAA players are getting starts over them.

There is nothing really in syncopation with the duties of the manager ("win ballgames") and the organization ("rebuild farm, see who is major league material") at this point. Sometimes, the whole thing just looks like a major league tryout camp and the games are just test environments. I picture scribes filling out evals on players every game using a rating system. Prior to the game, the manager is told by said scribes that they'd like to see "x" player today. Is Mills in compliance or is this just Mills being Mills?

No one really knows for sure, but this isn't really about running a major league team on the field to win games. This organization pushed past that goal a while back.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 02:09:09 pm
What a f'in play.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:10:01 pm
The Melk man gets a 50 game suspension for testing positive for testosterone. Wow. What an idiot?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 15, 2012, 02:11:13 pm
The Melk man gets a 50 game suspension for testing positive for testosterone. Wow. What an idiot?

So basically you're telling me that Melky got Cabrera'd (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=114791.0)?!?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:12:48 pm
So basically you're telling me that Melky got Cabrera'd (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=114791.0)?!?

/thunderous applause
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:14:59 pm
So basically you're telling me that Melky got Cabrera'd (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=114791.0)?!?

In a manner of speaking, yes. Meanwhile, Bud throws a fucking cookie to DeJesus, who deposits in the seats to give the FTC a 2-1 lead. Bud's command is a little shaky again.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:16:16 pm
Bud's command is a little shaky again.

Only slightly less shocking than the Cabrera news.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:17:05 pm
JD to be interviewed for an inning on FTC television shortly.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: chuck on August 15, 2012, 02:18:03 pm
JD to be interviewed for an inning on FTC television shortly.

I thought he said he'd be at the Cubby Bear.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 15, 2012, 02:21:38 pm
Only slightly less shocking than the Cabrera news.

I'm not shocked that Bud allowed a walk and it came back to haunt him.  I am surprised, however, that it is possible to walk Alfonso Soriano...
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:22:57 pm
I'm not shocked that Bud allowed a walk and it came back to haunt him.  I am surprised, however, that it is possible to walk Alfonso Soriano...

Through the Astros, all things are possible.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:23:35 pm
Bud, how about you fucking get it together?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 02:25:29 pm
AirBud. Geez.....
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Matt on August 15, 2012, 02:26:47 pm
Someone is campaigning for a move to the bullpen...
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:28:38 pm
Someone is campaigning for a move to the bullpen...

To be replaced by our ample supply of MLB-ready starters at Oklahoma City??
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:31:36 pm
To be replaced by our ample supply of MLB-ready starters at Oklahoma City??

Bingo.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 15, 2012, 02:32:12 pm
Listening to JD being interviewed about just being JD is damn enjoyable!
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: chuck on August 15, 2012, 02:32:53 pm
Welp. I've got another half hour or so of this and then I watch an eagerly anticipated friendly between my Marea Roja and Portugal. This is the first time that Panama has risked life and limb traveling to a lawless place such as Faro, Portugal, and I am most anxious to see how my guys look against a decent European team.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: subnuclear on August 15, 2012, 02:33:32 pm
To be replaced by our ample supply of MLB-ready starters at Oklahoma City??

Isn't Abad being tried out as a starter?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:35:50 pm
Isn't Abad being tried out as a starter?

Could we just post pictures of starving children, or that Sarah Maclaughlin commercial, instead of making statements like this?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:36:10 pm
To be replaced by our ample supply of MLB-ready starters at Oklahoma City??
They'll just go toa 4-man3-man2-manEveryday Lucas Harrell, ladies and gentlemen!
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:39:22 pm
I'm really enjoying the JD interview. Bud's performance? Not so much, but it's my fault because I started Bud today.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:40:10 pm
Bud helps David Dejesus double his fucking home run total.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 02:41:59 pm
Bud helps David Dejesus double his fucking home run total.

After a walk, of course.

So, who here had Norris down as the worst starter on the team coming into the season?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:46:11 pm
After a walk, of course.

So, who here had Norris down as the worst starter on the team coming into the season?

Not I, sir. But I've favored a move to the bully for him unless and until he develops confidence in his changeup. In fact, in a rare moment of honesty, JD on the FTC telecast just said that Bud needs to develop changeup in order to be effective.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 02:50:28 pm
Excellent inning with JD unplugged (somewhat) on the FTC telecast. Brenly was only 1-12 against and Moreland was 2-8 with a dinger off of him. He talked about his last professional start against the FTC on a hot day back in 1994 when he lasted only into the second inning and was released the next day.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:53:43 pm
Excellent inning with JD unplugged (somewhat) on the FTC telecast. Brenly was only 1-12 against and Moreland was 2-8 with a dinger off of him. He talked about his last professional start against the FTC on a hot day back in 1994 when he lasted only into the second inning and was released the next day.
It was great hearing/seeing him in a slightly less formal mode.

