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Title: Who did not sign
Post by: chuckd on July 14, 2012, 06:50:54 pm
Besides Appel which players did not sign thru the 1st 2 to 3 rounds thxs
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: OregonStrosFan on July 14, 2012, 07:10:34 pm
Besides Appel which players did not sign thru the 1st 2 to 3 rounds thxs

1st - 3rd supp picks that didn't sign per Callis (BA LINK (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/07/2013-compensation-picks/)).  Additionally, here is a partial list of college seniors who haven't signed yet but were not impacted by the deadline (MLBTR LINK (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/draft-links-compensation-picks-seniors-yaz.html)).
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mr. Happy on July 14, 2012, 07:44:18 pm
Besides Appel which players did not sign thru the 1st 2 to 3 rounds thxs

I think that Boras steered Appel wrong. Boras better have Appel's arm insured for this last collegiate season, or he's going to look pretty bad to prospective draftees for that manuever.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: MusicMan on July 14, 2012, 08:00:16 pm
I think that Boras steered Appel wrong. Boras better have Appel's arm insured for this last collegiate season, or he's going to look pretty bad to prospective draftees for that manuever.

I imagine Boras responding in Lou Brown's voice.  "I'm deeply moved!"
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mr. Happy on July 14, 2012, 08:42:44 pm
I imagine Boras responding in Lou Brown's voice.  "I'm deeply moved!"

I'm sure that he's staying awake at night over what Mr. Happy thinks of him.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mike S. on July 15, 2012, 06:51:50 pm
I think that Boras steered Appel wrong. Boras better have Appel's arm insured for this last collegiate season, or he's going to look pretty bad to prospective draftees for that manuever.

I actually wonder how much of that decision was driven by Appel.  For all his shortcomings as an ethical person, which are numerous to my thinking, Boras is pretty sharp - sharp enough to understand the dynamics of MLB's new draft system and that by going back to Stanford, even in another subpar draft class, Appel's leverage is severely diminished.  Only thing I really see him gaining is more time to sign as a senior.  I'll admit, though, having more time like that is an area where Boras thrives.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mr. Happy on July 15, 2012, 09:08:28 pm
I actually wonder how much of that decision was driven by Appel.  For all his shortcomings as an ethical person, which are numerous to my thinking, Boras is pretty sharp - sharp enough to understand the dynamics of MLB's new draft system and that by going back to Stanford, even in another subpar draft class, Appel's leverage is severely diminished.  Only thing I really see him gaining is more time to sign as a senior.  I'll admit, though, having more time like that is an area where Boras thrives.

You may well be right, which would be a shame as I'm not as high on that kid as he is in himself (which generally is a good trait, but excessive ideas of personal value have brought down low many great people). I don't know enough about  how a draft looks, particularly a year from now, but I do know that the arm can a frighteningly fragile thing. One misstep, even a freak accident, and the cliff of no payday happens.

He's also got the risk of really putting himself under a lot of self-induced pressure next season to perform at a high level. He may not handle that additional pressure well and could crater under its weight. There's not a real significant difference between first round first pick slot money (assuming that he gets picked there) a year from now and slot money for his pick which was money in the bank right now. I hope that it works out for him, but I'm fearful that it won't.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Reuben on July 15, 2012, 09:57:05 pm
I actually wonder how much of that decision was driven by Appel.  For all his shortcomings as an ethical person, which are numerous to my thinking, Boras is pretty sharp - sharp enough to understand the dynamics of MLB's new draft system and that by going back to Stanford, even in another subpar draft class, Appel's leverage is severely diminished.  Only thing I really see him gaining is more time to sign as a senior.  I'll admit, though, having more time like that is an area where Boras thrives.
Ask Ryan Madson if Bora$$ occasionally steers his clients astray.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Fynn on July 16, 2012, 12:29:31 am
2013 should be interesting for Appel.  I think most clubs won't touch him in the first round regardless of how well he plays in his senior year.  Wouldn't be surprised if he has to wait until the second round, and then it will get really interesting.
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mike S. on July 17, 2012, 01:19:14 am
You may well be right, which would be a shame as I'm not as high on that kid as he is in himself (which generally is a good trait, but excessive ideas of personal value have brought down low many great people). I don't know enough about  how a draft looks, particularly a year from now, but I do know that the arm can a frighteningly fragile thing. One misstep, even a freak accident, and the cliff of no payday happens.

He's also got the risk of really putting himself under a lot of self-induced pressure next season to perform at a high level. He may not handle that additional pressure well and could crater under its weight. There's not a real significant difference between first round first pick slot money (assuming that he gets picked there) a year from now and slot money for his pick which was money in the bank right now. I hope that it works out for him, but I'm fearful that it won't.

I actually wasn't nearly as down on him as others around here, for whatever that's worth, and certainly wouldn't mind seeing him in the Astros organization if it comes to that next year.  That said, I have no idea what goes through the mind of an elite athlete, let alone one in his early twenties.  For the record, I had no idea what I was doing when I was his age (still don't) and despite any illusions of athletic talent I thought I possessed I was nowhere close to being blessed with Mr. Appel's gifts. 

It's an interesting thought about the self-induced pressure, though.  This really is the proverbial make or break without putting too much of a fine point on the situation.  Only name off the top of my head who dramatically improved his draft situation by going back for his senior year and still making it to the Majors with any degree of success is Khalil Greene.   
Title: Re: Who did not sign
Post by: Mike S. on July 17, 2012, 01:22:11 am
Ask Ryan Madson if Bora$$ occasionally steers his clients astray.

Very true.  But, how many of these guys think/expect they're situation will be the next Alex Rodriguez or Mark Teixeira, where Boras plays the ultimate conjurer contriving something out of seemingly nothing?