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Title: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on April 30, 2012, 01:50:25 pm
ESPN 3! Nice.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 02:31:16 pm
I have no dog in this fight but it would be nice to have a different league champion.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 02:46:34 pm
Citeh with the first goal after playing the more attractive football towards the end of the first half.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on April 30, 2012, 02:47:32 pm
Citeh with the first goal after playing the more attractive football towards the end of the first half.

Agreed. Manchester City has played the better match than ManU. Methinks ManU was playing for the draw.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 02:52:00 pm
Agreed. Manchester City has played the better match than ManU. Methinks ManU was playing for the draw.

That's not too bright considering City is going to be throwing everything they have in there to win this.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on April 30, 2012, 02:55:08 pm
ESPN 3! Nice.

There's an app for that...
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 03:02:55 pm
There's an app for that...

Yep! An awesome one at that.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on April 30, 2012, 03:03:53 pm
There's an app for that...

Only if your provider supports it.  Which ATT does not.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on April 30, 2012, 03:09:50 pm
There's an app for that...

...that doesn't work if you're provider is Comcast.  :/
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 03:18:49 pm
I have no idea who the fuck this Tevez guy is though. He's quite the team player tonight.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on April 30, 2012, 04:13:43 pm
Only if your provider supports it.  Which ATT does not.

As I found out.  The app only works for limited TV providers, and fucking AT&T won't let me view it in the browser.

From all reports, it was a tense match, but crap.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on April 30, 2012, 04:18:10 pm
As I found out.  The app only works for limited TV providers, and fucking AT&T won't let me view it in the browser.

From all reports, it was a tense match, but crap.

Worked fine on my laptop browser.

Man U got totally outplayed.  Not one clean look.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on April 30, 2012, 04:18:53 pm
Hey kids, count the errors!

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RT @SportsCenter: Manchester City (@MCFC) wins 1st EPL title since 1968, defeats Man U 1-0
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on April 30, 2012, 04:26:42 pm
Worked fine on my laptop browser.

My company blocks sites with streaming media.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 04:44:08 pm
Hey kids, count the errors!


Lolz. Its funny when ESPN tries.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on April 30, 2012, 04:55:24 pm
Hey kids, count the errors!


Newcastle called and said "WTF?"
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 04:58:29 pm
Newcastle called and said "WTF?"

If Newcastle plays like they did this past weekend City will be holding the top spot.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on April 30, 2012, 05:53:55 pm
If Newcastle plays like they did this past weekend City will be holding the top spot.

[Fergie] Help me, Hatem Ben Arfa...you're my only hope! [/Fergie]
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: drew corleone on April 30, 2012, 06:03:52 pm
I decided to follow EPL last July, having no idea that City was the new Red Sox. But today was fun... watched it at Fado with a pretty balanced City-U crowd. If nothing else, an excuse to drink on a Monday afternoon is a good thing. Go Citeh!
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 06:53:19 pm
I decided to follow EPL last July, having no idea that City was the new Red Sox. But today was fun... watched it at Fado with a pretty balanced City-U crowd. If nothing else, an excuse to drink on a Monday afternoon is a good thing. Go Citeh!

Its amazing how many City fans appeared out of nowhere this season...
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: austro on April 30, 2012, 06:57:16 pm
Its amazing how many City fans appeared out of nowhere this season...

There's always been a pent-up anybody-but-ManU contingent. This year they finally got somebody who might do it.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on April 30, 2012, 06:59:05 pm
There's always been a pent-up anybody-but-ManU contingent. This year they finally got somebody who might do it.

Oh yeah of course, I don't mind it so much and I'm eternally entertained by Mario Balotelli so its all good.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on May 01, 2012, 09:09:25 am
There's always been a pent-up anybody-but-ManU contingent. This year they finally got somebody who might do it.

I'm in this camp because I still haven't settled on a side to adopt (although Clint Dempsey leads me to lean Fulham.)
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 01, 2012, 09:21:37 am
I'm in this camp because I still haven't settled on a side to adopt (although Clint Dempsey leads me to lean Fulham.)

