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According to a tweet from Jon Morosi, approximately 4% of current big league ball players have graduated from college. Apparently, Curtis Granderson just did, so Morosi just did a story on Granderson and this issue for Fox Sports.
I was curious about how the NFL graduation rates compared and found a 1986 Dallas Times Herald study that reflected a 41% graduation rate among active NFL players in 1985 at the start of pre-season training camp. I wondered how that percentage has fared since then. In 2004, a league spokesman said that 46% of active players had graduated from college.
I understand that baseball would be significantly lower. I speculate that the reasons include players coming into the game straight from high school, the length of the season as well as the significant percentage of foreign born players. However, I was a bit surprised that it was only 4%.
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According to a tweet from Jon Morosi, approximately 4% of current big league ball players have graduated from college. Apparently, Curtis Granderson just did, so Morosi just did a story on Granderson and this issue for Fox Sports.
I was curious about how the NFL graduation rates compared and found a 1986 Dallas Times Herald study that reflected a 41% graduation rate among active NFL players in 1985 at the start of pre-season training camp. I wondered how that percentage has fared since then. In 2004, a league spokesman said that 46% of active players had graduated from college.
I understand that baseball would be significantly lower. I speculate that the reasons include players coming into the game straight from high school, the length of the season as well as the significant percentage of foreign born players. However, I was a bit surprised that it was only 4%.
What's the difference between the % of NFL players and MLB players that attend college at all?
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Not many foreign players in NFL. Also, you need to be bigger and stronger to play in the NFL, so it helps to be a little older.
The number you want to compare is the graduation rate of scholarship baseball players and scholarship football players.
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Not many foreign players in NFL. Also, you need to be bigger and stronger to play in the NFL, so it helps to be a little older.
The number you want to compare is the graduation rate of scholarship baseball players and scholarship football players.
Also, nearly every football player is drafted out of college. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fig newtons.
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Also, nearly every football player is drafted out of college. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fig newtons.
I didn't mean to compare the two sports because of the obvious differences between the two. I just was taken aback a little by the low percentage of baseball players who are college graduates and became curious as to the percentage of NFL college graduates. I agree with your assessment though; it's apples and fig newtons.
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I didn't mean to compare the two sports because of the obvious differences between the two. I just was taken aback a little by the low percentage of baseball players who are college graduates and became curious as to the percentage of NFL college graduates. I agree with your assessment though; it's apples and fig newtons.
I understand. It's always fun to learn new facts.
I wonder what the answer to subnuclear's question is. A brief googling didn't reveal anything.
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I understand. It's always fun to learn new facts.
I wonder what the answer to subnuclear's question is. A brief googling didn't reveal anything.
I am wondering the exact same thing, counselor.
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NCAA has a very nice database here (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/newmedia/public/rates/index.html).
For Div. I Men's Baseball, Graduation Rate for 2001-2004 was 72%.
For Div. I Men's football, Graduation Rate for 2001-2004 was 67% (FBS), 66% (FCS). (I have no idea what FBS and FCS stand for).
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NCAA has a very nice database here (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/newmedia/public/rates/index.html).
For Div. I Men's Baseball, Graduation Rate for 2001-2004 was 72%.
For Div. I Men's football, Graduation Rate for 2001-2004 was 67% (FBS), 66% (FCS). (I have no idea what FBS and FCS stand for).
Interesting. Thanks.
FBS and FCS is what used to be called Div. 1 and Div. 2 (or maybe 1A?).
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Not surprised at all by 4%. If you make 400k a year minimum, what do you need a degree for?
Plus the NFL has no minor league system. You are vastly much better off playing on a college team than getting your arse kicked on a practice squad.
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FBS is Football Bowl Subdivision -- formerly Division IA -- season ends in bowls.
FCS is Football Championship Subdivision -- formerly Division IAA -- season ends in a playoff to a championship.
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Not surprised at all by 4%. If you make 400k a year minimum, what do you need a degree for?
Plus the NFL has no minor league system. You are vastly much better off playing on a college team than getting your arse kicked on a practice squad.
You need a degree for the 40-50 or so years of your life after baseball.
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You need a degree for the 40-50 or so years of your life after baseball.
4% of current big league ball players
not 4% of all people who ever played on a big league club. You don't have to be in your early 20s to get a degree.
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not 4% of all people who ever played on a big league club. You don't have to be in your early 20s to get a degree.
Ask anyone who has ever gone back to school. It's very hard to do. That's why I always advise people to gut it out and finish while they've got the education momentum and inertia.