By the way, I've heard JD say a number of times before that he thought Bud needs a change or other soft pitch to really succeed as a starter. Interesting that he mentioned a splitter as an alternative just now.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:56:31 pm
Fucking terrible AB by Fern-Mart there. Alright, I gotta get some shit done, folks. Hasta luego.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2012, 02:59:27 pm
Hang on, parting question... did the FTC TV guys just accuse Fick of being related to Robert Fick?!?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 03:03:04 pm
Hang on, parting question... did the FTC TV guys just accuse Fick of being related to Robert Fick?!?

I think so. Is that incorrect? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: The Seeker on August 15, 2012, 03:05:50 pm
I think so. Is that incorrect? I have no idea.

Can't be the case.  He didn't go by Bobbie Fick
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: subnuclear on August 15, 2012, 03:08:02 pm
Hang on, parting question... did the FTC TV guys just accuse Fick of being related to Robert Fick?!?

I'm not listening or watching the game, but Chuckie is nephew of Robert.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 03:30:36 pm
I'm not listening or watching the game, but Chuckie is nephew of Robert.

And he's the son of Cardinals longtime scout Chuck Fick, hence the name "Chuckie."
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: JaneDoe on August 15, 2012, 03:40:43 pm
WTF?
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 03:46:53 pm
It was great hearing/seeing him in a slightly less formal mode.

By the way, I've heard JD say a number of times before that he thought Bud needs a change or other soft pitch to really succeed as a starter. Interesting that he mentioned a splitter as an alternative just now.

I loved and used the forkball as one of my two key pitches, which to me is the exact same pitch as the "split finger fastball," although there are some who disagree with me. However, I've never bought the distinction, finding no differences. You hold the ball between your same two fingers and release it like a fastball, but it comes in about 5-10 (depending upon how hard you grip the ball) mph slower than the fastball. Mine looked just like a knuckleball but if it broke, only broke down, not unpredictably like a knuckler.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 04:00:46 pm
And I've forgotten who is supposed to recap today's shitfest? I just know that it isn't me, that RB has sundays, budgirl has mondays, Reuben has tuesdays and that NeilT has fridays. I guess that if I really want to know (Sphinx?), then I could check the schedule that budgirl so competently and completely created.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Bench on August 15, 2012, 04:00:58 pm
I recently moved to a more residential neighborhood in town.  I got a recommendation for a lawn guy, called him up and met him at the house the week before we were moving in.  He agreed to mow the lawn and do a bunch of other one time shit like removing limbs that were hanging over the driveway, pressure washing the back deck, removing a bunch of overgrown weeds that the previous residents let go.  I paid him cash, up front (yeah yeah, I know.  I have more faith in humanity then someone probably should), and he said he would take care of it on Thursday (two weeks ago from tomorrow). 

I get home from work that Thursday and the lawn had been mowed but none of the other stuff.  I don't think about it too much figuring he'll be back some time to take care of the rest and probably needs some equipment that's some place else.  Last week goes by and nothing has happened, and we're getting past the point where the lawn needs to be mowed again. I called the guy this Monday and told him I needed him to do the rest of the stuff I already paid him for and come mow the lawn again.  He apologized profusely and said he would be by today. 

This morning a team of mowers descends on the house, mowing the front and back of my house, a neighbor's house and two houses across the street.  Once again, none of the pressure washing, limb trimming, weed pulling stuff is done.  I leave for the office and this afternoon get a call saying that the guy I hired showed up to pressure wash, trim limbs and all that but he wants to know who the fuck has been mowing the lawn?  I have no idea who they are.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Ron Brand on August 15, 2012, 04:07:36 pm
And I've forgotten who is supposed to recap today's shitfest? I just know that it isn't me, that RB has sundays, budgirl has mondays, Reuben has tuesdays and that NeilT has fridays. I guess that if I really want to know (Sphinx?), then I could check the schedule that budgirl so competently and completely created.

Sphinx has today's recap.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Fredia on August 15, 2012, 04:09:47 pm
has anyone seen kathy yet
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: MusicMan on August 15, 2012, 04:29:01 pm
If anyone's in here... I strongly advise you to switch to SEA-TB
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2012, 04:49:27 pm
I'm watching, just saw him strike out the side again. He's got 10 strikeouts and is perfect through eight. He's featuring some nastiness with both his hammer and his changeup. I'm pulling for him.
Title: Re: Astros @ FTC 08/15/12 Matinee
Post by: 94CougarGrad on August 17, 2012, 12:46:06 pm
WTF?

What The Fick?