Fulham's a good choice, IMHO.  Especially as, if you're ever in London, it's the cheapest EPL ticket around (on the assumption that QPR is going down and Crystal Palace ain't coming up any time soon).
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 01, 2012, 10:50:15 am
I'm in this camp because I still haven't settled on a side to adopt (although Clint Dempsey leads me to lean Fulham.)

Yeah I like Fulham too. They play some entertaining football but I wouldn't be surprised if Dempsey isn't long for that side. Some of the bigger clubs might be sniffing around him this summer.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: drew corleone on May 01, 2012, 11:39:27 am
I'm sure... they won the FA Cup last year and spent a bazillion dollars added players.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 13, 2012, 04:49:26 pm
Great comeback by Manchester City today. QPR was leading 2-1 after 90 minutes and lost 3-1 in extra time. QPR side had been facing relegation and after that ending they probably should have been.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Uncle Charlie on May 13, 2012, 10:32:02 pm
Yeah I like Fulham too. They play some entertaining football but I wouldn't be surprised if Dempsey isn't long for that side. Some of the bigger clubs might be sniffing around him this summer.

I'm a big Fulham supporter, although they were clearly overmatched by your Spurs today.  Not sure why jol started Frei, unless it was to get some experience.  Would have loved to see trotta out there.  Frei is just too small and green. He should have attacked the ailing right back to start the 2nd half, but pulled up twice.  Too bad Dempsey was hurt.

Still, happy with the Cottagers finish this year. I think you might be right about Dempsey.  If the rumors are right, and he's headed for the Gunners, that side will have a lethal attacking front.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 14, 2012, 07:14:33 am
Fuck Manchester United AND Manchester City. Hell I thought they were the same team anyway. I' m rooting for the Crystal Palace. I don't give a shit that they're in the bus league. Just wait til next year.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 14, 2012, 09:45:18 am
Great comeback by Manchester City today. QPR was leading 2-1 after 90 minutes and lost 3-1 in extra time. QPR side had been facing relegation and after that ending they probably should have been.

Man City won because Joey Barton should be in jail.

On the flip side, my Man Utd-supporting boss was bitching that Barton got hit before retaliating with his elbow - which is true.  Thus, the title was lost by Utd because referees are crap.  He didn't like it when I pointed out that they lost on goal difference, but Man City took 6 out of 6 point from them this year.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 14, 2012, 09:45:36 am
Fuck Manchester United AND Manchester City. Hell I thought they were the same team anyway. I' m rooting for the Crystal Palace. I don't give a shit that they're in the bus league. Just wait til next year.

My name is Limey, and I approve this message.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on May 14, 2012, 09:59:08 am
Why isn't Joey Barton in jail?
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 14, 2012, 10:38:59 am
Why isn't Joey Barton in jail?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: GreatBagwellsBeard on May 14, 2012, 10:49:48 am
Exactly.

In the clip I saw, it just looked like Barton elbowed the other guy in the back of the head without a ton of force.  In hockey, it would've been incidental contact.  Why the outrage?
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: HudsonHawk on May 14, 2012, 11:12:32 am
In the clip I saw, it just looked like Barton elbowed the other guy in the back of the head without a ton of force.  In hockey, it would've been incidental contact.  Why the outrage?

Because it's not hockey. It's soccer. Which means these guys have to squat to piss.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2012, 11:13:52 am
Why isn't Joey Barton in jail?

I'm pretty sure he has been before.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2012, 11:15:59 am
Because it's not hockey. It's soccer. Which means these guys have to squat to piss.

Hockey players in general are a bit crazier than most athletes.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2012, 11:17:31 am
I'm a big Fulham supporter, although they were clearly overmatched by your Spurs today.  Not sure why jol started Frei, unless it was to get some experience.  Would have loved to see trotta out there.  Frei is just too small and green. He should have attacked the ailing right back to start the 2nd half, but pulled up twice.  Too bad Dempsey was hurt.

Still, happy with the Cottagers finish this year. I think you might be right about Dempsey.  If the rumors are right, and he's headed for the Gunners, that side will have a lethal attacking front.