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I wonder how many high school signees even negotiate for the MLB scholarship program (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/scholarship.jsp?content=guide)in their contract?
Most of what I hear from HS signees is "I weren't too good in school"
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Ask anyone who has ever gone back to school. It's very hard to do. That's why I always advise people to gut it out and finish while they've got the education momentum and inertia.
It is hard, but doable.
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Ask anyone who has ever gone back to school. It's very hard to do. That's why I always advise people to gut it out and finish while they've got the education momentum and inertia.
You are talking about big leaguers. You're either in your 30s and have finally made the club as a bench player, or are in your 20s and are expecting/hoping to make more cash in the next decade then you will ever need in your life.
Not to mention fame of being major leaguer which will open doors to jobs without that piece of paper.
Plus isn't their some sort of lifetime benefits with that union?
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It is hard, but doable.
I'm not saying that it's impossible. What I meant was that it is much harder to do than staying in school and finishing.
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Ask anyone who has ever gone back to school. It's very hard to do. That's why I always advise people to gut it out and finish while they've got the education momentum and inertia.
I was more motivated when I went back to college, and enjoyed it more.
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I was more motivated when I went back to college, and enjoyed it more.
I agree that maturity and motivation are positive factors, but "life" (children, a mortgage, etc.) often gets in the way of getting to go back to school.
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You are talking about big leaguers. You're either in your 30s and have finally made the club as a bench player, or are in your 20s and are expecting/hoping to make more cash in the next decade then you will ever need in your life.
Not to mention fame of being major leaguer which will open doors to jobs without that piece of paper.
Plus isn't their some sort of lifetime benefits with that union?
You seem focused just on the few professional ballplayers who even make it for one day to the show. What of all of the minor league washouts? I don't think that there are any "lifetime" benefits for those players. I'm not sure of what benefits there are to big leaguers, but I would wager a fair amount of money that one has to vest in something before those benefits kick in.
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I'm not saying that it's impossible. What I meant was that it is much harder to do than staying in school and finishing.
I'm just now graduating college this weekend and I just turned 31. Granted I started late and have been going part time while working so it has taken longer but the process has been well worth it.
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You seem focused just on the few professional ballplayers who even make it for one day to the show. What of all of the minor league washouts? I don't think that there are any "lifetime" benefits for those players. I'm not sure of what benefits there are to big leaguers, but I would wager a fair amount of money that one has to vest in something before those benefits kick in.
Completing a degree takes many more than 4 years when done part time. If you had some stats on how many big leaguers started working on a degree while in the minors and stopped, that might be worth something. Making it to the bigs is kind of like hitting the lottery. You usually change your plans when it happens.
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Look yp how many of the 4 percent are Stanford guys - I think its a shockingly high percentage
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Making it to the bigs is kind of like hitting the lottery. You usually change your plans when it happens.
Bingo. This is my point. Rational people, elected officials aside, don't plan their finances as if they're going to win the lottery. They keep plan B right there at the fore.
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It is hard, but doable.
After working full time at a real job for a few years and then going back to school, I think that most people would say that school is lke being on an extended vacation.
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Just a third (but could be going up)
http://mobile.ruleoftree.com/2011/2/23/2010896/former-stanford-baseball-stars-finish-what-they-start
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I'm just now graduating college this weekend and I just turned 31. Granted I started late and have been going part time while working so it has taken longer but the process has been well worth it.
Congrats on the great accomplishment. I hope you are rewarded for your persistence.
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Just a third (but could be going up)
http://mobile.ruleoftree.com/2011/2/23/2010896/former-stanford-baseball-stars-finish-what-they-start
You'd think those eggheads could get a real job and stop playing games.
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Congrats on the great accomplishment. I hope you are rewarded for your persistence.
I have finely tuned antennae, as many have noticed, and one of the things that makes them twitch is language. Like 'veggies,' I think the word 'congratulations' is disappearing in favor of 'congrats.'
My dotage is lubricated by tears.
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After working full time at a real job for a few years and then going back to school, I think that most people would say that school is like being on an extended vacation.
Agreed.
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Congrats on the great accomplishment. I hope you are rewarded for your persistence.
Thanks! I think I want a Masters now.
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After working full time at a real job for a few years and then going back to school, I think that most people would say that school is lke being on an extended vacation.
I guess it depends on the person. My mom got an accounting degree and a CPA in her 40s. She had been a bookkeeper and a stay-at-home mom, so going back to school (and passing the CPA) was very different.