I was expecting more of a fight from Fulham but then saw Dempsey wasn't in the lineup. But yes Spurs are hurting at right back since Assou-Ekoto missed the last few games of the season and Danny Rose sucks.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 14, 2012, 11:24:42 am
I'm pretty sure he has been before.

Yep.  And if he wasn't somewhat able to kick a football, he'd be there still.  Like his brother (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anthony_Walker).
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 14, 2012, 11:33:28 am
Because it's not hockey. It's soccer. Which means these guys have to squat to piss.

Correct.

However, the ref was correct to issue the red despite the elbow being waved with all the force of a granny's hanky, because it's the intent, not the result, for which the punishment is issued.  Another truism of football is that you always get caught for retaliation, but (almost) never for instigating.

As an aside, the subsequent kick and headbutt from Barton, according to him, were at the behest of a teammate who suggested he try and get a Man City player sent off.  I don't give much of a shit about QPR, but the fact that they have Barton on their team, have made him their captain, and may have other squad members who share Barton's predilection for violence and cheating, makes me hope that they get shat on and relegated next season*.

* To be replaced by newly promoted Crystal Palace, of course.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on May 14, 2012, 11:35:29 am
Somewhat ironic that one of the Gallagher brothers of Oasis is a huge Manchester City supporter.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on May 14, 2012, 11:39:28 am
BTW - I miss being part of the Dynamo action this weekend in Houston. I know, comparing MSL action to Premiere League action is like comparing AA to the major leagues... but still. What I like most about the Dynamo right now is how intensely loyal and rabid the fans are getting for the squad. Does a heart good to see that sort of thing in futbol!
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2012, 12:27:09 pm
BTW - I miss being part of the Dynamo action this weekend in Houston. I know, comparing MSL action to Premiere League action is like comparing AA to the major leagues... but still. What I like most about the Dynamo right now is how intensely loyal and rabid the fans are getting for the squad. Does a heart good to see that sort of thing in futbol!

I think you gotta support the domestic league as much or more than the ones overseas even if the product isn't as quality. The sad thing is there are more Tottenham matches on TV in a season than Dynamo matches.  The new stadium looks great though and it sounds like they've found a place in Houston.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: drew corleone on May 15, 2012, 12:13:47 pm
This was my first season following EPL and it was a blast. I might as well give MLS a shot, too (definitely not expecting as much) and thinking of adding Bundesliga next season, though the lack of a US TV outlet may make it difficult.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Noe on May 15, 2012, 12:32:21 pm
This was my first season following EPL and it was a blast. I might as well give MLS a shot, too (definitely not expecting as much) and thinking of adding Bundesliga next season, though the lack of a US TV outlet may make it difficult.

I used to follow the Budesliga way back in the 80s when they had a weekend wrap-up show on, of all places, the local Houston PBS station. Bayern Munich became my team back then, even though now I could not tell you who plays for them or anything about them like I once could. This was after I spent some time in Mexico in the 70s and enjoyed going to the professional matches in Monterrey. Later, while watching the World Cup in the late 70s, I got hooked. My first real star that I loved following was Johan Cruyff of the Dutch National team. His mastery of the pass to set up scoring attempts was breath taking, a real wizard with the ball. He was the epitome of what a midfielder should be even though he was part of the revolution of "total football" (no one has a set position on the pitch, you move in as a striker if you have to and back as a defender if you have to).
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2012, 01:02:39 pm
This was my first season following EPL and it was a blast. I might as well give MLS a shot, too (definitely not expecting as much) and thinking of adding Bundesliga next season, though the lack of a US TV outlet may make it difficult.

ESPN3 shows Bundesliga games. If you have an Xbox there's an ESPN3 app on there for television viewing.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 15, 2012, 02:57:49 pm
I used to follow the Budesliga way back in the 80s when they had a weekend wrap-up show on, of all places, the local Houston PBS station. Bayern Munich became my team back then, even though now I could not tell you who plays for them or anything about them like I once could. This was after I spent some time in Mexico in the 70s and enjoyed going to the professional matches in Monterrey. Later, while watching the World Cup in the late 70s, I got hooked. My first real star that I loved following was Johan Cruyff of the Dutch National team. His mastery of the pass to set up scoring attempts was breath taking, a real wizard with the ball. He was the epitome of what a midfielder should be even though he was part of the revolution of "total football" (no one has a set position on the pitch, you move in as a striker if you have to and back as a defender if you have to).

As much as I wouldn't piss on Ronald Koeman if he was on fire, the Dutch were playing total football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK3RUt7BZWI) decades before Barca took up the mantle.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 15, 2012, 03:25:05 pm
As much as I wouldn't piss on Ronald Koeman if he was on fire, the Dutch were playing total football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK3RUt7BZWI) decades before Barca took up the mantle.

Because I'm bored...the backstory to the Ronald Koeman hatred:

In 1993, England were being coached by a talentless waster called Graham Failure Taylor, who had assembled a team of braindeads to help him make sure that England failed to qualify for the 1994 World Cup in the US.  The team's last hope of qualification was to go to Holland - who made it to the final that year - and beat them on their own soil.  It was a frenzied match but, with the game still goalless, David Platt was released on goal by a long ball and was cynically pulled down by Ronald Koeman about half a step outside the penalty area.  The official FIFA refereeing guidelines called for a straight red - but all Koeman got was a yellow.  England failed to capitalise from the free kick, Holland broke away and earned a free kick of their own as Jan Wouters was brought down just outside England's box.  Koeman stepped up and slotted the ball, with the aid of a deflection, into the England net.  Holland went on to win 2-0.

You can see that very exchange in real time here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37PIWoYsj00).  The first foul is only a few seconds into the clip.  This is from the amazing, fly-on-the-wall documentary "Do I Not Like That"*.

* So named after one of Taylor's nonsensical, in-game comments, the documentary was amazing because - while we'd all assumed that he didn't know what he was doing - this expose showed us exactly that and more.  His whole staff were clueless, as they sat there, game after game watching a talented squad flounder, having not one single coherent thought between them.  One episode, that would be hilarious if it wasn't so gut-wrenching, occurs later in the Holland game as Taylor prepares to introduce Nigel Clough - son of Brian, and a gifted and insightful player in his own right.  Taylor gives him a series of conflicting duties and, as Clough tries to clarify his role, Taylor's instructions just get more confused and confusing.  In the end, Clough just says "OK boss", takes up his customary left-side attacking position.  I believe this is also on the above clip  if you keep watching.  I can't.

OK, that's probably enough on this topic.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2012, 03:32:15 pm
In 1993, England were being coached by a talentless waster called Graham Failure Taylor

What's your opinion on the new England coach?
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 15, 2012, 03:44:04 pm
What's your opinion on the new England coach?

He used to play for Crystal Palace and teach at my school (both before my time), so I am biased.  But...I like the appointment.  He is a very good manager and I hope he has to ability to keep the arrogant overpaid crybaby fuckheads England players focused on the job at hand.  He has about 3 weeks before the first game though, so I doubt he will have enough time to put his stamp on the squad.

Interestingly, he is the only man ever appointed to manage the England team who has prior international management experience.  He has managed Switzerland and Finland previously and did fantastically well, taking the former from being rice paper to the #3 ranking in the World.  He also has done amazing work with Fulham and WBA.  Ignore the Liverpool mess - Kenny Dalglish improved results by a tiny margin despite having tens of millions of pounds to spend - money that was denied Hodgson.

He's very good.  If the players listen to him, it could be a fun time.  But of course they won't, because they're idiots savants, with the emphasis on idiots.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2012, 04:07:41 pm
He used to play for Crystal Palace and teach at my school (both before my time), so I am biased.  But...I like the appointment.  He is a very good manager and I hope he has to ability to keep the arrogant overpaid crybaby fuckheads England players focused on the job at hand.  He has about 3 weeks before the first game though, so I doubt he will have enough time to put his stamp on the squad.

Interestingly, he is the only man ever appointed to manage the England team who has prior international management experience.  He has managed Switzerland and Finland previously and did fantastically well, taking the former from being rice paper to the #3 ranking in the World.  He also has done amazing work with Fulham and WBA.  Ignore the Liverpool mess - Kenny Dalglish improved results by a tiny margin despite having tens of millions of pounds to spend - money that was denied Hodgson.