I took a couple of bio courses at a community college a few years ago and it certainly didn't feel like a vacation.
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I'm just now graduating college this weekend and I just turned 31. Granted I started late and have been going part time while working so it has taken longer but the process has been well worth it.
Congrats!!!!
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I was more motivated when I went back to college, and enjoyed it more.
You get older. They stayed the same age.
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I guess it depends on the person. My mom got an accounting degree and a CPA in her 40s. She had been a bookkeeper and a stay-at-home mom, so going back to school (and passing the CPA) was very different.
I took a couple of bio courses at a community college a few years ago and it certainly didn't feel like a vacation.
Going back to school is scaring me. I have a completely different perspective now than I did at 18. I think I'll have a completely different perspective than a majority of my future classmates.
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I have finely tuned antennae, as many have noticed, and one of the things that makes them twitch is language. Like 'veggies,' I think the word 'congratulations' is disappearing in favor of 'congrats.'
People will be shocked to learn that this irks me too.
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Going back to school is scaring me. I have a completely different perspective now than I did at 18. I think I'll have a completely different perspective than a majority of my future classmates.
Good luck! My mother said the other students always thought she was cool. I would be surprised if there aren't more people going back to school these days.
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You get older. They stayed the same age.
True.
It might have helped that my teachers knew I helped process their paychecks. Working IT at a university.... well....
"Get off my lawn!" worked on a few of the younger instructors, too.
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I have finely tuned antennae, as many have noticed, and one of the things that makes them twitch is language. Like 'veggies,' I think the word 'congratulations' is disappearing in favor of 'congrats.'
probs
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People will be shocked to learn that this irks me too.
'kay... lesson learned! Late!
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People will be shocked to learn that this irks me too.
What about thanks instead of thank you?
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I have finely tuned antennae, as many have noticed, and one of the things that makes them twitch is language. Like 'veggies,' I think the word 'congratulations' is disappearing in favor of 'congrats.'
How about "veggie-weggies"?
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Going back to school is scaring me. I have a completely different perspective now than I did at 18. I think I'll have a completely different perspective than a majority of my future classmates.
Most of my classes featured a few older students in their 40's and sometimes 50's. It seems pretty common nowadays. I look much younger than I am so most people thought I was their age.
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What about thanks instead of thank you?
You may use 'thanks' rather than 'thank you.' I appreciate your asking.
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You may use 'thanks' rather than 'thank you.' I appreciate your asking.
n e time.
In an informal setting I use 'congrats' and 'thanks' but in a formal setting, I use 'congratulations' and 'thank you.' I consider SnS an informal setting.
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n e time.
In an informal setting I use 'congrats' and 'thanks' but in a formal setting, I use 'congratulations' and 'thank you.' I consider SnS an informal setting.
Props! (oops, sorry)
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probs
No doy.
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How about "veggie-weggies"?
Ice tea.
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People will be shocked to learn that this irks me too.
Say it isn't so!!!
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Say it isn't so!!!
There are a couple of these things that really get under my skin. But I was disconcerted recently to discover that my brother is well ahead of me on this. It's disconcerting because he is steadily losing his mind and I would like to think that this contraction/abbreviation aversion is unrelated.
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There are a couple of these things that really get under my skin. But I was disconcerted recently to discover that my brother is well ahead of me on this. It's disconcerting because he is steadily losing his mind and I would like to think that this contraction/abbreviation aversion is unrelated.
I prefer to believe that the recognizance of the acceleration of Newspeak is not related to madness. Believing that you can do something about it might be.
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I prefer to believe that the recognizance of the acceleration of Newspeak is not related to madness. Believing that you can do something about it might be.
I blame some of it on twitter and some on the fact that spelling proficiency is on a rapid descent.
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Ice tea.
Would that be sweet tea or unsweet tea?!?
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I prefer to believe that the recognizance of the acceleration of Newspeak is not related to madness. Believing that you can do something about it might be.
Well, there you have it. My brother is forever railing on people about this, chiefly our poor mother. I tend to suffer silently.
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No doy.
Whatevs.
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Whatevs.
U FOO.
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I'm just now graduating college this weekend and I just turned 31. Granted I started late and have been going part time while working so it has taken longer but the process has been well worth it.
Congratulations! I didn't get my BA until I was 33. I got my MA at 37.
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I'm confused by this new-speak, should I call these things that make me see things bigger and less blurry, my eyeglasses or spectacles?
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Ice tea.