He's very good.  If the players listen to him, it could be a fun time.  But of course they won't, because they're idiots savants, with the emphasis on idiots.

I didn't know about his past International experience but I do like the football that WBA plays and how scrappy they are.  It'll be interesting to see who he picks for the team.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 15, 2012, 04:16:21 pm
I didn't know about his past International experience but I do like the football that WBA plays and how scrappy they are.  It'll be interesting to see who he picks for the team.

Yes.

I'm hoping that, for the first time in a very long time, the England national team play the England national game.  Ever since 1970, we have been trying to play the way they play, instead of making them play the way we play*.

* I don't mean kick-and-chase Wimbledon style.  But a high tempo, high pressure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0uIKjommQ), you fuckers don't get to catch your breath kind of game.  Giving good players time on the ball is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 15, 2012, 04:20:59 pm
Oh.  And he better fucking pick Paul Scholes.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2012, 04:52:21 pm
Oh.  And he better fucking pick Paul Scholes.

He needs Kyle Walker starting at right back as well.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 16, 2012, 09:47:04 am
He needs Kyle Walker starting at right back as well.

Neither he nor Scholes made the squad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/john-terry-england-euro-2012) nor the reserves list.  The strikers group look particularly weak, especially as Rooney is suspended for the first 2 games, but there's really not much else.  My dismay at Carroll's inclusion is tempered by the fact it came at Crouch's expense.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on May 16, 2012, 10:45:42 am
Neither he nor Scholes made the squad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/john-terry-england-euro-2012) nor the reserves list.  The strikers group look particularly weak, especially as Rooney is suspended for the first 2 games, but there's really not much else.  My dismay at Carroll's inclusion is tempered by the fact it came at Crouch's expense.

Don't worry about the fact that USA's keeper had more goals than one of your midfielders.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 16, 2012, 11:11:32 am
Neither he nor Scholes made the squad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/john-terry-england-euro-2012) nor the reserves list.  The strikers group look particularly weak, especially as Rooney is suspended for the first 2 games, but there's really not much else.  My dismay at Carroll's inclusion is tempered by the fact it came at Crouch's expense.

Yikes. I had no idea Kyle Walker broke his toe? Well shit. Stewart Downing?! Good lord.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Limey on May 16, 2012, 11:38:28 am
Yikes. I had no idea Kyle Walker broke his toe? Well shit. Stewart Downing?! Good lord.

Such is the dearth of English talent these days.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Uncle Charlie on May 16, 2012, 06:55:01 pm
Yikes. I had no idea Kyle Walker broke his toe? Well shit. Stewart Downing?! Good lord.

That's who I was talking about in the Fulham match on Sunday.  Despite walker not being able to move at all, Frei pulled up several times on him and passed away during the first 5 mins of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 17, 2012, 10:38:34 am
That's who I was talking about in the Fulham match on Sunday.  Despite walker not being able to move at all, Frei pulled up several times on him and passed away during the first 5 mins of the 2nd half.

To be fair he may not have known Walker had a broken toe. I didn't know and I have no idea when he broke it. It may have happened during the game at some point. Generally speaking you expect you won't be able to skin Kyle Walker very often when he's healthy.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Uncle Charlie on May 17, 2012, 10:05:42 pm
To be fair he may not have known Walker had a broken toe. I didn't know and I have no idea when he broke it. It may have happened during the game at some point. Generally speaking you expect you won't be able to skin Kyle Walker very often when he's healthy.

I'm not sure that anyone knew it was a broken toe, but it was clear he couldn't move well and that something was very wrong below the ankle.
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: MusicMan on May 17, 2012, 10:17:43 pm
Seriously, Fox?
Referring to a German stadium as a "fortress"?!

DON'T MENTION THE WAR!!!
Title: Re: Manchester City vs Manchester United
Post by: Matt on May 18, 2012, 01:33:03 am
Seriously, Fox?
Referring to a German stadium as a "fortress"?!

DON'T MENTION THE WAR!!!

Fox is so awful when it comes to their coverage of soccer. My favorite is when they have someone from the NFL point out the differences between the two sports.