Ice cream
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n e time.
In an informal setting I use 'congrats' and 'thanks' but in a formal setting, I use 'congratulations' and 'thank you.' I consider SnS an informal setting.
"Thanks" is an actual word (a plural noun) not a shortened version of a word, like "veggie" or "congrats". It's perfectly acceptable to use "thanks".
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"Thanks" is an actual word (a plural noun) not a shortened version of a word, like "veggie" or "congrats". It's perfectly acceptable to use "thanks".
So contracting phrases is fine, just not words. Gotcha.
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I'm confused by this new-speak, should I call these things that make me see things bigger and less blurry, my eyeglasses or spectacles?
They are "cheaters."
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So contracting phrases is fine, just not words. Gotcha.
Contracting words is fine, but a delicate process. Making up words is never acceptable, Mr. President.
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Contracting words is fine, but a delicate process. Making up words is never acceptable, Mr. President.
Shakespeare's ouvre would be wildly different if he were not allowed to make up words or phrases. Hoisted on your own petard, one might say.
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Shakespeare's ouvre would be wildly different if he were not allowed to make up words or phrases. Hoisted on your own petard, one might say.
The phrase actually is hoisted by your own petard, whjch is aa catapult.
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The phrase actually is hoisted by your own petard, whjch is aa catapult.
From Wikipedia, which may or may not be right:
A petard was a small bomb used to blow up gates and walls when breaching fortifications. The term has a French origin and dates back to the sixteenth century.[1] In a typical implementation, it was commonly either a conical or rectangular metal object containing 2-3 kg (5 or 6 pounds) of gunpowder, activated with a slow match used as a fuse. . .
The word petard comes from the Middle French peter, to break wind, from pet expulsion of intestinal gas, from Latin peditum, from neuter of peditus, past participle of pedere, to break wind; akin to Greek bdein to break wind. (Merriam-Webster) Petard remains a French word meaning a firecracker today (in French slang, it means a handgun, or a marijuana cigarette).
The word remains in modern usage in the phrase hoist with one's own petard, which means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall into one's own trap," literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoist, or blown upward) by one's own bomb.
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From Wikipedia, which may or may not be right:
A petard was a small bomb used to blow up gates and walls when breaching fortifications. The term has a French origin and dates back to the sixteenth century.[1] In a typical implementation, it was commonly either a conical or rectangular metal object containing 2-3 kg (5 or 6 pounds) of gunpowder, activated with a slow match used as a fuse. . .
The word petard comes from the Middle French peter, to break wind, from pet expulsion of intestinal gas, from Latin peditum, from neuter of peditus, past participle of pedere, to break wind; akin to Greek bdein to break wind. (Merriam-Webster) Petard remains a French word meaning a firecracker today (in French slang, it means a handgun, or a marijuana cigarette).
The word remains in modern usage in the phrase hoist with one's own petard, which means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall into one's own trap," literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoist, or blown upward) by one's own bomb.
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Then I stand corrected. I should have looked that up and not relied upon that former teacher of mine for all these years. This is from another source:
pe·tard (p-tärd)
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1. A small bell-shaped bomb used to breach a gate or wall.
2. A loud firecracker.
[French pétard, from Old French, from peter, to break wind, from pet, a breaking of wind, from Latin pditum, from neuter past participle of pdere, to break wind; see pezd- in Indo-European roots.]
Word History: The French used pétard, "a loud discharge of intestinal gas," for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. "To be hoist by one's own petard," a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means "to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices." The French noun pet, "fart," developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, "fart."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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The famous French professional Flatulist (pro farter) Joseph Pujol went by the stage name Le Pétomane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane), which translates into fartomaniac.
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Then I stand corrected. I should have looked that up and not relied upon that former teacher of mine for all these years. This is from another source:
pe·tard (p-tärd)
n.
1. A small bell-shaped bomb used to breach a gate or wall.
2. A loud firecracker.
[French pétard, from Old French, from peter, to break wind, from pet, a breaking of wind, from Latin pditum, from neuter past participle of pdere, to break wind; see pezd- in Indo-European roots.]
Word History: The French used pétard, "a loud discharge of intestinal gas," for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. "To be hoist by one's own petard," a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means "to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices." The French noun pet, "fart," developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, "fart."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
I looked it up because an old teacher of mine told me it was a kind of spear.
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I looked it up because an old teacher of mine told me it was a kind of spear.
Then you were smarter than me, counselor, which doesn't surprise me too much.